Alterraun Verner Is “Ideal Fit”

May 24th, 2014
Bucs CB Alterraun Verner is a fine player for a Cover-2 scheme. That is, when Bucs coach Lovie Smith employs a Cover-2 scheme.

Bucs CB Alterraun Verner is a fine player for a Cover-2 scheme. That is, when Bucs coach Lovie Smith employs a Cover-2 scheme.

Some Bucs fans want to throw rocks at Joe for being upset the Bucs willingly waved goodbye to All-World cornerback Darrelle Revis. Until or unless the Bucs make the playoffs, this transaction will continue to gnaw at Joe.

Phil Savage believes people who miss Revis should mellow out. The former Cleveland Browns general manager and current host on SiriusXM NFL Radio is a big believer in new Bucs cornerback Alterraun Verner.

What Savage says about Verner and Cover-2 makes sense, until you realize Bucs coach Lovie Smith doesn’t run a Cover-2 as much as people want to think. How many times do ex-Bears players who played for Lovie, and writers and broadcasters who covered the Bears daily, have to say this for people to wake up?

Shoot, current Bucs corner D.J. Moore, who played for Lovie in Chicago, explained Lovie’s defense not that long ago on the very channel Savage works on.

Joe is sure Verner is a fine player and will do well for Tampa Bay. But the anti-Revis crowd will point to cash that was saved when Revis’ contract was spent on other players. OK, fine, but two points: 1) The Bucs were not in cap hell with Revis and they still have plenty of room. 2) One of those players bought was Verner himself to fill a hole created by very same hole dug by showing Revis the door.

65 Responses to “Alterraun Verner Is “Ideal Fit””

  1. Bucfan#37 Says:

    Glad to see Revis gone. Over hyped, over rated and over paid.

  2. William Says:

    What’s your point with your 2nd point Joe??? So.

    We replaced a pro-bowler with another pro-bowler and have extra money to get more talent. Is this supposed to be negative???

  3. GlenninGrad Says:

    The thing that irks me is that we have done nothing with the money we saved. Hi new contract is 12 mil and we hav e 13 mil left now. Imagine both revis and Verner (unlikely but damn that would be impressive) either way we still should have signed one more splash player

  4. BoJim Says:

    I didn’t like Revis getting cut either. However, I am happy with the changes we have made. I think Verner will be a good one for years.

  5. FLBoyInDallas Says:

    Glad we didn’t draft Johnny “It’s A Small World” Manziel.

  6. BucsQcCity Says:

    AV is healthier, younger, cheaper, probowler and a team player. Revis has only 1 out of five and please don’t tell me he’s a team player when he refused any contract restructuring.

    Glad he’s gone. No more drama on that side. Now if he can just give hell to the Jets twice a year I’ll be happy.

  7. PRBucFan Says:

    “We replaced a pro-bowler with another pro-bowler and have extra money to get more talent. Is this supposed to be negative???”

    Exactly

  8. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    3 for the Price of One!

  9. Orca Says:

    Unacceptable, Orca. You’re often so bitter. Joe might suggest Buccaneers.com. –Joe

  10. Mike Glennon Mob Says:

    With Revis we were 4-12. Without him we were 7-9.

  11. eric Says:

    i understood the buds put the ball in Revis court 13 million/year he refused it and if you look at what the other top corners are getting that was a fair contract have no problem with getting Verner however I was a member of the Revis Mob!

  12. Couch Fan Says:

    I fail to see how not having Revis has anything to do with the playoffs considering we never went to the playoffs when we had him.

  13. pablo Says:

    Pablo is starting to annoy Joe, therefore Pablo is on thin ice. –Joe

  14. Vic Says:

    We still have enough cap space to afford Revis if we turned his deal into bonus money and didn’t sign Mike Jenkins.

    Dumb move. It didn’t make us better. Hall of Famers don’t get cut in their prime too often.

  15. Atlbuc40 Says:

    Please, Did everyone forget Revis didn’t want to play here. It was reported that he wouldn’t budge from his 16 million a year contract with us. Old news just to stir the pot. I have zero respect for a player that doesn’t want to play for our team.

    Why would/should Revis want to cut his pay coming off a good season? Of course he wanted to play here. Bucs didn’t want to pay him. Revis would have been very happy to return. –Joe

  16. Keith Says:

    @ATLBuc40 — Revis did everything asked of him. He was a model citizen and mentor and was deserving of the Pro Bowl. The Bucs new regime came in and gave him the finger and tried to cut his pay.

    Dumb. And the a-holes at One Buc that marketed hi so much and got me to buy his jersey can kiss my butt

  17. Atlbuc40 Says:

    I hated it when we didn’t keep him! But the fact is we were 4-12 with him. I watched every game, sometimes twice. Even tossed my buccaneers Direct tv remote at the tv.. (stupid) . But look it up . Video on Buccaneers.com of Jason Light talking about how hard he tried to restructer his contract.. he did not want to play for us. You could see it in the last game.. dude gave up!

  18. Orca Says:

    Pablo annoys everyone, including Joe apparently.

  19. Orca Says:

    Revis was overpaid and overhyped. Didn’t give us enough difference to be worth 9 million more than Verner, and Verner is younger. Swapping Verner for Revis was a huge win.

  20. joe$sucsfan Says:

    Happy to return at 16mill. Do you know what the Bucs actual offer was.

  21. Atlbuc40 Says:

    @ Keith I feel your pain. I bought one also, I choose to believe the words of our new GM.. Revis brought respect back to the Bucs. I like the respect Lovie is bringing a whole lot more!

  22. Jim Walker Says:

    Can we have an ideal fit at right guard please.

  23. Architek Says:

    Joe I know you know my stance on this and business sense says feel out the holes on the roster instead of top heavy salary and no depth.

    The thing is Revis struggled in off technique and zone – Verner isn’t as good in press but not bad. Also he excels in off technique and zone.

  24. William Says:

    William thinks PabloBucsFan.com coming soon… lol

  25. Dougy balls Says:

    Pablo says Pablo annoys every true bucs fan . FIRE THE CANNONS

  26. William Says:

    That was weird. No more third person for me. I’m keeping myself together…

  27. Snook Says:

    Revis plays football for the money. Nothing more. Guys like Verner play because they love the game. And they get paid to play it.

  28. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    I don’t blame the Bucs for cutting Revis loose…and I also don’t blame Revis for leaving….(who knows what he was offered)…
    Its what you do with the replacement & the money that matters….the draft pick has already been spent. And..ATV didn’t cost us a pick….

  29. Snook Says:

    As long as Verner won’t quit in games, he’s already better than Revis in my book.

    Only a piece of sh*t quits on a team that’s paying him $1M per game.

  30. JBuc Says:

    Joe,

    Just curious, did you think Revis was worth $16 m last year?

  31. Joe Says:

    Just curious, did you think Revis was worth $16 m last year?

    Yes, he did what he was (handsomely) paid for. Can’t say that about a bunch of guys on the Bucs last year.

  32. JBuc Says:

    Hey Jim Walker,

    Can you name 5 Right Guards in the NFL without consulting Google? You are just looking to bitch. There is time to find a guard. Every team has holes. We are fortunate that our hole is at guard.

  33. Joe Says:

    We still have enough cap space to afford Revis if we turned his deal into bonus money and didn’t sign Mike Jenkins.

    Thank you.

  34. sam Says:

    it was a bad trade from the start. you cant have one great corner and 4 other shotty corners and absolutely no pass rush. All other teams did was throw at johntahn banks and leonard Johnson. that’s easy pickins all day long. just ask drew brees. We needed too build from the front then to the back.

  35. sam Says:

    You cant have that kind of money tied up in one player when you are a 4-12 team joe. You just cant. we had/have too many holes. not enough depth on this roster too accommodate that type of money tied up in a cornerback.

  36. JBuc Says:

    Joe,

    You can’t be serious. He was drastically overpaid. If he played up to his $16 M price tag then why didn’t anyone else pony up the same amount this year. We were 4-12. Only a QB or dominant skill position player is worth that kind of money. You lose credibility when you make these claims.

  37. Buc the Haters Says:

    OK, I’m going to start posting a TOP 5 DUMBEST POSTERS OF THE DAY list, starting today…..

    #1 Pablo (the infamous)
    #2 FlMike
    #3 Hmm.. Pablo
    #4 Pablo
    #5 Pablo

  38. Couch Fan Says:

    The Bucs new regime came in and gave him the finger and tried to cut his pay.
    ——————————————

    Yes because he wasn’t worth what we were paying him. hints why he only got 12 mil with the Pats. I know next year it bumps up to something like 20 Million… but Revis will never see that.

  39. McAlpinMike Says:

    Once again. continue to, over and over. repeatedly. beat a dead horse.(redundancy intended) Let it go! He made the pro bowl on reputation!

  40. Roscoe the Pirate Says:

    Roscoe misses Revis, but is happy that we can still trade for him…

  41. kevin Says:

    Will be nice if verner becomes one of the greats. Will make jason a genius.

  42. Joe Says:

    JBuc:

    Totally serious. Even the stat nerds agree Revis was no less than second-best in the NFL. He earned his keep. *Especially* for a guy who was hobbled for the first few games of the year.

    Only a QB or dominant skill position player is worth that kind of money. You lose credibility when you make these claims.

    Wait a minute! Most Bucs fans screamed for most of the offseason the Bucs don’t need a quarterback to win. Joe’s confused. :(

  43. Joe Says:

    Will be nice if verner becomes one of the greats. Will make jason a genius.

    And make Verner’s agent look like an imbecile! :)

  44. kevin Says:

    I agree with Orca that revis is was not worth 9 miilion more a year than verner. More guys can still be signed. I was mad when revis was cut but when they got verner it made perfect sense. Once verner has a couple pick 6s the revis talk will be long gone.

  45. JBuc Says:

    Joe,

    Notice that you didn’t answer my question. If he was was worth $16 M last year even in a hobbled leg for 3 games, why was no team willing to pay him the same this year?

    Second, didn’t realize I was arguing in behalf of most fans. I think you do need strong QB play to win in the playoffs and ultimately a Super Bowl. Unfortunately, those are in very limited supply. Thus, the reason they deserve the most money. As good as Revis is, he is not worth $16 M on any team which is why he could not command that amount on the open market. Only a disparate dope like the “rock star” would mortgage the teams future with multiple high draft picks and $16 M for a player that may never touch the ball in a game.

    Overpaid based on the market? Yes. But the lack of guaranteed money made the situation different. As of now, the Bucs are loads of money under the cap. They could have afforded Revis for 2014. Joe can only deal in what is now. How Revis got here is irrelevant to putting the best team on the field this year.–Joe

  46. Netwalker Says:

    I’ve read a lot from people who claim that the Bucs lost a first and fourth round draft choice in the trade for Revis and that by letting him go got nothing. Not so. The money freed up from Revis brought Verner and Johnson. So those two picks traded have now turned into two valuable players – players that have a proven high skill level. Turned out pretty good it would seem.

  47. Jon Says:

    Revis got 16 a year because he had nothing guaranteed. That simple. I’m sure if Schiano would have done a normal deal like Sherman or Haden etc. He probably would have gotten more in the 13-14 range with 40+ guar. it’s simple…to me at least

  48. Buc the Haters Says:

    Verner kinda seems like a faster & more athletic version of Rhonde…. Maybe HOF for him too in the Tampa 2.2? (Rah’s was the 2.1 version)

  49. RastaMon Says:

    Joe this ain’t radio….where words poof into nothingness…where controversy and unfounded speculation titillates …your words are written and accounted for…

    Sir, you don’t get to make up stuff about Joe. Not fair. Not good form. –Joe

  50. Orca Says:

    Worst trade in Bucs history. Good player, not worth the money on a team with holes at every other position. The results speak for themselves.

  51. Dougy balls Says:

    OK, I’m going to start posting a TOP 5 DUMBEST POSTERS OF THE DAY list, starting today…..
    Too funny now let’s go 6-10 6 Pablo 7 Pablo 8 Pablo 9 Pablo 10 who else PABLO

  52. Mr. Patrick Says:

    Lost what little respect I had for Revis when he quit in the Saints game. Good Riddance

  53. William Says:

    Mr. Patrick – yes I remember that. I guess the final check was already in the bank…

  54. William Says:

    The only thing that makes sense about us having so much money left over is that players they were targeting went to other teams. I remember Lovie saying to Licht if agents play hard ball in negotiations move on to the next player in our list.

    We don’t need to be the Yankees of football and overpay players. I like the way Lovie and Licht are creating the Bucs new chapter.

    The past does not create the future but how many rings Revis had?
    If I remember correctly….0

  55. SteveBucsFan Says:

    @Joe & Vic

    You guys do realize by turning his money into a bonus, it is divided by the four years left on his contract (after this year) and becomes dead money. Therefore, we would lose 4 million off the cap automatically. If we kept revis for more than this year we would then be paying 20 million a year for him. If we cut him after this year then we would be paying 4 million a year for nothing… Not good business.

    It was better to cut our losses quickly after he refused a pay cut.

  56. Niko Says:

    Revis helped us win 4 games. We got three players for him. It would be one thing if we were Super Bowl material.

  57. MegaDaveUK Says:

    “2) One of those players bought was Verner himself to fill a hole created by very same hole dug by showing Revis the door.”

    Yeah, and we were able to not only sign a pro bowl corner for MORE THAN 1 YEAR – but also add other pieces of the puzzle.

    Get over the Revis thing, he’ll always be a Jet really anyway

  58. Brandon Says:

    Revis wasn’t great last year, he may never be great again. Numbers taken from NFL.com graphic https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BoSd_e2CYAMqgqp.jpg

    The numbers state that between Peterson, Sherman, Haden, and Revis… that Revis doesn’t even come close to belonging in that conversation of best CB.

    Peterson 87 targets 48.3% comp 6-3 TD-INT and 78.3 passer rating
    Sherman 59 targets 50.8% comp 2-8 TD-INT and 48.4 passer rating
    Haden 96 targets 45.8% comp 5-4 TD-INT and 62.2 passer rating
    REVIS 60 targets 58.3% comp 5-2 TD-INT and 98.6 passer rating

    Revis was NOT good last year, he was okay, even pretty good, but to pay $1 million a game for a guy that gives up a 98.6 opposing QB rating? INSANE….I said at the time openly and constantly that this was a terrible trade, the football “minds” made the deal anyway and there was nothing on-field to justify this pick-up. I say good bye and good riddance! It was a huge mistake made on a huge risk of a player making a huge salary. Stupid any way you look at it.

  59. Brandon Says:

    SteveBucsFan Says:
    May 24th, 2014 at 11:44 pm
    @Joe & Vic

    You guys do realize by turning his money into a bonus, it is divided by the four years left on his contract (after this year) and becomes dead money. Therefore, we would lose 4 million off the cap automatically. If we kept revis for more than this year we would then be paying 20 million a year for him. If we cut him after this year then we would be paying 4 million a year for nothing… Not good business.

    It was better to cut our losses quickly after he refused a pay cut.
    ——————-

    Actually, Revis’ contract was set-up to be like a series of one year $16 million contracts. That aspect of the contract and trade are about the only thing Dominik and Schiano didn’t totally screw us over on.

  60. Brandon Says:

    Look at the graphic at the bottom of this story… it says it all:

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000352959/article/patrick-peterson-richard-sherman-overhyped

  61. Brandon Says:

    Netwalker Says:
    May 24th, 2014 at 9:33 pm
    I’ve read a lot from people who claim that the Bucs lost a first and fourth round draft choice in the trade for Revis and that by letting him go got nothing. Not so. The money freed up from Revis brought Verner and Johnson. So those two picks traded have now turned into two valuable players – players that have a proven high skill level. Turned out pretty good it would seem.
    =================

    Not so, bro. If we HADN’T have traded for the overrated, still-injured, will never be the same, me-first Revis we would have still had that $16 million. Yeah, we would’ve had to pay our 1st and 4th round picks. I think the first rounder at that slot got 4 years at $10 million total, $2.5 a year… so basically, those two players would’ve counted for about $3 mill a year, or $13 million less than Revis. So without the insane Revis trade, we would’ve had a 1st, 4th, and $13 million in cap space. I effing hate Schiano!

  62. JBuc Says:

    Overpaid based on the market? Yes. But the lack of guaranteed money made the situation different. As of now, the Bucs are loads of money under the cap. They could have afforded Revis for 2014. Joe can only deal in what is now. How Revis got here is irrelevant to putting the best team on the field this year.–Joe

    Ok. So you admit that we overpaid (probably by at least 3 to 4 mil and 2 high draft picks) for a player that does not touch the ball with any regular occurrence and you would like to continue to line of thinking? New England and Denver can afford to make those choices because of who they have playing QB. Brady, Manning can make up for a lot of deficiencies in other areas. As we saw last year, we could have Deion playing CB and we would have still wound up 4-12. Thank god you, BIg pup, and Dominick are not running this team.

  63. SteveBucsFan Says:

    @Brandon

    If you read the comments from Joe and Vic you would see that they said to turn his pay this year into a signing bonus and it would not affect the cap. I was pointing out the ramifications of that decision. Has nothing to do with Schiano or Dominick. Also, I would not call overpaying a player by 4 million dollars and giving up 2 premium draft picks “totally not screwing us over.” We lost out on a 1st and 4th to rehab a guy and pay him 16 million. We totally got screwed.

  64. JBuc Says:

    Paying Revis 16 M is like having a &200 k house with a sh$tty kitchen and spending $80K on a closet reno so that you can compete in a neighborhood of million dollar homes. Makes no sense.

  65. Orca Says:

    ^ Well put.

 
 

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