Dunkaneers Dead?
October 30th, 2014
Mike Evans seemed to imply the “Dunkaneers” offense left with former offensive coordinator Jeff Tedford.
Remember how we heard all about the “Dunkaneers?” You know, the new brand of offensive football with the Jeff Tedford-led Bucs offense?
You remember, don’t you? Where quarterback Josh McCown heaves the ball deep and lets the taller than tall Tampa Bay receivers (Vincent Jackson, Mike Evans and Austin Seferian-Jenkins) just go up and get it; sky over cornerbacks for those long passes?
Well, Tedford as we all know is gone and it seems, so to is the Dunkaneers-offense. That’s the way Joe read it from none other than Evans himself. Talking to the Tampa Bay pen and mic club yesterday, Evans gave the impression the Dunkaneers offense is dead when asked why the Bucs seemed allergic to throwing deep against Minnesota.
“We like to establish a run first and foremost,” Evans said. “It’s just what the defense gives us – we take it. We take the underneath stuff, and most teams don’t like to get beat over the top. So we’re just taking what the defense gives us, and they haven’t been giving us many looks at the deep ball.”
Hhhmmm. Joe thought that with the tall receivers it wasn’t going to matter, that they were all going to out-fight the smaller corners of the league for the ball.
Oh, well. Guess like everything else in the offseason, it sure sounded nice.
October 30th, 2014 at 8:08 am
No big shock that the guy who was thrust in to the OC spot is not willing to take many chances. He’s just hoping not to screw everything up. He has zero confidence in his plays he’s calling because he’s making it up as he goes.
October 30th, 2014 at 8:09 am
This is Lovie’s offense now, Really he just wants to keep the clock running, so that the other team’s offense does not score in the 80’s!!!
October 30th, 2014 at 8:10 am
So if it’s not there you can’t throw it. That’s what he just said! But as we have seen the OL can’t block for either one but once in a while.
October 30th, 2014 at 8:10 am
We’ll probably never know for sure, but the loss of Tedford really derailed our season before it began. I can’t imagine Jeff Tedford wouldn’t have done a much better job than Arroyo, who is obviously in way above his head.
October 30th, 2014 at 8:17 am
Couple reasons why the Dunkaneers have been dead:
1) You have to throw the ball down field in order for WR’s to catch downfield receptions.
2) The offensive line has to block for more than a tenth of a second in order for Glennon to have time to throw the deep ball.
3) Glennon needs to trust his WR’s and throw the frick’in ball while they are covered and trust that they will be able to out battle the defender for the ball.
My knock on the offensive play calling isn’t necessarily the lack of shots downfield. It’s the lack of 3 step drops, slants, drags, and dig routes. If we complete some of those early, it wears on the defensive line and opens the opportunity up for deep balls. The problem right now is all of our pass plays take 5 seconds to develop and our line can’t hold up that long. If the safeties are taking the deep stuff away (like Evans said) kill the defense with the underneath stuff. Doesn’t take a genius to figure that out. Just good players and coaching to execute it!
October 30th, 2014 at 8:19 am
Our big WR’s are NOT speed demons. They are going to look covered all the time cause they are not going to burn anyone with speed. Trust them and throw it up!
October 30th, 2014 at 8:21 am
@Nate – that trust thing is the tricky part. Our play caller is scared of his shadow
October 30th, 2014 at 8:28 am
Even Demaryius Thomas and Calvin Johnson (Big receivers) catch more slants, screens, and ‘in routes than they do seam routes. It seems like our X and Z receivers just run seam and deep post routes all game with an occasional drag route here and there. Mix it up man!
October 30th, 2014 at 8:30 am
Wasted season with Glennon last year. Wasted season with Glennon this year. A franchise QB gets decent results with the cards he is dealt. No excuses.
October 30th, 2014 at 8:36 am
Why do you fools think Redford had heart issues?? He looked at this lousy offense and said oh crap. They couldn’t block against a college d line
October 30th, 2014 at 8:38 am
The coaches have to put the players in a position to succeed. They have to use the teams strengths to their advantage. The height advantage of the receivers should be used regardless of who the offensive coordinator is. It doesn’t look like Lovie understands this concept. He has enough talent on defense to be ranked better than 32nd in the league but they get burned on the same coverages. Change it up, adapt. Lovie is either not a good coach or too stubborn to change……maybe both are one in the same.
October 30th, 2014 at 8:38 am
Jim Said:
Wasted season with Glennon last year. Wasted season with Glennon this year. A franchise QB gets decent results with the cards he is dealt. No excuses.
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Just don’t like Glennon do you? It shows.
October 30th, 2014 at 8:38 am
Not sure if the Dunkaneers can actually dunk……they are not the only “walking dead” on this team, the entire team is a Zombie Nation, including Lovie, he look like the head zombie on the sidelines every Sunday…..dazed, confused, staring blankly in disbelief…..
Reminds me of the line from the Clint Eastwood movie “In The Line of Fire”……imagine the call to Lovie:
“Lovie, when you’re alone at night and the demons come, what do you see? Do you see the Falcons putting up 56 on you? Do you see your team unable to even slow down the Ravens’ offense? Do you see Joe’s man ASJ fumbling that ball in overtime……..??”
October 30th, 2014 at 8:41 am
@BoJim – There are some people that don’t understand that football is a team sport and they think that all the other players are just there to fill the empty space and the QB is a super hero. Jim is just one of the many that are lurking around this site.
October 30th, 2014 at 8:48 am
Excellent post nate_tweetz. 100% accurate.
October 30th, 2014 at 8:50 am
Sounds like Lovie has his scapegoat to fire this offseason to buy himself more time. Sorry Marcus.
October 30th, 2014 at 8:56 am
heaves the ball deep and lets the taller than tall Tampa Bay receivers (Vincent Jackson, Mike Evans and Austin Seferian-Jenkins) just go up and get it; sky over cornerbacks for those long passes?
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For that to even be remotely successful, the offensive line has to give the QB and WR’s the time to make it happen. Also pretty hard to accomplish when your always 3rd and forever and the defense is in pass protection mode. As much as JOE lives in lala land, you still can’t put the cart before the horse. #trenches
October 30th, 2014 at 8:58 am
“Sounds like Lovie has his scapegoat to fire this offseason to buy himself more time. Sorry Marcus.”
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Why does EVERYTHING with you have to do with Lovie? Do you think he should keep Arroyo? What would the great “bucrightoff” do?
October 30th, 2014 at 8:58 am
What he means is that the O-line cant hold a block long enough for them to get down field. So the defense “gives them” about 1.5 seconds to get open before Glennon gets run over.
October 30th, 2014 at 9:01 am
the succaneers are baaaack with a vengence
October 30th, 2014 at 9:02 am
curse of eric page…1-15 with a draft bust next year…just like this year. with this coach in charge who know what arrogant move he will make with the 1st pick in draft
October 30th, 2014 at 9:05 am
Hawaiian dude you are way, way, way too easy to bait. Seriously I can’t believe you haven’t figured out that’s what most people do to you. It’s funny to watch though
October 30th, 2014 at 9:05 am
@Rob That problem of Glennon not having time is both a player and coaching problem. If you don’t have good blocking up front keep your TE’s in to block or 2 RB’s in to block. I have not seen a 2 RB set all year. RB/FB yes, but not RB?RB. Why not try it? Put Rainey and Doug in at the same time for some plays. Some plays they can stay back and block others the can run screens or wheel routes. Bottom line is there are things the coaches can do to adapt the offense to get more blocking. The problem is they haven’t done it.
October 30th, 2014 at 9:13 am
So Arroyo don’t know how to throw to tall guys?
October 30th, 2014 at 9:13 am
while a offensive lineman is the most anti-climatic draft pick you can choose you know your team is serious about making the players they have better. trading all the offensive weapons out for rookies and free agents is a great way to ruin any chemistry your team has. Herron sheppard and even evans(to a lesser degree, not quite 1st round production), patton sims all replaced players and have done next to nothing. ASJ is the best of the bunch and he looked like a rookie being a rookie last week. Do you think having some high round linemen could have helped this year. Blowing the team up and drafting no defense or linemen working out for you Lovie? Enjoy your Tampa retirement I am sure you will last at least to the middle of next year.
October 30th, 2014 at 9:15 am
@bucrightoff,
Glad to entertain, but I hate to break the news to you, but I’m not really bothered by it at all. It’s fun to argue with you guys. Beats the hell out of working, which is what I’m supposed to be doing.
October 30th, 2014 at 9:22 am
Lovie probably never believed in Tedford’s offense, but trusted Tedford. Once he wasn’t in the equation, he would have dictated to Arroyo what was to be done. Hence the conservative, bland garbage we’ve seen.
My feeling of Tedford’s offense here would have been a great deal of short passing instead of the run. A spread offense with numerous slants and few deep balls.
October 30th, 2014 at 9:24 am
So if McCown does bad he sucks…but if Glennon does bad it’s the o-line…sounds like the same issue we had last year…makes no sense to me….guess what we needed last year is what we need this year, another qb.
October 30th, 2014 at 9:31 am
I feel bad for the season ticket holders, those who committed disposable income towards this team.
All of these coaches have knowledge about football and should have the ability to help Arroyo out with scheming and attacking the opposition.
They need a senior advisor to help Marcus or just bring in a new system since you will have a new QB.
October 30th, 2014 at 9:31 am
Lovie is head coach over the whole team=He sucks
October 30th, 2014 at 9:33 am
it sound stupid, and may be.
just pick an offense off the friggin madden game.
have the team master it/play it (cause you know they do anyway) and it will be second nature come game time
October 30th, 2014 at 9:41 am
How can you establish the run if your offensive line is weak?
How can you establish the run if your running backs are weak?
How can you establish the run if all your major pick ups in the off season were receivers?
Lovie is an idiot.
October 30th, 2014 at 9:48 am
The way I see it: Most people here know more about football that Lovie Smith and Licht, seriously!!!
October 30th, 2014 at 10:03 am
drafting 5 o linemen and a couple dbs might have been a good idea oh no Robert herrons 6 worthless catches would have been caught by Page and we would have had some o line help
October 30th, 2014 at 10:28 am
Its not what you say, its what you do! All this talk before the season, was just talk. Lovie is just like Dungy! Were NOT going to have an explosive offense! EVERYBODY IS LIVING BACK IN THE DUNGY YEARS, get over it! It’s over! Stop comparing everything to then, make your OWN mark on Bucs history. **As always, sell the team to Eddie, draft Markus, Hire an OFFENSIVE AGGRESSIVE Coach****
October 30th, 2014 at 10:30 am
Joe
The Dunkaneer is not dead, just it is now the QB.
October 30th, 2014 at 10:46 am
we will never know what kind of offense! we would have had. cuz tedford saw lovies coaching and had a heart attack!
October 30th, 2014 at 10:51 am
Right bucrightoff, I always post ludicrous inane comments out here so people will think I’m stupid.
Hawaiianbuc, many of these comments are just thinly veiled rants by racists who don’t like a black man as an NFL coach. Sorry, but true.
I wouldn’t think that if I hadn’t been reading them all the way back during meaningless preseason games.
So unAmerican.
October 30th, 2014 at 10:52 am
ChargedCBH ..<~~~~ sound familiar everyone?
"Lovie is just like Dungy! Were NOT going to have an explosive offense! EVERYBODY IS LIVING BACK IN THE DUNGY YEARS, get over it! It’s over! Stop comparing everything to then."
Ha ha ha I see I'm not the only one that saw what was going on, on this site. All the Dungy-Lovie comparisons during the off season clouded everyone's head.
October 30th, 2014 at 10:53 am
@charged I agree. you think donkey dungy would figure that out! his only superbowl is cuz he had peyton m. and they could score. and just a ok defense.
October 30th, 2014 at 10:53 am
@charged I agree. you think donkey dungy would figure that out! his only superbowl is cuz he had peyton m. and they could score. and just a ok defense.
October 30th, 2014 at 11:04 am
ddneast,
You’re post has to be the most stupid I’ve ever read. Why would a white racist (yes, there are black racists) even follow the NFL, where 85% of the players are black and most are multi-millionaires? A racist wouldn’t want anything to do with a league paying so much money to so many black men. Usually the only racists are those who label others as such.
October 30th, 2014 at 11:04 am
dungy and smith su.ck! period.
October 30th, 2014 at 11:05 am
You mean going all the way back to the Raheem/Freeman…who posted a better record in a season with less talent.
People ask me what “what is it going to take for you to believe in Glennon?” All he has to do is put together a winning season….hell, i’ll start supporting him if he can get near .500
October 30th, 2014 at 11:06 am
@lightning….
Your post has so much wrong in it, I don’t even know where to start.
October 30th, 2014 at 11:11 am
GO LIGHTNING! lol we don’t mean they s..k as people.just I personally don’t like there coaching styles. take it easy. just venting.
October 30th, 2014 at 11:12 am
ddneast Says:
October 30th, 2014 at 10:51 am
“Hawaiianbuc, many of these comments are just thinly veiled rants by racists who don’t like a black man as an NFL coach. Sorry, but true.
I wouldn’t think that if I hadn’t been reading them all the way back during meaningless preseason games.
So unAmerican.”
PATHETIC! I read every friggin thing on this site every single day and I see no “thinly veiled rants by racists”. Now I know who to look out for on this site though and pay no attention at all to.
Has anyone else on JBF read any “thinly veiled rants by racists”?
I hate to bring up politics in the blog, but shyte like this happened a lot during the first few years of Obama’s presidency. If you disagreed with what he was doing and told someone about it you were called a racist. Sorry, but true.
Hell people on MSNBC will swear up and down that the only reason Obama’s poll numbers are around 40% approval is that there is too many racists left in America.
It’s so easy to just pull the race card these days, it quiets anyone that dissents. No body wants to be labeled a racist so they hush up.
People like ddneast are the problem not the solution. I called Bush every name in the book, but the second I call Obama a bad name, I get labeled an instant racist.
I only bring up politics to prove a point. If this crap continues to happen when people start calling Lovie bad names, like they did with Schiano and then people like ddneast come out and throw the race card. Then it’s exactly the same damn thing most of us in America have had to put up with for the last 6 years.
The race card.
October 30th, 2014 at 11:15 am
lightningbuc….you’re right. I have an uncle that won’t watch the NFL at all for that very reason. He calls it N word ball.
October 30th, 2014 at 11:16 am
@ buc 1987 that’s true.
October 30th, 2014 at 11:18 am
not n ball what u said earlier
October 30th, 2014 at 11:28 am
mike h…I’m always for real. Nothing fake about me, my man. I had to tell someone on here the other day that I was 1/2 black just to make my comment not look so racist, which is the way he took it.
That of course was a lie. What’s not a lie is I don’t really care what color you are.
I’ve ran into so many people from all different races that are a-holes. I get along with just about everyone.
Some people like to say well, “I’m not racist because I have many black friends”.
People have heard that lame excuse from racists for years. For me the line goes like this. I’m not racist because I only have ONE, one true friend, and he grew up in a Cleveland hood. He’s a thug still to this day, but he’s my ONLY friend, not just one of my friends, but my only friend for nearly 20 years now.
I actually lost contact with him for about 4-6 months after the 2008 election. His wife kicked me out of their house and called me every name in the book, including racist because I was talking bad about the president. Now I ask you, who’s more racist? She defended him because of the color of his skin.
Needless to say, my black friend proceeded to punch holes in his walls and put his fist through his front window that day. He did it because he was so pissed at how she treated me.
Okay now let’s talk Bucs!
I don’t like people in general.
October 30th, 2014 at 11:33 am
Sounds like a certain defensive minded head coach meddling with the offensive scheme………
October 30th, 2014 at 1:27 pm
I shouldn’t touch the race thing other than to say that there are plenty of racists that watch and love football. I lived in Mississippi for 3 years and I learned that first hand. That’s a pretty silly example in my opinion. I have no idea if people don’t like Lovie because he’s black, but I would suspect if he was winning they’d like him just fine. However, I also don’t doubt he gets a little shorter of a leash by some (before everybody jumps me, notice I said “some”. If that offends you, then most likely you are the “some” I’m talking about).
October 30th, 2014 at 11:43 pm
ddneast Says:
October 30th, 2014 at 10:51 am
“Hawaiianbuc, many of these comments are just thinly veiled rants by racists who don’t like a black man as an NFL coach. Sorry, but true.
I wouldn’t think that if I hadn’t been reading them all the way back during meaningless preseason games.
So unAmerican.”
PATHETIC! I read every friggin thing on this site every single day and I see no “thinly veiled rants by racists”. Now I know who to look out for on this site though and pay no attention at all to.
Has anyone else on JBF read any “thinly veiled rants by racists”?
I hate to bring up politics in the blog, but shyte like this happened a lot during the first few years of Obama’s presidency. If you disagreed with what he was doing and told someone about it you were called a racist. Sorry, but true.
Hell people on MSNBC will swear up and down that the only reason Obama’s poll numbers are around 40% approval is that there is too many racists left in America.
It’s so easy to just pull the race card these days, it quiets anyone that dissents. No body wants to be labeled a racist so they hush up.
People like ddneast are the problem not the solution. I called Bush every name in the book, but the second I call Obama a bad name, I get labeled an instant racist.
I only bring up politics to prove a point. If this crap continues to happen when people start calling Lovie bad names, like they did with Schiano and then people like ddneast come out and throw the race card. Then it’s exactly the same damn thing most of us in America have had to put up with for the last 6 years.
The race card.
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Since you brought it up,
As far as the race card goes, that’s something some, not all folks say to deflect from their own actions. When folks deal the race card, it gets played.
As far as Lovie, he will be judged on his win-loss record, just like Dungy, Gruden, Morris and Schiano were. The last 3 Hc have been the same; defensive oriented coaches. The Bucs need to hire an offensive minded coach that will be aggressive when it comes to scoring. The Bucs are hard to watch a lot of times.
October 31st, 2014 at 3:02 pm
i think to get fans to care again, they should let us pick every 3rd down play via twitter poll or something. not like it matters at this point