Is The Time Right For Richie Incognito?
October 13th, 2014
The Buccaneers’ offensive line got thoroughly manhandled yesterday. The run blocking is shameful and pride-free, and has been for weeks. There is no attitude.
Perhaps the Bucs need to make the desperate move.
No, Joe wouldn’t sign sleazy guard Richie Incognito, the guy no other NFL team wants. But the Bucs and Lovie Smith just might do it.
There’s a bye week now, and this might be viewed as the perfect time by Lovie. The head coach has been around the NFL long enough to know the need for an offensive line to “jell” has nothing to do with O-linemen simply beating the guys lined up across from them. The Bucs linemen are getting abused far too often.
A head coach can’t get embarrassed like that at home and not react significantly. No, Lovie is not going to change schemes, but a personnel shakeup, an attitude shakeup, is an easy way to drive change.
Again, Joe’s not about to lobby for Incognito, but something has to change on the Bucs’ failing offensive line. Without a shred of a running game, the Bucs might win two more games this season. Joe’s curious to see whether Lovie will just wait for his O-line to jell, or force an attitude adjustment.
Former Buccaneer guard Ian Beckles is appalled by the Bucs’ lack of attitude and nastiness on both sides of the football. “Where’s our crazed dog?” Beckles asked this morning on WDAE-AM 620.
Perhaps he’s awaiting a phone call.
October 13th, 2014 at 9:12 am
Absolutely not. Season is over, get the younger guys some playing time. Signing Richie before week 1 was fine when the season had a chance. Now that it’s over, what’s the point?
October 13th, 2014 at 9:13 am
Incognito?
Incognito is out of the NFL, but guess what. He is still not coming hear.
Besides. Lovie will never go with Incognito because it will just show another poor decision on his part. If Incognito comes it and kicks butt.
Just so many poor decisions on Lovie’s part.
What does he do on the team? Does he call plays on offense or defense?
Or just do press conferences?
October 13th, 2014 at 9:16 am
Malloy was right about Glennon (even with no protection
he was one of the higher rated QB’s over the weekend).
Malloy was right about the Bucs problems being attributed
to ownership and not a particular coach.
Malloy has an annoying habit of being right a lot.
Now Malloy is telling you that signing Ritchie would be a
great idea. However it won’t happen because once the media
brands someone as a racist no one is allowed to touch them.
October 13th, 2014 at 9:18 am
Terrible idea. Move the hell on. This is worse than your Johnny football fettish.
October 13th, 2014 at 9:20 am
You mean there is more, it sure feels like this season is over.
October 13th, 2014 at 9:20 am
Is he good, then absolutely!
He’s outta the NFL because he was a bully? Really?
Mike VIck and others are in the NFL… i’m just saying.
Season is lost at 1 – 5…. unless your in the NFC South, then at 1-5 your only 2 games back.
Dixie Chicks are in just as bad shambles, Panthers have more players on IR then on the field, and we were one offsensive lineman away from preventing a Sack and walking outta Narleans with a W.
We should sign Icognito to a long term deal before someone else does. Our O lIne won’t be fixed in the draft next year
October 13th, 2014 at 9:22 am
No one is calling Incognito a racist. They are calling him a raging lunatic. At this point, I just want us to do something to show we are trying to get better. If that means signing this sleaze, so be it.
October 13th, 2014 at 9:26 am
Joe,
Do you really have any on the History of Incognito?
He has not been convicted or arrested for beating any women.
He has not been arrested or convicted since being in the NFL.
He has not been arrested or convicted for DUI.
He has not been convicted for obstruction of justice in a double murder.
He has not been jailed for a dog fighting ring.
He has no video’s of him knocking out chicks.
He has never killed anyone with his car will driving drunk.
He said some mean words and some swear words and was a bad ass on the Field. Years ago that was looked upon as a good thing.
He may be the last Bad ass left in the NFL and because out society has become soft we look upon these traits as a bad thing.
October 13th, 2014 at 9:32 am
Yeah, he might be a good coach.
October 13th, 2014 at 9:32 am
Well, I was opposed, but we need someone to knock some sense into these coaches. As long as he’ll bully Warhop, I say we sign him.
October 13th, 2014 at 9:33 am
JOE CAN YOU DIG UP THE NUMBER OF SACKS/HITS/ AND HURRIES ON MG YESTERDAY? Thanks.
October 13th, 2014 at 9:35 am
Glennon was sacked or put under pressure on 26 of his 49 dropbacks. That’s 63 percent. That’s the highest pressure percentage of any quarterback with 40 dropbacks in the last five years.
In other words, Glennon didn’t have a chance. He completed just 6 of 21 passes when he was under pressure. When he wasn’t pressured, Glennon completed 18 of 23.
How many times was he actually Hit though. Seemed like almost every time he was pressured.
October 13th, 2014 at 9:37 am
Signing Incognito could help the Bucs: from winning 2 or 3 games to winning 4 or 5 and costing the team a few slots in the draft, probably just enough down the board so that they miss the marquee QB’and DL help that they so desperately need. Last year one win in Detroit bumped the Bucs from the 3rd overal pick to the 7th; perhaps Incognito could help the Bucs win a game but the defense is still a ****ing mess and does anyone really think the Bucs could go better than 4-12 this year anyhow? Might as well beat the Vikes and then tank it down the stretch and hope and pray that the raiders and Jags manage to win a couple so that the Bucs can pass them in the draft order as this season is a lost cause, it has been since Lovie, his play callers and the players collectively gave away the Lamb game…..
Yesterday’s embarrassment was tougher to swallow than the Falcon fiasco as it was at home and us Buc fans ACTUALLY thought the team had a chance but no the defense let Steve Smith, Flacco, Torrey Smith and Forsett look like the ****ing 1999 St Louis Rams. What a waste of nice section 205 seats yesterday, Christ I learned my lesson, TV for me until next season at the earliest….
October 13th, 2014 at 9:38 am
This team is definitely lacking attitude. The body language of most of the players suggest there is no fight, no tenacity, no heart. Too much loafing, even from players collecting big paychecks.
The team certainly needs an attitude adjustment. I’m not sure Richie is the right guy for that, but at this point something has to be done to send a message. This is the third HC in a row the team isn’t playing for. There could be a bigger underlying problem than scheme. The team needs hungry players that want to win. Aside from a few players, it doesn’t appear this team has that.
October 13th, 2014 at 9:40 am
Hawaiian: no, people are calling him a racist also, they are just calling him so many terrible things that you could have easily missed it.
October 13th, 2014 at 9:42 am
Can we please, please realize signing FAs to fix problems doesn’t work? Never has, never will? Draft, draft, draft. That’s it, that’s all. Next draft should be spent entirely drafting offensive and defensive line and secondary. Stop thinking winning free agency means anything. The Bucs so far signed a bunch of busts outside Verner and even he only looks ok.
October 13th, 2014 at 9:48 am
Joe
They didn’t play well with a relaxed HC, or a strict HC, or a stubborn HC, maybe they need a HC that listens and then makes decisions and inspires them to excel. Leadership 101 states you get rid of the malcontents and those not doing their job regardless of position or money, it is a team.
If Richie will help or anyone else that is available, do it and change to what they can play not what you want them to play.
Joes, maybe we need Rachel or her replacement to inspire us?
October 13th, 2014 at 9:49 am
@bucrightoff Couldn’t have said it better myself
October 13th, 2014 at 9:53 am
This team winning two more games is pushing it. One thing is sure to happen though. This team will blow it’s chance to draft a superstar, one way or another.
October 13th, 2014 at 9:55 am
If we’re looking at a mentally ill shakeup at guard I’d rather just give Aaron Sears a call. He’s already in town.
October 13th, 2014 at 9:58 am
Why in the world would Gerald McCoy re-sign here?
October 13th, 2014 at 10:00 am
Bucrightoff sez: Can we please, please realize signing FAs to fix problems doesn’t work? Never has, never will? Draft, draft, draft. That’s it, that’s all. Next draft should be spent entirely drafting offensive and defensive line and secondary. Stop thinking winning free agency means anything. The Bucs so far signed a bunch of busts outside Verner and even he only looks ok.
Yeah, but man the Bucs have not been drafting all that well either. Perhaps Licht will have better luck than Mark Dominick as everyone can agree that Lavonte David and G McCoy are damned good but other acquisitions like Mark Barron,and most of the other draft picks of the past decade have been out and out busts! Free agency does have its good uses: like getting a journeyman rb like Rainey who can outperform a late first round draft pick in Martin who has not done much except running the doors off of a bad Viking team and an even worse Raider team in his rookie season….. However FA is not going to get you a talented lineman, the other teams with much better front offices than One Buc Place keep their good OL/DL under contract and thus do not have to lose 12+ games a season when they rebuild which is what the Bucs have been doing for the most part since Gruden was fired besides 1 fluke year with Rah (10-6 in 2010)and for a 6 week stretch for Schiano where the Bucs went from 1-3 to 6-4 in 2012….. Ownership of this team is directionless, it has been since Malcolm had the stroke and it shows in how pathetic this team has become….
October 13th, 2014 at 10:00 am
Even Incognito deserves better… He shouldn’t have to play for this sh*t hole team…lol
October 13th, 2014 at 10:01 am
we can’t sign him because there’s no one to give a 3rd round pick for him too.
*sarcasm
October 13th, 2014 at 10:03 am
well joe you wouldn’t sign incognito, I for one say he should have been signed months ago like after lovie gutted the O line, let us just examine this for a moment, he is a 300 pound grown ass man who bullied another 300 pound NFL lineman, oh the inhumanity did the poor lil fella get his feelings hurt? how about ray lewis after being involved with his posse that night on the town, or micheal vick and his PETA mishap. give me a freaking break! the seasons done actually it was done when lovie stepped up to the plate, but I will leave that for another post. the team needs him he is one hell of a lineman, and they could get him cheap. so grow a pair, and get him n lovie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
October 13th, 2014 at 10:03 am
seriously though sign him. he might be the only one who can turn lovie into a blithering cry baby and tell the truth for once.
October 13th, 2014 at 10:04 am
At this point in time it wouldn’t hurt to sign him. Give him an incentive laced contract with no guaranteed money. So far all of Lovie’s hand picked O-Lineman are playing like failures…
I didn’t think it was possible, but Collins is worse than Donald Penn!
October 13th, 2014 at 10:04 am
it was time for tebow a year ago and it still is. joe is so wrong fighting against tebow. it looks like religious discrimination to me. sure there are other Christians in the league but tim is just too overt for weak managements like the nfl
October 13th, 2014 at 10:15 am
Oh I agree Fort Meyers Dave the drafting hasn’t been great but it’s still better to go that way then the free agency route. Exactly zero of the top contenders went the FA route and all went the draft route. You build something from the ground up, not by buying the last few pieces on a shaky foundation.
October 13th, 2014 at 10:16 am
#73 has to be the worst player on that o-line I have seen in a while every game he gets the same penalties and beat. If Lovie was a good coach in the past he would had never sat out a season without a job. Please Lovie please I beg of you step down and stay down.
October 13th, 2014 at 10:20 am
@matthew veal – worst take in jbf commenting history.
October 13th, 2014 at 10:25 am
No one cares anymore
October 13th, 2014 at 10:45 am
Coach Clueless (Deer in the headlights) says there is no chance of changing his defensive scheme after getting blown out at the half 35-0 in Atlanta and 38-0 at home. Just think folks, only 4 1/2 more years to go on his contract. Imagine how many empty seats there’s going to be at the end of this season. Fans in Chicago couldn’t wait to see him go.
October 13th, 2014 at 10:49 am
Sign Incognito just for the fun of it ! Hope he shakes up the clubhouse. Anything is better than watching this big hairy turd that’s at One Buc Place. Eeeew.. What smells ??
October 13th, 2014 at 11:00 am
We should pick up freeman to start to save Glennon from injury while we wait for the season to end and get a #1 pick for our new coach next year.
October 13th, 2014 at 11:33 am
and where are our 5th round picks?
October 13th, 2014 at 11:33 am
Those of you clamoring for a change of defensive scheme do realize that Dallas runs almost the exact same scheme?
October 13th, 2014 at 11:40 am
Ugh I’m gonna be busy with this one. Dallas runs 50% of more of its defense in straight man to man. We currently run 0% of our defense in straight man to man. Dallas ran straight Tampa 2 last year under Monte and has a near historically awful defense. This year Rod adapts to his personnel and they are better (though still not great ranking in the middle of the pack statistically).
Please stop referring to Dallas unless you’re saying fire Lovie and hire Marinelli as HC (and no one wants that either). But Rod can adapt and has shown it. Lovie? Not so much.
October 13th, 2014 at 11:43 am
Dallas knows what they are doing. Lovie is clueless.
October 13th, 2014 at 11:43 am
Absolutely. If incognito is crazy, this team needs some angry insanity on it for a change.
Expo you are a sad pathetic blob. Sears has a real and terrible mental illness. To make fun of it anonymously shows what a gutless coward you are.
You better hope such a malady never strikes you or your family or are you one of those lower IQ types who thinks mental illness, like diabetes, only visits the weak.
James, I hear you and I’m with you. Seems like people will bend over backwards and great special privileges to some just to prove they are humanely tolerant.
I drop a grand a year and am sick of watching this crap. I don’t drop that much money to watch players develop. I spend it to see a wining product.
If you want to watch teams develop, go watch an NFL pro am team. It’s called college football.
October 13th, 2014 at 11:44 am
Joe:
Right now I’m so depressed I would recruit the zombies from the walking dead rather than watching this putrid offensive line. Cus that’s exactly what this line is. It is flat out offensive as a long time bucs fan to watch the offensive line be manhandled every game. Being embarrassed to even call myself a bucs fan. if this keeps up I think the Browns may have a better chance to going to the Super Bowl besides the time I flush them down the toilet before this team becomes a contender again. Please tell me that there is a glimmer of hope joe or do we as fans have to walk around with are heads held low for another decade before we become relevant again?
October 13th, 2014 at 11:44 am
As long as it’s not another trade I’m fine with getting WHOEVER…. There is no point in hurting the future drafts anymore when this team clearly isn’t good on any side of the ball..
October 13th, 2014 at 11:44 am
We should trade our 1st rounder for incognito.
October 13th, 2014 at 11:47 am
See if New England wants Mankins back for our pick and an extra 7th or something lol..
They get to keep Wright since that was our bonehead decision to trade for Mankins in the first place thinking we were a f***ing guard away from a Average/Winning/Playoff/Superbowl season… Two years in a row we make a trade for a player because we feel like we are 1000x better than we actually are… Pathetic
October 13th, 2014 at 11:54 am
You are right about one thing it would be a desperate move. Definition: extremely bad, serious, or dangerous having little hope of success.
You have had some dumb thoughts coming from these pages the last few weeks making McCown out to be the scapegoat for all the Bucs troubles the first 3 1/2 games but this idea takes the cake.
The Bucs played a really good team yesterday and have a OC intern over his head. The def got run on early and it opened the ravens playbook (same thing happened to NY Gaints last night). These are growing pains and they will get better.
Any chance Tedford comes back during the bye week?
October 13th, 2014 at 11:54 am
I wish this site had the ability to upvote comments. Some of this stiff is gold.
October 13th, 2014 at 11:55 am
Depressed:
Joe cannot say that at this point.
October 13th, 2014 at 11:56 am
First off, if a GM did that he would be fired.
Second, he is a free agent. You don’t have to trade for him.
October 13th, 2014 at 12:02 pm
Absolutely YES. People should be fired for not doing this earlier.
October 13th, 2014 at 12:10 pm
And so this team now smells like manure. And you guys want to bring a well documented POS to make things smell better?
Why? How many runs has Richie ever stopped. How many passes has he intercepted or defended. That’s where our needs are most glaring. Why bring in notorious jerk and troublemaker when he won’t make a small dent in the Bucs glaring problems?
October 13th, 2014 at 12:11 pm
So people are trying to say we are a RG away from being good on the O-line?
LMAO
October 13th, 2014 at 12:11 pm
Joe
In the preseason the Bucs had 2 lineman playing with that nasty block to whistle attitude. In the Last Game against the Skins R.Johnson & Coughman manhandled the 3rd stringers. Why did we give Johnson up after trading a safety for him that we need now. I had Faith in Lovie at First, but soon as I seen them cut D.Moore for Leonard (Burnt chicken) Johnson I knew teams would throw at him. Thats coaching! Ok he was good when we had nobody at cb like the Fearsome foursome. He shooda got cut in the offseason. We need Nasty Lineman period that Dont get PUNKED UP FRONT. Go back to the game joe soon as Johnson got in there he reminded me of Penn how he would fight for anybody on the team. Talley had a better pass rush then all Our dline except The REal McCoy but we cut him. Im sorry but until we get a REAL middle LB that get off blocks we wont stop the run. Danny Lansanah is the best LB we got besides David he shood be changed to the Mike.
I knew Dumervil would Dog Dotson. I knew Suggs would abuse Collins or Dotson. Lovie’s guys! I knew teams would find leonard and throw to whoever he defends. I knew Teams would find our rookie cb’s and just throw at them. Lovie’s Guys! Revis Verner D.moore Banks Melvin & McCray would of made better secondary.
We need to put MIKE JAMES in the starting RB spot and use Doug and Rainey as the change of pace Backs. James dipped on that Whole seahawk Defense last year. He gets positve yards and has more power then both our backs. They do to much dancing when MJ is a one cut power runner.
I say line J.lane up like we did with Alstott and give him the ball to bruise teams early. Myers can block for him in the FB position. Lane is a better runner then Blocker. Thats How you Fix the Running Game.
October 13th, 2014 at 12:26 pm
On a day like today, this Incognito suggestion is like throwing a bucket of blood into a shark tank.
October 13th, 2014 at 12:29 pm
The jags fixed there pass rush by getting two lineman in FA. CHris CLemons and Red Bryant. We Need Corey Redding form the Colts and Suh if we got all them players the trench would be PUNKED. We draft all offense in a defensive Draft. Stupid! All the teams that picked in the top 7 of the draft last years will be picking again in a diffrent order. Predictable!
October 13th, 2014 at 1:05 pm
You guys are a bunch of over-analyzing ninnies. We aren’t going to pick the right person in the draft so our slot doesn’t matter.
Incognito isn’t going to come in here and get right to his antics. He’ll come in out of shape and perform about as good as Haynesworth did on defense. Incognito, like Tebow, would be more about the appearance and getting butts in seats.
The season is done. Now, it’s damage control trying to run out the clock.
With Winston likely the top QB prospect and battling the work-release program, don’t hold your breath on the Bucs getting better anytime soon.
October 13th, 2014 at 1:40 pm
@Ddneast, looks like someone forgot their last few doses of Risperdal.
I was obviously joking. Sensitive people like you are why Incognito can’t play in this league. And how is it that you making fun of Incognito’s craziness is any better than me suggesting we give Sears a call? “Ddneast” sounds much more anonymous than what my actual nickname and what most people call me. Come back down to earth with the rest of us and quit being such a hypocrite.
Aaron Sears was a beast and it’s a shame what happened to him. If he were in playing shape (I have no idea what shape he’s in) I’d hope we give him a look long before Incognito. I know he’s too far removed and it’ll never happen but I bring it up since this entire article is a huge exaggerated “what if” scenario.
October 13th, 2014 at 2:39 pm
I think Incognito might be a positive addition to the OLine, however, it doesn’t really matter, because the defense is a mega-catastrophe and the season is over. After 7 months of anticipation it only took 1 month to end the season.
October 13th, 2014 at 3:27 pm
Espo- Why is it so unusual for a player to come back after a few years removed from the NFL? I know it rarely if ever happens and just wonder why that’s the case. Sears I understand but let’s use Barth for a better case. If he doesn’t get picked up this year he will be lucky to get a tryout for any team next year and I never really understood why it is this way.
October 13th, 2014 at 4:26 pm
Bucrightoff, I think you should have spent a little more time on this one. The Bucs play several coverage schemes including man and cover 3. They are much like Dallas in that Cover 2 is a base coverage but they often change based on down and distance. Check the tape if you like but I believe the long TD by Steve Smith was against man coverage. Lovie has also made light of those that consistently refer to this as a Cover 2 only defense. I was merely making the point that this is not a scheme problem in that this scheme or any scheme is effective with the right personnel and when coached effectively. Whether or not we have either of those is happening is obviously up for debate.
October 13th, 2014 at 5:39 pm
I think it’s because there’s usually aa younger, cheaper, better player coming up.
October 14th, 2014 at 3:50 am
Incognito used bad judgment, bad language and scared a grown man(child in mans body) and for that some want him killed. Lovey will not hire him because he is prejudged against him. I thought Lovey was a bigger man but again I thought Lovey was a better coach. I heard him blame everyone except himself or his system (the Tampa Squat) a defense guaranteed to stink and leave a mess on the field.