Phil Simms: Mike Glennon Not A Starter
May 6th, 2014
Super Bowl-winning quarterback Phil Simms knows a thing or two about quarterbacks. He guided the New York Giants to their first Super Bowl title against the Broncos, having as close to a perfect game as any Super Bowl quarterback has had.
Simms, a regular contributor to SiriusXM NFL Radio and CBS Sports Network discussing quarterbacks, is great in his detail. Joe’s favorite Simms’ story was when he saw Packers QB Aaron Rodgers as a rookie in camp. Simms thought he was horrible and declared he would be a massive bust.
A year later, Simms said he was at Packers training camp and out of the corner of his eye, saw some quarterback lighting things up like he never saw before. He asked someone who that gunslinger was. It was Rodgers.
Anyway, appearing on “Movin’ the Chains” yesterday, co-hosted by Pat Kirwan and Jim Miller, heard exclusively on SiriusXM NFL Radio, Kirwan bluntly asked Simms if he would ever trade for Bucs backup quarterback Mike Glennon.
Pat Kirwan: Would you trade a third or fourth round pick for Mike Glennon?
Phil Simms: Yes I would. I would be interested in taking him for that. I don’t mean any disrespect to Mike Glennon. I think what he did last year – I watched him and we talked about this – he was exactly in the pros from the guy he was in college. It was an easy transition for him. You could see it in preseason last year, watching him play. He got more confident. His strength throwing the football – it started to show up a little better at the end of the year. He got his body and feet into the ground better. No disrespect to him but I wouldn’t trade for him thinking he is going to be my starting quarterback. I look at him as a part-time starter guy. And I feel really great if he is my backup because I know he can handle all the situations of the game. So, yes. I would give up a third or fourth rounder for him without even thinking.
Joe would be a little surprised if Glennon is on the Bucs roster come July. Bucs general manager Jason Licht has made it clear he wants additional picks and rumors throughout national NFL outlets claim Glennon is being shopped.
With this draft being so deep in wide receivers, if Glennon could be had for a third round pick, that’s another starting wide receiver the Bucs could nab.
If the Bucs draft Johnny Football, Glennon is as good as gone.
May 6th, 2014 at 1:08 pm
” No disrespect ” to Mr. Simms’ but he initially had it wrong on A Rogers too. I think they keep M Glennon & don’t take Johnny Football.
May 6th, 2014 at 1:10 pm
Poor Beeker gets no love .
May 6th, 2014 at 1:12 pm
The only announcer dumber than Phil Simms in Madden is Phil Simms in real life
May 6th, 2014 at 1:18 pm
If the offer is a third I see this trade happening early in the draft. If it’s a fourth I think the Bucs sit on it awhile to make sure they’re getting the best offer.
Although I think Glennon has potential, his loping stride and longer release just isn’t in line with what Tedford seems to like in a QB. A change in coaching staff can really upend a guy’s career overnight, which sucks for Glennon.
May 6th, 2014 at 1:26 pm
I wonder if Phil noticed how poorly the OL blocked. I know Jason & Lovie did. Glennon will thrive with a great OL. I know you can say that about any QB, but it’s especially true for Glennon. He’s the prototypical pocket passer. As such his game requires a good pocket. He can pick a defense apart if given time. Accurate, high football IQ and tall with great vision.
May 6th, 2014 at 1:27 pm
It’s not a glowing review but clearly Simms sees value there. I won’t dare say what the Bucs will or won’t do at this point but he’s at least solid back-up material. At least!
May 6th, 2014 at 1:29 pm
What exactly is a “part-time starter guy”? You’re either the starter or your not. But I suppose nobody is confusing Simms with a Mensa member.
May 6th, 2014 at 1:43 pm
I wonder what Chris Simms’ grade would have been. Part time starter? Back up?
May 6th, 2014 at 1:45 pm
Didn’t Simms pick the Broncos to win the Bowl? MG8 looked better against the Seattle D than Manning.
May 6th, 2014 at 1:51 pm
Good thing the Packers didn’t trade away Rogers for a 3rd or 4th rounder based on Phil’s assessment.
May 6th, 2014 at 1:52 pm
coming from the NJ/NY area I am exposed to an abundance of Simms commentary and analysis, most of which is wrong , overrated, and underwhelming
In other words ::::Yawn::::
May 6th, 2014 at 1:53 pm
To be somewhat fair to Simms, Rodgers was brutal during his first year or so in training camp. I don’t remember if it was during a preseason game or a joint practice, but I recall the Buffalo Bills just taking Rodgers apart in a game situation.
Of course, Rodgers was only in the league for a year at that point and after gaining experience, I’d say that he turned out to be more than okay.
As for Mike Glennon, he’s worth a 3rd or 4th round pick and while he likely will never be a star, he could be a decent starter or most likely a very good backup. Hopefully if the Bucs draft a QB within the first two rounds they can trade Glennon to recoup a draft pick.
May 6th, 2014 at 1:54 pm
These guys spit out anything they want to just to stay relevant. Seriously, when’s the last time any of these so called gurus got it right?
May 6th, 2014 at 1:56 pm
I am glad MG8 is on the Bucs, I think he has more to show with a year under his belt. That said there is a part of me that would like to see him traded, win the starting job, put up better numbers than whoever the Bucs think is their best starter, and go deep into the playoffs (short of beating the Bucs of course) just so I can bust chops of all the people saying this guy is nothing more than a career backup. Yet another franchise QB to leave and find more success on a better team?
May 6th, 2014 at 2:01 pm
For the record, I’m not in the Glennon mob. I think he did better than expected given the situation last year and think he deserves another go. That being said, if Glennon is standing in the way of us getting a tallent like Johnny Football then I will wish him well and help him pack.
May 6th, 2014 at 2:04 pm
Definition of Part-Time starter is: Josh McCown
A QB who plays in the league for 11 years and produces stats like these:
G Att Comp Pct Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD TD% Int Rate
58 1,337 794 59.4 23.1 8,827 6.6 152.2 50 3.7 45 77.5
Mike Glennon = Younger and Cheaper Josh McCown
Glennon career
13 247 416 59.4 2,608 6.27 19 9 83.9
If this were the Rays Lukee would be Glennon and Bell would be McCown. We all saw what a successful organization decided to do. Keep the younger cheap player with more growth potential.
May 6th, 2014 at 2:19 pm
Joe, your favorite anecdote from Mr. Simms is also the greatest damming evidence of our boy Tedford’s ability to develop NFL-caliber Qb with nfl-level mechanics….
May 6th, 2014 at 2:36 pm
FLBoyInDallas Says
“If the offer is a third I see this trade happening early in the draft”
NFLN is saying that the Bucs want a 2nd rounder at least. If Jason Licht manages that, I will start supporting him again.
It is possible to get it. If Dominick was able to get a 2nd for Gaines Adams, Licht should be able to get a 2nd for Glennon.
I suppose a third would be good as well…a high 3rd.
May 6th, 2014 at 2:38 pm
CreamsicleBananaHammock Says
“The only announcer dumber than Phil Simms in Madden is Phil Simms in real life…”
Boomer is worse.
May 6th, 2014 at 2:40 pm
BFFL Says
“I wonder if Phil noticed how poorly the OL blocked. I know Jason & Lovie did. Glennon will thrive with a great OL. I know you can say that about any QB, but it’s especially true for Glennon. He’s the prototypical pocket passer. As such his game requires a good pocket. He can pick a defense apart if given time. Accurate, high football IQ and tall with great vision.”
The best pocket passers know how to at least move around in the pocket. Mike Glennon is a statue.
May 6th, 2014 at 2:42 pm
ToesOnTheLine Says
“That said there is a part of me that would like to see him traded, win the starting job, put up better numbers than whoever the Bucs think is their best starter…”
…
So you are not actually a Bucs fan then, right?
May 6th, 2014 at 2:49 pm
Yes the “short of beating the Bucs” was the obvious clue that I am a Bucs fan first
May 6th, 2014 at 2:51 pm
I guess no would have been the proper reply since you imply I am not a Bucs fan, regardless neither one of us read each other’s comments correctly
May 6th, 2014 at 2:51 pm
Glennon has the 5th best QB rating of all rookie QBs to start in the past 20 years. Even better than Flacco, Luck, Palmer, Bradford, Tannehill and yes Payton Manning. Other rookie QBs like Eli Manning, Freeman, etc were not even on the list.
Glennon also finished 3rd on this list for TD to INT ratio.
But go ahead and keep ignoring all these facts. I guarantee you Jason and Lovie have not ignored this.
May 6th, 2014 at 2:55 pm
Just get frustrated that most analysts outside of Tampa see NFL franchise QB potential in Glennon yet there is a small group of fans here that refuse to even give the guy a chance even after a decent rookie year under the circumstances. Six Flags really did a number on the fanbase
May 6th, 2014 at 3:08 pm
…um, I dont need to say anything…this article has been picked apart already, LOL!!
May 6th, 2014 at 3:18 pm
ToesOnTheLine is either Schiano or a family member…
Go Rutgers!!!!
Connor Shaw is coming to Tampa
May 6th, 2014 at 3:23 pm
Joe Another biased articular aimed at trying to influence L&L to get ride of Glennon. After your efforts fail and Glennon is reinstated as the Bucs signal caller, if I was him I’d tell you to f@ck off when you try to ask him a question at a presser. No one besides your hound dog friend has shown him more disrespect. Oh that’s right, you like him. I’d hate to be your friend with your type of loyalty. The best thing about your Glennon hit pieces is that the draft will be here in 2 days and Glennon will have survived this round of attacks, unfortunately you will still try to kill his career as the season beckons.
May 6th, 2014 at 3:26 pm
NFL network is saying they’re shopping him for a 2nd. Look, if we get Bortles or Carr, or even Murray and we can get a 2nd rounder (this year), I would even be willing to go for it if he just doesnt fit what Tedford and Lovie want to do. But I think we’ll regret trading him when we see him leading another team in the playoffs. JMHO
May 6th, 2014 at 3:26 pm
What does McCown has over Glennon
1. Pocket Awareness
2. Athleticism
3. Experience
I rather have McCown for the next 2 yrs. than going with Glennon as a starter.
Connor Shaw is coming to Tampa
May 6th, 2014 at 3:31 pm
Oh yeah… who’s was that guy that compare Glennon to Steve Young????
Yeah…. Glennon the next Super Bowl MVP that’s right…. yeah….that’s right….
Connor Shaw is coming to Tampa
May 6th, 2014 at 3:34 pm
I hope Glennon stays with us. Maybe in a couple of years he can become our 1st QB in the Ring of Honor….yeah…. that’s right….. yeah
May 6th, 2014 at 3:47 pm
William If he has all of those wonderful traits that Glennon lacks and still has sub par numbers (with better surrounding) talent then that speaks loudly of McCowns inability to lead the Bucs any better than Glennon. By your own discription is more efficient and generate better numbers with less.
If we draft a QB get rid of McClown or keep him as a coach. Keep Glennon as your backup and the 1st rounder should start Day 1
I keep seeing orange bikes around town, is that cause Conner Shaw is coming?
May 6th, 2014 at 3:52 pm
I don’t think the bucs are thin at towel boy, so I don’t see any room for Shaw.
I hope the Bucs draft a QB early this year and start him for Day 1. Glennon is your back up and trade McCown. If you are thinking 3rd for Glennon than surely the Bucs can pull a 2nd for a QB with:
1. Pocket Awareness
2. Athleticism
3. Experience
Maybe McClown can coach
May 6th, 2014 at 3:55 pm
Who was that guy William?
May 6th, 2014 at 4:11 pm
Buccaneer Bonzai Said:
“The best pocket passers know how to at least move around in the pocket. Mike Glennon is a statue.”
The majority of the time HE DIDN’T HAVE A POCKET! HELLOOOOO!
May 6th, 2014 at 5:23 pm
He wasn’t nearly the statue he was made out to be, he even surprised a little bit with this movement. He definitely is undersold there but nobody would argue he has to get better to start anywhere else in the NFL.
I would not be shocked if Glennon moved on to have a successful career, or had one here. Successful is subjective but I don’t think he’s a turd.
He’s certainly not as bad as some sports writers make him out to be and then pretend they weren’t trying to say he was bad.
May 6th, 2014 at 6:24 pm
Did the all knowing Phil Simms ever proclaim that his loser son should not be a starter?
May 6th, 2014 at 7:30 pm
I like Glennon. Give this guy a couple years and some receivers and he will be a solid starter. The NFL is all about what’s the new fad. Right now it’s all about a scrambling QB with accuracy. Soon it will change back to a smart pocket passer and we will be glad we kept Glennon.
May 6th, 2014 at 8:21 pm
I wouldn’t call Chris Simms a loser. But he did lose a lot of games. He also lost a spleen playing his a$$ off.
May 7th, 2014 at 4:29 am
Even a stopped watch is right twice a day…