Mike Williams Guarantees Playoffs

February 3rd, 2011

In a declaration sure to conjure memories of Broadway Joe Namath guaranteeing a Jets win before Super Bowl III, Bucs wide receiver Mike Williams is telling the world the Buccaneers are a lock for the playoffs in 2011.

Noted Bill Belichick admirer eye-RAH! Kaufman of The Tampa Tribune took notes while Williams spoke in Dallas.

“We’re a young team, but we’re guaranteeing the playoffs,” said Williams, who was a finalist for the Pepsi NFL Rookie of the Year award, won by Lions defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh. “And if we get in the playoffs, we know we can do some damage.”

So there you have it, Williams has planted a pewter and red flag in the sand. It’s playoffs for 2011! And he even said “we” are guaranteeing the playoffs, so Joe can surmise he’s not alone.

Joe’s glad the Bucs players see themselves as Super Bowl contender material.

Joe sincerely hopes Mark Dominik does everything possible this offseason to make the Bucs a Super Bowl team. No reason to be too patient when you’re 10-6 with plenty of weapons.

83 Responses to “Mike Williams Guarantees Playoffs”

  1. Ozzie the Sports JUnkie Says:

    Love that!! Bucs SHOULD make playoffs next year….Bucs showing some sack!!!

  2. Capt.Tim Says:

    I like it- and believe him! If Josh plays like he did this year, with a more experienced cast- absolutely! And I expect Josh to Play BETTER. Joe, totally agree . You build thru the draft, and maintain your level of excellence thru the draft. But once you have the key positions in place, you fill in gaps with Free agents. We didn’t draft Simeon Rice, we signed him, to add Heat to Sapp and Macfarland. Use that puck on a DE , but sign a great young FA also. DEs take about 3 years to mature. Give him time, while we are still trying to win a superBowl. A few other Spots could use a Vet, even if just for depth. The Glazers and Mark Dominick have said they are following the same plan that won the lost Superbowl. Then it’s “add FA” time. Largest, most talented Free agent class ever. And we have the most money to spend. Plan is working like a dream!

  3. Pete 422 Says:

    Good! I like the confidence Mike is showing. I agree with Ozzie (gotta love that name) and Capt. Tim. I feel like the offense is pretty set, but as we have all discussed at length is to shore up the D-line and linebackers.

  4. thomas 2.2 Says:

    First of all the Glazers didn’t implement the plan that started with drafting Lynch, Sapp Brooks etc – that was started by Wyche and the end of that regime. Dungy gets credit for developing the talent until Gru pushed them over the edge to Champions.

    Go back and look at the offense, mostly non-drafted vets: Brad, Key, Keenan, Pittman, Dilger, Christy and on and on. Did the Glazers develop the offense through: Reidel Anthony, Quez Green, Kenyatta etc – no. The defensive players identified by Wyche, Dungy etc are what established the defense, and then an offense of almost entirely non-drafted vets.

    Now for the prediction: Mike Williams probably didn’t predict that he would be kicked off his college team as a sophomore; quit as a junior and end up killing his draft stock – so I am not sure how credible of a prognosticator he is. But I will accept this flag in the ground:

    If they fail to make the playoffs again in 2011, for the third straight year under this regime, MAJOR changes must be in order (except for Freeman of course).

    I extend this challenge to you sheep: Missed playoffs again (or a Seattlee like playoff made) and you agree that this regime needs to go; playoffs and I will agree that it has succeeded. Nobody will accept b/c you all know that 2011 (if there is football) spells a telling year (probably 7-9).

    The best thing that can happen to Rah Rah is a lockout/strike. So, when they come back and miss the playoffs (he and you sheep) will blame it on the effect of the labor impasse causing missed practice time etc.

    BTW – Did that article say that Suh was rookie of the year? Interesting. What was GMC rookie of? The team? No – there were three or four rookies more impactful including an UFA. How about the defense? Nope. Cody Grimm to name others was way better. So what awards did the “face of the defense” win? crickets . . .

  5. Capt.Tim Says:

    Um, didn’t read your post Thomas. Mostly because you are an idiot. But still feel confident calling you an pathetic Gay Ass. Go speed your sewage elsewhere.

    Look, Capt, you can’t start insulting people, especially when you claimm you don’t even read their posts. Please. —Joe

  6. Jesse j Says:

    Where was this d bag Thomas during the season. You come around when there’s nothing but talk and speculation. When history proves to repeat itself you’ll disappear again, oh say week three. Can’t wait personally.

  7. Joke Says:

    Like the confidence. Like that he’s talking “we” and “team” (unlike prima donna #1 WRs). Like Mike Williams.

  8. thomas 2.2 Says:

    FYI – jesse: I was around all season and before. Including the live chats during the games.

    Never heard from you before. History did repeat itself – the team missed the playoffs again and finished third in the division (that was an improvement from last the yeat before). The team is 13-19 under this regime, I wouldnt brag about that history.

  9. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    I didn’t read his post either Captain. I’m no longer in favor of wasting my time. I suggest the same for everyone else. Damn, I feel smarter already.

  10. Brad Says:

    I didn’t read the idiots post either but I’m sure he mentioned sheep more than once. I’m guessing he spends many a night keeping sheep company and I’m not referring to counting them.

  11. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    You guys don’t even need to read his posts, they ALL say the following:

    1. Raheem is not a credible NFL coach. He is blamed for us coming in 3rd place, the blackouts, all of our player arrests, the lockout, global warming, the economy, the icy weather in Dallas, AT&T’s crappy service, and 24 being cancelled. He is also a terrible defensive coordinator, their defense was horrible.

    2. The Glazers are terrible owners. Malcolm was good, he got sick, now the kids run it, and they have no idea what they are doing. They only care about making money, and have no desire to win championships.

    3. The Bucs won’t make the playoffs because their schedule is no longer easy. They need to fire Raheem and Dominik and start all over. The only reason we were 10-6 is because of our soft schedule and Freeman. Raheem had nothing to do with it, it was all Olsen. In fact, Raheem doesn’t even get credit for drafting Freeman.

  12. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    Let me know if Thomass ever has a post that doesn’t fall within those parameters.

  13. McBuc Says:

    Hawaiian…Priceless!

  14. admin Says:

    Joe here,

    Look, Joe had to delete posts that were insulting Thomas in ugly ways. No place for that. Feel free to hate the guy, but there is a line.

  15. Valdez47 Says:

    My bad Joe.

  16. Joe Says:

    BTW – Did that article say that Suh was rookie of the year? Interesting. What was GMC rookie of? The team? No – there were three or four rookies more impactful including an UFA. How about the defense? Nope. Cody Grimm to name others was way better. So what awards did the “face of the defense” win? crickets.

    Thomas:

    Understand you have a bug up your arse about GMC, but feel free to explain what Dominik was supposed to do? The Lambs weren’t going to trade their pick, the Lions weren’t going to trade their pick. So exactly how was Dominik to land Suh, have someone kidnap Billy Devaney and Marty Mayhew and shoot them up with heroin against their will? And if those two guys were going to trade their picks, the ransom likely would have meant no Mike Williams and no Arrelious Benn among many other high picks.

    Of course, a logical answer to that question doesn’t fit your narrative so Joe isn’t expecting an answer.

    Let me guess, your answer is to hire Bill Parcells? Right. He’ll fix everything. Just like he did the Cowboys, Jets and Dolphins.

    I mean, b!tching about how the Bucs don’t have Suh is like b!tching about Truman dropping two atom bombs on Japan. What, was he supposed to bring the Japanese to their knees by offering them free sugar cookies?

  17. MVPFreeman Says:

    We WILL make the playoffs next year, we WILL!

    Forget the fact that a playoff berth was STOLEN from us.

    WE ARE MAKING THE PLAYOFFS NEXT YEAR

  18. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    Joe,

    There is no way Thomass is going to respond to your questions. He never does. He will disappear until the next article pops up, in which case he will repeat himself again and again. He is nothing more than a troll. There is no way you or anyone else can deny that. This is why people are saying he shouldn’t be here, because he brings absolutely no value to this site. He is a major blemish on an otherwise perfect site.

  19. Capt.Tim Says:

    Sorry, Joe- you’re right. Most days I just laugh. Today is a bad day. I will self edit my comments better.

  20. espo Says:

    I have no doubt we’re going to the playoffs, but I wish Mike would do his talking on the field.

  21. Joe Says:

    JoeBucLiberal dot com

    LOL!!! Hardly. :)

  22. lmao@thomas Says:

    HAHAHA @Thomas you are so clueless!! Why would you fire RAH and Dominik when they have basically built up the franchise from the ground up and only went three years not making the playoffs after going 10-6 in only the second year?!?! THANK GOD YOU ARE NOT RUNNING THE FRANCHISE! GO BUCS!!!

  23. Brad Says:

    @espo-Williams did hus talking in the field and see no reason he’ll continue. He is up for the AP offensive player if the year. I see being confident a non issue. Hell Rex says the Jets are going to win the Superbowl every year. Shoot for the moon Mike… I like it.

  24. Tommy Boy Says:

    It is funny how Thomas disappeared when Joe questioned him and pointed out his BS. Maybe he is a sheep in wolf’s clothing…poses as holy than thou but when challenged, POOF gone.

  25. Squadoosh1 Says:

    If we are all sheep and Thomas keeps coming back here time and time again the only conclusion I can draw is that Thomas loves him some sheep….and lets just say maybe we should be nervous!

  26. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    “But this offseason less free agency is gonna be more torture than reading even timmies pro regime babble.”

    ———————-

    Then I got an easy solution for you, go away. Yeah, Capt. is such a jerk for actually being excited about this team and our potential for the future. We should all be a negative pr!ck like Thomass and Buc U, that will make everything all better. I will never understand people that spend all their time b!tching about stuff they know nothing about. If I ever feel like my life isn’t that great, I can always sit back and be happy that I’m not you.

  27. Gatorbuc15 Says:

    I like that Mike said this, and I believe that he’s right.
    This is the attitude the Bucs need to have.

  28. Big Marlon B Says:

    Mike Williams is the man. Glad to hear these kids have plenty of confidence. After the season they just had, in which all but 2 games were hard fought character building types of games, they have all the reason in the world to exude confidence.

    In regards to your point about the atom bomb Joe…
    Thomas drops to his knees for free sugar cookies, why wouldn’t the Japanese? :-D

  29. Capt.Tim Says:

    Hawaiian Buc-??? Where did THAT quote come from? I don’t see that anywhere?? The thing that’s worse than my positive out look is the fact that I’ve been right about management. From a major improvement in their record, to signing Donald Penn long term, to the successful year by both Raheem and Mark Dominick. I’m not some “hopeless homer”. Alot of people have their opinions about the Glazers. I believe they are absolutely driven to have a winning team in Tampa. They treat it like a personnel reflection on their accomplishments. They aren’t cheap. They fired Lil chucky for refusing to develop talent- which would have cost them Money. They spent a fortune in cash to hire Gruden, and payed a fortune when they fired him. I think we are lucky having ownership committed to winning. Lots of teams don’t. Some people always hate owners. Me, I think we have good owners. After what I suffered thru Culverhouse’ cheap ass, it nice to see some commitment to winning.

  30. jesse j Says:

    Thomas you comment traffic has signifcantly went up the second we were out of the playoffs. I listened to the likes of you, rahdom, eric, tampa2 and whatever bucyou was calling himself at the time, all last offseason spread this same negative speculative notion that the team will fail miserably. Only history i was bragging about is when Raheem proves you wrong, again, you will stop posting nearly as much, and that sir i cant wait for. As for you not seeing me on message boards or whatever, i simply dont have time to post like you, i get one out there every now and then. I read JBF daily though, and im certain I understand your motive for your hate.

  31. oar Says:

    Guys,
    Thomas got exactly what his posts want! Got you to give double digit comments about HIM!

  32. Pete A Says:

    Why would he “guarantee” the Bucs would make the playoffs, and then say, “If we make the playoffs…” There is no “if” Mike. You just guaranteed it!

  33. Gary Says:

    Hey Thomas,

    I’m sorry ‘lil buddy. I realize that I have been very mean to you, and you don’t deserve this. You are a nice man who sees the true state of things, and I am just a stupid homer.

    To make up for this, I would like to meet you at a bar and buy you a beer.

    Whaddaya say buddy? No hard feelings right? Lets just meet up somewhere so we can “talk”. I would love to hear your feelings about how bad this team is in person, I’m starting to see the light.

    I’m sure others on here will follow my lead and meet up too and personally apologize, right guys?

    LOL, f-in scrub.

  34. marcus Says:

    everything that is said here is pure speculation in regards to how the team is doing to next year’s prediction to the job of the coaching staff and front office etc. I’m hoping that we go 12-4 next year and make a deep run in the playoffs and i believe that coach morris and dominik have done an unbelievable job. but after reading a few post on here and being really a first time ” poster ” myself it seems to me that this site provides exactley that, a place where we can speculate and dream. And that sounds great to me! I can already see why a few people may be looked at with high negativity

  35. d-money Says:

    Damn…

    I can’t believe I missed out on all the Thomas bashing.

  36. Capt. Rino Says:

    I like the confidence! I like their chances too, but it’s a tough division they play in and their schedule is a lot tougher next season!

    They had a couple of DE’s and another good LB to the mix and they have a great shot! I would like to see them pickup FA DE from the Titan’s Jason Babin!

    Capt. Rino

  37. Capt.Tim Says:

    Gary- lol.. Hawiian buc- ? Dying to know who posted that quote. I haven’t found it.

  38. oar Says:

    Outside of the box:
    For any Bucs fan interested, this is a sad story about one of our former players, J Eckwood.

    http://www.tennessean.com/article/20110204/NEWS01/102040347/-1/MTCN06/NFL-s-hard-knocks-haunt-Franklin-man

    Again Joe, hope I didn’t step on any toes here with my link.

  39. Joe Says:

    oar:

    Send links like this to Joe. He’ll highlight them.

  40. Dave Says:

    I frimly believe even with the upcoming schedule they can win 10 or more games next and WILL make the playoffs.

    The offense is going to get better just from maturation.

    The defense, through draft and HOPEFULLY FA… a little…maybe…., should get better as well. Plus the DTs maturing some in the system will see improvement and just getting back everyone healthy.

    As far as THOMAS 2.2…. can not wait to see what he has to ignorantly say about McCoy in 2 years.
    This guy played better damn near every weak.
    He started shwing a major burst off the ball.
    He was being very disruptive in the backfield.
    Basically, he was looking like he was developing into the real deal.

    I guess little Tommy thinks every single rookie should come in and be SUH or Mike Williams from day one… that is a pipe dream. there is a reason the average NFL career is 3.4 years: it takes that long to see if a guy can play in the league. If he can, he hits his stride and plays for another 5+ years. If he can’t … c ya.

    I HATE, with a passion, playing the race card. Persoanlly I think Sharpton and Jess Jackson should be in jail for the race-baiting divisiveness they have caused, as well as their slander and lies and character attacks on people. They do it for one reason only: money.

    That said, I truly think one of two things about THOMAS 2.2 (and a couple others):

    1. They just absolutely can’t fathom that they can be wrong and don’t want to admit it.
    OR
    2. They are just ignorant backwoods racists who don’t like what is going on because Freeman and Raheem are black

    I am starting to lean towards #2. Don’t meant o call them out like that, but it is getting to the point where nothing else really makes sense based on their comments.

  41. oar Says:

    Joe,
    No problem and will do!

  42. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    Captain Tim:

    It must have been deleted, but it was made by “Buc this”.

  43. TrueBlue Says:

    Joe, you really need to consider banning Thomas. Every time he posts he hijacks the thread and makes it about him. Too many here are too ready to take his bait and bash him instead of talking about the topic. It really damages the discussion. Consider it.

  44. Capt.Tim Says:

    Hawaiian Buc- good, I was hoping that wasn’t in any way your opinion. Buc this is yet another persona of the rediculous and pathetic Buc you

  45. Capt.Tim Says:

    True Blue- so true!

  46. BigMacAttack Says:

    Joe, I don’t understand why you defend the Omnipotent One, Thomas.

    “Look, Capt, you can’t start insulting people, especially when you claimm you don’t even read their posts. Please. —Joe”

    Thomas is one continuous insult, to the Bucs, their coach & staff, their players, and everyone else on this site, with the exception of Tampon 2.

    Do the Joes agree on this? I’m curious which one bounced Buc You. I believe he said that posters would not be tolerated posting anything that makes Joe look bad or could get him in trouble, racism, or team hating as in this site is for Buc Fans. Tell me if I’m wrong, but what indication do you have that Thomas is a fan of the Bucs? If anything, he is a fan of his own voice, but not much else.

    I agree with True Blue mainly because we have all asked him to please just back off a little on the Buc hate, but he doesn’t. And now you defend him which makes no sense because every conversation about the team gets hijacked and turned into a “Big Phuc You fest” and what’s worse is that it is the same exact conversation repeatedly, over and over. It’s your site to run as you choose, but IMO it isn’t helping you or making posters want to come as often. Like I said before, if this was in a bar, I’d just beat his ass and spend the night in jail. it would be well worth it. Just saying.

  47. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    TrueBlue – Agreed.

  48. Joe Says:

    BigMacAttack:

    Joe is pretty close to a First Amendment absolutist. Joe has seen many sites that control comments with a tight fist either grow stale quickly or fold.

    Joe believes in lively, spirited debate. Just as Thomas is predictable with his Raheem hate, Capt. Tim is equally predictable with his unwavering love of the Bucs, no matter what the team does.

    This place would shrivel up and die if Joe only wanted comments from one side of the fence.

  49. Joe Says:

    TrueBlue:

    Too many here are too ready to take his bait and bash him instead of talking about the topic.

    Self-discipline my friend, self-discipline.

  50. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    Joe,

    Even if Captain is predictable with his love for the team, at least he doesn’t repeat himself over and over. He talks about the issue of your article, and he doesn’t bait people. If you post an article about Barrett Ruud, he will talk about Barrett Ruud. Also, the constant ridiculous negativity by Thomas makes you not want to criticize anything the team does, because no one wants to be on the same team as Thomas. On the other hand, Thomas only posts to bait people, by ripping Raheem and/or the Glazers. If you post an article about Barrett Ruud, he posts about Raheem Morris. When you do state facts (as you did earlier in this post), he disappears, because he knows he’s an idiot, he just wants the attention. That is the difference, and that is why so many of us want him gone. Too bad this site is not a democracy, because I guarantee that if you took a vote, it would be overwhelming.

  51. oar Says:

    Joe,
    “Self-discipline my friend, self-discipline.”
    Exactly! Imagine that?!
    “Joe is pretty close to a First Amendment absolutist.”
    Wow, two-for-two! Right on Joe!

  52. gitarlvr Says:

    Thomas is a total fag. I mean that in the South Park sense of the word. I don’t even need to read his latest post(s) to be justified in saying that. If Joe is going to let him be a troll with his anti-raheem racist crap then I will be an anti-thomas troll. Thats only fair ? Right Joe? I don’t need to contribute anyhting legitimate to the comments of any article. I can just come on each thread and call Thomas a fag over and over again. I’ll just be doing the same exact thing as Thomas.

  53. admin Says:

    Joe here,

    @gitarlvr – Look, Thomas isn’t posting anything racist that Joe has seen. And no, you can’t call Thomas a “fag.” But you’re welcome to be more civil in your dislike of him. And you can do that in each thread. …

  54. McBuc Says:

    I can not stand Thomas either, but Joe is right he should not be banned.

  55. thomas 2.2 Says:

    Joe: sorry it took so long to respond. I havent been able to login since yesterday.

    I appreciate the response. The point of my comment about suh was addressed to those (including the org) who argued repeatedly that GMC was the best D-Lineman in the draft. Pre and post draft I had many arguments re the merits of drafting those two players. Many of the pro-org faction argued ridiculuously that GMC was the better player, not your argument that they drafted GMC b/c that was all they had.

    Second, I believe once Suh was gone you draft another player. Duemig discussed today that he is “unsure” of what GMC is, that GMC admitted to having trouble figuring the NFL out and that pre-injury Price looked like the superior player.

    Now as for the coaching point you make. No GMC would not be great under Parcells, Bellichick or Lombardi for that matter.

    My beef with the org about the hiring of Rah relates to that decision being more support of how cheap they have gotten since 2004. They had no choice but to retain Rah after the improved record or they would look foolish if/when the team steps back next year.

    Hawaiian: my themes are argued as frequently as yours and your kind. You celebrate the state of this team. I criticize it since they have missed the playoffs 3 years in a row. You believe that they “built through the draft” to improve the team on the field. I believe it was to save $ in advance of the CBA uncertainty.

    Is it their right to go cheap? Sure. But this is not an ordinary business. We built their stadium. We pay them for every event in that stadium. They are guaranteed profits before they ever play a game. They have anti-trust exemptions. Nobody can assemble a competing NFL team in the community to boycott the b.s. they are now providing.

    I can go on forever. I don’t like what this org has become. It is viewed as a bottom level or. It was not viewed that way 3 years ago.

    I do not blame this on Rah the man, who I like and admire in many ways. But as a coach, he was unqualified when he got the job, and 2009 was a debacle b/c of it.

    He improved this year, but who wouldn’t. Part of the reason why you sheep are so thrilled with the “improvement” is b/c the expectations were set so low last year.

    Joe, I always appreciate the feedback but there is another legit perspective about this franchise. I will say this: thank goodness for Freeman – that is one thing that they got right, and that may be the most important thing.

  56. thomas 2.2 Says:

    And thanks McBuc of not being afraid of debate and differing perspectives and viewpoints.

    I, as apparently you and Joe do, welcome debate. Sometimes it is credible engaged debate like Joe and others bring. Sometimes it is purely anti-Gruden fueled and laughably weak junk like Capt Tim’s ramblings. (I still wish Tim a speedy recovery).

    As for the racist allegations, I haven’t even responded to that b/c it is not worthy of a response but I have and will maintain this: If Cowher couldn’t be coach, I would wish for Mike Tomlin next. Also, I am a huge Dungy and Lovie Smith fan. For many other reasons, I don’t care what color Rah is.

  57. Joe Says:


    I appreciate the response. The point of my comment about suh was addressed to those (including the org) who argued repeatedly that GMC was the best D-Lineman in the draft. Pre and post draft I had many arguments re the merits of drafting those two players. Many of the pro-org faction argued ridiculuously that GMC was the better player, not your argument that they drafted GMC b/c that was all they had.

    OK, thanks Thomas.

    From what Joe saw of GMC, once he pretty much quit listening to Todd Wash he began to break out. There was like a six-week stretch where GMC’s numbers were comparable to Suh’s before his injury.

    Brian Price was on fire in training camp. Sadly, he was dinged since OTAs and aggravated his injury in training camp and was not the same.

    Jury, of course, is still out on both.

  58. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    Thomas,

    You are spinning words around to meet your opinions. First of all, of course the organization is going to say they wanted McCoy the whole time. That would be incredibly stupid if they didn’t. As for drafting someone else, only time will tell. You are not a scout, and you have no idea what kind of a player he is going to be. McCoy did say he was thinking too much, but he didn’t say he couldn’t figure the NFL out. That is putting words in his mouth. No matter what, he is here, he’s a young kid working his arse off, why trash him over and over. You said your piece, but you beat on the same drum over and over. Do you seriously not see how that could be irritating??? If not, wow!

    As for me, I “celebrate” this team because I like the direction we are headed. Last year, I preached patience because I knew it would be a struggle. If we did not show major improvement (which we did), then I would have been all for a new coach. I’m sorry, but 10-6 is a good record no matter what. 9 times out of 10 it will get you in the playoffs (often times getting you a home game and a division title), it just didn’t this year. That doesn’t mean this team is a failure, it just means we are not good enough yet. We played a real NFL schedule, regardless of the excuses you make against it, and we just came up a hair short. You continue to say the same things on every single post – how much you think Raheem is incompetent, the Glazers are cheap, etc. Half my posts never bring up Raheem’s name. I try to post on the topic of the article, but you are the one who turns every article into an anti-Raheem post. Regardless of what you say, you know it is true.

    As for our team being cheap, I guess in reality, you are right. However, spending money is obviously not the key to success. That has been proven time and time again. We are going to be the cheapest until our young players get their second contract. You typically only get one first round pick that gets big money, but the rest do not. Most of our team has less than 4 years experience. The money will come with their second contract. If we are truly cheap, then we won’t re-sign them. However, if you look at the few veterans that we do have, they make a considerable amount of money (Penn, Winslow, Faine). If we are still the cheapest in 2 years, then I will admit to being wrong about this. However, if we are in the playoffs and winning, it won’t matter.

    And finally, make no mistake, I am thrilled with this team because of all the young talent we have. Freeman, Blount, Williams, Benn, are all potential superstars for years to come. They are all going to be here for a long time. I don’t think we are going to have too many more 13-9 games as we have had seemingly forever. We play a much more exciting brand of football in Tampa now, and it is only going to get more exciting. Granted our defense needs some work, but you can’t fix everything in 2 years. However, our defense is nowhere near as bad as you make it out to be. We are statistically average, which I know in Tampa is horrible. But you just can’t expect us to be dominant on both sides of the ball immediately.

  59. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    “I, as apparently you and Joe do, welcome debate. Sometimes it is credible engaged debate like Joe and others bring.”

    ————

    It’s not debate when you repeat yourself over and over. It’s not debate when you continually call people who still love this team “sheep” because we are not as negative of a person as you. Finally, it’s not debate when you spin nearly every article into an anti-Raheem post. You know exactly what you are doing, I know you are not stupid. If you combined all the Gruden hate, it wouldn’t even come close to the Raheem hate you spew on one post (and I am not a Gruden hater). And no, I have never called you a racist.

    You are entitled to your opinion. To be honest, I really don’t give a damn what you think. I don’t know you, nor will I ever know you. However, I get tired of you taking over every article. We are all (at least most) fans of this team, and I don’t want to hear the same negative BS on every article, especially the ones that are meant to be positive. I just don’t get how you get off by doing that. Talk about the issue of the article, and don’t turn everything about your hatred of Raheem. It’s repetitive, and incredibly annoying. You wouldn’t talk like that to someone in person (you know exactly why you wouldn’t), so why do it here?

  60. Capt.Tim Says:

    You guys don’t pay very close attention. You make me sound like some happy Homer. Screw that ! I have been positive about slot of things, because smart enough to realize that they will be successful. Which O predocted, UNLIKE the majority here.I’ve disagreed with a lot of decissions this team has made. Everytime Zittah lined up at LG, I yelled that it was a mistake. He sucks at left Guard. Using Quincy Black as a rush Lb has been a huge failure, and has hindered the development and stats of Gerald McCoy. Moving Mcoy around so much is a mistake. He should spend his first year at DT. Let him get comfortable at his natural spot,THEN utilize his versatility. I bitched all Spring that we needed more depth at O-line, although that turned out not to be as I though. The point is, there is plenty I bitch about. What I don’t do, is just bitch and cry about every tiny move the team makes. That’s because I have Balls, and am a man. Not the fashionable Lil metrosexuals who whine about everything. Not interested. If I see things are headed the right way- Which I am INTELLIGENT enough to determine. Then I don’t cry about everything.
    I realize at some point it became fashionable to be negative and sarcastic about everything. Especially things you don’t really know anything about. Not me. If it sucks, I’ll bitch. Not much to bitch about with the direction this team is going- unless you’re a F%#king idiot who just wants to whine.

  61. Capt.Tim Says:

    You guys don’t pay very close attention. You make me sound like some happy Homer. Screw that ! I have been positive about a lot of things, because i am smart enough to realize that they will be successful. Which I predicted, UNLIKE the majority here.I’ve disagreed with a lot of decissions this team has made. Everytime Zuttah lined up at LG, I yelled that it was a mistake. He sucks at left Guard. Using Quincy Black as a rush Lb has been a huge failure, and has hindered the development and stats of Gerald McCoy. Moving Mcoy around so much is a mistake. He should spend his first year at DT. Let him get comfortable at his natural spot,THEN utilize his versatility. I bitched all Spring that we needed more depth at O-line, although that turned out not to be as I though. The point is, there is plenty I bitch about. What I don’t do, is just bitch and cry about every tiny move the team makes. That’s because I have Balls, and am a man. Not the fashionable Lil metrosexuals who whine about everything. Not interested. If I see things are headed the right way- Which I am INTELLIGENT enough to determine. Then I don’t cry about everything.
    I realize at some point it became fashionable to be negative and sarcastic about everything. Especially things you don’t really know anything about. Not me. If it sucks, I’ll bitch. Not much to bitch about with the direction this team is going- unless you’re a F%#king idiot who just wants to whine.

  62. thomas 2.2 Says:

    Hawaiian:

    If it wasnt for my opinions virtually every comment would be some form of the same unrealisstic fantasy about how great everything that they are doing is. The comments would be about 50% less in frequency and close to that in substance because some of you respond to my positions, often credibly.

    Who wants a blog with only rosy sweet compliments of a team that hasnt done anything in three years?

    You might as well go to buc.com. I neever expect any of you to adopt my positions, just entertain them unemotionally and if you respond – make it articulate and supportable – that is all.

    The weak ranting just elevates my opinions.

  63. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    “If it wasnt for my opinions virtually every comment would be some form of the same unrealisstic fantasy about how great everything that they are doing is. The comments would be about 50% less in frequency and close to that in substance because some of you respond to my positions, often credibly.”

    ————

    You are giving yourself way more credit than you deserve. I agree there probably would be less comments, but they would be of better quality. Again, you are entitled to an opinion, nobody here has a problem with that. Everyone’s problem is that you have the same comments over and over. Everyone would respect you a lot more if you would mix it up a little (have some positive comments every now and then too). You can’t seriously be that unhappy with the organization. If you are, you really do need to find another team. It’s unhealthy to dislike anything that much.

    It’s great to have a different opinion of the team, and it would be boring if everyone on the site had nothing but positives. But you take it over the line. Again, you know exactly what you are doing. It is not to create more traffic for this site. You do it because you enjoy pissing off the real fans, and you love the attention. I would respect you a whole lot more if you would just admit it, because we all (including Joe) know that it’s true.

  64. BigMacAttack Says:

    Thomas, you are complete ________ and not worthy of debate. 95% of your arguments have no merit. You merely spout off crap to piss people off. Now all of a sudden Joe defends you and you act is if you have a counterpoint with merit. I don’t think so. You’re a POS and now that Joe has given your diatribe a ringing endorsement, I will make my best attempt to ignore you. If that doesn’t work I’ll look elsewhere. You bring nothing to the table and tomorrow will be a fine day if you are hit by a car in a crosswalk. I’m hating you bet, about as much as I love the Bucs. Any time, any where, any place punk, you let me know.

  65. Capt.Tim Says:

    If someone constantly throws trash at something you care about, it puts you on the defensive. Last spring the attitude here was much different. There were seven or eight posters who attacked all things Buc. If anyone had said anything positive about the team, they attacked like sharks. One person never caved in to Their constant B.S. – JimBuc. He defended his optimism about the team against all odds, and NEVER ran out of energy to continue an argument. I got in several lengthy, nasty disagreements with him myself. Yet learned to respect his support for his team. And the really funny part is- he was right! All the idiots/Haters are pretty much gone now- the asses I called the” Slow squad”. The reason? Because he was right, and they couldn’t stand being proven wrong. All spring they called him a homer, and a lot worse. Bottom line- he was none of those things. He just knew alot more about football than they did!

  66. Capt.Tim Says:

    Thomas’s post kill conversation. Several regulars have pointed it put on recent post. Just when a conversation was starting to get some depth, Thomas dumps his usual steaming pile of irrelevant opinions, and the thread dies. A few hang around to tell him what a waste he is, but the conversation is dead. Again, Joe is a patient guy. If someone spent so much time trying to sabotage my hard work, I would not be so tolerant. There are lots of disagreements here. I have actually changed my opinion on an issue several times after lengthy discussion. But that’s not what Thomas is about. He is after attention. At the expense of all the rest of us. The site would be better off without him. And I haven’t said that about any other poster. He just post to agreviate. He knows what he’s doing.

  67. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    I agree with every single word you just wrote Captain. Couldn’t have said it better myself.

  68. BigMacAttack Says:

    So we basically have 99% that feel one way, and 1% that feels the other. By all means, let’s benefit the few(one) at the expense of the many. That is the definition of what is wrong with our society. One selfish @$$hole just feels the need to phuc it up for everybody else. Maybe Thomas’ real name is Deuce Gruden. What, 70 posts on this thread, 5 or 6 about football, and everything else is about Thomas and his $h!t. Really, what’s the point?

  69. Joe Says:

    CAUTION gitarlvr:

    There will be no flamewars here.

  70. Joe Says:

    gitarlvr:

    From now on every post I make will include some kind of illogical inflammatory hateful statement about Thomas.

    That’s a good way to get bounced.

    Joe likes you around man. But don’t go that route.

    If you don’t like what Thomas writes, don’t read him. Quite simple.

    Joe won’t name any names, but there are a couple of posters Joe would be OK if he never noticed a comment from them again. But Joe’s not about to bounce them because they’ve done nothing wrong.

  71. TrueBlue Says:

    You can’t help but read Thomas. Even if you don’t read his posts, every thread goes to a discussion about him and his contempt for the Bucs and his own self-promotion. I’m not going to continue to frequent this site if every thread ends up about Thomas. He does not contribute to Buc discussions, he kills them.

  72. McBuc Says:

    Just to be clear. I am with you guys that Thomas is an arse that brings nothing to the table…I just do not think he should be banned. Haw, Capt, and Big Mac said it all.

  73. Capt.Tim Says:

    Still pissed I got labeled as some mindless cheerleader!! Screw that. I hadn’t posted On JoeBuc yet, but I was questioning the sanity of everyone at OneBuc during the last 3 Gruden years. Horrible drafts and depleted talent had me questioning everyone from Malcom Glazer to Capt.Fear !! As I said last spring, I knew that they had turned it around, and I was totally,absolutely, unquestionably right!!! That doesn’t suddenly turn me in to a homer. It just means I was tremendously mote intelligent and knowledgable about Football than the whinners who didn’t see it- nan nah nan nah!!
    And Thomas somehow gets a flier, and is given credit for” presenting an argument” of some kind- when we all know that is NOT what he comes here for!! I AM NOT THE OPPOSITE OF THOMAS!!! I am an informed and intelligent football fan. He is a hater, football is just a medium for him to be aggravating.

  74. BigMacAttack Says:

    I’m sorry Joe, but you are way off base on this one. Your site, your rules, but you sit there and judge gitarlvr, threaten to bounce him, and then basically kiss Thomas’ @$$. C’mon Joe, wake up buddy. You change the rules more than a blue donkey.

  75. Capt.Tim Says:

    Gitarlvr is a very loyal poster. He has good comments, and really works to sustain conversations here, as much as Thomas kills them. Gitarlvr would be missed. Sometimes you have to have a lil loyalty to your friends- the people who support you. To lose Gitarlvr, who works to keep JoeBuc a busy place, over Thomas, who sabotages your hard work, would be the worst choice since Barabas. Still pissed my football knowledge and wisdom gets written of as homerism.

  76. McBuc Says:

    If being a loyal fan makes you a homer…I guess I am one.

  77. BigMacAttack Says:

    Barabas, LOL!

    I guess homer it is.

  78. Capt.Tim Says:

    Lol, you guys rock!

  79. Joe Says:

    BigMacAttack:

    Does Thomas personally call out specific posters in multiple threads to start flamewars?

  80. BigMacAttack Says:

    I don’t know Joe, you go back and read the content of his posts. I don’t like listen to some punk that has never accomplished anything, bash our coach, who is putting his heart and soul into our team. Raheem deserves better than that POS trashing him every day. I think almost everyone here has tried to reason with Thomas at some point, but there comes a point where you get a concussion from beating your head against the wall so much. Hey, he’s your boy, you say it works for you so go with it. I have better things to do than argue or talk about Thomas and I just don’t like hanging out with adolescents and juvenile delinquents. Those days are long gone for me. I enjoy talking to the REAL MEN here, but he’s not a person I would break bread with, much less drink wine. I’m not saying it’s you, maybe it’s me, and I’m not the one that belongs here. It is your house, and I know where the door is. And if you ask me to leave, you won’t have to do it twice.

  81. Capt.Tim Says:

    No, he spews the exact same Gruden love, Buccaneer hate, and stops all conversation on the topic at hand. And he does over, and over, and over . . .

  82. Capt.Tim Says:

    Morning BigMacAttack, lol

  83. BigMacAttack Says:

    Aye aye sir.

 
 

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