“The Quarterback Has To Run The Football”
September 16th, 2014
Lovie Smith shared some of his quarterback philosophy last night. It didn’t seem to bode well for Mike Glennon’s future.
The Mike Glennon Mob might not want to hear what Lovie Smith said last night.
In a discussion that included Josh McCown’s two rushing touchdowns Sunday, the Tampa Bay head coach said McCown’s scrambling is critical to successful offense.
“The quarterback has to run the football. That’s a big part of offensive football nowadays,” Lovie said.
There are a few points here:
First, if Joe were to accept Lovie’s premise, then it would represent part of what makes Sunday’s loss to the Rams and third-string quarterback Austin Davis so pathetic. Davis was one-dimensional. He tucked and ran just once for zero yards. That’s very rare for any QB but especially for a guy making his first NFL start. Davis didn’t panic, wasn’t forced to panic, and calmly carved up the Bucs defense.
Newsflash: Derek Anderson wasn’t running in Week 1, either.
Second, Joe’s wondering how deeply Lovie believes in this running-quarterback philosophy. Of note during wintertime, Lovie said he admired the way Carolina, San Francisco and Carolina have built their football teams, specifically naming those teams. Those three clubs have mobile quarterbacks who use their mobility.
Yes, Lovie said Mike Glennon is his “quarterback of the future.” The Bucs’ brass loves their Glennon, but unless there’s been a miraculous change, Glennon is not mobile and we now know Lovie believes “the quarterback has to run the football.”
Joe’s wondering if Lovie has altered his philosophy over the past few months.
September 16th, 2014 at 10:03 am
Let’s reword this: The quarterback has to advance the ball into the end zone.
September 16th, 2014 at 10:05 am
They said the same thing about Nick Foles in Chip Kelly’s system. What da hell was Lovie doing during his year off? Hes beginning to disgust me
September 16th, 2014 at 10:06 am
Lovie really is clueless and especially about anything to do with Offense. If the Bucs D doesn’t step up AND Tedford doesn’t open it up when he gets back, he has no business being the H.C. of this team
September 16th, 2014 at 10:07 am
Hello Marcus Mariota
September 16th, 2014 at 10:10 am
This guy has no freaking clue what he wants to do. If that’s your philosophy them don’t call Glennon you’re quarterback of the future. I’m tired of lovie already. Patriots and broncos yea because those two quarterbacks are so successful because of their scrambling ability. Lovie is on the verge of getting tuned out much faster than schiano, now we have to argue about which coach was in more in denial about the state of their team. It’s only week two lovie and already your and are turning against you
September 16th, 2014 at 10:10 am
Lovie thinks Josh McCown is a starting QB in this league. The man’s judgement in this area is deeply flawed. If only we had a quality GM with the ability to make decisions independent of Lovie’s judgement. Instead we have Lovie’s lapdog for a GM and therefore the morass at the QB position. Awesome!
September 16th, 2014 at 10:11 am
I believe Lovie on this point. That’s why, even though I believe Glennon desires an opportunity, I never believed Lovie when he professed Glennon to be the quarterback of the future.
September 16th, 2014 at 10:11 am
Lovie: Just stop talking. Stop it. Now.
Until you can produce a winning football team, no one wants to hear what you think.
Shut it!
September 16th, 2014 at 10:14 am
Maybe someone forgot to tell Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Phillip Rivers, etc…that they need to run the ball?
September 16th, 2014 at 10:15 am
Its this little thing called coaching that lovie forgot how to do during his vacation. Joe can you pass this along to Lovie since I can’t tell him in coaching you have to adapt to your players abilities. Hes approaching schiano’s “because we didn’t get to practice it” status
September 16th, 2014 at 10:15 am
Lovie also said he didn’t want any points before halftime of Sunday’s game. This guy is a boob. But, hey, the players respect him – that’s all that is important I guess!
We certainly don’t have the best team in the NFL, but we do have the most respectful.
September 16th, 2014 at 10:19 am
There’s a reason why Lovie and Tedford went to the pro days of Manziel, Bortles, and brought in the very mobile but noodle armed Brett Smith. They want the threat of jabbering the QB also be a threat to run when there aren’t any options.
September 16th, 2014 at 10:23 am
@joe
we are going to hear a lot of excuses why Josh McCheckdown is the starting QB! get use to it. Lovie will be very stubborn in this mistake. In 2009 I saw the writing on the wall, I did not go to any games and bought a boat. greatest decision ever. I saw the same this year and planned a 3 week Europe trip during the season. Best decision ever. After the Falcons game I will be lucky enough to miss the next 3 games. I will check JoeBucsFan when I can because it is my go to place. Good luck Buc fans!!
September 16th, 2014 at 10:24 am
Respect — players respect winners. Winning = a better contract. Only a matter of time that the players quit on Lovie.
The roster isn’t filled with leaders and the staff isn’t filled with future HC candidates.
Aside from the obvious inept production, this is not a repeat of the late 90’s Bucs
September 16th, 2014 at 10:25 am
I am done with Lovie Smith…….
Fire Lovie Smith.
Running QB’s Lost this past week. in San Francisco and Seattle.
Lovie I just making excuses for his reasons why not to start Mike Glennon.
Fire Lovie Smith.
September 16th, 2014 at 10:28 am
QBs running the football? More appropriate, can Lovie run a football TEAM?
September 16th, 2014 at 10:31 am
Yikes…what an embarrassing statement to make. Somebody is going to have to tell Peyton Manning and every other great pocket passing QB that they are irrelevant in football nowadays. McCown had 2 rushing TDs and zero passing, how did that work out for us?
September 16th, 2014 at 10:31 am
McCown’s arm will lose more games than his legs will ever win.
Keyword from Lovie….”today’s” NFL. Oh the irony!
September 16th, 2014 at 10:31 am
Start Glennon so L&L will realize he is NOT the QB of the future. Any chance the Bucs can trade Glennon to the Rams for Davis?
September 16th, 2014 at 10:32 am
“Of note during wintertime, Lovie said he admired the way Carolina, San Francisco and Carolina have built their football teams, specifically naming those teams. Those three clubs have mobile quarterbacks who use their mobility.”
Um, am I missing something? Are there two Carolina teams?
September 16th, 2014 at 10:34 am
Glennon is ready to take over. Release the cannon, and we will see points rain down on the Buccaneer scoreboard.
September 16th, 2014 at 10:35 am
With the exception of Russel Wilson, all of the “running quarterbacks” seem to end up on the injury list at some point each season RG3 style. I’ll take a QB that can pass the ball and stay protected.
September 16th, 2014 at 10:36 am
What Lovie meant to say is that Mike Glennon is his “backup quarterback of the future.”
September 16th, 2014 at 10:41 am
Let’s just have Glennon play 1st and 2nd down, and McCown play on 3rd down. This will help in many ways.
1. All McCowns picks have been in 1st down (not any more)
2. We will see that neither is prob the future.
3. It would at least be entertaining.
4. It is somewhat of a bonehead idea…perfect for this team .
5. We make teams study two QBs, mainly the ability to hand off the ball.
September 16th, 2014 at 10:41 am
if thats the case why didn’t they trade glennon!!!
Lovie is all smoke and mirrors, with no balls.
Can’t trust a word he says, and don’t think the players won’t realize it soon and start laying down.
September 16th, 2014 at 10:43 am
Yeah lovie, It’s great to have a running QB in the mode of those you mentioned. McCown aint that! Sure he has the frantic scrambles for TD’s. What happened to the NFL is now dependent on a solid passing attack to win games? Wow, the Bucs went from the frantic Schiano style to the somber Lovie style. McCown fits Lovie’s style to a tee, except for the disciplined passer. Glennon, hope you don’t get butt sores from sitting on the bench, because the only way you’ll see the field is if McCown is injured.
September 16th, 2014 at 10:44 am
Manning,Brees,Brady all hall of fame players. None of them are running qb’s.
September 16th, 2014 at 10:49 am
So CBS has a mock draft out right now. They have Bucs picking 3rd as if the season ended today and we would take Mariotta. The #1 QB in the class coming out. However, I’m not sure I see Lovie doing that.
I could see him taking Nebraska DE Randy Gregory.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/24710514/nfl-mock-draft-with-raiders-bucs-leading-way-qbs-could-fall
September 16th, 2014 at 10:49 am
Man I am about as big a Glennon fan as they come, but if this is actually how Lovie feels about the QB position then why the hell didn’t they trade Mike!? Glennon is not not will he ever be a scramble around outside the pocket guy, he is in the Flacco/Ryan mold of smart pocket passers. Glennon deserves a shot to prove to Lovie that it is better to play smart with the football and rely on getting the ball into the hands of your playmakers than to have a turnover prone vet QB run around and get crushed by guys teeing off on him once he leaves the pocket to become a runner.
September 16th, 2014 at 10:51 am
I think Lovie (Dovie) is brain dead. The Glasers were in panic mode when they fired Schiano & hired Smith. I bet looking back they’re sorry they fired Gruden.
September 16th, 2014 at 10:57 am
Lovie is right, a QB has to to run.
RG3 runs the football, but Kirk is running the offense now.
Cam Newton is a great Running QB too. Stinks he missed his first game hurt.
Mike The-Dog Vick is really fast. So fast he’s only played a 16 game season once in 12 years. Lots of rib injuries for him. Sound familiar Cam?
Just Remember how fast Brady, Peyton, Brees, Luck, Rivers, Flacco, Rodgers are.
I’m sure Lovies is thinking about Colin and Russel: their team wins despite those QB’s both ranked behind Chad Henne in stats
http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/passingYards/year/2014/seasontype/2
BUt sure, lets make the QB run….. just make sure we have a good backup….
September 16th, 2014 at 10:57 am
We’ll be picking #2 behind the Raiders….and it will be a DE. Book it.
There’s not a chance that L&L, after a 2-14 year will invest in the future… A bad 2015 and they will be out.
September 16th, 2014 at 11:00 am
Unfortunately, it looks like the Glazers are going to have to sell the team before this crap gets turned around.
September 16th, 2014 at 11:00 am
I agree with what Coach Smith said. While he is not looking for the QB to run the ball 20-times/game, he is looking to force the defense to cover the QB like a RB on run and pass plays (QB draw play). This makes it much harder for the defense to cover everyone and opens up more options for the offense.
September 16th, 2014 at 11:02 am
“Can’t trust a word he says, and don’t think the players won’t realize it soon and start laying down.”
Robert I agree.
September 16th, 2014 at 11:03 am
Cmon Man Lovie Get off the Pipe..
September 16th, 2014 at 11:09 am
What Lovie meant to say is: “With my game plan and weak offensive line I need a QB that can run for his life and then throw back across his body for picks in the redzone or just panic at other times and throw it up in the air like a scared JV QB in his first game. I feel like I have that in Josh McCown.”
September 16th, 2014 at 11:11 am
Super Bowls are won from the pocket. Fifty years of evidence proves that. If another way worked better, every team would be doing it.
Running QB’s are all media hype that non-football
non-football minds see as effective. If you like that style, stick to college ball
In the grown man league, the defense wants the QB to run. The defense is faster, more violent and know it’s only a matter of time before they knock him out
September 16th, 2014 at 11:15 am
Sounds like I can soon stop hammering my “do-no-wrong Lovie” bit with all sober heads prevailing and rose colored glasses breaking!
Wow! Things change quickly when all the future tellers find out how their powers of clairvoyance aren’t real.
September 16th, 2014 at 11:18 am
A 35 year old QB running with the football? He’ll be on IR by week 8! There is a big difference between Brees who scrambles around in the pocket and RGIII who takes off running all the time. Running QB’s get killed! It also creates bad habits because the first sign of a receiver covered and instincts will force you to take off running.
September 16th, 2014 at 11:21 am
If that is how he feels then why does he call Glennon the qb of the future and passed on Manziel in the draft. I like Lovie a lot but feel like he is far from a straight shooter sometimes in interviews.
September 16th, 2014 at 11:21 am
I don’t believe this one bit. If that is the case. Why didn’t we heavily pursue Michael Vick
September 16th, 2014 at 11:23 am
DallasBuc, watch how fast everyone jumps back on the bandwagon once they turn this around. Question is will you?
September 16th, 2014 at 11:23 am
How many QBs last very long when running all the time, Rg3, Vic, Even newton looks like the pilsbury dough boy all wrap up.. Scrambling does help sometimes even glennon scramled good a couple times last year, but running QBs very risky IMO..
September 16th, 2014 at 11:25 am
Peyton Manning looks like Mike Vick compared to Glennon.
September 16th, 2014 at 11:28 am
JBUC, I’m not a fan of Lovie. I am surprised at how our Defense is worse than last year. This is with Frazier who had a pretty good D at one time in Minn. Lovie just doesn’t get it. Maybe it will click for him or maybe we are just doing bad offensively because Tedford isn’t back 100%. Let’s see when he comes back and is calling all plays what happens. Maybe we won’t be running on 3rd and long or not trusting the QB to throw a fade pass.
September 16th, 2014 at 11:28 am
Tedford had a balanced attack and utilized the talents of his personnel when he was head coach. I think he is utilizing the talent of his personnel.
September 16th, 2014 at 11:31 am
The QB only has to run if the offensive line sucks. But 3 of the top 4 guys are slow as molasses (Brees, Brady, Manning), so that’s really a bunch of crap. First and foremost, your QB needs to be smart. RGIII can run…right on IR.
September 16th, 2014 at 11:31 am
In 2011, Tedford’s QB had 84 carries and ranked second in number of carries.
September 16th, 2014 at 11:33 am
Mariota! Mariota! Mariota!
As long as Jacksonville & Oakland pick ahead of us to stop Lovie’s temptation of a selecting one of the DEs or OTs.
September 16th, 2014 at 11:34 am
JBuc- I am never off the bandwagon, just critical when warranted. There seem to be only a few of you fan cops left these days. Funny how that works.
September 16th, 2014 at 11:34 am
Bill T Says
“Lovie really is clueless…”
Yeah, sure. He’s only run a winning team for 9 years, went to the superbowl and was part of one of the best defenses in nfl history. He knows nothing.
If Lovie knows nothing about offense, then I guess he wasn’t calling the plays these last two weeks. So you guys are blaming the wrong fella.
September 16th, 2014 at 11:35 am
Some of us are mature enough to have patience.
September 16th, 2014 at 11:35 am
I just wonder how much control lovie had in Chicago. I don’t think he will have a job as talent scout after his coaching debut is over in 18 months
September 16th, 2014 at 11:38 am
That’s fine Lovie, but Greg Schiano won 7 games as a rookie garbage coach from Rutgers in his first season as Bucs coach. He did it with Freeman and 1/2 the talent.
How many will Lovie “we don’t expect our fans to be patient” Smith win in his first season as Bucs coach? Seeing how he’s a proven NFL HC and Greg was an idiot from Rutgers.
Capt Tim where are you to remind me how stupid Lovie is at game planning and things like that? You were in here almost every day bashing the guy for doing far less stupid things than Lovie Smith.
How far of a leash does Lovie have for some of you guys? I know it’s only week 2, but how far before you figure it out I wonder.
September 16th, 2014 at 11:39 am
As hard as it is to listen to this coach and watch the product he has put on the field:
No more firings!
No more starting over!
September 16th, 2014 at 11:40 am
JBuc- just not mature enough to openly acknowledge when mistakes have been made. You think Lovie dies no wrong and like the guy picked to be our starting QB. That’s cool I guess but others see things differently for good reason.
September 16th, 2014 at 11:41 am
I can’t listen to Lovie anymore. He says nothing in his news conferences. Worst, he shows nothing as a H.C. If he feels this way, why didn’t he trade Glennon with all those calls they were getting? He should have drafted Manziel which fits his (stupid) way of thinking.
If I were Glennon, I’d pray to get traded. Who wants to run this conservative garbage seriously….0-8 red zone in pass attempts???
September 16th, 2014 at 11:41 am
#WorstBuccaneersInTheLast10Years:
1. Rock Star
2. Freewee
3. Dexter Jackson
4. All Dominick draft picks, other than GMC, pre-Schiano
September 16th, 2014 at 11:42 am
DallasBuc…it’s almost like they think we enjoy bashing our team or something.
I don’t know about you, but I can’t stand it.
September 16th, 2014 at 11:42 am
JBuc is the type that if the Bucs served him a turd sandwich, he’d tell them how delicious it was.
September 16th, 2014 at 11:42 am
I would love for Joe to do some Stat Research.
How many times He Call Schanio a bad coach.
I what point as Schanio as a head coach did he call for him to be fired.
Let’s compare the two. I say Lovie Smith has a worst 2 seasons than Greg Schanio.
Let the excuses fly now in order to apologize for Lovie.
But before you start your excuses, just remember that Schanio had to fire his team leader (Frreeman) 4 games into the season.
I see us going 1-15 with our only Win coming against the Vikings.
Unless we put Mike Glennon in as QB.
September 16th, 2014 at 11:43 am
I am not worried because I KNOW Lovie Smith can turn things around. You people seem to believe the perfect coach who makes no mistakes exists and the Bucs should find him.
There is no such thing.
You whined for Dungy to go.
You got Gruden.
You whined for Gruden to go.
You got Raheem.
You whined for Raheem to go.
You got Schiano.
You whined for Schiano to go.
You got Lovie (and all of you were happy about it)
If you think the solution is to change coaches every year or two, you are total and complete idiots. The only way to change things is thru stability and loyalty.
And, let me just say…no one complained about the Dungy way of running offenses until his last year here. The Bucs won consistently.
The Tampa 2 is not a thing of the past. It just takes time to implement correctly. If you watch the tape, it is clear the defense is not operating correctly…yet. You have to give it time.
Lovie is a proven coach. We’ll not going to get better than him. We just have to support him and give him 3-5 years. That doesn’t mean we will suck until then. It means this team has been a mess and he isn’t God. He can’t fix everything in 6 days.
September 16th, 2014 at 11:44 am
http://memecrunch.com/meme/T19/angry-picard-bucs
September 16th, 2014 at 11:44 am
JBuc returns with his self-righteous attitude. We should all be “mature” enough to accept Lovie’s out of touch statements. Unfortunately, my intelligence get’s in the way of my “maturity” sometimes. Good to know you don’t have that problem.
September 16th, 2014 at 11:45 am
Bill T…keep in mind that this is Joe’s interpretation of what Lovie thinks about the QB and what Lovie said. It’s not written in stone that, that’s what it meant.
I really don’t believe anything he says anymore either though.
September 16th, 2014 at 11:45 am
Damn, Lovie you are making it really hard for the masses to NOT grab their torches and pitchforks with all these moronic statements. Making yourself look more like a clown than Schiano.
September 16th, 2014 at 11:47 am
We have a winless team and BuccaneerBonzai KNOWS that things WILL get better! We all know that things won’t always be this bad Bonzai. When you’re at the bottom, it’s almost impossible for them not to improve.
September 16th, 2014 at 11:47 am
Kevin Sumlin should have been the Glazers choice for HC. If Dallas fails like usual, he will be the next HC of the Cowboys. We were so close to landing Chip Kelly and the Glazers could not close the deal. Epic fail on their part.
September 16th, 2014 at 11:48 am
Positive thoughts heading into the Atlanta game:
1) We could so easily have been 2-0 right now. With more than one chance to put those game away.
2) We’ve been within just one TD of winning both games so far.
3) Atlanta’s defense isn’t that great.
4)Bobby Rainey loves facing Atlanta.
5)We have an improved O-line.
6)Matt Ryan threw 3 picks last week.
September 16th, 2014 at 11:49 am
Buc1987- “DallasBuc…it’s almost like they think we enjoy bashing our team or something.
I don’t know about you, but I can’t stand it.”
That’s exactly right. I don’t consider it team bashing though…at least not what I try to do. I have been very specific about what decisions I do not like and why. I take no great pleasure in calling out the poor decisions when they are made and feel even worse when that criticism proves warranted. I think most of us pour so much of our time and interest into our Bucs and is has been really disappointing all offseason.
September 16th, 2014 at 11:50 am
I hate this philosophy. Russel Wilson outstanding, I think the previous “recent” superbowl winners have proven this not to be the case.
September 16th, 2014 at 11:51 am
jo_mama Says
“I see us going 1-15 with our only Win coming against the Vikings.
Unless we put Mike Glennon in as QB.”
wow.
Just wow.
Let me ask you something. Let’s assume Glennon becomes the starter for a second. Will any of the other positions change? Will injured players suddenly be healed? Will the offensive line suddenly start to gel? Will the drops stop? Will the secondary begin to actually win their paychecks?
You know what putting Mike Glennon would accomplish right now? Nothing. It might even make things worse. Why? Because he isn’t mobile. Defenses will not have to worry about him scrambling. He does really bad under pressure. All they have to do is rush him a few times and he will start making bad decisions.
Putting him in right now would be setting him up for failure. I don’t think that is fair to him.
If we had a solid offensive line that could block well for a pocket passer, then I would say do it.
Also, people already complain that McCown holds onto the ball too long. They forget already that Glennon holds onto it much longer. There are no quick passes in his arsenal. Short passes? yes. But even those take too long.
If the only problem was our QB, I would say make the switch. But if you do it now, EVERYONE HERE would turn on Mike Glennon within 2 games. Heck, they turned on McCown in one.
September 16th, 2014 at 11:52 am
Bonzai – “The only way to change things is thru stability and loyalty.”
Wow. Just wow.
September 16th, 2014 at 11:52 am
“You whined for Dungy to go.”
“You whined for Gruden to go.”
Wrong Bonzai not me about either of them.
Difference is Dungy did not have full control over the team.
Lovie’s calling ALL the shots. You seem to think this is a good thing and everything will turn out great if we wait. I don’t
The GM hires the coach for a reason, not the other way around. It’s going to show on the field. It might take 3 years Bonzai, but you’ll see it won’t get better with this kind of set up.
September 16th, 2014 at 11:55 am
Dungy and Gruden had to answer to GM. Well Gruden did up until Bruce Allen anyways.
September 16th, 2014 at 11:59 am
Lovie was the safest, most boring hire the Bucs could have made. And for his tenure they will field a safe, mostly boring product. Only the delusional were truly excited to get a coach who only makes the playoffs 1 out of 3 seasons.
September 16th, 2014 at 12:00 pm
Buc1987- “The GM hires the coach for a reason, not the other way around.”
Seems you and I are the only ones that talk about. Joe and the rest of the media never visits the subject and a huge pass was given at the time of hire. Could argue that things started going down hill when McCay was run out of town. The HC/GM relationship has never been quite right since. Gruden essentially picked Allen, Dominik was given Morris, Dominik hired Schiano but his first choice was Kelly and I think the Glazers had pushed for Schiano and his disciplinary ways. And now we have Lovie with his rookie lapdog GM. All unholy.
September 16th, 2014 at 12:01 pm
@joe: my dad does crossfit here in Maryland with glennons mom and she told him yesterday that when she talked to mike on the phone he said lovie forbid pass plays in the redzone after the pick. He also said mccown was pissed at lovie after the game and what they said in their press conferences was untrue. The last thing she told him was mike thinks lovie will lose every game this year before he benches mccown.
September 16th, 2014 at 12:03 pm
@Buccaneerbonzai
You guys make football so complicated. Look at what happened when josh turned the ball over against carolina and look at the points that it lead to. Ok now look at the tunover against the rams that took points off the board then look at the final score. We don’t think that Glennon is this all time great qb we just say that he won’t make those mistakes. Nobody over the age of 13 should make those plays. Say what you want about Glennon he threw 19tds 9ints asva rookie in the most vanilla of vanilla offenses with only 1 weapon
September 16th, 2014 at 12:03 pm
Here is how I judge things presently:
Josh McCown
He isn’t doing his job well enough. If he is to remain as starter, he needs to clean things up and stop making bonehead moves. As a veteran, he should know better. He also needs to stop staring down at those notes during press conferences and start making eye contact. I said at the start of the season that he would throw 1-2 picks a game almost every game. What we need is for the defense to make that okay.
Mike Glennon
I do believe he is capable of playing better than Josh McCown, but not as the rest of the team is at the moment. I do not think he would be mistake free, but no one would be. There are things he would have to clean up as well. The problem is, as the team stands now due to injuries, I don’t think he would be in a position to do so.
Offensive Line
Their improved run blocking is a lie. They have not gotten better at it. Bobby Rainey got those yards, not because of open lanes, but because he is slippery as heck and fast. Their pass blocking is horrible. Maybe 2 of the 5 are playing well, and those 2 cannot do everything themselves.
Wide Receivers
I think they have been doing well with the few opportunities they have had. Against 2 stout defenses, the Bucs had to focus on the run. It will be interesting to see if things open up this week.
Defensive Line
Get healthy. Earn paychecks. The McCoy injury sucks. I think Larry English and Golhston are improving, but now the double teams will shift to them and we’ll have no defensive line at all. Its a mess there now. We went from having a Dline with names to not having any of those names there anymore in two games. They’ll come back over the next month or so, but by then it will be too late.
September 16th, 2014 at 12:03 pm
josh McCheckdown 16 yards of rushing is not worth the the 3 INTs he has thrown!!!
September 16th, 2014 at 12:03 pm
Buc1987 – I hear ya. I hated the decision to bring in McCown and anoint him starter immediately. What has he done to deserve that? And what exactly didn’t Glennon do to at least deserve a chance in camp? I don’t want to hear the b/s that McCown had a better camp or pre-season. What do you expect with Glennon playing with 2nd-4th stringers and ALREADY being told you’re 2nd string.
Then he has to cover his butt because of the outcry then say Glennon is the “QB of our future”. Now he needs a running QB? You didn’t feel this way in the draft? Whatever….he has no clue, I don’t care how much his players “respect” him because he talks quietly lol
September 16th, 2014 at 12:03 pm
MDbucsfan- if all of that is true I would not be the least bit surprised. The shoe fits!
September 16th, 2014 at 12:04 pm
Hey RealityCheck, please enlighten us with how you would make this team a winner. I’m sure you have a vast wealth of experience both playing and coaching the game that Lovie could learn from. I’m sure you’ve built winning teams before and taken those teams to countless championships with tried and true strategies and tactics that work every time. I am sure you get it and those of us that choose to put some trust in some coaches that have actually done something in this league before are the idiotic masses.
So please enlighten us
September 16th, 2014 at 12:05 pm
iamkingsu Says
“We don’t think that Glennon is this all time great qb we just say that he won’t make those mistakes.”
That’s the problem. Glennon made those mistakes every time he had pressure in his face last year. You all have very short memories.
September 16th, 2014 at 12:05 pm
They say don’t mix politics with sports but this is simular, When people protest it may bring about change, when people love the kool aid you will be served more kool aid..
September 16th, 2014 at 12:05 pm
Good news Buc Fans,
This year, we are slated for the first overall selection in the draft. How crappy was it to have a 4-12 record last year, along with 4 other teams, and we had the last pick because of “strength of schedule”.
I got news for you, Buc Fans, losing to Derek Anderson and Austin Davis, at home, will serve a long way towards having our draft positioning reflect the true nature of this team (Charles Barkley Turrible).
September 16th, 2014 at 12:06 pm
“That’s the problem. Glennon made those mistakes every time he had pressure in his face last year. You all have very short memories.”
True. They both suck out loud. So why are they on this team? Oh yeah, Lovie!
September 16th, 2014 at 12:06 pm
DallasBuc…yep. I agree with every single word you just said. This franchise is a mess.
I’ll keep reminding people though, that Greg Schiano (idiot Rutgers coach) won 7 games as an NFL rookie head coach.
Remember him? He was an idiot right?
How many will “proven NFL coach ” Lovie win in his first season as Bucs coach?
How much time do we give this guy? Schiano got a 1 and 1/2 seasons before the “Fire Schiano” billboards went up. What if Lovie does worse? How much time do we give him?
September 16th, 2014 at 12:07 pm
Bonzai,
Can McCown replicate or be greater than 19/9, in his first 13 games as a Buc?
I don’t think so.
Sorry, but Glennon has a chance to be a darn good QB for the Bucs.
McCown, meh.
September 16th, 2014 at 12:07 pm
“The Quarterback Has To Run The Football”
No, he doesn’t.
See, I corrected that for you Lovie.
September 16th, 2014 at 12:08 pm
I have to be honest, I want is best for the bucs overall. As long as Josh Meltdown is in, I want a loss so we get a better draft pick. I will not be excited until i see this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeDzn78MiYg
show me Lovie that you are trying to win and I will root for wins as well!!!!
September 16th, 2014 at 12:08 pm
Soggy…correct and we also have a do-no-wrong man running the country right now too. Ask the media.
September 16th, 2014 at 12:09 pm
I am beginning to think Lovie is full of crap. It’s been proven time and time again that quarterbacks who master the pocket i.e. sliding up and moving side to side have much longer careers than running or scrambling quarterbacks. Peyton Manning, Drew Breese, Tom Brady to name a few. I think coaches need to coach and gm’s need to take care of all personnel decisions with input from the coaching staff. No coach should have total control of personnel decisions. Coaching is a full time job let the personnel people do their jobs. Go Bucs.
September 16th, 2014 at 12:09 pm
JBuc…please visit the last forum post where you asked me the same moronic question. Are you a troll?
September 16th, 2014 at 12:09 pm
DallasBuc Says
“Could argue that things started going down hill when McCay was run out of town.”
McKay was not run out of town. He fled because all of his cap moves were coming to a head and he knew that if he wanted to get another job, he had to do it before his cap management skills were exposed. He pushed cap numbers back year after year until everything came due at once.
While I liked him and his defensive talent spotting skills, he was not run out. Sure, Gruden wanted Bruce Allen. But McKay quit. He wasn’t fired. He COULD have stuck things out.
September 16th, 2014 at 12:10 pm
Buc1987,
I am with you. I believe Schiano did this team one helluva service. Aside from drafting Barron over Kecuhly (at least we passed on Mo Claibourne), Schiano took out the trash. That ranges from Target parking lot Toy Soldier to Josh, I can’t wake up, Freeman.
Schiano did a lot with not very much. IMO, if given the 3rd year he would have improved.
One must wonder, why did Chip Kelly turn us down? Was it because of Freeman/Dominick/Glazers? Not a very appealing bunch to Coach an NFL team with.
September 16th, 2014 at 12:10 pm
They’re not turning this around. Not this year. This year is going to be long and ugly. Maybe next year they make the corrections they need to make but I see nothing that makes me think we can beat anybody this year and I mean ANYBODY. I’m a huge fan but reality is what it is. McCown thinks he’s a gunslinger but he’s out of bullets. Our O-line is getting better but our defense is not even close to what we were last year. We can’t stop the run or the pass. I just don’t see how this coaching philosophy is going to work. We go out and get huge receivers and then we decide to run the ball. Well, we have the third best rushing avg in the NFL and we’re 0-2. How’s that working out Lovie?
September 16th, 2014 at 12:11 pm
The_Buc_Realist Says
“I have to be honest, I want is best for the bucs overall. As long as Josh Meltdown is in, I want a loss so we get a better draft pick.”
Wouldn’t the best thing for the Bucs be a 14 game winning streak and a superbowl win?
But hey, if you think losing is best in order to get a draft pick that probably will not be used on a QB, then that’s your prerogative. Just don’t claim it is best for the Bucs…because it isn’t.
September 16th, 2014 at 12:11 pm
@joe: my dad does crossfit here in Maryland with glennons mom and she told him yesterday that when she talked to mike on the phone he said lovie forbid pass plays in the redzone after the pick. He also said mccown was pissed at lovie after the game and what they said in their press conferences was untrue. The last thing she told him was mike thinks lovie will lose every game this year before he benches mccown.
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Dude, seriously? Well my cousin Sam goes zip lining in Wyoming with Vincent Jackson’s sister and she said that Vincent said that Mike Glennon’s mom should shut up and lift her damn weights! C’mon people, you can do better.
September 16th, 2014 at 12:12 pm
It’s the state of the franchise that has me pissed, and here’s some stats about why:
From 2009 to present: 28-55 record (Winning 34% of games)
From 2011 to present: 15-35 record (Winning 30% of games)
From late 2012 to present: 5-19 record (Winning 21% of games)
This franchise is progressively getting worse. Every stat, metric and visual observation says so.
I’m not mad at Lovie, not really. He hasn’t been responsible for most of the damage. But combined with all the failures of the past, I just don’t have any room for patience anymore. It’s just gotten that bad, and it’s getting worse. I stuck it out in my childhood during the darkest days of this team. And saw my faith finally rewarded in the 90’s and a little beyond. But since then, things really have gone straight to hell. I don’t think I have it in me to stay an intense fan of this team for another 10-15 years of bad management and performance. Probably not even 2 years.
If the Bucs are going to be the Chicago Cubs of the NFL, fine. Lovable losers without any expectations? I can deal with it. Cubs fans don’t enter the season hoping for anything. They just sit back and enjoy baseball being played by their losers and laugh at themselves and take it like good sports. Maybe that’s where we as fans need to go.
It’s not that we need to stop caring, we just need to stop expecting anything good to happen. Stop putting even a fraction of our hopes into them achieving excellence. We haven’t been getting it, and we’re not going to anytime soon. It is what it is. I love the Bucs, but I no longer expect them to win a game. If they do get lucky and pull one out – great! But each week from now on I’m walking in under the assumption that they’re going down. And I’m walking out of the building smiling afterward, because it’s just our same old lovable losers.
Even better, Bucs is an anagram of Cubs. So we’ve already got that in common, along with all the losing.
September 16th, 2014 at 12:13 pm
stevek… I think about Chip Kelly all the time and ponder that question. No lie. I think about Chip Kelly all the time.
September 16th, 2014 at 12:14 pm
Bonzai –
No need to defend Lovie to the MGM or the Firing Squad who will call for anyone’s head.
People don’t understand that HCs don’t grow on trees and while I’m sickened by the product on the field, I very encouraged long term.
People need to let go of what L&L about the playoffs and see this team is building. Just let it unfold people and stop firing everyone.
September 16th, 2014 at 12:15 pm
@MDbucfan – Not to question your dad but I thought Glennon went to Westfields High in Chantilly, VA. That’s not to say that they couldn’t have moved but I was under the impression that they’ve lived for a number of years in the Chantilly/Fairfax area
September 16th, 2014 at 12:15 pm
Jbuc…it could be true. My cousin was the LS for the SB Champion Bucs. So it could be true what he’s saying. I get the whole sisters brothers cousins uncle thingy though.
I also don’t know how Glennon would be inside Lovie’s head though and reading his thoughts. lol
September 16th, 2014 at 12:16 pm
@buccanerbonzai cut the crap you never saw glennon fake a pass and let it slip pick it up and just throw it up for grabs while getting hit lmao. Or you will never see glennon in the grasps of 3 defenders just shockput it in the air. You don’t think this type of play effects his teammates?
September 16th, 2014 at 12:19 pm
“People need to let go of what L&L about the playoffs and see this team is building. Just let it unfold people and stop firing everyone.”
Lovie did all the firing remember? He let go of 1/2 the team. Do you know why?
BECAUSE LOVIE SMITH IS A PROVEN GM. According to you and Bonzai.
This shyte will NOT work. Lovie is a coach that has too much control.
You’ll see.
September 16th, 2014 at 12:19 pm
And remember this too folks: The Bucs are the reigning kings of losing percentage across all major sports in North America. All of them. Out of 120+ teams we rank last in win %. So it’s not like we’re breaking new ground in embracing our team’s destiny.
September 16th, 2014 at 12:22 pm
@BuccaneerBonzai
is it Josh McCheckDown’s 4.8 yards attempted passing that will start the 14 game winning streak? his 16 rush yards per game? His 3 Ints in 2 games? what makes you believe that this is the right way to go for the Bucs?
September 16th, 2014 at 12:22 pm
Actually when Joe first posted the articles about how much control Lovie had with this team. Most of us lost our minds over it. Could not wrap our heads around it.
We see what the product on the field looks like. Others tell us to wait until GM gets us more players. Just keep waiting and waiting, and waiting.
Lovie can win in Tampa. He just needs to do the coaching only.
September 16th, 2014 at 12:23 pm
Alright I’m out for awhile. Time to go watch some Justified. Have a nice day people! 🙂
September 16th, 2014 at 12:24 pm
Well Lovie wanted a quarterback that could run to get out of trouble he should have drafted Johnny Football. That way we could be sitting at 2-0 instead of 0-2. Any chance we can get some “FIRE LOVIE” billboards going?
September 16th, 2014 at 12:24 pm
Bonzai- “McKay was not run out of town.”
First of all lets both admit that we were not in the building at the time so neither one of us knows what really happened. That said, it was my understanding that McCay and Gruden could not agree on player acquisition, retention and overall philosophy. Since Gruden just won a SB and was the hottest coach in the league the Glazers agreed to let him bring in his old GM Bruce Allen from his Oakland days where they had been so successful building that team.
Buc1987…what was your understanding?
September 16th, 2014 at 12:26 pm
Thursday night is THE season for this team. ATL has a non-mobile qb and a garbage OL and garbage Defense, they do not have a a running game, they have an elite qb and 2 elite WRs…the bucs and mclown suck it up thursday on national tv and the season is over and look for bryce petty to come in….and lovie will be known as a huge BULLSP*T on his coaching philosophy and ability to run an organization
September 16th, 2014 at 12:27 pm
he’s going to trade the house for rg3
September 16th, 2014 at 12:50 pm
So, we’re 2 weeks into the season and people are calling for Lovie to be fired… Who the hell saw this coming? Maybe its time to find another team because our fan base is becoming increasingly chocked full of idiots.
September 16th, 2014 at 12:59 pm
white. jones. douglas(who gashes tampa every game for last 3 years) and hester. that makes 4 not 2.
September 16th, 2014 at 1:01 pm
nicely said nic.
September 16th, 2014 at 1:03 pm
JBuc Says:
September 16th, 2014 at 12:11 pm
@joe: my dad does crossfit here in Maryland with glennons mom and she told him yesterday that when she talked to mike on the phone he said lovie forbid pass plays in the redzone after the pick. He also said mccown was pissed at lovie after the game and what they said in their press conferences was untrue. The last thing she told him was mike thinks lovie will lose every game this year before he benches mccown.
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Dude, seriously? Well my cousin Sam goes zip lining in Wyoming with Vincent Jackson’s sister and she said that Vincent said that Mike Glennon’s mom should shut up and lift her damn weights! C’mon people, you can do better.
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Well, I’m doing Vincent’s sister, and I haven’t heard her say Vincent said that!
September 16th, 2014 at 1:13 pm
Coach Smith made significant changes to a team he inherited. He hired a OC that shares his philosophy (balanced offensive attack), and a DC who shares his philosophy. He has said it takes a few games to establish an identity. Be patient.
September 16th, 2014 at 1:21 pm
Wow some of you guys are idiotic. Schiano was given lil to work with???? Wtf are you talking about we signed tons of free agents while he was here he could only win 11 games while he was here. Ha one more then someone who actually got no help in freer agency raheem Morris. Does everyone here know that’s its only been two games!?!??! And ppl want lovie fired are you guys high? We’ve had tons of injuries boneheaded mistakes by our qb(only 3 which he needs to clean up)New offense and d coordinators , no offensive coordinator since the 2nd preseason game,50+ New players. not to mention despite all that we had the chance to be 2-0
U ppl sound like a bunch of babies.geez
September 16th, 2014 at 1:28 pm
Alright you’ll now Lovie has full control over all decisions going forward if he can’t do something as to simply take into consideration to bench josh McCown for these mistakes then that going to make me wonder what else he would be stubborn about. Stubborness is what gets your fired ask kubiak (whether to bench Schaub fox pick 6s) schiano and schwartz
September 16th, 2014 at 1:34 pm
Louis…
The Bucs are the reigning kings of losing percentage across all major sports in North America. All of them.Out of 120+ teams we rank last in win %.
No idea it was that bad.
September 16th, 2014 at 2:09 pm
@patrick in Va: they r from va but have family here where I live and come visit often. I played hs football with his cousin that went on to play at u of Delaware. Just sharing some inside info I stumbled on @jbuc that I believe to be credible. Believe what u want I really don’t care
September 16th, 2014 at 2:27 pm
DallasBuc says : “Since Gruden just won a SB and was the hottest coach in the league the Glazers agreed to let him bring in his old GM Bruce Allen from his Oakland days where they had been so successful building that team.
Buc1987…what was your understanding?”
That’s how I saw it. Except I thought there we’re also rumors that McKay and Gruden didn’t get along too good as well. Either way they brought us our one and only SB to a sorry futile franchise.
There are only about 5,000 or so die hard Buc fans on the planet .I used to swear by this back in the early 90’s. The ones that suffered through it all and watched this team win the Super Bowl.
Something I thought was only possible in Tecmo Bowl back in the day!
Dungy means a lot to me. Gruden too. McKay as well. These people mean so much to me and it’s ONLY football. For us diehard Buc fans you know what I’m saying.
I don’t want to see Lovie go anywhere for the next 3 years at the least. Give him 3 years to adjust, but things are not looking like they will, and my dissatisfaction won’t be silenced.
Carry on. Go Bucs!
Let’s pull off the upset and beat Matty Ice into a bloody pulp on Thursday Day Night Football. How’s that for positive?
September 16th, 2014 at 2:45 pm
Getting awful tired of Lovie. Quickly. Lots of great QB’s don’t run. Some do. Can they make good decisions with the ball is of supreme importance.
September 16th, 2014 at 3:37 pm
Those lame guys posing as QB’s in New England, Denver, New Orleans, San Diego and Atlanta are such frauds.
September 16th, 2014 at 3:55 pm
1987 –
“Lovie did all the firing remember? He let go of 1/2 the team. Do you know why?
BECAUSE LOVIE SMITH IS A PROVEN GM. According to you and Bonzai.
This shyte will NOT work. Lovie is a coach that has too much control.
You’ll see.”
Well you’re damned if you do or you don’t because you cannot argue with results of last years edition of the Bucs. Numbers don’t lie.
I didn’t agree with firing everyone but 60% of the terminations made I liked but Zuttah hurt. As far as Revis goes I get the business element and Verner is a competent CB. Releasing Barth, Hayward and Watson really hurt the depth and STs.
Yes Lovie has control but that’s what was used to lure him here. For those who want him fired already please present me with his replacement – it’s gonna take years to overcome the draft failure which makeup the depth of the team.
3 years is what we have to give him and let him decide on his fate with the qb he chooses.
September 16th, 2014 at 4:24 pm
“3 years is what we have to give him and let him decide on his fate with the qb he chooses.”
Bullsh!t on many levels. First you bring in a guy like Lovie (or Shanahan, Wisenhunt, Fisher, etc.) because ownership feels they have a team that needs to win now for the fanbase and before a lot of the talent leaves for free agency. I’d wager Lovie has two years to reach the playoffs or the Glazers will replace him with an offensive coach (Hell maybe they’ll reach into Malcolm’s bag of tricks and mortgage the farm to get Jim Harbaugh away from the SF Bay Area much like the Bucs paid a random for Gruden many years ago)? Second Lovie already has the guy he chose at QB…his name is Josh McCown. Make no mistake Lovie did not inherit a team with no talent like some Lovie apologists are trying to spin. Schiano and Dom had two solid drafts, Rah and Dom somehow managed to land McCoy and even Foster, plus there was enough salary cap space for Lovie to get guys he thought were upgrades. No Lovie walks into a far better situation than either Morris or Schiano did, so if he really is as good a coach as the apologists say then he will get this fixed this year and field a playoff caliber team next year.
September 16th, 2014 at 5:33 pm
He should’ve just drafted Manziel and trade Glennon for wide receiver or a draft pick if he feels this way. Glennon is traditional pocket passer and good QB with potential, but he does have a point, QBs that can run the football can extend plays, when the offensive line is not doing their job.
September 16th, 2014 at 7:50 pm
The truth is that the Bucs franchise is a billion dollar business without a competent CEO or President leading the organization. Take a look at Man U. It is sliding now too. Malcolm is gone and his boys are clueless. The Glazer boys need to restructure the business and get out of the way. Lovie might very well be a great coach, but does anyone here think a Bill Polian or Rich McKay would have hired a fired college coach with no NFL experience as OC, signed McCown, dumped Revis for nothing, dissolved the OL, and replaced half the roster? And then tell us we are going to win? WTF?
September 17th, 2014 at 12:33 am
So we have one QB that Lovie doesn’t trust to throw in the red zone. And the other QB he doesn’t like because he can’t run the football. Great we suck again. I don’t understand why we didn’t draft a QB if Lovie felt this way.
September 17th, 2014 at 4:21 am
Patrick in VA Says:
September 16th, 2014 at 12:15 pm
@MDbucfan – Not to question your dad but I thought Glennon went to Westfields High in Chantilly, VA. That’s not to say that they couldn’t have moved but I was under the impression that they’ve lived for a number of years in the Chantilly/Fairfax area
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Where do you think Fairfax is? just around the beltway! Anyway, he explained it to you. sounds like his family lives up around Elkton,Md.
Bonzi — You despise Glennon because you hated Schiano. You forget that Schiano made his QB’s wair a Left Leg Brace which your man Freeman said he couldn’t run well with. Oh how some forget. If you go back to the tape that was released on Glennons college play (believed Joe posted it) it showed Glennon scrambling quite well. Schiano would not let him run. If given a fair chance you will see him do a job all can be proud of.