Talib Grand Jury Has Ruled

May 26th, 2011

UPDATE of Wednesday post: Rick Stroud of the St. Pete Times is reporting Talib has been indicted. No surprise. Read below.

Joe called the good folks at the Dallas County Grand Jury office [Wednesday] afternoon and learned that Aqib Talib’s felony assault case went before the court and the court has ruled.

However (and Joe teased you a bit with the headline), the ruling will not be made public until late Friday morning, so Joe was told.

Don’t expect Joe to start banging the phones to be the first to break the result. Frankly, Joe isn’t that eager because Joe expects Talib to be indicted, which won’t really mean much.

As esteemed Dolman Law Group attorney Bryan Hannan educated JoeBucsFan.com readers earlier this month, a Grand Jury will indict a ham sandwich. All it means is the case will move a step further along.

Of course, if Talib is indicted, it becomes much more likely that a deal between Talib and the State will be struck, especially considering how flimsy the evidence appears to be against him.

Joe can’t help but wonder if/when Talib will come train with his fellow Buccaneers as the lockout drags on.

46 Responses to “Talib Grand Jury Has Ruled”

  1. Mauha Deeb Says:

    I’m thinking comeing to some of these session may uplift his image. Showing dedication to his job might show a sign of maturity to some.
    I personally wish he would go because it is great work for our receivers, who usually lose the battles against him. Not a knock on the receivers, but a compliment to his talent.

  2. Thomas 2.2 Says:

    An indictment is a big deal. It is a ruling by a fact finder that the evidence is enough that a reasonable jury could convict on. The evidence is stronger than flimsy and nobody knows what the ballistics and physical evidence establishes. That in conjunction with the victim’s testimony will allow Texas to take a strong position.
    Talib is facing incarceration. Remember plaxico is in jail for accidentally discharging a firearm. This is a serious charge and Texas will zealously prosecute. Dom better plan accordingly.

  3. Thomas 2.2 Says:

    Joe: an indictment doesnt increase the odds that the state will plea a charge down. Most states, like Florida, dont allow binding plea deals with regard to sentencing – that lies squarely within the province of the court to follow statutory sentencing guidelines which typically provide a range. The indictment is horrible news for Talib, he is facing prosecution by the state of texas for committing a felony that carries a penalty that may cost him freedom, career and his adult prime.

  4. MVPFreeman Says:

    JOE

    I, think in this case, the sandwich is not ham. Its bologna.

  5. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    Thomas,

    I think Joe’s point is that it is not easy as a prosecutor to get an indictment. I’m not a lawyer, but I have a few friends that are criminal lawyers, and they have confirmed that statement. Very rarely do you hear of a criminal case not getting an indictment according to them. As for comparing it to Plaxico, I’m not so sure about that. From what I have heard, they are much more strict about gun laws in New York versus Texas. From the evidence I have heard (which granted is probably not all of the evidence available), it seems like it is going to be very difficult to prove he was the one firing the weapon, especially since they didn’t test him for gun powder residue. It is basically going to come down to Billings word versus everyone else’s. That doesn’t seem to bode well for a conviction in my opinion. I hope I’m right. However, none of that matters to Goddell. I think the Bucs should be much more concerned about his ruling versus the jury in the criminal case. Is it just me, or is there something wrong with that statement? I’m really starting to despise the warden almost as much as Joe.

  6. Thomas 2.2 Says:

    Basically, you are correct. I am a lawyer, and have prosecuted albeit briefly. An indictment is a much lower standard than guilty verdict. A high percentage of indictment meet the evidentiary threshhold. However, Joe’s statement was confusing about the indictment leading to a plea. Those two events are not necessarily related, they are just procedural events. The plea decision comes later based on the weight of the evidence, much of which is developed after the grand jury’s decision re indictment.

  7. Joe Says:

    Talib is facing incarceration. Remember plaxico is in jail for accidentally discharging a firearm. This is a serious charge and Texas will zealously prosecute.

    Interesting points Thomas.

  8. Joe Says:

    I am a lawyer, and have prosecuted albeit briefly.

    Like standing at a fork in the road, Joe doesn’t know where to go.

  9. Thomas 2.2 Says:

    Choose the road less traveled.

  10. Vic Says:

    … From the firm Hate, Hallucination and Horsecrap

  11. Leighroy Says:

    What is so misleading? Joe says an indictment will move the case one step further, which DOES make it easier to break a deal. Pretty tough to make a deal if your suspect hasn’t been indicted…..

  12. gitarlvr Says:

    OMG!!!!!!! I had sworn off posting on these comments but this is just too rich. Now Thomass is a lawyer huh??? This is too much. Good thing I already finished my soda or it would be time for a new computer screen. Wow. Enjoy letting this inmate run the asylum Joe.

  13. admin Says:

    Joe here,

    @Thomas 2.2 – Let’s get real here. The only thing the cops might have on Talib is witness(es) saying he fired a gun, since there was no gun shot resdidue testing. … Talib left the scene and was interviewed long after. …Witnesseaccounts can be pretty flimsy, especially if there are witness accounts that run counter to each other. Joe reported here, after talking to Talib’s attorney, that Talib’s legal team says they interviewed nearly 20 people at the scene and none say Talib had a gun. If the state’s only witness is the guy Talib allegedly shot at, we all know that guy is a sleaze and not too credible.

    Talib in the eyes of Texas is pretty much a first time offender. Slapping a cabbie (misdemeanor) and jumping into and completing a diversion program in Pinellas is the equivalent of a bar fight. And Talib’s got a minor offense from high school on his record in Texas.

    Yes, once the indictment comes down, there’s a better chance that a deal might happen at any time, most likely being that the State agrees to a lesser charge (misdemeanor) and no jail and Talib goes on probation and off to court-ordered counseling. …Time will tell, but Joe will be stunned if a gun charge sticks here.

  14. MakoPSK Says:

    One small note to add here; NY state (and the City itself) have put an enormous amount of effort and money into enforcing their super-strict gun laws. Possession of an unlicensed firearm is one of the statewide No-No’s that is stressed to every resident. Texas…not so much.

    Plax and Talib are apples and oranges.

  15. Capt.Tim, the Humbled Says:

    So Thomas 2.2 and Eric are Lawyers? Hmmm. Just seems so coincidental. I also am brought to a crossroad. I can’t decide if this makes me think they are delusional, or if this just further confirms my opinion of lawyers!

    I have dealt with many lawyers in my time. They all seemed to possess better debating skills than our two frequent resident villains. Even the attorneys that I referred to as being on” The opposite side of the light” usually possessed formidable debating skills, which I would hesitate to challenge on this format.
    Our two Lil lads of darkness are frequently bested here, and sent off mumbling to themselves. . .

  16. dan Says:

    i vote his mom wises up and vouches for him never shooting, adding something to her own time, and he cooperates and testifies against her (with her wishes) she is already in big trouble with ‘felon in possesion’ and talib can buy her a nice house when she finally gets out, and supply her with steady cigs in the meantime… and the family seems to be loyal (jumping to the rescue of the sister) so i could see his mom doing this for her son. Just a thought

  17. Patrick Says:

    Well, I hope somehow everything works out with Talib and that he’ll be back with the team next year. But whatever happens (indicted or not indicted), at least we’ll know his fate before free agency starts so we can sign Asomougha if we have to.

  18. Thomas 2.2 Says:

    The job of Talib’s attorney is to present the facts in a light most favorable to the client and when speaking to media be mindful of your potential jury pool.

    I find it impossible to believe that all independent fact witnesses have said that Talib had no gun, that there is no physical evidence and the case has made it this far. I guarantee that the state will have a much stronger case than what was summarized by Talib’s attorney. There can be no plea deal until a charge, but an indictment doesnt speak to the strength or weakness of a case, discovery which follows does.

  19. RahWillBringBackRuud Says:

    I also am a lawyer.

    As well as BucYou, Guest#27, WeNeedDefense, WeGotDefense, Javier n Wimauma, et al… we all work at the same law firm.

    The voices can really be consolidated. There aren’t that many JBF commenters afterall.

    Go Bucs. :-)

  20. admin Says:

    Joe here,

    This has to qualify as the creepiest comment in history, outside of the hate mail Joe occasionally gets.

  21. Thomas 2.2 Says:

    I agree that the voices/comments on JBF are mostly consolidated, but I do acknowledge that this a bucs fanatical blog – a dose of reality now and again is good for you.

  22. Pete Dutcher Says:

    I wonder if Rick Stroud really has “sources” telling him this, or if he’s trying to make a guess (again) to out-scoop everyone.

  23. Thomas 2.2 Says:

    The max sentence is 20 years for this charge, I bellieve the lesser incuded offense is assault with a deadly weapon, also a felony. Uh oh.

  24. Pete Dutcher Says:

    btw…I don’t believe for a second that Thomas is a lawyer.

    For one thing, a person that holds that position NEVER refers to him or herself as a lawyer…they always use the term “attorney”.

    And for another, he just doesn’t have the maturity or intellect for it. If I’m wrong, I challenge him to prove it. Get my email off my website (click my name) and email me a link…and prove it’s you.

    If I’m convinced, I’ll say so.

  25. Joe Says:

    Pete Dutcher:

    btw…I don’t believe for a second that Thomas is a lawyer.

    For one thing, a person that holds that position NEVER refers to him or herself as a lawyer…they always use the term “attorney”.

    And for another, he just doesn’t have the maturity or intellect for it. If I’m wrong, I challenge him to prove it. Get my email off my website (click my name) and email me a link…and prove it’s you.

    If I’m convinced, I’ll say so.

    So you are suggestion that perhaps Thomas 2.2 may be playing liberties with the truth?

  26. Thomas 2.2 Says:

    Pete: I dont care what you believe. Your argument that lawyers call themselves attorneys is absurd, we all use the terms interchangeably. I have never mentioned my profession previuosly bc I didnt want it to color my commentary – but this discussion was mostly legal so I found it worthwhile to mention it. Based on the vitriol that I have heard from some of you I dont believe that it would be prudent to reveal to you my personal info Pete. I will not mention what I do again in football discussions, only legal ones where warranted.

  27. Atrain WD40 Says:

    Sound like a lawyer/Attorney so what the heck… I believe you Thomas

  28. OAR Says:

    Lawyers are the devil’s ministry.
    John Milton

  29. Capt.Tim, the Humbled Says:

    Thomas 2.2 inches- please , Buddy, DON’T reveal your “secret identity” to anyone on this site! I probably dislike you less than most. There are some here who would love to spend a Lil Butt kicking time with ya, and would pay for your info. So please, Please don’t get goaded into divulging your ID.

    I’d miss ya just for the laughs some of your comments give me!

  30. Thomas 2.2 Says:

    Tim: though I disagree with you, my tolerance for your opposing views has evolved as well. I just hope the season gets going bc I am anxious to see if these guys are contenders or pretenders.
    Honestly, freeman may just be good enough to nullify an otherwise bad team. To have any chance of proving me wrong, you better keep him healthy.

  31. Gary Says:

    Wow I can’t say I’m surprised Thomas is a lawyer. Why is it that him and eric are lawyers and both the biggest blind haters on this site? Interesting. Must have to do with the ability to twist and mangle the truth until it’s unrecognizable.

    Pete didn’t know you were an author. Pretty cool.

    While we are on occupations, capt Tim are you really a captain of a boat?

  32. Not A Rocket Surgeon Says:

    I’m a brain scientist.

  33. BigMacAttack Says:

    This Talib problem has a simple answer that everyone is forgetting about today. It is called the Nnamdi Clause and will solve everything that Talib does or doesn’t do.

  34. BigMacAttack Says:

    I’m actually Gerald Ford and played in Beverly Hills Cop twice, but my wife calls me Bob Villa.

  35. Capt.Tim, the Humbled Says:

    I had a boat until recently. But no, not that kinda Capt:)

  36. Capt.Tim, the Humbled Says:

    Although I often wish . . . .( cue the Lil river band- ” Cool Change”)

    If I could grant one wish, it would be that every man had a boat, and the time once in a while to sail it, with nothing more important than the wind direction on his mind.

    Those , my friends, are good days. Even lockouts tend to be forgotten for a brief time.

  37. OAR Says:

    BigMac
    LOL!!!

    CaptTim
    Amen! With that said, I wish you were a genie, so we could all get that one!

  38. Gary Says:

    Ah gotcha capt. It’s captain in the military sense. Maybe u can arrange a boot camp for Thomas!

  39. Pete Dutcher Says:

    Thomas 2.2 Says:

    May 26th, 2011 at 11:15 am
    Pete: I dont care what you believe. Your argument that lawyers call themselves attorneys is absurd, we all use the terms interchangeably. I have never mentioned my profession previuosly bc I didnt want it to color my commentary – but this discussion was mostly legal so I found it worthwhile to mention it. Based on the vitriol that I have heard from some of you I dont believe that it would be prudent to reveal to you my personal info Pete. I will not mention what I do again in football discussions, only legal ones where warranted.

    Thomas, as a “lawyer” you should know there are laws against harrassment. I would not give your info to anyone at all…and if you were to click my name, you’d see why. I would just say whether what you claim is true or not.

    Frankly, I don’t believe you are outside your teens either. I have to wonder how mature a person is that gets on a website like this and post nothing but negative smack.

    And, as you have seen, I’ve made a couple people mad at me on here…yet my real identity AND my website that contains personal information are a click away. I have never…NEVER been harrassed through it.

  40. Pete Dutcher Says:

    Capt.Tim, the Humbled Says:

    May 26th, 2011 at 1:05 pm
    Although I often wish . . . .( cue the Lil river band- ” Cool Change”)

    If I could grant one wish, it would be that every man had a boat, and the time once in a while to sail it, with nothing more important than the wind direction on his mind.

    Those , my friends, are good days. Even lockouts tend to be forgotten for a brief time.

    You, sir, just exposed yourself! You’ve got some skills in writing there, buddy!!

  41. Pete Dutcher Says:

    btw, if you really are current or former military, I regret every bad thing I’ve ever said to you ;)

  42. thomas 2.2 Says:

    Pete:
    You choose to only focus on the negative. When I defend Davin Joseph, BArrett Ruud, compliment Josh Freeman and Ronde, Dom and Olson – that gets ignored.

    It is my criticism of the three main subjects that you fixate on. I am not a Glazer fan, nor do I think Rah deserved this job (that was not my feeling originally just after the 2009 debacle and 2010 didn’t change anything for me). As for GMC, I did not and do think that he was worthy of the 3rd overall pick and I believe that his play proved that. So, when people to try to fanatically spin facts and history on those subjects, I weigh-in to share my differing perspective. It usually prompts entertaining debate, sometimes emotion enters the discussion.

    These entities are proovided for public consumption and analysis. It is not debatable that Josh Freeman looks to be a star. It is very much debatable if Rah or GMC will meet expectations. I was previously a Glazer fan but have grown exasperated by the change in how they fund this team since Manu and/or Malcolm becoming ill. I do not know if those things have a connection but I suspect one or both do.

    I have never and will never buy into the “build through the draft exclusively b.s.” Everybody builds through the draft, you are forced to. The idea is to do it well and supplement by other means. the only reason you wall off free agency for a period of time is because you don’t want to pay for it in addition to your draft picks.

  43. BigMacAttack Says:

    C’mon Pete, don’t start getting all warm and fuzzy on us now.

    I can think of better things to do than Boot Camp, with a BOOT and Thomas .

    Ooorrraaahhh!!!

    Go Lightningggggggggggg!!!!

  44. BucsnBeer Says:

    Couple shots at a woman beater… it’s a public service.

  45. Capt.Tim, the Humbled Says:

    Pete- I don’t recall any “bad words thrown my way, all though I am thick skinned. I have disagreed with you on some issues, but still respect you and your opinion.

    I am not currently in the Military. But I frequently work with them.

    The writing comes from the Band years! Which I miss as much as the Boat- aaah! good times!

  46. MVPFreeman Says:

    JOE

    Yeah, this is why im just going to rely on Pewter Report from now on. Thanks for increasing my blood pressure though!

 
 

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