Jameis Watch: “They’re Going To Tell Jameis That”
January 16th, 2015
Crab-legs-stealing, BB-gun-shooting, obscenity-hollering, Heisman-Trophy-winning, former national champion Jameis Winston, the pride of Florida State University, continues to look like a much better quarterback prospect than Mike Glennon and Josh McCown.
It’s Joe’s daily nugget on the Jameis Watch, celebrating the best quarterback to wear No. 5 ever in the state of Florida.
Those obsessed with the Marcus Mariota-Jameis Winston debate will enjoy the video below.
Donovan McNabb joins former Bucs stud left tackle Donald Penn and a couple of FOX Sports studio types to talk about the highly touted college QBs.
McNabb says Winston needs to be “surrounded by a great group of veterans who have families” that will straighten his ass out if he starts acting stupid.
“Listen, If I got my kids in the house and my wife in the house and am trying to pay bills, you ain’t going to mess that up for me,” McNabb said. “So [teammates] are going to tell James that in the beginning. If he has money in his pocket or not, Jameis understands that. Same with Marcus Mariota.”
Penn goes on to say, “I’ve never seen anyone win football games by being nice.”
There’s more in the video, in addition to Penn endorsing Jameis as the first quarterback off the board in the 2015 NFL Draft.
This is one reason Joe would like to see the Bucs keep Vincent Jackson. He’s the kind of guy who can actually keep a rookie QB focused, though he didn’t have much lasting luck with Mike Williams.
January 16th, 2015 at 11:02 am
There are currently only Four QBs playing in the league that are No. 1 overall picks. Newton, Luck, Alex Smith and Peyton Manning. Only one of those is in the playoffs currently.
WHY do you guys think we need to reach on a guy with Massive Character issues or a Spread QB that May or May not make it in the NFL?????????????????????
NEITHER OF THESE GUYS IS ANDREW LUCK PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!
January 16th, 2015 at 11:08 am
You guys just watch. The SB is going to feature a 6th round QB vs a 3rd round QB
January 16th, 2015 at 11:16 am
Since it is a forgone conclusion from many that Winston will be the choice and a conclusion from many others that Mariota will be the choice….and I can rest easy that Cordell Jones will not be our pick….I am now focused on other unsolved items….such as the changes with our coaching staff & our FA acquisitons and picks 2-7…….
January 16th, 2015 at 11:22 am
Penn goes on to say, “I’ve never seen anyone win football games by being nice.”
I miss Penn… That says it all… Lovie’s choir boys were 2-14
January 16th, 2015 at 11:25 am
Penn “I’ve never seen anyone win football games by being nice.”….. Hope Aunt Geraldine reads that. Right out of his buddy D. Penn’s mouth. You got that Whodini Geraldini? No FUKN nice guys. Stop picking the RB up after getting run over for a 5yd gain!
January 16th, 2015 at 11:27 am
8 incidents in 2 years and he looks fat
jamarcus winston
January 16th, 2015 at 11:32 am
Well within our division we go up against the 1st overall pick at QB (Newton), the 3rd overall pick (Ryan), and the first pick in second round (Brees).
That’s who we have to beat.
Andrew Luck type picks come along every ten-fifteen years.
Our competition didn’t wait, they pulled the trigger, got a quarterback, and have been kicking our asses on a regular basis since Chucky was canned.
Unless anybody sees a Drew Brees out there in Free agency, like the Saints were fortunate to get, we need to draft one high.
There are no guarantees on draft day, they guy everyone sez is Andrew Luck (whoever that mythical player of the future is) could still end up sucking.
January 16th, 2015 at 11:38 am
Drafting Mariota because he is a “nice guy” is just stupid. Give me the bad guy with fire. That is how you win.
January 16th, 2015 at 11:38 am
gatrbuc17 Says:
January 16th, 2015 at 11:02 am
There are currently only Four QBs playing in the league that are No. 1 overall picks. Newton, Luck, Alex Smith and Peyton Manning.
Incorrect gatrbuc. Carson Palmer, Eli Manning and Matthew Stafford were all #1 overall picks in addition to the 4 you named.
Also – Matt Ryan, Phillip Rivers, Mark Sanchez and Blake Bortles were all top 5 picks.
Your bias against the best QB to come out since Luck is ridiculous. Doubt you would see his “massive character issues” as such a big problem if he wasn’t a Seminole. You probably think Tebow should still be a starting NFL QB – LOL
January 16th, 2015 at 11:40 am
Andrew Luck’s are rare.. he’s a once ever 10 year type of draft pick… no one is saying either of them are Andrew Luck. Who gives two shits what round the playoff QBs were selected. It’s proven time and time again you need a QB to succeed in this league. This franchise NEEDS a QB to build upon. We need a QB to get excited about. The fans need it, the team needs it, we all need it. These patch work QB we bring in during free agency are available for a reason and they’ve proven it. Draft Winston, he has the skill set. Im will to take the chance in drafting him b/c if we miss out on him and he become a pro bowler, SB winner we as fans are going to have to swallow that pill (again) for a decade. DRAFT WINSTON!!!
January 16th, 2015 at 11:44 am
Those aren’t 8 instances. Same old same old.
BB Gun battle with his buds (apartment manager didn’t press charges)
Ketchup cup full of soda at BK (no charges)
Crab legs (paid civil infraction fine)
swearing in student lounge
And the disproven rape charge. (as determined by the former Florida Supreme Court Judge)
None of it amounts to didley squat.
January 16th, 2015 at 11:44 am
Buc fans have been complaining for years/decades about never having a QB. We currently have the #1 pick.. we have full control. We have 2 QBs we can pick and Buc fans are still not happy. amazing!
January 16th, 2015 at 11:46 am
oh and btw… both are heisman trophy winner and one has a National Championship… even more amazing.. you people amaze me
January 16th, 2015 at 11:46 am
Winston is nothing more than a cross between Ryan Leaf and Byron Leftwich with a little bit of Pacman Jones mixed in. Do you really think that the Glazers want somebody like that as the face of their franchise? NOPE. Plus Lovie and Licht know that they can’t miss on this pick. They will draft the safest pick possible. I look for them to pick Williams at #1 or move down a little and pick Peat. Just watch
January 16th, 2015 at 11:46 am
@gatorbuc17, yes and yes.
January 16th, 2015 at 11:50 am
Mr. Patrick, with all due respect.. I think you are dead wrong.
January 16th, 2015 at 11:51 am
Penn goes on to say, “I’ve never seen anyone win football games by being nice.”
He calling you SOFT. Hahahahaha. I love me some donald penn. Even his mama is tougher than our FACE of the FRANCHISE. Lmao
January 16th, 2015 at 11:52 am
Yeah, lets pass on one of those talented NFL ready QB’s in the past 9 years (aside from luck) because he had a BB gun war in college.
Lets take a lesser talented QB who EVERY scout has questions about because he is a really nice guy. seems legit!!
January 16th, 2015 at 11:53 am
The #1 pick will have a great mentor for sure. Leonard Williams should learn lots from GMC.
January 16th, 2015 at 11:53 am
@Eric….do your research on Heisman winning QB’s and their translation to the NFL….then you’ll be amazed…
January 16th, 2015 at 11:55 am
Pick Jameis. Their may be an outcry at first but once the wins start coming, he will be worshipped!
January 16th, 2015 at 11:57 am
*transition
January 16th, 2015 at 11:57 am
The comments on this site are proof we have the dumbest fan base in the country. Draft Williams #1? It’s like people wants us to continue to be anonymous trash. As for the qb, Gator fans can’t do anything without blinders on. It was tebow love blinders and now Winston hate blinders. And you idiots are going to be wrong on both fronts.
January 16th, 2015 at 11:58 am
@MadMax, im well aware of the Heisman to NFL numbers, they’re glaring. So you’re saying we should pass on him b/c he won a Heisman? That might be the dumbest comment I’ve seen on here.
January 16th, 2015 at 11:58 am
Mr. Patrick…and the fans will be lined up out the door to buy season tickets???
January 16th, 2015 at 11:59 am
MadMax —
You are correct about success of Heisman qb not being good. most go to real bad teams obviously. You have to remember Lovie stated the Bucs are on the “VERGE” of greatness. I have to believe King lovie, he would never mislead his flock. (sarcasm) therefore, Winston will succeed as bucs starting qb and buck the Heisman loser stats.
Draft Winston
Bring in Saint Ritchie to mentor O-Line.
January 16th, 2015 at 12:00 pm
Rbuc, you couldn’t have said it better. Our fan base has the lowest football IQ in the country. I’ve said it for years.
January 16th, 2015 at 12:00 pm
Draft anyone BUT a QB with this pick and no one will buy a damn seat to watch this hot mess of a team.
I wonder how many of you that don’t want them to take a QB will buy season tickets this upcoming season.
I suspect not many of you.
January 16th, 2015 at 12:02 pm
Eric Says:
January 16th, 2015 at 11:44 am
Those aren’t 8 instances. Same old same old.
BB Gun battle with his buds (apartment manager didn’t press charges)
Ketchup cup full of soda at BK (no charges)
Crab legs (paid civil infraction fine)
swearing in student lounge
And the disproven rape charge. (as determined by the former Florida Supreme Court Judge)
None of it amounts to didley squat.
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Exactly Eric. None of that means anything. 98% of those so worried about Winston’s “massive character issues” did worse things when they were young. Such hypocrites. Jameis has never been arrested nor charged with any crime. Yet I regularly see posts on here talking about his “rap sheet”. SMH
January 16th, 2015 at 12:03 pm
Leonard Williams is by far the best player available. We are a horrible team that has needs everywhere except RB (which of course means they’ll waste another pick on one). Williams/GMC could give us a dominant interior pass rush, which would be a major aid to making a great defense. Might even make that scrub Michael Johnson look good. Seattle is a borderline dynasty because they are loaded on defense, not because of Russell Wilson.
No, the fans who are real morons on this site are the ones who think drafting a QB at number 1 is salvation and instant turnaround. If only it were that easy, but sadly most fans think it is that easy.
January 16th, 2015 at 12:04 pm
I hope a lot of you Winston haters love crow because you’re going to have to be eating A LOT of it. I seriously hope you clowns stick to your guns, “I’ll never go to another game!”, “I’ll never support the Bucs again!” blah, blah, blah. Guess what? NOBODY cares so go ahead and continue to cry a river. Don’t you dare jump back on this side of the fence once Jameis is out here winning ball games though. Please remember all your ignorant comments about this man and stick with them because true Bucs fans don’t want your sorry asses back in the seats.
January 16th, 2015 at 12:04 pm
if Winston isn’t drafted by the bucs it’s because he is being defined by crab legs and his off field issues by the team and the fans, if we draft him it’s because there’s more to his personality than we know from reading a newspaper. we know he has the physical skills so there’s no need for teams to focus on that or his desire to win, in those combine interviews they’ll be asking him what do you want out of life beyond football, who do you want to be and those answers will determine where he’s drafted
January 16th, 2015 at 12:07 pm
The most interesting thing about this thread is it seems that almost everyone against drafting Winston are gator fans? Kind of throws a huge monkey wrench in their opinion being credible.
January 16th, 2015 at 12:08 pm
Penn goes on to say, “I’ve never seen anyone win football games by being nice.”
So I guess he hasn’t seen Rodgers, Wilson, nor Luck play. Good to know.
January 16th, 2015 at 12:13 pm
bucrightoff Says:
January 16th, 2015 at 12:03 pm
“No, the fans who are real morons on this site are the ones who think drafting a QB at number 1 is salvation and instant turnaround. If only it were that easy, but sadly most fans think it is that easy.”
Who here on this site thinks Winston will mean an instant turnaround? Post it and let yourself be known.
I’m not in that group.
January 16th, 2015 at 12:13 pm
@87
Nope, it will work just the opposite. The Glazers know that if they draft Winston their fan base will decrease drastically and they are tired of seeing a half full Ray Jay. The only people buying tickets will be the FSU homers
January 16th, 2015 at 12:14 pm
Drafting a qb can be instant salvation. Ask the Colts. It doesn’t always work, but not having a qb never works. How much more proof do you need of that?
I can’t wait for all the miserable fans out there who are just going to hate winning football games with Winston.
January 16th, 2015 at 12:15 pm
87, take your blinders off dude… seriously
January 16th, 2015 at 12:15 pm
Both QBs have their individual risks…..to say that there is NO risk with Winston’s off-field issues is absurd…..there is some risk.
To say that there is NO risk by drafting Mariota because of the system he was in and the transition he will have to make to the NFL is also absurd.
The next two months the Bucs decision makers will evaluate both players vs their risk/reward value to the Bucs.
The biggest risk IMO is to not take one of them.
January 16th, 2015 at 12:16 pm
87ForJameisNoMariota Says:
January 16th, 2015 at 12:00 pm
Draft anyone BUT a QB with this pick and no one will buy a damn seat to watch this hot mess of a team.
I wonder how many of you that don’t want them to take a QB will buy season tickets this upcoming season.
I suspect not many of you.
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Please stop with this nonsense. If they draft Williams, start Glennon and go 5-0 to start next year you’ll be back in a heartbeat. If they draft Jameis and go 0-16, you’re gonna renew after that? It’s absurd to make the proclaimation you are done if they don’t draft your guy. If they dont’ draft your guy and win the Super Bowl, you’re done? Winning fills seats, this isn’t the NBA where stars or perceived stars do.
January 16th, 2015 at 12:17 pm
opps my bad 87, I meant Mr Patrick, you sir are pure ignorance.
January 16th, 2015 at 12:17 pm
Winston needs to work on some of this mechanics and pocket awareness. This will help him be truly exceptional. As of right now, I don’t think he will get by in the NFL with his mechanics. I think the staring down of the receivers and the elongated throw will eventually be his downfall. If he can get a faster throwing motion and learn to not stare down receivers he could be great. He also needs to work on his happy feet when he gets pressure up the middle. Learning to read the underneath needs to improve as well, but of course that comes when you aren’t starting at receivers.
January 16th, 2015 at 12:17 pm
@Eric
We agree to disagree on a friendly basis. The truth is none of us know what the Bucs will do until they are on the clock on April 30th. It is fun to try and guess though. We are all Bucs fans and want what’s best for our team, we just all have different ideas of what that is
January 16th, 2015 at 12:18 pm
Eric…what blinders?
I don’t think drafting Winston means instant success. In fact the exact opposite.
Mr Patrick…you’re wrong and the tickets sales will prove you’re wrong after they draft him.
Again which one of you will buy season tickets next year if they pass on a QB with the first pick?
January 16th, 2015 at 12:20 pm
I bought season tickets after they signed Revis!
January 16th, 2015 at 12:21 pm
drafting a quarterback puts the national spotlight on the bucs and makes them relevant on the national stage so yes if this guy is half as good as we think he can be and he can be a day one starter atleast close to the level matt ryan was when Atlanta took him then yes it is instant salvation like it was for Atlanta. Atlanta has never had a good offensive line yet the weapons they had made them dangerous. we don’t have to have a top 15 offensive line to be relevant so a tweak here and there on the line is all it will take (getting rid of Collins and cousins) yea and this defense in year two should be better, I think we’d be good for atleast 7 wins if the quarterback doesn’t come in with that dear in the headlights look josh freeman had
January 16th, 2015 at 12:22 pm
Half of you don’t even live in Florida anymore. So there goes that ticket sale.
January 16th, 2015 at 12:26 pm
All of you guys can have your pipe dreams of Mariota or Winston bringing multiple championships here if you want, but Lovie is a defensive minded coach who continually talks about how important the D-Line is in his defense and you know he is salivating about putting Williams on the line with GMC
January 16th, 2015 at 12:26 pm
Love how everyone here wants Winston, COME ON MAN!!!
Guy has all the skill in the world, but is a dumbass. Doesn’t that remind you guys of someone… (Jamarcus Russell)
Mariota isn’t the most ready QB to come in and win, but he will work his ass off and in the long haul, he will be the best QB to come out in this draft.
Its not a hard choice Tampa… #MariotaorBUST
January 16th, 2015 at 12:28 pm
Hey gatrbuc17, you forgot Vick, Palmer, and Eli. Additionally, Sam Bradford wasn’t a bust, just injured.
January 16th, 2015 at 12:30 pm
Skyline – just stop it with the talk of Jameis “staring down his receivers”. You keep posting that over and over in addition to saying he has “bad throwing mechanics”. Show me one statement from a credible NFL evaluator who thinks either of those “issues” is a serious problem that should give one pause in considering the drafting of Jameis Winston. Show me just 1 credible quote saying that. You can’t – so STFU about non-existent “problems” with Winston’s game.
January 16th, 2015 at 12:31 pm
To be fair no one has ever one games by not being nice. Not that I’m against drafting Winston, but the red flags aren’t for him being mean, they’re for him being an idiot off the field. Unlike in college, when you’re an idiot off the field you might not make it onto the field. You don’t suddenly become more mature by receiving a huge payday.
January 16th, 2015 at 12:32 pm
Winston is a dumbass but his work ethic was never questioned just his off field intelligence. if your tampa bay what’s the point of drafting a quarterback 1st overall that’s not ready to come in and play….if he has Russell Wilson intelligence but not ready to start day one that’s a wasted pick. if Winston is a day one starter that’s what you need unless lovie is planning on picking in the top half of the draft. if lovie is in win now mode and trying to secure his stay in tampa he’ll draft winston
January 16th, 2015 at 12:33 pm
bucs4lyfe Says:
January 16th, 2015 at 12:21 pm
drafting a quarterback puts the national spotlight on the bucs and makes them relevant on the national stage.
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Do you honestly believe that? You think the Raiders were relevant on a national stage for drafting Carr? You think the Jags were on a national stage for drafting Bortles? You think the Vikings were on a national stage for drafting Bridgewater? Only team I can think of that was a national stage was the Browns due to Manziel always being in the news for something stupid.
January 16th, 2015 at 12:34 pm
I have stated before that I will be fine with either QB but will sleep better if Mariota is the pick.
All of my friends and family know I have been a huge Buc fan since 76…..so I ask them “unaided” who they think we should pick…..they (most outside the state of Fla) overwhelmingly say Mariota….the reason they all give is Winston’s off-field risk.
Winston’s general reputation outside the state is not good… he has many defenders in Florida….but also the most vocal critics.
I think it will be very important to due extra due diligence on Winston…then if he is the pick…the Bucs can garner the support for that decision Nationwide…
January 16th, 2015 at 12:35 pm
@pickgrin
Here you go:
“Winston’s throwing mechanics are sloppy. And that’s putting it nicely. His feet are sloppy which causes his entire lower body to be sloppy and also his entire upper body. He gets away with this because he has such a strong arm and is still consistently accurate. With some discipline in his mechanics, Winston could become an even better thrower and more consistently accurate with the football. When Winston misses he misses high, especially to his right. He has a tendency to drop his throwing elbow when throwing to his right and causes a lot of his balls to sail because his hand dips below the football at the release instead of staying “on top” of it. This happens less when he throws to the left because the motion of throwing to the left naturally slots his elbow in the right position and he’s less likely to let it sail.
Under pressure, Winston’s mechanics get even sloppier. He does a good job of moving within the pocket but it takes considerable effort to move his big frame around and he’s not as precise or subtle in his movements as he should be. Winston shows a strong ability to handle edge pressure, it’s just the pressure up the middle that tends to cause his decision making to implode.” –NFL Philosophy
January 16th, 2015 at 12:35 pm
“Winston can and often reads through a full progression and does so with good efficiency. He can determine his first read and come off it quickly if the defense shifts. He’s always aware of where his receivers should be and does a good job of moving his feet with his eyes so that he can pull the trigger and deliver the ball with quickness and accuracy. Despite all of that, Winston actually has the same issue with underneath linebackers that Mariota has. Sometimes he’ll be so focused on the routes that his receivers are running that a linebacker from across the field can sneak under a throw. This is something he has to improve on.” –NFL Philosophy
January 16th, 2015 at 12:35 pm
“Most significantly, too many of Winston’s turnovers this season have been a direct result of his poor play, rather than something he could blame on a team. One of the recurring causes of Winston’s interceptions is his inability to recognize underneath coverage. Winston simply makes these plays that are inexplicable in terms of his thought process. He is an exceptionally smart quarterback from the pocket for the most part, but underneath defenders appear to lie in a blind spot for him. This is an element of his game that NFL defenses will attempt to highlight with flooded zone coverages and mixed coverages. It’s the kind of flaw that could prove fatal if it doesn’t improve significantly. ” –Rotoworld
January 16th, 2015 at 12:36 pm
Sorry you don’t like negative things about Winston, but he is far from perfect. So maybe you should STFU.
January 16th, 2015 at 12:39 pm
Also Pickgrin, the same analyst that wrote that still said this about Winston:
“It’s pretty simple. Jameis Winston displays all the traits that NFL teams want on the field and could probably start week 1 for whatever NFL team drafts him (provided he hasn’t done anything stupid off the field to prevent that). Marcus Mariota will have a good amount of necessary development of his skills to make himself a quality NFL starter but his ceiling is tremendous.
Ignoring the off-field concerns (which NFL general managers don’t have the luxury of doing), Winston is on a completely different level than Mariota. His skill set is more of a translation as opposed to the projection of Mariota’s skill set to the NFL. Winston’s skill set may just make him worth the risk with the first overall selection anyway.” -NFL Philosophy
January 16th, 2015 at 12:39 pm
Eric Says:
January 16th, 2015 at 11:46 am
oh and btw… both are heisman trophy winner and one has a National Championship… even more amazing.. you people amaze me
Sounds like you are talking about Gino Toretta or Tim Tebow…yeah, sign me up
January 16th, 2015 at 12:42 pm
@eric, its too funny you have to resort to name calling with your disagreements over other’s posts and opinions…..typical, and kind of makes you irrelevant…..
January 16th, 2015 at 12:43 pm
HEADLINES DECEMBER 17TH 2015 EDITION OF JOE BUC’S FAN:
JAMEIS WINSTON CHARGED WITH RAPE IN ORGY AT TEAM HOTEL IN TAMPA!! O.J. SIMPSON’S MEMORABILIA RECOVERED IN WINSTON’S CAR!
No one cares if Winston is nice. No one cares if he has problems. Penn is wrong…what do you call being surrounded by 5th year Seniors, Professional Coaches, and Team Captains at FSU?? They are supposedly adults. Of Course, so was Joe Paterno at Penn State and how many boys were permanently scarred.
How many passes will Winston throw while on the NFL Commish’s Exempt List. The Buc’s will pay #1 money to a guy not playing.
Tom Brady was the #199 pick! The #1 pick has a very low probability of playing QB1 for 15 years without being a bust. Get more picks..play the odds. Yes, the Buc’s need a QB. Glennon and McClown are horrible.
What about Bryce Petty? Why do we have to bet the farm on Crab Boy??
Greg Schiano
January 16th, 2015 at 12:44 pm
There is only one choice to be made, any QB that can go 26-1 is a no brainer. Has Winston been caught drunk driving? No. Smoking Pot? No. Doing ANY drugs? No. He was caught “stealing crab legs” in a mix-up at a Publix known for giving FSU players free food. He was never charged in a “rape” of a female student who freely got in a taxi to Winston’s apartment. Neither the police, State Attorney’s office or School found any validation to the cleat chasers claims. And he said something sexual in a lunch room.
Character problems?
He’s known as a beast on the practice field, in the locker room, on the sidelines and on the field. He is the most pro ready QB in the draft, he can throw all passes and read defenses. He was 26-1 as a starter, Heisman Winner and National Champion. Andrew Luck could only dream. Gator Haters hate. Now if only the Bucs had a brain.
January 16th, 2015 at 12:44 pm
if he was not winston he would have been arrested at least 3 times.
it will catch up to him
January 16th, 2015 at 12:47 pm
Play the odds?????????????????
So you are going to gamble on an accident in the sixth round? Isn’t it a bit too early to hit the Jim Beam?
January 16th, 2015 at 12:49 pm
OK Skyline- my bad – I forgot about the NFL Philosophy quote which you have posted about 50 times as if it were gospel (which is mostly positive anyway). I certainly don’t hear NFL people in general being concerned that Winston has any major “issues” when it comes to on the field play.
Bottom line for me – I’ve watched Winston play a bunch of games over the last 2 years. He is one of the most badass QBs I have ever seen play the College game – especially from a mostly pocket passer perspective which is exactly the skillset that translates best to the NFL. He is easily the most talented and pro-ready QB to come out in the last 3 years and its not even close. This with only 2 years of experience in College. I have 0 concerns that Jameis Winston will be a good NFL QB.
January 16th, 2015 at 12:51 pm
Armando,
Kellen Moore went 26-1 in his Freshman and Sophomore season. He went for a total of 50-3 in his college career.
January 16th, 2015 at 12:52 pm
Winston! thats all
January 16th, 2015 at 12:54 pm
@Pickgrin
That is fine. I never said he was a terrible QB. I just said those are some of the things that he needs to work on in the NFL. Otherwise, those interceptions will just keep coming. I want him to succeed and get better. That is why if we draft him these are the things I will be looking for him to improve on.
January 16th, 2015 at 12:54 pm
Skyline Crew for Mariota or Winston Says:
January 16th, 2015 at 12:33 pm
SINCE YOU CANT READ AN ENTIRE PARAGRAGH ILL HELP YOU OUT AND GIVE YOU ALITTLE LESS TO READ BECAUSE I DID SAY THE FOLLOWING AFTERWARDS…
IF this guy is half as good as we think he can be and he can be a day one starter…..If im not mistaken I think none of the quarterbacks you mentioned were day one starters, seriously joe some of your readers are dangerously slow
AND YOU GREG SCHIANO SIR YOU NEED TO SEEK PROFESSIONAL HELP IMMEDIATELY TODAY LIKE RIGHT NOW AFTER YOU READ THIS IF NOT SOONER
January 16th, 2015 at 12:55 pm
18 intereceptions…4 against the Gators…bad decison making both on the off the field. TRADE THE PICK if you can get the right deal
January 16th, 2015 at 12:59 pm
The pick is a Qb, period. Those who disagree are just plain wrong. Picking a QB doesn’t mean an instant turnaround, but it can mean setting your franchise up at the most important position for years to come. You can build a winner around a QB. However, you can have a team of all pros, but if you don’t have a QB, you’ll never win. Ever. Ask Arizona. Ask St. Louis. There is absolutely no debating this. You don’t build around offensive or defensive lineman. I love GMC and Lavonte. They are both fantastic, but they aren’t going to make us win. No position aside from QB is going to make us a winner. However, once GMC and Lavonte get a QB that can actually put up points, you just watch how great they become. They are going to be so much better when they have an offense that doesn’t put them back on the field after 3 quick plays.
The only debate is which Qb to take. I’ve been on the Mariota side for quite a while. However, while I still think he will be a fine NFL QB, I’m for Winston now. The more I read about his alleged “crimes”, the more they really aren’t that big of a deal. Obviously I would do my due diligence to make sure, but if the character checks out, I wouldn’t even hesitate to pick him. The Bucs have access that none of us have, and you can bet your arse they are going to know more about him than any of us could ever dream. What I see on the football field from Winston is pretty much exactly what I want from a true NFL franchise QB. I’m definitely no FSU homer (Gator fan), but the guy can flat out play. If you guys are scared of him because he drank soda from a ketchup cup, then that’s your problem (there were no rape charges, no matter how bad people want to pretend as if there was). Sometimes you just have to be a man and take a chance on someone if you think he’s worth it. I have seen nothing to lead me to believe Winston isn’t worth it.
January 16th, 2015 at 1:06 pm
The two stupidest arguments out there is that we shouldn’t draft him because he won the Heisman, and we shouldn’t draft him because he threw too many interceptions. The Heisman thing is ludicrous. You probably also believe in the Madden and Sports Illustrated curse as well. So ridiculous. Did anyone really think Tim Tebow was going to throw for 4000 yards in the pros? Did anyone really believe Alex Smith was the next Peyton Manning? Most of those guys who won Heismans were from gimmicky college offenses, which Winston is not (but unfortunately Mariota is). Peyton Mannings and Andrew Lucks don’t usually win the Heisman because they aren’t as dynamic as Johnny Footballs and Marcus Mariotas. They make mistakes (like the forbidden interceptions so many of you are petrified of, which is probably where the Mike Glennon love comes from). However, these are the guys that can still win games when defenses shut down the running game. These are the guys that can win games when the other teams have a great pass rush or a great secondary. These are the guys whose careers last more than a couple of flashy years, only to have the rest of the league catch up. Favre threw interceptions. Marino threw interceptions. Peyton trows interceptions. I’ll take them anyway of the week, especially over anything we’ve ever had.
January 16th, 2015 at 1:08 pm
HawaiianBuc Says:
January 16th, 2015 at 12:59 pm
“I wouldn’t even hesitate to pick him… What I see on the football field from Winston is pretty much exactly what I want from a true NFL franchise QB… the guy can flat out play.”
Well said Hawaiian. This is exactly where I am at.
January 16th, 2015 at 1:09 pm
bucs4lyfe Says:
January 16th, 2015 at 12:54 pm
Skyline Crew for Mariota or Winston Says:
January 16th, 2015 at 12:33 pm
SINCE YOU CANT READ AN ENTIRE PARAGRAGH ILL HELP YOU OUT AND GIVE YOU ALITTLE LESS TO READ BECAUSE I DID SAY THE FOLLOWING AFTERWARDS…
IF this guy is half as good as we think he can be and he can be a day one starter…..If im not mistaken I think none of the quarterbacks you mentioned were day one starters, seriously joe some of your readers are dangerously slow
AND YOU GREG SCHIANO SIR YOU NEED TO SEEK PROFESSIONAL HELP IMMEDIATELY TODAY LIKE RIGHT NOW AFTER YOU READ THIS IF NOT SOONER
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I read your full posting the rest of drivel had nothing to do with what I commented on. You specifically said drafting a QB puts you on the National stage. I said I don’t think it does. Whether a QB starts or not has nothing to do with what you said. Maybe you should change your posting to say “drafting a starting quarterback puts the national spotlight on the bucs and makes them relevant on the national stage.” However, even then I would dispute that as I did already. Maybe instead of trying to be an internet bad ass you could just use some reading comprehension and understand what people are saying and then maybe answer them. However, you somehow insist on being internet ass.
Also, Carr started from day 1. I bet you hate being wrong all the time don’t you.
January 16th, 2015 at 1:20 pm
People also seem to be forgetting something here: Lovie can’t draft a QB and have him lead the team to 3-5 wins or he has no job. The notion that drafting a QB buys him time is insane. By that logic he can draft Mariota, go 4-12…and then draft another QB next year and get even more time. It can essentially be a perpetual cycle of “getting another year” because he drafted a QB. He needs wins next year, a drafted QB is a temporary exciter to the fanbase. But another bad season and it matters not who he drafts, he’s fired.
Anyways Lovie will ultimately convince himself Leonard Williams and GMC will make them a top 5 defense and that Glennon/McCown can win 9 or more games. For as much as Lovie has never been in position to draft a QB, he’s also never been in position to draft a monster, stud DLineman. Lovie can’t change who he is, he didn’t last year, why would he now?
January 16th, 2015 at 1:21 pm
17 interceptions against bad competition. Now that’s a concern. Just because he may be the best prospect in a weak QB class does not mean he is fantastic. That’s like saying that liver is fantastic because it’s better than brussel sprouts
January 16th, 2015 at 1:23 pm
@Skyline Crew for Mariota or Winston
It’s ok bro you’ll be ok even though you think what you had to say was actually important too me as if I was actually talking to you in my post to begin with….I don’t know anything about Carr because not many people do and that’s probably because they’re roster is filled with even less talent than our team has. I said it could put you in the national spotlight in the beginning of my post and what I said after was the REASON I believe it and the fact that I have to explain that too you means theres something wrong with you not me. you want to bring up bortles, carr and manziel but didn’t bring up Andrew luck and that’s obviously because you think your opinion is a fact. if you think talking common sense is being an internet bad ass then again that’s a you problem and you should try to figure out what your so sensitive.
January 16th, 2015 at 1:25 pm
Can’t wait for the meltdown here if Winston is the pick.
January 16th, 2015 at 1:26 pm
First off I’ll start by saying I do not have preference for any college team(only room for the Bucs). But I’ve always hated FSU and loved watching them lose. That being said I want Winston, I do understand his off the field distractions can’t be ignored but honestly everything besides the rape allegations has been taking out of proportions by a sensationalist media. And in regards to the rape allegations, it was looked into and there wasn’t enough evidence to do anything with. I’m 22 years old, and people my age are doing a lot worse things than shouting obscenities and having BB gun matches, or even shoplifting for that matter. What I do like to hear is that he is motivated and a hard worker and a leader.
January 16th, 2015 at 1:27 pm
@ Hawaiian
I am curious about your opinion change….is it truly that you have researched Winston’s off-field issues and deemed them not as much a factor as you used to…or has Mariota’s style/system become more of a hurdle for you especially since the National Championship Game?…..or both?
January 16th, 2015 at 1:32 pm
Celebration you mean!
January 16th, 2015 at 1:33 pm
And there’s enough game tape out there that if you watch it objectively, you’ll see he is our best option at #1. He hasn’t come close to reaching his ceiling, his a sophomore in college for christ’s sake. Koetter will put him in position to succeed though we need a good QB coach as well to spend a lot of time developing Winston.
January 16th, 2015 at 1:36 pm
@bucs4lyfe
Whatever helps you sleep at night man. You should just change your post to “if you draft a certain QB you get national spotlight.” By JUST drafting a QB does NOT put you in the national spotlight and that is a fact. If you want you can say “Drafting Winston will put the Bucs in the National Spotlight”. I would agree with that. If we drafted Petty or some other QB besides Mariota or Winston I don’t think it would put us in the National spotlight regardless of who is on our team.
January 16th, 2015 at 1:36 pm
Pattern of behavior is the big issue! Stealing, shooting windows $4000 in damages, yelling obscenities, rape accusation! Jameis and his buddy video taped the encounter with the victim, but the tape has disappeared from the face of the earth! Only one reason you get rid of evidence!
January 16th, 2015 at 1:36 pm
Williams was already corrupted before Jackson got here. Him, Freeman, and DJ Winslow Jr. went out and partied far to much. I don’t think there was much he could do about that but since then, there hasn’t been to many issues anymore with trouble makers on this team. Schiano cleaned house and Lovie just has a way with players he gets their respect and they seem to keep it clean.
January 16th, 2015 at 1:51 pm
“Joe Says:
January 16th, 2015 at 1:32 pm
Can’t wait for the meltdown here if Winston is the pick.
Celebration you mean!”
I meant by the vocal minority. You know, the “I will never by a ticket again”, “he’s a rapist”, etc. crowd. Those guys will flip out.
I will be cheering with you, Joe.:tries to not visualize Jerruh and Chris Christie.:
January 16th, 2015 at 1:56 pm
Penn endorsed the last #5 that played here, with a similar skill set, who WASnice before Bat-Schiano crazy coach drove him nuts.
…if recall…I believe Vincent Jackson was here too…
Hmmm…wonder what happened?
Why do we suddenly need to draft ANOTHER 1st round QB, when we just drafted one a few years ago?
…
None of these people have anything to lose WHEN Famous Jameis blows up, OFF the field…nope, they’ll be whistling and turning their heads away from any who remind them of the endorsements – AFTER this space cadet unravels. They may even be the first to call for the head of Lovie & Licht…
‘ain’ta gonna happen….he’s WAAAAYYY too much risk.
Wouldn’t surprise me if we take the most NFL ready edge-rushing DE with the first pick- then take a guy like Bryce Petty in the 2nd round…who looks to be more in-line with what Koetter has worked with in the last couple of years.
Not saying that would be my choice, but if I’ve learned one thing in my long Buccaneer fandom, it’s that coaches from Tony Dungy’s coaching tree – don’t make for exciting draft parties….
January 16th, 2015 at 1:58 pm
@carlstoe you would be shocked at the things that I saw in the Navy back in the 80’s. Most of the stuff that Winston is “alleged” to have done in nothing. Phone Card stealing, dine and dash incidents, brothels…I could go on and on and for the record, NO ONE has a dirtier mouth than sailors, it’s not just a saying. Most of these college kids do exactly what Winston did and I bet a fair amount of people on this site did worse. The rape allegations are indeed disturbing but from what I can gather, there was he would have been convicted with the stuff out there.
Pick Winston, say a few Hail Mary’s and enjoy winning football again.
January 16th, 2015 at 1:59 pm
I will say this ONE more time for those of you have not seen me post it at least Five times before. The fact that I am a Gator Alum has NOT ONE IOTA to do with my disdain for Jameis Winston. IF he were the QB at Fla I would feel the Exact same way about him, When Cam Newton were at Fla behind Tebow and was going to come in and win us another possible NC, I was LOUDLY against him and his actions. Stealing and getting caught TWICE was not the type of QB I wanted to get behind. So for all of you that think I am a homer and thats why I am against Jameis Winston, you are wrong. If we draft him I will still support the team however I will need to see a couple yrs of no off field incidents and a character change before I will support the man.
January 16th, 2015 at 2:02 pm
Somehow, I just can’t see Winston throwing temper tantrums on the Buc’s sidelines and screaming in Lovie’s face like Jimbo let him do. Just because somebody gets older doesn’t mean that they acquire good character, they just become an older version of themselves. There are teams all through the NFL that are going nowhere because they over-drafted a QB in the first round out of desperation
January 16th, 2015 at 2:03 pm
[WAY out of line. — Joe]
January 16th, 2015 at 2:03 pm
@Joe
Didn’t Mike Glennon also come out of a pro style college offense?
January 16th, 2015 at 2:07 pm
He never pulled that stunt with Mike Martin.
January 16th, 2015 at 2:14 pm
The quickest way to get more wins is to pick up Hoyer, draft Williams, pick up OL in FA and the draft. This will not get us to a Super Bowl though. I think we should take a shot on a potential franchise QB, as it may be years (if ever) before we get the chance again. Even if we blow it, at least we took the shot.
January 16th, 2015 at 2:17 pm
I wonder, if it was your daughter if you’d feel differently about the pick?
January 16th, 2015 at 2:20 pm
“Just because somebody gets older doesn’t mean that they acquire good character, they just become an older version of themselves.”
Brooks had the foot locker scandal. Didn’t affect him one bit.
Sapp had all sorts of red flags. While a douche off the field, he’s now in the Bucs Ring of Honor.
The reality is neither of us know how it will unfold. So, stop acting like you know something that you don’t. You are guessing. There’s professionals in NFL front offices who are paid to pry into all prospects’ backgrounds. I’ll rely on them, not any message board posters (including myself).
January 16th, 2015 at 2:24 pm
@Skyline Crew for Mariota or Winston
I’ll agree to disagree with you so you can find someone else to stalk, you really should find something meaningful to do than argue with someone as if your opinion is fact….I made my point if you don’t agree deal with it and move on girlfriend but if you don’t think that if we start winning whether it’s due to quarterback play or not wouldn’t have everyone talking about the bucs and breaking down the qb play of the number one overall pick your just stupid. it would happen whether its mariotta or Winston like it did with every other qb that won as a rookie including RG3….just shut and keep your comments to yourself no need to respond just move on
January 16th, 2015 at 2:25 pm
@David
And I wonder, if it was your son, would you be so quick to believe the lying cleat chaser despite all the evidence?
January 16th, 2015 at 2:29 pm
Winston is can’t miss great. There is a sucker born every minute and two to take him.
January 16th, 2015 at 2:37 pm
AND Pro Football Hall of Fame!
January 16th, 2015 at 2:51 pm
Winston is by far the superior QB. His off field issues mean squat to me. Winston will bring instant hope to the franchise and start from day 1 selling tickets along the way. Mariotta — not so much.
January 16th, 2015 at 2:59 pm
haha Yes Ma’am
January 16th, 2015 at 3:01 pm
@Tampabaybucfan,
First off, I was never AGAINST us drafting Winston. I have always admitted I am biased towards Mariota, because of the Hawaii connection. I also enjoy watching Oregon, and Mariota is spectacular in that system. My biggest issue with Winston has been his off the field stuff, but the more I have read about it, the more comfortable I am with taking a chance on him (in reality, you take a chance with every player).
I’ve also been steered towards Winston due to hearing from experts the same thing I knew myself – he’s more pro ready. He looks like a guy you could plug into an NFL offense tomorrow and be good almost immediately. On the field, he is a much much safer bet. Mariota has a far greater chance of being a bust, simply because of the system he plays in. I don’t think he will, but his chances are higher. First and foremost, give me a guy with great skill over great character. I’d love to have both, but if I have to choose, I know which way I’m going.
January 16th, 2015 at 3:36 pm
Joe, can you dump the stupid Jameis line you open these blog entries with? I don’t want to have to click in to know what the entry is talking about. All I learn from your main page is that he shoots BB guns and steals crab legs, and I knew that the first 50x you told us.
January 16th, 2015 at 3:45 pm
welcome to the dark side, hawaiian.
January 16th, 2015 at 3:54 pm
@JOE
He never pulled that stunt with Mike Martin.
Hilarious… Mr. Martin would have handled that swiftly and decisively. Love Mike Martin… I’d had hoped for better world series results but the man is a legend.
January 16th, 2015 at 3:56 pm
Simeon, Joe tries to delay as much content as possible til after the ‘read more’ link bcuz it increases his page views and therefore contributes to increasing his site revenue…. Are you trying to take food outta Joe’s mouth. C’mon man, let a brother eat! Anyway, I still don’t think the Glazers have the stones to draft Winston and risk the PR fallout. Also, Lovie will keep it Christian and have faith in Mariota’s ability to develop as a pro style QB. Those of you who are in denial, just watch.
January 16th, 2015 at 5:02 pm
The debate rages on!
January 16th, 2015 at 5:10 pm
Erik…no denial what so ever here. I think the Glazers want Winston just on the fact that he’s FSU alone.
Let alone the talent.
There’s actually numerous reasons on my side and only a couple for Mariota.
Mariota’s a nice guy and he can run quick.
January 16th, 2015 at 5:14 pm
This from Buc Nation.
According to Charlie Campbell of Walter Football, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers currently prefer Jameis Winston to Marcus Mariota.
Sources say it is early in the process, and things could change in the months to come. Coaches getting involved in draft evaluations can make a big difference in a team’s thinking. However, our sources don’t view that as likely. They say that as long as Winston interviews well and doesn’t get into trouble in the months leading up to the draft, they feel that he will be the top pick in the draft.
January 16th, 2015 at 5:26 pm
Bucrightoff, Ray Rice, Db55, Taxamon and the rest of the gaggle of trolls don’t have season tickets now and wouldn’t buy them if Tom Brady was the QB. They are either to cheap or lazy to get away from tier computer keyboard to go to a game.
Season ticket holder. LOL. Hee haw, hee haw.
January 16th, 2015 at 5:29 pm
The Donald ate his way out of a job and got a huge wake up call and pay cut when the Bucs cut him last year cause we wouldn’t stay out of the buffet lines.
Look for more of the same this year.
January 16th, 2015 at 5:29 pm
“There are currently only Four QBs playing in the league that are No. 1 overall picks. Newton, Luck, Alex Smith and Peyton Manning. Only one of those is in the playoffs currently.” — gatorbuc17
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This is simply wrong. Carson Palmer, Eli Manning, Matt Stafford, and Sam Bradford (yeah I know he was hurt this year) were also #1 overall picks.
Perhaps the reason some of you don’t want to take a QB is because you’re operating under the false belief that they are often found elsewhere. 1 out of 4 QB’s come from the #1 pick. Half of them come from the 1st round. This belief that we should wait for the next Brady or Wilson will have us waiting another 10 years.
January 16th, 2015 at 5:47 pm
Speaking for Pablo
“Pablo is dizzy by all this debate over the QBs…..All Pablo needs to know is do they wear boxers of briefs? Pablo has already made it known that he wants to trade down….pick Cody Fajardo from Nevada and bring in Mark Sanchez to mentor him”
January 16th, 2015 at 5:48 pm
How long before he is caught Winslowing in the RJS parking lot?
January 16th, 2015 at 5:49 pm
I would buy season tickets if I could afford them. Some of the cheap and lazy are Bucs fans also. When the team shows promise the stadium will fill up.
January 16th, 2015 at 6:27 pm
Oh my god Patrick you are so ignorant. I have zero doubt that the Glazers will step in if Lovie even considers not taking a QB first. In fact I would say it was probably somewhat likely they put a call in during that final game and told him to make sure we lost to lock up the first pick and it wasn’t so they could take a lineman. If they take a DE first I won’t even watch them on TV next year. If they take Winston season ticket sales will explode. This is a business and the owners know what needs to be done and that is give fans some hope and a reason to start going to RayJay. Any idiot can see that this franchise is completely irrelevant and the only way to get fans excited is to take that potential franchise QB.
January 16th, 2015 at 6:41 pm
@87
I know good and well your ex Freemanite past 87, and you know me good and well too jejejeje. No need to get defensive old friend. I have always and will always pick on you about that banner. So will Couch for that matter 😉 :P.
So your saying your also the Buc1987 account commenting on this thread as well?
January 16th, 2015 at 6:44 pm
This should kill the debate.
On ESPN, @MarkdominikESPN said that as of today he would take Marcus Mariota if he was still GM of the #Bucs.
January 16th, 2015 at 6:56 pm
I live in SC! Season tix are NOT going to happen with me….at least until I retire in Florida.
January 16th, 2015 at 7:07 pm
He also said yesterday on the radio/tv segment he would take Winston, Dom is a flip floppin fool rofl.
January 16th, 2015 at 7:08 pm
And for us that live in SC atleast we have the Panties game to go to every year.
January 16th, 2015 at 7:20 pm
[]_[]Buc
Only 3 hrs for you to go to Atlanta….could do one of those too!!!
January 16th, 2015 at 7:27 pm
Oh Atl and Charlotte are on the list this year.
January 16th, 2015 at 7:33 pm
Why didn’t that cross my mind lol.
Gotta buy both those tickets this year.
January 16th, 2015 at 7:58 pm
PRBucFan says :
“So your saying your also the Buc1987 account commenting on this thread as well?”
I knew it was you.
Yeah well one computer I have has 87ForJameis already logged in so I just keep it that way.
On my kids computer Buc1987 is logged. Sometimes My kid likes to kick me off my computer and use mine,
or Joe just thinks I’m cool and let’s me get away with it! 🙂
January 16th, 2015 at 8:00 pm
Tampabaybucsfan- Most of your (poker buds) national friends, mock draft experts and even Hawaiianbucfan have pretty much done the same thing and changed their mind and switched to Jameis. Come April I think it will be pretty much unanimous. Jameis#1, Marus M. #6 is where I believe they go. I really like MM and I hope he develops into a solid NFL QB but Jameis is best best QB since Luck and it’s not a difficult choice IMO.
January 16th, 2015 at 8:11 pm
Stanglassman…you’re FSU too, right?
I’ve seen what this kid can do and have been drooling since week 3 of 2013.
I sat in the stands at Ray Jay with another FSU fan during the 2013.
Throughout that season I used to tease that dude next to me. Saying to him “look out at that huddle and imagine Winston in it.” The dude would just freak every time I said it. I never got his number, but I know damn well he thinks about me every time Winston and the Bucs come up.
It’s going to be a dream come true for me. I won’t be let down on draft day, because I know they will take him.
I live in podunk Pasco county. If they draft him with that pick, people in Tampa are going to hear hollering out in my front yard.
January 16th, 2015 at 8:28 pm
Ahhh I see I see. Always good to talk bro.
And no surprise your full throttle with Winston!
Ahaha
January 16th, 2015 at 8:43 pm
“I live in podunk Pasco county. If they draft him with that pick, people in Tampa are going to hear hollering out in my front yard.”
i guess you’ll fit right in then…lol
January 16th, 2015 at 9:07 pm
I’m must curious here. Not to compare Jameis to Cam Newton other than we’re talking about the possibility he’d be a #1 pick. In fact I think Jameis has more upside than Newton.
And so would everybody here be thrilled to have Cam Newton as our QB. Sorry but count me out. Yes he can get to the playoffs. Yes he’s a winner, at least at Auburn, but he’s just scary. He runs with reckless abandon, and his judgment is sometimes suspect. Yeah great rookie season and he’s on a bad team, but I’d rather have Joe Flacco or Matty Ice than Newton, not to mention Russell Wilson, Rodgers…well you get it…
January 16th, 2015 at 9:16 pm
I truly can’t believe the debate on this site about these qbs. If one can simply read about the facts in each of the”issues” with Jameis they would see they have all been majorly over blown. After that our it is all about do you want the Bucs to win or not? Talent wise the players are not even comparable. One is a QB the other is a athlete pain and simple.
January 16th, 2015 at 9:18 pm
@Stanglassman
You may be right….once the due dilligence has been done and the media starts to show Winston in a more favorable light…
I was about 60-40 for Mariota….now I’m about 52-48…..
January 16th, 2015 at 9:36 pm
mariota lost points because he didn’t handle getting hit well in the championship game. there will be bigger guys hitting him than that buckeye linebacker.
January 16th, 2015 at 9:44 pm
Lurker
Are you really serious? You’re making your decision based not only on ONE game but ONE hit. A hit which was borderline roughing and would get called in the NFL. A hit that the kid came back from.
Some of the arguments made on this site just amaze me.
January 16th, 2015 at 10:18 pm
Mr. Patrick Says:
January 16th, 2015 at 11:46 am
Winston is nothing more than a cross between Ryan Leaf and Byron Leftwich with a little bit of Pacman Jones mixed in. Do you really think that the Glazers want somebody like that as the face of their franchise? NOPE. Plus Lovie and Licht know that they can’t miss on this pick. They will draft the safest pick possible. I look for them to pick Williams at #1 or move down a little and pick Peat. Just watch
Are you basing your assh$le I mean opinion on anything other than prejudice?
January 16th, 2015 at 10:18 pm
Lol st Pete I’d rather have Joe Montana I his prime. Winston is much better than Cam also
January 16th, 2015 at 10:19 pm
lurker…LOL
January 16th, 2015 at 10:19 pm
StPeteBucsFan Says:
January 16th, 2015 at 9:44 pm
Lurker
Are you really serious? You’re making your decision based not only on ONE game but ONE hit. A hit which was borderline roughing and would get called in the NFL. A hit that the kid came back from.
Some of the arguments made on this site just amaze me.
You should take a crack at viewing your arguments objectively.
January 16th, 2015 at 10:20 pm
Mr Patrick is in for a rude awakening.
January 16th, 2015 at 10:24 pm
Joe..do you not remember the daily Manziel ‘circle-jerks’ you posted on a daily basis? Unfortunately, I’ve never held this site to the same standard you worked so hard to gain over the years. Obviously, you found a ‘system’ that works for you, but from a football perspective, its turned into a ‘circus’. If Winston bombs out for any reason, you, IMO, will lose any credibility you still have. Integrity is way down the list of priorities here, when IMO, its the most important thing you can achieve. Too bad we didn’t draft the last Qb you were obsessed with?
January 16th, 2015 at 10:25 pm
Mike Evans speaks :
“I know Oregon beat Florida State pretty bad, but I like Jameis’ game a lot,” Evans said. “I like Mariota’s game, too. Mariota reminds me a lot of Manziel. A bigger version of course. He won the Heisman. He’s a great player. His resume speaks for itself. I think Manziel creates a little more than Mariota. Manziel does some impossible things, but they’re very similar.
“And for Jameis he’ll stand in that pocket and deliver that ball. They’re both great players.”
January 16th, 2015 at 10:47 pm
bucs4lyfe Says:
January 16th, 2015 at 2:24 pm
@Skyline Crew for Mariota or Winston
I’ll agree to disagree with you so you can find someone else to stalk, you really should find something meaningful to do than argue with someone as if your opinion is fact….I made my point if you don’t agree deal with it and move on girlfriend but if you don’t think that if we start winning whether it’s due to quarterback play or not wouldn’t have everyone talking about the bucs and breaking down the qb play of the number one overall pick your just stupid. it would happen whether its mariotta or Winston like it did with every other qb that won as a rookie including RG3….just shut and keep your comments to yourself no need to respond just move on
….Your just Stipid…. Good Point!
January 16th, 2015 at 10:50 pm
@loggedon
“You should take a crack at viewing your arguments objectively.”
Happy to do so. Exactly which arguments do you find as outlandish as somebody narrowing a QB choice down to one hit. Got any specific example of anything I’ve said that freaking amazing.
You’re going to make the first pick in the NFL draft based on one hit?
Go ahead and point out which of my arguments you have a problem with and I’ll try a rebuttal Couched as nothing more than ad hom by you it’s pretty hard to rebut.
I guess I could go all school yard on you since that seems to be the level of your discourse. How about I know you are but what am I? Does that work for you?
January 16th, 2015 at 10:52 pm
Just curious. Do we suspect we might have some sock puppets amongst these posters?
January 16th, 2015 at 11:20 pm
TBBF…does not like all this in-fighting.
January 17th, 2015 at 12:11 am
87ForJameisNoMariota
TBBF doesn’t mind the infighting as long as it subsides after the decision and we support the choice…..I don’t like seeing fans becoming so entrenched that they will likely feel it necessary to continue the fight well beyond the draft…..that’s what I am concerned about.
Now…I know that you….87 will not be one of those….you will pationately support your choice and then accept it if it doesn’t go your way…then still pationately root for your Bucs like TBBF!!!
January 17th, 2015 at 12:19 am
@ Lurker
The hit on Mariota and “how he reacted” is meaningless…..how was he supposed to react…..how about the hit on ME13 that possibly cost us a game…how was he supposed to react?……did you get hit?…how would you know what it felt like?
Even I, a somewhat Mariota supporter could come up with many reasons not to draft him…but that play wouldn’t be on the list…..niether would the embarrasing fumble in the Orange Bowl by Winston….
January 17th, 2015 at 12:29 am
i have always liked winston more than mariota. mariota is weak-sauce. in the arizona game he could not create behind his poor oline. he got sacked many times. when his system gets shut down, he gets shut down…it happened in the championship game.
how is mariota different than manziel? most people here railed against johnny football saying he will break and get injured when he goes to the nfl…same with mariota. and we saw evidence in the championship game. he went out, then came back. he got his taco bell rung and went loco moco. i have seen winston make great passes through tight windows with men in his face knowing he is gonna get popped. he gets right up.
late hits happen and by bigger people than that lb. so yes, mariota lost some points, in my eyes, on that play.
January 17th, 2015 at 12:32 am
i think evans is soft too, tbbf. it was more than one game that he got a little owwey and couldn’t handle it.
January 17th, 2015 at 1:06 am
Take Winston. Don’t look back.
January 17th, 2015 at 3:16 am
1 out of 4 starting QB’s come from the #1 pick. Half of the starting QB’s come from the 1st round.
I’m not claiming anybody taken #1 (or in the first round) is destined for greatness…but I am STRONGLY EMPHASIZING the fact that few quality QBs make it past the first 40 picks.
We’ve got #1, which is were 25% of the starters come from. We need a QB. It’s that simple.
January 17th, 2015 at 7:27 am
TBBF…correct, but I’ll still be wearing my FSU Winston jersey to the home opener even if they take Mariota!
January 17th, 2015 at 2:08 pm
StPeteBucsFan Says:
Just curious. Do we suspect we might have some sock puppets amongst these posters?
Naw. Just you. 😉
January 18th, 2015 at 2:00 am
Why don’t all you FSU Fans cheer for the Jags, where you belong. Why don’t you also cheat on your taxes, like the rest of Tallahassee.
Go with Mariota, simply because he doesn’t have the filth of FSU attached to him.