“Cannon” Investigation

May 31st, 2014

YosemiteBucs general manager Jason Licht remarked recently how Mike Glennon has displayed a “cannon” of an arm.

New starting center Evan Dietrich-Smith said the same thing — “a freaking cannon” — to a national radio audience this week, and Josh McCown has talked about Glennon’s velocity, saying “he can really spin it.”

Now Joe doesn’t think those guys are fabricating anything, but Joe doesn’t see a “cannon” on No. 8, nor did Joe see it last season. Joe also doesn’t recall various analysts and Bucs teammates remarking about the rocket arm of Glennon last year.

Joe spoke 1-on-1 to all kinds of ex-NFL players during Super Bowl Media Day about Glennon. Joe got all kinds of evaluations, including from the likes of Warren Sapp, Kurt Warner, Amani Toomer, Rich Gannon, Gil Brandt and others. Joe heard good and bad about Glennon, but Joe never heard “cannon” chatter.

So what is going on?

Perhaps Glennon has benefited from being coached by two quarterbacks gurus and former QBs in Jeff Tedford and Marcus Arroyo? Maybe the “5 to 10 pounds” of muscle Glennon added this offseason, so Glennon told Joe, is making a difference?

Again, Joe hasn’t seen new arm strength in practice, but Joe isn’t welcome to watch every second Glennon trains.

Many readers here believe Joe has some sort of hatred of Glennon and/or wants Glennon to fail. Neither is true. Joe just wants the Bucs to win Super Bowls, and Joe doesn’t think Glennon has the potential to get them there. That’s why Joe was hoping/praying the Bucs would have drafted Johnny Football or Teddy Bridgewater.

Maybe Glennon does have a “cannon” now. But that doesn’t mean it will appear when the real whistles blow. Some guys are practice greats, and aspects of their games fall back a notch or two when things get real.

Joe plans to do more investigation into the Glennon cannon in the coming weeks. Of course, Joe will share all sides of the research.

84 Responses to ““Cannon” Investigation”

  1. The_Buc_Realist Says:

    I was hoping that Glennon did what Tom Brady did, and go see a guru that tightened up his spiral. that is all that MG8 needs. and maybe Teford will do the same thing.

    As for the cannon, just watch the video Joe!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeDzn78MiYg

  2. lightningbuc Says:

    The difference between Babe Ruth and Joe is that Babe Ruth actually hit a home run every once in a while between the “swing and a miss”.

    JOE KNOWS QBs!

  3. Destinjohnny Says:

    As he gets more comfortable with his reads you will see him step into his throws a lot more. Also he is on a nfl weight programs so u will see some of that payoff. Does he have a strong arm yes a cannon almost

  4. Keith Says:

    If Glennon was so good somebody would have coughed up a second round pick for him a few weeks ago. Please don’t try to tell me the Bucs would have turned that down.

  5. bigpoppabuc Says:

    He’s always had a strong arm, Joe. His release isn’t the quickest but it’s quick enough and he’s Always had great zip on his throws. I don’t see how you don’t see it. Maybe his arm isn’t as strong as Freeman’s, but he’s ten times more accurate.

    watch the tape, Joe. The arm strength is most definitely there. And then go watch his college tape, its there, too. Not sure how you can dispute this or feel the need to “investigate”

    sorry, Joe. But it looks like you’re gonna be late to the party that has seen the qualities mike Glennon brings to the football field. But all of us MGMers will be right here to say, “I told you so”.

  6. That Guy Says:

    He’s shown arm strength at least as strong as Lee’s cell phone reception.

  7. Chef Paul Says:

    I have to admit. I find a little suspicious that everyone keeps using the same word: Cannon.

    Almost as if they were taught to say that word. Like when Rush Limbaugh and Jon Stewart do that bit where they show all the media using the same key words and phrases over and over again. Why only cannon. No “rocket”, or “howitzer”. Just cannon. What they are up to, can only be speculated. But it sure seems they are up to something. Or maybe I’m just a nut job conspiracy theorist.

  8. SAMCRO Says:

    There’s only one way to friggin settle this. Have Glennon toss you some cannon shot. Tell him to aim at your head. Let’s see how many JOE catches before he gets beamed in the eye, because evidently that’s what its gonna take to convince you.

  9. Eric Says:

    Love the Yosemite Sam pic.

    I wish Glennon could move like the Tasmanian Devil.

  10. Buchead407 Says:

    I agree with everything you are saying joe But i feel like iv read this same article about three or four times now

  11. Mike Says:

    If I’m not mistaken, didn’t Gruden’s say that Glennon had a rocket launcher of an arm? I’ll have to look it up again, but I’m sure that’s what he said. And that was last year before the draft

  12. iamabuc Says:

    I really dont care much for “a cannon of an arm”, as long as he is accurate, I remember Leftwich an his cannon arm, throwing so hard nobody could catch the ball.

  13. Eric Says:

    Gruden said Glennon can make throws even Favre couldn’t make or would even attempt.

    Pretty sure in that Gruden-camp video, Gruden was referring to one specific pass off college film. –Joe

  14. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    So Joe disagrees with some on the cannon issue….but there is no doubt in my mind that Joe is being sarcastic with his articles about this subject…..I have been searching the Internet for the definition of “cannon” when it comes to football throws….One person’s cannon is another person’s linguini arm…..Glennon surely falls closer to the cannon.

    The only cannon I care about is the one that goes off at the Ray Jay……and I really don’t much care which QB makes that happen.

  15. MadMax Says:

    Holy hell joes…you really hate being wrong about freeman so much that youve turned your blog into an anti Glennon blog this much????…and THIS LATE after the draft?

    Get the F over it already dude..Holy FN GDmn, MthFK!

    Joe has no problem being wrong about anything. Of course Joe isn’t right all the time. Joe pounded the same don’t-draft-Josh drum just like he pounded the draft-Johnny drum. Both are ancient history. Joe doesn’t shy away from his suggestion the Bucs give Freeman a team-friendly contract extension after the 2012 season. Seemed wise, as long as it didn’t commit the Bucs to a massive bankroll of the guy. … Joe wonders whether you even read what was written in this post. It’s not anti-Glennon at all. –Joe

  16. IdahoBucsfan Says:

    I just don’t think Joe is able to be impartial. You seem able to spin every article that includes discussion of Any QB into a diatribe which ends with “Mike just isn’t good enough”! OK!!!!! We Get It! You don’t think he’s good enough!!!!Now how about doing everyone a favor and bring back the style and professionalism that we were accustomed to before the Freeman fiasco threw you off the rails!

    Yawn. Stop the drama, please. –Joe

  17. Joe Says:

    Chef Paul:

    Glad someone else caught that.

  18. RastaMon Says:

    Bwahahaaha…the Glennon Lynch Mob is hanging themselves with their own rope……Bwhahahahaha

  19. Joe Says:

    You don’t think he’s good enough!!!!Now how about doing everyone a favor and bring back the style and professionalism that we were accustomed to before the Freeman fiasco threw you off the rails!

    You mean when Joe referred to Freeman before he was drafted as a “bust in waiting?”

  20. JT Says:

    No Joe,no one thinks you hate Glennon. But Duemig shows ZERO objectivity when the topic comes up.
    As for me I don’t think Glennon is anything special. His stats were pretty good but how many times did he will us to victory. how many times did he stand up when things were crumbling around him and take control? Would you want Glennon as your guy with two minutes left down by five and a wildcard berth on the line? I didn’t think so.

  21. Mike Says:

    “Don’t let that pencil neck fool you. This Glennon kid’s got a rocket in that right arm. NASA might have to register that *&^%’n thing. You turn the damn college tape on and he’s Brett Favre with five inches and a brain the size of a basketball.”
    It was rocket that he said. I knew it was something to that effect

  22. Eric Says:

    Obviously Free imploded.

    But didn’t he have a cannon too?

    Stronger arm than Glennon?

    More mobile? Better athlete?

  23. stevek Says:

    Mike “Cannon” Glennon is the Buccaneer Franchise QB of the future.

    He will get to a super bowl before Teddy Small hands, Jake Bortles or Johnny Foolsball.

  24. RealityCheck Says:

    The last play of the video that The_Buc_Realist posted shows Glennon easily throwing an accurate 60 yard bomb through the air. His short passes always have nice zip on the ball. I don’t really understand what the debate is about. What does he have to do to prove he has a “cannon”..whatever that means? Is he supposed to break fingers or something?

  25. Mike Glennon Mob Says:

    Joe, go watch the tape.

  26. Couch Fan Says:

    Joe, save yourself some time and wait for the season to start. Then you will see plenty of the Cannon.

    — LONG LIVE THE MGM AND THE GINGER CANNON!!!

  27. unbelievable Says:

    @Chef Paul, I agree, I also think it’s very weird that everyone just started using the word “cannon”.

    Looking back at last year, there were times when Glennon threw a nice rocket downfield. But, there were also many times he threw balls with no zip on them at all, or that were very off target, 10 yards short or out of bounds. And wasn’t he one of the slowest passers at the combine (in MPH)?

    So let’s not all forget that. I just want the best damn quarterback on our roster to succeed. If he’s improved, and his passing is better, then that’s great. If he outplays McCown, then start him.

  28. bucray1 Says:

    joe can’ t see it , so naturally it doesn’t exist. get over yourself joe. I guess ignorance IS blind.

  29. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    “Cannon”.

    Suuuuure.

    Sorry, but I have not seen any cannon on Glennon. I have not seen the accuracy everyone talks about either. Not in deep to moderate ranges.

    However, I still hope he develops what he needs to excel. EXCEL.

    Good word, because if he doesn’t I want someone who can.

  30. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    And, I seem to recall Trent Dilfer having such a cannon that WRs complained he was throwing it too hard.

    Even if Glennon has a cannon…it doesn’t mean squat.

  31. delson Says:

    Yeah I don’t understand this article. Joe HAS TO know all players n coaches talk to the media a certain way. Ur like that crazy gf digging for dirt. I’m glad glennon doesn’t have the bullet pass of freeman or kaepernick u know those uncatchable balls that could break a hand. Epecially freemans bullet dump offs. Glennon can make every throw. Did u see that seahawk scramble n pass? To tim wright I wonder how he zipped that ball in there.

  32. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Couch Fan Says
    “Joe, save yourself some time and wait for the season to start. Then you will see plenty of the Cannon.”

    We’ll see. I will be surprised if elderly JOSH MCCOWN has one.

  33. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    And, even the weakest of QBs throws the occasional accurate deep ball. The question is not IF he can do it, but IF he can do it consistently during games. Which he has not.

  34. Couch Fan Says:

    You sure are critical of someone you say you do not hate… but yet I remember Freeman not doing any wrong in your eyes. Lol. I know, I know you have learned from your ways. Sure, sure. Glennon will make a believer out of you soon enough.

    –LONG LIVE THE MGM AND THE GINGER CANNON!!!!!

  35. Back, from Davie Jones Locker Says:

    I’ve noted before- but it was odd about Glennon. He had great velocity up to about 30 yards. He really threw a hard, tight spiral.
    But over 30 yards, most of his passes floated. They went from being on a line, to having a high Arc.

    Just my opinion, but I don’t think it’s his Arm. I think it was footwork and Body mass. On throws around thirty feet, most QBs don’t move their feet, they lean foward, and back heel twist and lifts- to provide torque.

    Many NFL QBs move their front foot foward a small step on long throws.
    They set their feet, then move the front foot foward, driving the ball, and “digging in “with their toes on the front foot. It’s the same thing you see boxers do- when trying to throw power shots!

    Plus, as Eistein proved, Mass contributes to momentum to velocity.
    Glennon adds muscle to core strength, it should add to his ability to generate torque.

    He didn’t have a Cannon last year. With added muscle and technique, he may have one this year. He has length- that is a factor you can’t teach

    I hope the guy can throw it brick walls this year. We have given him numerous weapons- that can win match ups with with size or Speed.

    Just get there, Mike- I think they can do the rest!

  36. tickrdr Says:

    Eric Says:
    May 31st, 2014 at 1:00 pm

    Gruden said Glennon can make throws even Favre couldn’t make or would even attempt.

    Pretty sure in that Gruden-camp video, Gruden was referring to one specific pass off college film. –Joe
    ——————————————————————————–

    I found this at some site.
    Glennon’s Upside

    Glennon looks like an NFL quarterback. At 6’6” and 225 pounds, the third-round pick has the body. And according to Jon Gruden, Glennon has the arm strength too.

    “The one thing that you can do as well as anybody in the country, anybody we’ve had in here, is throw the ball,” said Gruden to Glennon on the ESPN show Gruden’s QB Camp.

    Gruden also told ESPN’s Pat Yasinskas more about Glennon in a sit-down after the show.

    Specifically, he can flat-out drive the football. The guy can absolutely hum it. Glennon can throw the ball to the wide side of the field effortlessly. In college, with the wider hashmarks, when you throw the ball to the wide side of the field, it’s a big-time throw. In fact, there are some programs that don’t even attempt it — they don’t even bother asking a QB to attempt a wide-side throw down the field. That’s not the case with Glennon.

    This guy can make some really difficult down-the-field throws. If you watch the camp session with Glennon, you’ll see we went through a “Fox Two XY Hook.” I coached that pattern for 18 years. I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a QB at any level throw it with the ease Glennon can. Brett Favre threw a certain second-reaction post, by my count, about four times in his career. I saw Glennon throw it four times last season.

    —–

    tickrdr

  37. WobbleBuc Says:

    Only Licht and EDS have said cannon and it’s likely that EDS heard Licht say it and that’s the word that now comes to mind when he thinks of a powerful arm. I highly doubt they are in the meeting rooms discussing what term to use to describe Glennon. I do think he has the arm strength and accuracy needed but last year the number of bomb….ER cannonballs that sailed out if bounds bothered me. He has to tighten that up and I expect he will.

  38. RustyRhino Says:

    @ Joe. “Some guys are practice greats, and aspects of their games fall back a notch or two when things get real.”

    And some guys have great college careers but never can duplicate it in the NFL. My point is Johnny and Teddy are not our QB’s they are on other NFL ball clubs. So as of them being there they will never ever get us to the Super Bowl. Glennon and McCown have the potential ability to take us to the Super Bowl because they are on the Buccaneers team this season.

    “Joe just wants the Bucs to win Super Bowls, and Joe doesn’t think Glennon has the potential to get them there. That’s why Joe was hoping/praying the Bucs would have drafted Johnny Football or Teddy Bridgewater.”
    Is this because they have the “potential” to take the Cleveland Browns and Minnesota Vikings to the Super Bowl this season? Those teams Fans sure hope and pray like you do for that to happen. Good luck….
    Go Glennon! Go McCown! Go Bucs!

  39. tickrdr Says:

    I just signed up for NFL Game Rewind recently, and in my opinion is well worth the money. I’m sorry but I don’t have a way of copying the clip of Jon Gruden commenting on MNF (Bucs vs. Dolphins) about MG8 @ the 1:43 mark of the 1st Quarter, but this is an exact quote from Gruden on the Closed Captions (just before the long pass to VJax that drew a DPI)

    “This is Glennon…… he has a CANNON, OK, Glennon has a CANNON. There is no question about that. There is a lot of Joe Flacco mannerisms in Mike Glennon. you have seen it early already., and he’s sharp and passionate about the game. I think he’s got a bright future.”
    —————————————————————————-

    WOW, someone thinks he’s got a CANNON, and not the one with the broken wheel from the old “F” troop show that you posted yesterday, LOL.
    I’ll go with “The Ginger Cannon” if that’s the choice, but I still like Napoleon DynaMike the best.

    tickrdr (charter member of the MGM)

  40. Lou. Says:

    I wanted Josh to succeed. Over the years I observed he had a hard time leading receivers across the field. His vertical route throws were best but on horizontal patterns the receivers did not seem to get the ball in stride. Not a hate, just an observation.

    Then Tarkington threw gasoline on the fire last year by criticizing Josh in preseason. In an explanatory radio interview he explained that arm strength is overrated. He wants a qb with decision-making and leadership. In fact, a big arm can get you in trouble when a qb tries throwing into tight windows instead of locating an open receiver. Tarkington stressed that it was up to the qb to learn systems and get ready to play — he was very unsympathetic to the “so many coordinators” meme.

    On Glennon, I see no rocket. Doesn’t bother me too much. My own observation — and concern — is that he takes too long to decide under pressure. The whole Rams game, for example — a weak secondary with a fierce rush.

    Here’s hoping McCown or Glennon can succeed. If not, remember that JF and Bridgewater were both on the board at 22.

  41. Robert7 Says:

    Perhaps you weren’t asking the right questions

  42. Lou. Says:

    P.s. That last is suggesting that qbs are surviving longer in the draft these days than they used to. Not a complaint we didn’t take JF or Bridgewater or even Carr or Garrapollo — rather, hope that we can take a qb with our pick next year if we need to — and even if our pick is later than this year’s.

  43. Espo Says:

    I would think a qb with a cannon would be able to lead receivers on deep balls instead of letting VJax bail him out. He hit Kid n Play with a beauty but other than that he consistently under throws deep balls. I don’t know if that’s a strength issue or if he needs to get a better feel for deep accuracy. I guess we’ll have our Bucs “future” to see if he improves.

  44. Bucfan#37 Says:

    Even the word cannon when used to describe MG’s passing strength draws complaints. The word cannon fits well with the word Buccaneers and the cannon fire after a score. Pirates use cannons in their offense. The perfect word to describe Glennon is cannon.

  45. Buc1987 Says:

    March 25, 2013 Dan Hanzus Around the League writer

    In his glowing review of Glennon last week, NFL draft analyst Bucky Brooks wrote that he sees glimpses of Baltimore Ravens quarterback Joe Flacco. Glennon has size and a big-time arm, but questions of mobility and faulty decision-making have kept his draft profile relatively low.

    April 26th, 2013 Joe Bucs Fan

    @AdamSchein: Love Glennon to TB. My guys Phil Simms and @RichGannon12 thought he was 2nd best QB in draft.

    April 22, 2013 By Joe Giglio News and Observer

    “You know what I like more than anything?” Gruden asked Glennon. “You’re standing in there. I mean, your right tackle is on the ground. The defensive tackle is beating down on you and you stand in the face of the rush and make a great throw.”

    Jan 11 2013 Mel Kiper Jr SBNation

    Kiper notes that Glennon was “a victim of tons of drops” and “the tape will help his case.” The bowl game wasn’t pretty, but Glennon could put on a great showing in Mobile. “I don’t see him as an immediate starter in an ideal situation, but he has a high ceiling. A guy who could actually get better between now and the draft,” Kiper wrote.

    November 1st, 2013 Ron Jaworski on 620 AM

    The way Mike Glennon is playing and progressing the Bucs have no reason to draft a quarterback.

    Apr 26, 2013 RotoWorld

    Glennon (6-7, 225) took over NC State’s offense following Russell Wilson’s transfer and started two seasons, completing 60.3 percent of his throws with a 62:29 TD-to-INT ratio. Glennon is Rotoworld draft analyst Josh Norris’ No. 4 QB in this class. Built like a young Joe Flacco with a powerful downfield arm, Glennon is an accurate deep passer. “Built like an oak tree,” ESPN’s Ron Jaworski has described. Glennon isn’t a quality athlete, tends to hold onto the ball too long, and too often retreats rather than stepping up amid collapsing pockets. Sheer arm talent still makes him a quality developmental project — and a great fit for Bucs OC Mike Sullivan’s vertical scheme. Josh Freeman should consider himself on notice.

    Nov. 21, 2013 Gregg Rosenthal NFL.com

    “Mike Glennon is so far more advanced than RGIII playing NFL quarterback that it’s not even close,” Cosell told WFHS-FM in Tampa this week. “They shouldn’t even be in the same discussion.”

    “When your quarterback makes difficult anticipation throws, everything about your offense tends to look better,” Cosell said. “For instance, I’ll give you an example of a throw that was made this week by Glennon. When he hit Underwood for 20 yards in the second quarter down inside the 10, that was a classic anticipation throw.

    “He threw Underwood open. If I showed you the film and froze it just as Glennon was making his delivery, you’d say, ‘Who’s he throwing it to?’ That’s a litmus test throw that helps measure future success.

    “That throw would not have been made by Josh Freeman. It wouldn’t have entered his mind.”

    9/25/13 Pat Yasinskas BSPN

    Jon Gruden:
    “This guy can make some really difficult down-the-field throws. If you watch the camp session with Glennon, you’ll see we went through a “Fox Two XY Hook.” I coached that pattern for 18 years. I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a QB at any level throw it with the ease Glennon can. Brett Favre threw a certain second-reaction post, by my count, about four times in his career. I saw Glennon throw it four times last season.”

    Darin Gantt on January 15, 2014 NBC Sports

    Jeff Tedford :
    “My first impression is he does a lot of good things,’’ Tedford said, via Pat Yasinskas of ESPN.com. “He’s a rookie, he took over in the fourth game. I think his growth and development, I saw some progression through the year with him. I think he’s got a lot of poise in the pocket. I don’t think he gets frustrated in the pocket.

    “He’s pretty smart with the football. When things aren’t there, he’s throwing it away and making good decisions. Good decisions come in many forms, whether you’re trying to complete a pass, throw the football away, manage the clock, whatever it may be. I see a lot of real positive things with Mike and I’m really looking forward to getting to know him better, to be able to sit down and actually talk about things.’’

    May 8 2013 Pat Yasinskas BSPN

    Lovie Smith :
    “You know how much I like Josh McCown as our starter. I love Mike Glennon. Mike Glennon is our quarterback of the future here. So why would you want to add a third quarterback to the mix?”

    Now I can find plenty more good things being said out there about this kid. Probably more good things than bad by a longshot. The naysayers for now should just shut their mouths (or keyboards) and trust in Lovie to do what’s right by our team. What choice do they have anyways?

    Yes, there’s a lot out there on Glennon — pro and con. Simms and Gannon calling him the second best QB in the draft last year — before the draft — isn’t really a big stamp of excellence, though. Ironically, now Gannon is convinced Glennon is “the man” and Simms is convinced Glennon is good backup material only. Kind of par for the Glennon course.–Joe

  46. Buc1987 Says:

    “Built like a young Joe Flacco with a powerful downfield arm, Glennon is an accurate deep passer. “Built like an oak tree,” ESPN’s Ron Jaworski has described.”

  47. Buc1987 Says:

    Ron Jaworski The Polish rifle. Not quite a cannon, but a rifle.

  48. feelthepewterpower Says:

    All this talk about arm strength, and Buccs coaching never allowed the guy to unleassh the “cannon”? I know, I know, he had no offensive line help or receiver help excuse. Shame on them. BTW, most of the throws in the youtube 2013 Glennon Highlight film are underthrown that VJax has to adjust to with defenders on them. Compare Glennon’s highlight film to McCown and it’s easy to see McCown has a little more zip and spiral on the football. I only noted one strong throw (and it wasn’t a cannon, just blown coverage) in the Detroit game from Glennon’s ihghlights.

    Glennon needs to step into his throws more if anything.

  49. Danati74 Says:

    Glennon was said to have one of the best arms coming out of the draft last year. I think even Phil Simms tooted his horn. toot toot. I’m not the biggest Glennon fan, but I would have taken him over The Josh any day. Now for at least this year he will get an opportunity again to shine, If he beats out The new Josh, well to this team. If Glennon doest work we could get 2 of the best QBs in the draft next year. Which are better than the guys that came out this year.

  50. Barry Says:

    NFL network ranked starting QBs last year, Mike Cannon ranked, according to them, top 5 in arm strength and making every NFL throw. Mike Mayock pre draft, “I don’t understand Tampa talking quarterback when they got Mike Cannon, I really don’t”.

  51. Barry Says:

    Some people say they don’t want Mike Cannon to fail. I beg to differ.

  52. Eric Says:

    All well and good but until the man shows he can lead a team to victory in the fourth quarter with the game on the line, it’s all moot.

    He folded quite a bit in college, and not so good in second half in the pros so far.

    A cannon with poor decision making, or with a player who is afraid to fire it downfield with the game on the line, is worthless.

    Got a long way to go.

  53. Tnew Says:

    No slant at all joe. Just continue to second guess every positive comment about Glennon but prop up every negative. I know you don’t hate the guy but maybe just maybe he is a little better than meh. Who knows, the second best qb might be better than the 2nd best qb from this years draft.

    Joe always has lots of slants. They’re called opinions. –Joe

  54. Piratic Says:

    JT Says:
    May 31st, 2014 at 1:07 pm
    “…but how many times did he will us to victory. how many times did he stand up when things were crumbling around him and take control?”

    -Sooo, with a known micromanaging tyrant of a HC, MG8 (a rookie) is expected to “take control”!? That does not compute. And please don’t forget the Seahawks game. I seem to recall a QB “taking control” and then having that control quicky snatched away from him.

    TANGENT ALERT!

    Understand, I’ve taken no stance on this ongoing QB debacle, because I root for the Flag, not the Player. I literally COULD NOT CARE LESS who our QB is.
    But for some of you, not necessarily you JT, being “right” is more important than being a “fan”. I used to HATE fans that didn’t understand very much about the game, you know, the type that usually just cheers when everyone else does, goes to the game just to socialize, etc. But now, I have no problem with the fan that freely admits to their lack of football IQ, simply because they don’t feel the need to be “right”.
    All of this back-and-forth “I’m right and you’re wrong” is great for Joe and his sponsors, but is divisive. These conversations should result in a more unified, educated fanbase. It’s not an outrageously unreasonable goal. If we had 5 more fans like BamBamBuc, or a dozen more like Hawaiian Buc, or even a steady dose of cogent takes by the likes of tickrdr or Architek or The_Buc_Realist (on a good day) or even the admitted-homer, Bucs1987, (I’m forgetting to mention many of you, simply because I can’t recall so many screen names, but there are good takes out there, but not nearly enough to challenge the bristling, low-fruit-picking majority) this site would be off-the-charts great!
    The owners have (finally) put a proven HC back in charge. What better time to loosen the proverbial clenched fist a little bit, and allow yourself the comfort of knowing, with more than a little certainty, that Lovie will right this ship to our satisfaction. I wholeheartedly look forward to this new era in Buccaneers football. As fellow fans, I hope that you will, too.
    –Anyway, as a fan, you’ll be here no matter what, so what’s stopping you from being, you know, POSITIVE while learning about our (literally) new-look roster?

  55. Oil Derrick Brooks Says:

    Get on it, Buford T. Justice.

  56. The_Buc_Realist Says:

    @Oil Derrick Brooks

    LOL, everyone watch out, Joe is in Hot Pursuit!

  57. buc4lyfe Says:

    I cannot wait until training camp! Everyone has zip on the ball when their throwing 10 yards downfield. Technically if he’s accurate which he is then he can be efficient but he looks like Chad Pennington. Had great years got Miami

    But honestly of all the quarterbacks with strong arms Mike cannon is the only one in the league who has his arm strength questioned if that’s the case he has an average arm but who cares if he’s winning. Freeman had a cannon but he sucked so did that matter in end

  58. RustyRhinos Says:

    Come on Eric,
    Glennon has come back from 27 points down at the half against Maryland in 2011 and won that game. He didn’t fold in that game.
    Glennon came back from 13 down against florida state in 2012, won the game by converting fourth and goal less than 20 seconds left in regulation.
    It did not look like he folded or was afraid to fire the ball down field with the game on the line.

    Yes this was in college not the NFL I know..

  59. buc4lyfe Says:

    The_Buc_Realist

    Lol you look like an idiot for posting that link just so you know…..there’s a video showing all of Freeman bad passes against Miami lol but the bucs are winning the game. Hey someone remind me haha how did glennon play last year in game 4 of the preseason against a bunch a dudes desperate to make the team? Hmm yea repost your comments after that game Joe. This league is full of accurate guts scared to death of a pass rush, your no franchise qb if you slide before getting a first on a third down play

  60. buc4lyfe Says:

    RustyRhinos

    Yes this was in college not the NFL

    1 comeback in 2011, 2012, Zero comebacks in 2013

    So sad cuz there’s a lot of people setting themselves up for heartbreak lol IF it happens please don’t disappear from jbf

  61. stanglassman Says:

    Now it’s because of Freeman that the Joes don’t think Glennon should start over Mccown? I can’t even keep up with all these evolving theories of why people do not believe Glennon is a great QB and should start this season. I thought it was just because of his play last year and that the coaching staff was looking for a more athletic QB in their new system.

  62. kevin Says:

    When I saw Glennon throwing the ball…the zip and accuracy reminded me og tom brady. Doesnt mean I think he is the next Tom Brady….but I liked the way he threw the ball.

  63. Eric Says:

    Virtually every scouting report about Glennon says same thing.

    Great arm, inaccurate, bad under pressure due to decision making, poor mobility.

    Sounds very familiar watching him play last year. He really fell apart under pressure, which teams figured out. Pretty helpless those last four.

    Now maybe he can overcome all that and do in the pros what he couldn’t in college. But that is a tall order.

  64. MadMax Says:

    Its all good Joes….just busting chops with ya! But you’ll see, MG8 is our guy.

  65. Tnew Says:

    Last time I said you had written a slanted piece you were quick to point out “no slant here”. At least now you state the facts, your opinion is slanted.

    Sir, every opinion is slanted by definition. Yours, Joe’s, CNN, Glenn Beck, etc., not sure why you don’t get that. Previously, you claimed Joe had slanted a post “against” Glennon. That was inaccurate, so Joe let you know that. –Joe

    I could speculate to the why regarding Glennon. Sure he makes me nervous as well but so would’ve any qb in this draft, more so even. This was a more prudent path then drafting a qb. Instead of the constant “something spooked lovie and licht” in every third article about Glennon, it could be, “what did they see in person that changed their thoughts about him?”

    If McCown falls on his face or gets hurt, then it could be an issue, but all the reports I see are that he has been sharp, very sharp during ota’s. Also, glennon’s reports seem to be positive, tho not up to the standard that McCown is setting. I’m not there to watch the practices and am not privy to the inside communication that you are, but I would love to know why he can’t improve after a season with a real coach.
    We haven’t had an actual nfl coach in Tampa since Gruden was fired, I for one am ready to believe in these guys. Right now that includes the qb’s. If they fall flat… Then I will be ready to find a new qb, now..GO BUCS

  66. buc'd Up Says:

    @ Mike

    Brett Favre? Really? You mobbers are going way too far. How about being optimistic for a nice improvement over last season and a step forward in becoming a great qb.
    That’s at least reasonable. Instead the mob is calling for the second coming of Joe Montana in this kids second season that he probably won’t even start.

  67. MadMax Says:

    @buc’d up

    Nice point! Give him a chance under REAL Coaching and professional play calling! No he isnt the 2nd coming of Montana or Favre….he’s Mike Glennon (writing his own story) who has a superb mind for the game of football and his craft towards contributing to it..and he’s pretty damn good…who was a rookie thrown into the fire last year!

    I feel sorry for you all who fail or choose to be blind to that fact. But go ahead and hate/criticize him….its all the better for us MG8 fans who SEE and APPRECIATE the determination in him!

    You’ll come around too once we’re winning….just remember your stupid premature criticisms…smdh!

  68. Buc1987 Says:

    “Get on it, Buford T. Justice.”

    ODB..that’s HILARIOUS!

  69. Buc1987 Says:

    Piratic…hey thanks and well said. From: A self admitted homer.

  70. lurker Says:

    a “canon” in practice, that wilts under pressure, to “party popper” in a game.

  71. Kramden Says:

    This “Cannon” theme reminds me of how the Libs questioned the “Gravitas” of GW Bush to steer voters away from him years ago.

  72. lurker Says:

    since when is a “party popper” a cannon?

    why is a pro qb who throws ducks regularly and needs receivers to bail him out as much as they dropped balls, a good thing? thank goodness for mccown.

  73. Aaron Says:

    I’m not on the Glennon bandwagon – as a bucs fan I hope to god I’m wrong and he does end up being the next “something” special.

    I think people confuse his lack of arm strength due to under throwing every single deep ball last season. (Minus the one he threw to underwood against the lions) with his ability to throw darts on out and seem routes etc…Maybe he just needed to learn how to anticipate the long ball throw…or he didn’t have confidence to make the throw or read the throw in time and made the throw late…which results in a under thrown ball….

  74. White Tiger Says:

    TC begins in another month – beyond that, preseason – this is known as positioning.

    Perhaps the Bucs fielded trade offers for Glennon during the NFL draft, or perhaps not?

    …or perhaps the trade offers they received weren’t high enough for a second year pro QB with 13 starts under his belt (and a great TD to INT ratio – even if it was in a losing effort)?

    Bottom line is, the Bucs don’t have a quality back-up without Glennon, so this may just be posturing for next year, but it’s definitely posturing for some specific purpose. Probably for a 3rd to 2nd rounder from teams needing to replace a starter who’s gone down to an TC/preseason injury – which would be the only way to get that much for Glennon.

    Personally, I’m going to have see Tedfords offense before I accept that it’s great/sucks….let’s just say I’m skeptical that running something akin to Cal’s offense….will be any more successful than Schiano’s “Rutgers Way” …

    The assembled talent oughtta be able to play swing-man, high-post/low-post, veer-read option – offensive line is still a concern for me. I don’t know if our new LOT is good fit for a zone scheme?

  75. Mike Says:

    @ buc’d Up
    1st off I’m not a part of the MGM, but I will support the kid because he puts on a Bucs uniform.
    2nd I never compared Glennon to Farve. Had you read my post before that, you would see that it was a statement that Jon Gruden made of Glennon. Joe made it easy to find because its in the archives here

  76. Mike Says:

    I went to that statement because Joe said he never anyone say that Glennon had a cannon. A reminder that someone has made the statement about Glennon’s arm and nothing more

  77. SteveK Says:

    Glennon has a cannon and a future as Buccaneer franchise QB.

    Book it.

  78. Jordan Says:

    Can we all agree that who you play against matters? McCown’s 6 starts featured 4 games against some of the worst defenses in the NFL (32nd, 31st, 27th, and 24th). Contrarily, Mike Glennon had to face the top four defenses five times, the top ten defenses seven times. If you can put up Mike Glennon numbers as a rookie playing over half of your games against the top 1/3 of NFL defenses, then I have no doubt that he will be the starting QB for the Bucs in week 1.

  79. Brian Says:

    He’s always had a very strong arm. He had the strongest arm in last years draft class…he throws lasers on short and intermediate throws but his mechanics caused his deep balls to flutters last year.

  80. lurker Says:

    “Can we all agree that who you play against matters? McCown’s 6 starts featured 4 games against some of the worst defenses in the NFL (32nd, 31st, 27th, and 24th). Contrarily, Mike Glennon had to face the top four defenses five times, the top ten defenses seven times. If you can put up Mike Glennon numbers as a rookie playing over half of your games against the top 1/3 of NFL defenses, then I have no doubt that he will be the starting QB for the Bucs in week 1″

    that is all voodoo

    if your aunt had balls she’d be your uncle…voodoo, man, voodoo.

  81. tickrdr Says:

    Jordan Says:
    June 1st, 2014 at 8:45 am

    Can we all agree that who you play against matters? McCown’s 6 starts featured 4 games against some of the worst defenses in the NFL (32nd, 31st, 27th, and 24th). Contrarily, Mike Glennon had to face the top four defenses five times, the top ten defenses seven times. If you can put up Mike Glennon numbers as a rookie playing over half of your games against the top 1/3 of NFL defenses, then I have no doubt that he will be the starting QB for the Bucs in week 1.

    ————————————————————
    Excellent points, and agree completely, Jordan.

    tickrdr

  82. phil Says:

    If we would had drafted Johnny Football it wouldn’t matter.

  83. BuccaKnight Says:

    It may be just me (NOT A QB GURU BY ANY MEANS), but watching MG8′s throwing motion is a breath of fresh air compared to what we’ve had here in TB in recent years. For a 10 ft QB, his motion is very compact and quick and looks the same every throw (at least his upper body). He shows good anticipation and the throws are damn near perfect spirals every time, especially in the short to intermediate routes. I think he may be perfect for tedford’s offense considering his short-intermediate prowess. I agree that receivers had to adjust to underthrown passes at times. I think dude tries to drop it in a basket a lot of times showing too much touch and it causes many underthrows.

    I think if the Bucs had to depend on him to win a couple of games, he could do it. If we had to depend on him to take us all the way, without a solid defense, it would be impossible. BUT With the reincarnation of the TAMPA 2, I think winning would be a little easier for him in this system because he takes care of the football. Ideal backup, but as for a starter MG8 is shooting par or slightly below.

    REMEMBER, Lovie said he was the “QB of the future”, notice he didn’t say starter of the future. Perhaps he’s the backup of the future, which is totally fine with me.

  84. BoJim Says:

    Kramden Said:

    “This “Cannon” theme reminds me of how the Libs questioned the “Gravitas” of GW Bush to steer voters away from him years ago.”

    You must be a neocon. PLEASE don’t talk political crap on this blog. Some of the other boards I frequent are rife with political hate speech and it’s nice to come here and getaway. I know your post was just an example (you’ll say) But please keep that sheet to yourself. This is football.

 
 

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