“That’s Coach’s Decision. And That’s That”
October 13th, 2014
Mike Glennon remains the most interesting aspect to Tampa Bay’s season.
Despite all the Bucs’ question marks, the No. 1 question surrounding the team — and one that will drive the team’s future — is at quarterback.
Will the Bucs hierarchy move all-in with Glennon, or draft a quarterback to pair with a new offensive coordinator and start fresh with the offense?
There are 10 games left to evaluate quarterback play, which is why there’s not one shred of sense to start Josh McCown again. Glennon should get the head coach’s full blessing and how he handles that, along with his performance, should be studied.
However, Lovie won’t go all-in with Glennon. Not yet.
And Glennon won’t even go all-in with Glennon.
Asked yesterday whether he believed he’s done enough to be the starter if McCown returns healthy after the bye week, Glennon wouldn’t play.
“That’s coach’s decision. And that’s that,” Glennon replied.
It’s the right answer, but Joe sure wouldn’t have minded hearing Glennon act like a confident guy and give himself a vote, while also acknowledging it’s not his call.
Sadly, this kind of nitpicking is more pleasurable that analyzing the lousy play on the field Sunday.
(You can enjoy the full Glennon postgame audio below.)
October 13th, 2014 at 1:04 pm
There is no reason to go back to McCown. None. I don’t care how you feel about Glennon, him playing out the season only helps this team for the future. If Lovie puts McCown back in, he should be fired.
October 13th, 2014 at 1:05 pm
Here’s the dilemma. If the coaches are going to play or had plans on McCown being a two-year starter, McCown needs to start after the bye. If they’re looking towards the future and Glennon is apart of it, then Glennon needs to start. If Glennon isn’t the answer (and I have never thought he was), McCown should start and mop up if things get bad.
October 13th, 2014 at 1:06 pm
Rather, Glennnon go back to mop-up duty, rather.
October 13th, 2014 at 1:08 pm
Going back to McCown should get Lovie insta-fired. I mean there’s no way he can actually do it can he? Glennon is one of the few non-debacles this season and McCown is a major debacle. Lovie isn’t even thinking about it…right?
October 13th, 2014 at 1:10 pm
What is Glennon supposed to say after the beating he took yesterday?
October 13th, 2014 at 1:11 pm
Keep Glennon in as QB until all those sacks get the best of him. McCown does’nt inspire me, MG is way better, not even close.
October 13th, 2014 at 1:12 pm
Let McCown play the first half & Glennon the second…..Let McCown take the brutal beating…..
October 13th, 2014 at 1:12 pm
Ohhhhh the Glennon Mob! At least we deserve a good laugh after that defeat.
October 13th, 2014 at 1:14 pm
You know Lovie will start McCown.
There’s no way that he’ll miss the opportunity to prolong this sh*t show. It’s the way he’s been doing it his whole career and he’s not going to change.
Hope I’m wrong.
October 13th, 2014 at 1:14 pm
Lovely will pull glennon for mccown bc of glennon’s int yesterday. I think he hates all things schiano. Plus mccowns ints “weren’t all on him”.
October 13th, 2014 at 1:15 pm
Before you start claiming that Glennon is or is not the answer, somebody better get Arroyo some help-FAST
He may be possibly good at his original assistant job and trying hard as OC but lets face the facts: This is beyond his expertise.
Glennon is not only having to deal with the opposing defenses but also the less than adequate offense system in place by all coaches involved.
Very hard to tell how good or bad Glennon is in this environment.
Get a real OC in there right away and give Arroyo back his reg job
and then we can get a better evaluation of Glennon
Trying to evaluate him in this mess is just conjecture
October 13th, 2014 at 1:16 pm
This is how bad it is I watch the first quarter of the game on Sunday found something better to do and I don’t care who love you starts at quarterback I have no faith in him or his decision-making skills or talent scouting skills at all this team is awful worse than Greg Schiano’s
October 13th, 2014 at 1:16 pm
I dont think there is any dilemma with the QB situation. Josh McCown sucks! I think you let Glennon play out the rest of the season and get some more experience. He’ll get PLENTY of opportunity to look good against prevent defenses and hopefully get decent trade value.
If not he can backup the QB we draft or start the first few games next year if we decide to sit the QB we draft, which would depend on what we do in the draft.
Do we trade down our high 1st round pick and get more picks to turn over this HORRIBLE roster, or do you go all in with Mariota or Winston??? Thats going to be the REAL Dilemma!!
October 13th, 2014 at 1:17 pm
Here’s the real question with this team better be better today if Greg Schiano was still the coach… Funny answer is that even surprise me is that yes it would be
October 13th, 2014 at 1:17 pm
I think the question is really which quarterback gives us the best chance of a higher draft pick.
October 13th, 2014 at 1:17 pm
The “Dini” was telling Glennon on the sideline yesterday to lead. That is how bad things are, the leader of the team telling the afterthought starting QB to lead the team.
It is that bad.
October 13th, 2014 at 1:19 pm
Problem is, whoever starts (Glennon!) after the bye, we have to figure out IF we beat Minn. 1) is it because we had 2 weeks to solve some problems or 2) is it because Minn is in the bottom 1/4 of the league like us. At this point there are no easy games on the schedule when you 1-5 and have given up the most points in the league.
October 13th, 2014 at 1:20 pm
Keep McKown on the bench for the inevitable Glennon injury because his O-Line can’t block and he can’t scramble.
October 13th, 2014 at 1:21 pm
TAC Says:
The “Dini” was telling Glennon on the sideline yesterday to lead. That is how bad things are, the leader of the team telling the afterthought starting QB to lead the team.
It is that bad.
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Just like Dini was leading his defense yesterday?
He should have done a Cam and put his own head under a towel.
October 13th, 2014 at 1:22 pm
The funny thing is that even if we had Manning, Rodgers, Luck, Brady, etc @ QB we still would’ve got our ass kicked yesterday! If you think the offense is REALLY the issue than you haven’t been watching the 13′-14′ version of the Bucs! The D needs to give the O a chance to even really show if they stink or not! By your 2nd possession you shouldn’t be down 14-0 damm near every wk!
October 13th, 2014 at 1:22 pm
14′-15′ version of the Bucs*
October 13th, 2014 at 1:23 pm
It is much more likely we will trade for xtra picks than draft a QB….this team needs
CB, S, 2DEs, LB, OG, OT…….
We need to cut Koenen now & give his $$$ to GMC….lock GMC up now!!!
October 13th, 2014 at 1:26 pm
I am officially starting the Gary Kubiak watchlist for head coach.
Kubiak
October 13th, 2014 at 1:27 pm
The problem is how do you evaluate Mike Glennon when he is getting drilled every other play? I say put McCown back in just to make him earn the 5 million he is making this season! If I hear the Big Dog state one more time that McCown is a franchise starting QB I am going to hurl!
I can’t believe Kyle Orton started for Buffalo yesterday and I am not in the NFL?? I had a winning record in Denver….beat the Steelers in a playoff game back when Arians was their OC, not this Lovie look alike Todd Haley!
These guys are playing like it is the last 4 games under Raheem when they were just trying not to get hurt. No aggression…no love for the game…need some football players….I am just blown away by how hard the Raiders played yesterday. The Raiders did not win, but they were competitive….their coach had them playing their guts out.
Two weeks ago everyone said New England was over as a franchise and Tom Brady should be benched. The coaches made changes and they were competitive…players played hard!
Time for some changes in Tampa Bay!
October 13th, 2014 at 1:27 pm
I would have cut Koenen at halftime.
October 13th, 2014 at 1:29 pm
@TBBF
I doubt GMC will want to return to this circus. He deserves a championship.
October 13th, 2014 at 1:31 pm
He’s done what he was supposed to do… show us he’s not starter material. That being said, McCown should start when he’s healthy since he’s the better QB.
October 13th, 2014 at 1:32 pm
I was with you Tampabaybuc fan until the GMC line. I’m not sure I want to dump that much money on a guy who historically has trouble staying on the field.
And while the awful defense is not totally on GMAC he’s not exactly lighting it up.
He has two sacks…the SAME as Michael Johnson…one more than Clinton McDonald. He trails both McDonald an Gholston in tackles. Where is GMAC’s great production?
I do agree however that we need to draft talent, not positions next year. We have sooo many holes to fill that even one draft is probably not enough and we’ve seen how these guys waste FA money.
October 13th, 2014 at 1:32 pm
Hey, if you had to punt as much as I’ve had to the last few years, you’re leg would be dead too!
Signed,
Michael Koenen
October 13th, 2014 at 1:34 pm
Glennon should be the starter the rest of the way putting McCown in now would serve no useful purpose. Yesterday was a total team beat down and not the fault of any one player. When he had time to throw he did well but was under a lot of pressure especially in the 1st half. We have a lot of problems on this team but QB is not one of them. We need an Oline that can block, a pass rush and a secondary that can actually cover someone.
October 13th, 2014 at 1:34 pm
Kubiak anyone, their offense looks good , right.
They have a new scheme and new personel, not affecting them so much.
i am sick of the excuses.
Kubiak knows what he is doing.
October 13th, 2014 at 1:34 pm
Bucs not that bad. Just poor coaching and scheme to this point.
1-Defense has decent talent just haven’t been well coached so far.top
15 last year with same dudes and their young. 4 pro bowlers on unit if you count David.
2)Receivers are decent: Jackson, Evans, Murphy, asj, Myers that’s decent
3) qb-Glennon has been decent has potential.
4) only units that have been awful are coaching and o-line
5) solution: draft all many o-line guys next year, fire tedford and get oc, fire Frazier and get Dc who can play multiple schemes. Not just cover 2 100% of time..
6) yeah this Years done. No shot at playoffs or winning record. But could improve fast with right moves.
October 13th, 2014 at 1:34 pm
@andres
Again, joking, right?
October 13th, 2014 at 1:38 pm
@Brent
You get the award today dude. Thanks for putting a positive spin on this bowl of turds. Amazingly I don’t really disagree with you. It’s just hard for me to admit that Lovie/Frazier and the guys suck.
Let’s face it. It’s the NFL…parity…teams simply do not lose like this because of talent or lack of talent. This is almost totally on horrid coaching, from preparation to schemes to play calling to utilizing the talent to it’s max. The Coaches have been abysmal failures.
October 13th, 2014 at 1:41 pm
If Glennon stays in there he won’t survive the season without injury. Mark it down and remember who said it.
October 13th, 2014 at 1:42 pm
@ StPeteBucsFan
GMC has slacked off a bit but still has the exceptional talent….I think his hand has slowed him down somewhat. He doesn’t have much help on that line.
Either lock him up or trade him…don’t just let him go!!!
October 13th, 2014 at 1:44 pm
I’m not knocking McCoy…but he’s no Warren Sapp and never will be. Warren Sapp took over games.
October 13th, 2014 at 1:44 pm
I could see us trading McCoy for a draft pick or two. Maybe we could trade VJax as well and get some more picks. Trade down and draft a whole new team.
October 13th, 2014 at 1:44 pm
St Pete BF, agree, there is enough talent on this team to at least be competitive. Even while the players adjust to the new schemes.
This a lost, clueless and heartless team who just weren’t ready to play.
For a home game and after 3 on the road too no less.
The Glazers and Buccaneers fleeced every single person who bought a ticket. It’s just shameful.
October 13th, 2014 at 1:47 pm
Buc1987 Says: If Glennon stays in there he won’t survive the season without injury. Mark it down and remember who said it.
Yeah, it was me. A few posts above yours!
Ha!
October 13th, 2014 at 1:48 pm
even if we traded for a whole new team, would you want lovie in charge of that talent?
I have seen enough. Sorry. Kubiak
October 13th, 2014 at 1:48 pm
Who cares now? Mob or no mob, the team sucks like a pool drain.
October 13th, 2014 at 1:49 pm
St pete bucs fan, I really think o-line and coaching are main issues. Other than 2 blowouts the only games we couldn’t have won. Honestly the only units thus far that have sucked, IMHO, are o-line coaching. If you don’t block or scheme a good team will route you.
October 13th, 2014 at 1:57 pm
Trade GMC?
You can’t. He’s a FA at end of year and his ’14 cap number is massive. No team has that room during the season and no team would give up picks for 8 games of play.
Let him walk.. He’ll command over 10million on the market and is just not worth it.
Look at the tackles, not the quick get off.
October 13th, 2014 at 1:59 pm
@TampaBayBucsfan
Agree with you completely. Either we sign GMAC to a long contract or get something really, really good in the draft. He might pull in several decent picks if we time the trade right.
October 13th, 2014 at 2:00 pm
Brent
Agree with you completely. NO team in the NFL has a talent differential as large as the two lopsided scores would seem to indicate. I think coaching really has to fall on the sword for this.
October 13th, 2014 at 2:07 pm
Could trade him now though for picks.
October 13th, 2014 at 2:10 pm
Bring in Rex Ryan as DC
October 13th, 2014 at 2:11 pm
Life is great until you become a Bucs fan.
October 13th, 2014 at 2:11 pm
Playcalling and scheme go along ways in winning. The Way to win games is to attack an opponents week first, then worry about balance second. The Buccs are too worried about being balanced. If a team is week against the pass, and even if it its not our team’s strength in this example, you attack that teams weakness as much as you can, trying to put up as much points as you can. then you can balance it out by running the ball or whatever to ice the clock. Same holds true if you’re playing the Broncos, you might want to run the ball on them a lot and pass a lot less to try and keep Manning off the field with long sustained drives. Gameplanning is so important. Play calls are so important, even with “talented” personnel.
October 13th, 2014 at 2:12 pm
err, meant to state above – to attack an opponent’s weakness first^
October 13th, 2014 at 2:13 pm
lol Chan…I missed it.
October 13th, 2014 at 2:15 pm
“Let him walk.. He’ll command over 10million on the market and is just not worth it.
Look at the tackles, not the quick get off.”
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So you want to get rid of our best player???? And you do not judge a 3 technique by tackles. That’s not his job. Warren Sapp never had more than 50 tackles in a season. Was he not any good either? A DT is supposed to protect the middle and funnel plays to others, and McCoy is the unquestioned best in the league at his position. That’s not me being a homer, that’s every single expert that has seen him play. He’s a first time All-Pro!!!!! He’s being doubled and tripled all game long because nobody else can breathe on a QB. But no, you do not get rid of one of our very few great players. I don’t care if he wants $20M per year.
October 13th, 2014 at 2:20 pm
I think if we were a better team, Glennon would be just fine as our QB. If we were who I thought we were going to be, his play would have us in first place in the South right now. But we’re not, and he’s not. That’s not a knock on him, but a knock on our team. There are only a few QB’s in this league that are good enough to carry a bad team, and I’m pretty sure not even the biggest Glennon homer can argue that he will ever be in that class. The only prayer we have to be a good team in the next year or so is to draft a guy like Mariota and have him somehow be great. I’m not even fully sold on Mariota, but he has a chance to be really special. I promise you this, even if we were to draft the next Lawrence Taylor, our defense would still suck. We just have too many holes.
October 13th, 2014 at 2:22 pm
Marcus Mariota. But knowing the Bucs will f*#k up and be in the 6th or 7th draft position
October 13th, 2014 at 2:23 pm
If we were to get 3 first round picks for McCoy, I still wouldn’t take it with our draft history. I’d take McCoy over another Clayborn, Adams (RIP), Talib, and Martin. Getting picks doesn’t mean squat if you don’t know how to pick. We clearly don’t know how to pick. Hell, if we didn’t have the #3 pick, we would have screwed up that pick McCoy’s year too.
October 13th, 2014 at 2:24 pm
Let McCoy walk?
Roflmao.
Yeah- that would improve the team!
Idiots
October 13th, 2014 at 2:26 pm
As a general rule, if me and Capt. Tim agree, we are right. It almost never happens.
October 13th, 2014 at 2:30 pm
I’m going to add this then I’m off site for most of the day. (Applause)
Despite all my bit*ching and moaning about Lovie. I’m still going to give him at least 3 years. Every coach deserves at least 3 years. Yes that includes Schiano (7-9 in his first season) as well.
That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.
October 13th, 2014 at 2:31 pm
Capt Tim,
THAT, yesterday, was actually Mason Foster playing linebacker for the Bucs, not his ghost that you saw in the Falcons game.
October 13th, 2014 at 2:33 pm
1987,
I’m with you on 3 years, but I think in today’s NFL, it’s not absurd to give a coach 2 years, if they are still regressing at the end of year 2. If you look like crap at the end of year two, it’s probably not going to get any better. I think you also have to really take into account if the coach has lost the locker room. If that happens, it’s over. Even though it looks really bleak right now, I’d still take Lovie over Schiano. This time next year, I might be singing a different tune.
October 13th, 2014 at 2:36 pm
McCoy is a great individual player but you have to ask if he makes players around him better.
He doesn’t exactly bring the Hardy or Warren tude’. And I’m not saying he has to. Somebody on the DL and LB needs to go badass.
Trading him now isn’t going to happen. Only a contender would reach at this point and none would have the cap room.
October 13th, 2014 at 2:37 pm
HawaiianBuc…that’s what I forgot to add. The team has to be showing progress by year 2 though.
That’s 2 in a row man. Yikes. First you and Capt Tim and now me too. lol
Okay I’m out of here. I have busy day for once. See ya tonight JBF.
October 13th, 2014 at 2:37 pm
I want to sign McCoy or get at least something for him. He is in the Revis category…teams will give up a pick for him to keep him from going to the open market….
My preference is to keep him.
As for Glennon…you have to ask….How good of a QB would he be if he played against our defense?
Our problems are widespread…..we desperately need another CB replacing LJ….and we need a middle LB and move Foster..we need 2 DEs…and we need a safety to replace Goldson.
As for the offense…we need a LT & perhaps a RG….
Our strengths right now are spotty…..I am very impressed with Louis Murphy and I think Evans & ASJ were great picks…I have hope for Sims….think he could be good & Herron could be a sleeper. This was a good draft but our FA pickups are all underperforming.
October 13th, 2014 at 2:39 pm
No matter how bad the draft history is, 3 first round picks is 3 first round picks. Obviously will never happen but if some team makes the call you’re crazy not to do it. McCoy is not going anywhere though, he’ll be franchised at worst. He and LVD are the only guys whose jobs are and should feel secured though. Everyone else needs to show they belong, this team has a plethora of issues.
October 13th, 2014 at 2:39 pm
Glennon is a third round draft pick whose better than all of the quarterbacks drafted in his class (nobody predicted that) and he still improving whats the debate he deserves a chance to be that franchise guy we’ve been looking for just get him some real protection and maybe a offensive coordinator this offseason. He has talent
October 13th, 2014 at 2:40 pm
I just realized something. In the last 4 years, I have been on hand for 10 Bucs games. In 2011, i was at the 48-3 loss in S.F. That same year, I was at the Falcons game where we were down 42-0 in the second (Matt Ryan was taken out in the second quarter!). In 2012, I went to the Falcons and Denver game, which started our 5 game losing streak and took us out of playoff contention. This year, I was at the Falcons game and yesterday’s game. I think it’s very clear I am the problem. Thankfully, I won’t be able to be in attendance for the Minnesota game, so we might have a chance.
October 13th, 2014 at 2:43 pm
GMC… No tackles, no sacks, no funneling.
There’s not alot to see with this guy. He’s good, but not 12 million a year good.
If we didn’t have a history – people see him & think about the glory days of Sapp and the antique Tampa2
If we don’t run that scheme, we don’t need to blow 12 million on a second contract, oft injured DT.
But, whatever….
October 13th, 2014 at 2:43 pm
2-3 years….I have seen enough….end of this year only because the are few options mid season….the game has past the monotoned drone by….
October 13th, 2014 at 2:44 pm
ChanEpic and Buc1987… I said the same thing essentially in the 6th post. Get in line…lol. It’s easy to repeat when we are all thinking alike.
October 13th, 2014 at 2:45 pm
even if we had all the talent in the world, would you want to hand it over to lovie?
before the season started, we said we had the deepest backfield we have ever had, and the recieving corps went from a major need to very good.
Now look at us, after handing it over to Lovie. Defense too.
Kubiak is the man
October 13th, 2014 at 2:47 pm
The only even good player GMC has played beside is Bennett. Imagine if he had the guys on Detroit protecting him. Instead it’s been Clayborn and T’eo and MJ$43 million down the drain. And he’s still one of the best in the game. Not his fault he’s mostly been surrounded by turds.
October 13th, 2014 at 2:50 pm
“GMC… No tackles, no sacks, no funneling.”
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You clearly don’t know what the hell you are talking about. I’m not going to argue with ignorance.
October 13th, 2014 at 2:52 pm
This idiot actually believes that McCoy would only be successful in a Tampa 2? LOL. Perhaps he thinks we ran a Tampa 2 last year. He’s going to be great in any 4-3 scheme. HE’S A FIRST TEAM ALL-PRO!!!!!!
October 13th, 2014 at 2:55 pm
Hawaiian, right, and two weeks ago you were telling me how good MJ90 was.
Turn off the media, ignore the jersey number and watch the player…assess his value in dollars
You don’t see 50million guaranteed there.
October 13th, 2014 at 2:57 pm
McCoy would probably be successful in a 3-4 system coached up by a Rex Ryan type. Can’t teach the natural things he has, he’s not a problem or anything close. This is part of the problem, we focus on minor issues (McCoy, Glennon) rather than the trainwrecks (Oline, pass rush, secondary).
October 13th, 2014 at 2:57 pm
No defending Michael Johnson. I said he played very well against Pittsburgh, which he did. Since then, pure garbage. I’ve seen every one of McCoy’s games for 4 years. He’s the real deal, on and off the field.
October 13th, 2014 at 2:59 pm
I am saying that the Tampa 2 puts a higher value on the 3 than other sets. If you run something else, you don’t need that expense
I’ll say it clearly — he very good, but not worth the money that he wants. This team needs three 4million players, not one at 12million
October 13th, 2014 at 3:00 pm
McCoy was a 1st team All Pro with Greg Schiano as his coach. McCoy won’t be an All Pro this year with the defensive guru Lovie as his coach.
October 13th, 2014 at 3:02 pm
I watch McCoy nearly every snap, because I firmly believe that the game starts up front. He was doubled on every single snap yesterday, and he was often chipped by the RB. Watch the game and tell me I’m lying. He was also held on numerous occasions, but wasn’t given the call. There is no player that can beat double and triple teams play in and play out. But teams can double him every play because we have no one else that is even a threat to the QB. This is the ultimate team game, and the line is a unit. But you just enjoy looking at the stat column, because that’s what uneducated (to the game of football) fans do. (of course, here comes the predictable laundry list of how much football experience you have)
October 13th, 2014 at 3:02 pm
“This team needs three 4million players, not one at 12million”
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That’s what they said about Revis. How’s that working out for us?
October 13th, 2014 at 3:10 pm
bucrightoff Says:
October 13th, 2014 at 2:57 pm
McCoy would probably be successful in a 3-4 system coached up by a Rex Ryan type. Can’t teach the natural things he has, he’s not a problem or anything close. This is part of the problem, we focus on minor issues (McCoy, Glennon) rather than the trainwrecks (Oline, pass rush, secondary).
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Best thing I have read in a while on here.
October 13th, 2014 at 3:14 pm
“McCoy would probably be successful in a 3-4 system coached up by a Rex Ryan type. Can’t teach the natural things he has, he’s not a problem or anything close. This is part of the problem, we focus on minor issues (McCoy, Glennon) rather than the trainwrecks (Oline, pass rush, secondary).
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Best thing I have read in a while on here.”
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No, you guys are wrong. We shouldn’t pay McCoy, but we should get rid of him and get 3 mid-level free agents in his place. All we need is a scheme where the middle of the line isn’t important. I’m sure there’s plenty of those schemes out there.
October 13th, 2014 at 3:18 pm
Hawaiian…. Why do you need to insult?
I am and have been a successful high school coach in NY/PA for 26 years. I actually get paid to put teams on the field
Before you degrade that, I will say that, yes, it’s not the NFL.
Different concepts have different requirements, the cover 2 needs interior pressure and zone coverage. GMC is more valuable than Revis
2014 NFL rules make this touch football. If you don’t press cover and jam the receiver quickly, he’s wide open. We see that every week.
Like the Bears 46, the Tampa 2 has been analyzed to death…and ruled into extinction.
Under the current rules, locking high end money into a player who’s not an elite pass rushing DE or cover corner is insanity. No DT is worth more than the franchise tag amount (9m)
October 13th, 2014 at 3:20 pm
went to the game yesterday. I have gone to Daytona beach when there are big waves. all the people swimming get knocked over when a big wave comes through. that was what it looked like was happening to the bucs offensive line. a giant wave of purple was knocking them on their butts. I wasn’t concerned so much by the sacks to mike glennon. just the constant shoving him around and his being pushed to the ground after he threw the ball each and every play.
October 13th, 2014 at 3:24 pm
The Bucs have no tradeable assets…except for maybe Glennon. McCoy is extra pricey and in a walk year. V-Jax is pricey and has hands like Roberto Duran far too often…Hawk is obsolete and pricey….this is fugly, folks!
October 13th, 2014 at 3:29 pm
“I am and have been a successful high school coach in NY/PA for 26 years. I actually get paid to put teams on the field
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LOL. So predictable. And I even called it. I’m done here
October 13th, 2014 at 3:33 pm
It’s easy to tell who knows football and who doesn’t based on their posts. You know who you are. Like those talking about the O and arroyo like they can stop opponents from scoring 28 points in a qrt. Or mankins playing well, not!, when he’s giving up sacks and safeties.
The problem is 100% on the defense and the def guru lovely smith and his pink fluffy unicorns.
October 13th, 2014 at 3:33 pm
We have a serious lack of talent and depth, letting our most talented player go doesn’t contribute anything, it leaves another hole to replace. If someone offers 3 firsts, yes do it but obviously that’s insane, it backfired on RGIII so much no one will do it for years. No one would do even two first round picks, it’s just not wise. Those picks don’t even include the money you have to pay him. He’ll be a Buc next year for sure because of the tag and hopefully they avoid that and get him long term.
October 13th, 2014 at 3:34 pm
Hawaiian… I can’t help what I do for a living. But thanks for the additional insult.
October 13th, 2014 at 3:37 pm
Your welcome.
October 13th, 2014 at 3:40 pm
Bucright… You can’t tag & trade a player in the same year.
Franchise GMC…yes but it sets up an acrimonious situation with the player.
All I ever said was don’t break the bank for him. He’s worth franchise tag money, period.
October 13th, 2014 at 3:41 pm
You should hurry up and get to practice coach
October 13th, 2014 at 3:42 pm
Hawaiian….it’s “you’re” not “your”
Illiterate.
October 13th, 2014 at 3:43 pm
My only problem with Lovie is hes stubborn if you know we dont have the talent to run his style of defense why keep running it this season?
October 13th, 2014 at 3:43 pm
GMC is apologizing to fan individually on Twitter. Hilarious.
October 13th, 2014 at 3:45 pm
LOL, yeah I’m illiterate because I misused a word on Joebucsfan. You got me.
October 13th, 2014 at 3:45 pm
LOL… We won Friday night, in first place in our division and have an easy one this week. Gave the boys the day off
October 13th, 2014 at 3:45 pm
Glennon is serviceable at the very worst. Lovie won’t have much support if he switches back to McCown.
October 13th, 2014 at 3:46 pm
The franchise tag approach is the much costlier approach. Considering how much has been wasted on unperforming FAs, why waste even more money? Tag keeps going up and the Bucs can’t afford him anyways. We don’t need a show me season from him, he’s proven with little help how good he is. Drew Brees would have had 500 yards last week without GMC. He and LVD are the only reasons the defense isn’t an even worse debacle.
October 13th, 2014 at 3:52 pm
The tag will be about 9.50million…one year guaranteed. With 12.50ish the next year on a second tag
He will want the standard second contract deal. 5 years, 60+million with 48million guaranteed.
That puts about 20% of entire cap in the four starting Dlinemen
Expensive
October 13th, 2014 at 3:58 pm
@CB Buc,
You shouldn’t be writing on JBF the day of a game:
October 10th, 2014 at 3:34 pm
MJ90 was a huge mistake. An overreach by Lovie trying to re-envision Sapp & Simeon (not even close) 80 invisible snaps last week.
If he’s injured to the point he can’t contribute, sit him…otherwise, quit with the excuses
October 13th, 2014 at 4:01 pm
Dear MR Glennon….don’t stress the glazers are falling in love with you if they aren’t already. Lovie would never replace you unless 1 you quit or 2 you retire. All this losing you have been enduring mr MG has finally come to an end. We fans have been waiting on you or savior for quite some time we will praise you like a god for every w we will pay you like manning for every w hell we would build a dome stadium for you only if U can Win in keep winning. What I’m saying is MR MG IS THAT YOUR IN CONTROL OF THE SHIP UR SAILING INN NOT LOVIE YOU ARE THE HEAD FOOTBALL COACH IN I BELIEVE THAT YOU BELIEVE THE SAME THING. SO WHEN UR ON THE FIELD WE NEED YOU TO LEAD BY EXAMPLE LIKE JOE FLACCO IN THEN THE DEFENCE WOULD LEAD AS WELL.. Take this bye week to laugh at all the critics in them come back ready to lead like TOM BRADY. Your real father
October 13th, 2014 at 4:02 pm
What if we trade McCoy right now to a team for a first and second round pick in the upcoming draft. Would you do it? I would. This team has little talent, player and coaching wise. But I still don’t think this team has enough good players. We need a Jimmie Johnson type trade to jumpstart this franchise. Question is are there any good talent evaluators in the building? Doesn’t look like it so far.
October 13th, 2014 at 4:03 pm
Hawaiian… I have my team and the Bucs
Try to make time for both. But thanks for the advice. We won 37-6, I doubt reading an article hurt us
You know how JBF is,… Gotta keep up with the news
October 13th, 2014 at 4:07 pm
Bee..GMC is in his final year.can be franchised
No team has cap room to take him
No team gives up a #1 to use a player for one year….except us
October 13th, 2014 at 4:20 pm
Getting rid of good players is what got us where we’re at today.
There is no sane reason why we would get rid of McCoy unless your
name is Glazer and you don’t want to pay him.
We would have a great roster now if we hadn’t parted ways
with so many good players:
Bennett
Revis
D Joseph
Zuttah
Don’t talk to me about salary caps. We’re 7.3 million under the
cap as of today. WTF?
October 13th, 2014 at 4:25 pm
Guess who has the most cap space?
Jacksonville at 28 million and an 0-6 record for 2014.
Wow. Those fans are really bad in J-ville. It’s obviously
those stupid North Floridians who are ruining the Jags.
All that team needs is a new batch of patsies…er….I mean
a new city and brand new stadium and then they’ll be good.
It has nothing to do with the Jags ownership. IT”S THE FANS!
THEY SUCK! THEY”RE THE PROBLEM!
October 13th, 2014 at 4:29 pm
love how a hs football coach/pe teacher says what gmc is worth…ironical, that is
how much is a hs football coach/pe teacher worth? especially since us education is poor.
October 13th, 2014 at 4:36 pm
Oh boy Lurker, your grammar and capitalization was incorrect on your post. You must be illiterate too! Welcome to the illiterate club.
Ever notice how when you call someone for talking out of their arse, they always respond with all their wealth of experience, as if ANYONE would believe them? Even when I called that it would happen, they still can’t resist. To be honest, I’m glad he did, because it made me look a lot better.
October 13th, 2014 at 4:43 pm
Buccfan37 – Well since all three of us are in agreement, Lovie and crew HAVE to listen right? Go Bucs!
October 13th, 2014 at 4:50 pm
I’m not a football coach, but I’ve never heard of a high school football coach reading and posting on a blog only about 3 hours before kickoff. But of course they won 37-6, so it’s all good. They’ve also conveniently been given the day off today too, because they’ve got an easy opponent on Friday.
October 13th, 2014 at 5:09 pm
it is columbus day, today. of course, columbus never made it to hawaii, so you guys don’t recognize that holiday!
October 13th, 2014 at 5:12 pm
ChanEpic…Right on brother! HawaiianBuc…You’re making a mountain out of a molehill arguing with the coach.
October 13th, 2014 at 5:26 pm
Oh Hawaiian…. Lol
When you have your team prepared to play, you’d be amazed how much time you have 5 hours before game time.
I admit that I am a Buc addict and that JBF is my dealer. is there rehab for this?
Now, if Lovie’s team was prepared, the game wouldn’t be over by mid 2nd quarter.
October 13th, 2014 at 6:15 pm
“Now, if Lovie’s team was prepared, the game wouldn’t be over by mid 2nd quarter.”
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That game was over early first quarter.
October 13th, 2014 at 6:18 pm
H – finally we can agree!
October 13th, 2014 at 8:57 pm
Lovie WILL put McCown in week 8. I guarantee it.
October 13th, 2014 at 9:39 pm
LJ… You nailed it. As soon as Josh is ready to go, he’s back in. Book it.
October 13th, 2014 at 10:21 pm
Does anyone who posts on this site have a real job?