Not Doom For Johnthan Banks

March 21st, 2014

Johnathan Banks is hardly out of the picture.

Joe knows there are Bucs fans out there, for reasons beyond Joe’s realm of fantasy, that want to run Johnthan Banks out of town. That’s the only logical conclusion for the rejoicing by some over the news that cornerback Mike Jenkins is a Buccaneer.

Some will point to Jenkins’ Pro Bowl appearance. Joe will point to Vince Young (of all people!) lighting up Jenkins play after play and Dallas doing its best to wash their hands of him, not to mention Jenkins’ shameful pulling up on a would-be tackle and waving the red cape at Derrick Ward as the Giants running back walked in for a 17-yard touchdown run. Ole’ indeed.

Those wishing to kick dirt in Banks’ face may want to calm down, types Woody Cummings of The Tampa Tribune. What’s happening is the Bucs coaching staff is not gifting Banks a starting job.

@acolen69: Does this mean for J Banks. Banks was terrible last year.

@RCummingsTBO: No, just means he has to win a job.

The only people who label Banks as “terrible” are those who want to believe he was terrible. He was anything but.

Shoot, the guy was a rookie for goodness sakes! What, people expected him to be Darrell Green right away?

Banks got better as the season went on. Do people not remember how he stifled Calvin Johnson with Darrelle Revis on the sidelines injured in the second half against the Lions when the Bucs secured a rare win last year?

Look, Banks was drafted for a different scheme. Lovie would be crazy to hand Banks a starting job before one practice, not knowing if Banks can master his system by September.

And speaking of system, notice the Cowboys bought a high-priced free agent cornerback and drafted another in the first round in order to wave goodbye to Jenkins, as the Cowboys shifted to a Cover-2 scheme under Monte Kiffin?

It isn’t just Banks that has something to prove this summer.

123 Responses to “Not Doom For Johnthan Banks”

  1. Phillip Says:

    @Joe

    You opened the flood gates with the rookie thing and getting better as the season wore on… The MGM with pitchforks in hand are gonna unleash the same tiring one sided comments in 3…2…1…

    Except Glennon didn’t improve through the end of the season. We’d be in a different boat now if that were the case. Plus, playing opposite Revis, Banks was under tremendous pressure and stood up well. Glennon led the 32nd-ranked offense. –Joe

  2. Rob Says:

    Banks is going to be a solid corner for the Bucs, probably as soon as this year. Either way, the Bucs haven’t had much to roll out at nickel over the last few years, whichever one of them has that duty, it’s a big deal to have some depth at the position.

  3. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Banks did better in his rookie year than ANY of Ronde Barbers first 4 years. People that want him gone are total, complete idiots.

  4. Chrisfresh23 Says:

    I see banks as an ok cb.. To me he’s too slow I remember him getting torched a lot this past season… But then again it is his rookie year, so I hope he builds some speed this offseason and not make every receiver’s highlight film… Lol

  5. BucsQcCity Says:

    JB will be fine. The kid had MRSA, little to no help on a defense that had several holes. Plus stating that the Schiano defense had any structure, other than dancing on the dline, is ridiculous. Absolutely needs to improve tackling and shedding blocks but I like him.

  6. Red86 Says:

    Four words… A More Talented Depth. That’s the reason for Jenkins being here. I’m so so on Jenkins due to giving up on the tackle.

  7. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Jenkins is “okay” for depth. He has only had one acceptable year as a CB in the NFL. He was a depth signing that they hope can cover the slot. Nothing more.

  8. PRBucFan Says:

    Time out, weren’t you praising this signing?

    Confused

    It’s an excellent signing. Inexpensive, experienced depth. The guy played pretty well last year. Joe trusts Lovie and Frazier on this, but that doesn’t mean Jenkins is a great player. –Joe

  9. BoJim Says:

    Phillip

    Kind of like the tired sh*t the anti Glennon mob throws out?

  10. W Says:

    I don’t think this spells doom for Johnthan Banks–or that anyone was cheering for that–as much as it means Leonard Johnson will be seeing the field a lot less.

  11. thegregwitul Says:

    Banks wasn’t bad at all last season and he definitely wasn’t terrible. Some fans are just ridiculous, probably the same ones that declared Gerald McCoy to be a bust when he was hurt early in his career. No patience, no long term thinking, just silliness.

    I think Banks has a breakout year this season; personally, he’ll be fantastic in Lovie’s system. Schiano and Dom had huge flaws that resulted in their termination, but they drafted very well over the last two years.

  12. Kalind Says:

    Joe, are these people serious (real?)? Why can we not just be happy to have 3 good CBs? Why does bringing in a new guy ALWAYS mean there needs to be a concurrent cut? These people need to be examined. Banks is definitely good enough to stay, to heck with the scheme. He’s good enough to at least be the third CB. Jeeze people. Just be happy we are stockpiling talent!

  13. PRBucFan Says:

    Banks will be the number two unless Jenkins proves to be the better cover 2 corner
    but Banks can still prove to be an site CB.

    He stuck on CJ and did great for the most part after Revis got hurt that game.

    Banks got great potential.

  14. PRBucFan Says:

    elite* not site lol. Damn autocorrect

  15. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Gee….does the signing of Rainey spell doom for Mike James….or better yet, Doug Martin? The signing of Jenkins was necessary to take the pressure of using a high draft pick on a CB. It had very little to do with Banks….Banks did well as a rookie with everyone throwing his way because of Revis.

  16. buc89 Says:

    Ah yes that miracle win against the lions. If only we lost that game we would have a better draft spot

  17. Espo Says:

    I think he’ll thrive in a cover 2 scheme. He’s a bigger corner and can picture him bullying receivers at the line.

  18. Buc1987 Says:

    It was Ronde who for the first 3 years….

  19. Stevek (MGM) Says:

    Phillip,

    You’re wrong about your views on the Bucs.

    Is your last name Dominick.

    It shows your bird brain ability to apply the same logic to rookies. One would think that a 2nd round rookie should have more pressure to succeed than a 3rd.

    Please go to the Glennon thread and read my reply , as I roasted your negligent ass.

  20. PRBucFan Says:

    Yea I hear ya but don’t praise the signing than do your best to knock the guy the next day lol.

    Just saying.

  21. Stevek (MGM) Says:

    Joe,

    How about the body of work?

    Why do you ONLY choose to look at the end of the season?

    Why do you credit MG8 with the “32nd ranked offense” when if you just averaged the 13 games Glennon appeared in our offense would be better than 32nd?

    Just curious why you can’t apply the same logic to rookies? Thanks.

  22. Rrsrq Says:

    Banks tackle total last year for the hapless Raiders, 60+, doesn’t sound like he shied away from contact too much last year! not to mention this is the town he made his name. Simple depth, because there will be many sets with three CB’s on the field.

  23. PRBucFan Says:

    Jenkins*

  24. Phillip Says:

    @Joe

    Wait wait wait the MGM will say but what about the SEATTLE game he had them up 21 or 24 points against the SUPER BOWL champs does that not count for anything!??! LOL

    Blaine Gabbert has had a decent game or two before lol

    @Stevek

    Just STFU you seriously sound ignorant saying that(roasted you lol GTFO kid)… I wrote you back just waiting for it to appear… You’re hopeless btw

  25. RastaMon Says:

    If you know anything about the man,Jonathan Banks, he was first Lovie “man” already on the roster….

  26. TJ Ware Says:

    Banks will greatly improve in year 2.. I just got done reading a tweet by @itsabucslyfe of a possible trade for Desean Jackson swapping picks..mike will included and the eagles 4th rounder.

  27. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    @SteveK,

    First of all, it’s all about progression. You want to see a young player get better as the year goes on, because you expect some screw ups early on. However, you also would hope and expect those mistakes to get cleaned up and happen less frequently. So yes, the end of the year is typically more important than the beginning of the season. Every single coach and GM will tell you the exact same thing. Obviously our coach and GM feel that way too.

    Also, it’s quite common for a young, or backup, QB to come in and do well initially. There’s no film on them (the defenses haven’t figured them out yet) and the offense is usually much more conservative.

    Although I can’t say with statistics to back me up, I can’t imagine us being much better than 32nd if you do count only the 13 games Glennon started. At this moment, I’m too lazy to actually look it up. Our offense was pretty consistently abysmal.

  28. ElioT Says:

    Hmmm… And to think, some people want to run Mike Glennon out of town after only his rookie year, with little to no help.

    #clearthroat

    I hope both Banks and Jenkins play well this year!

    Go Bucs!!

  29. Macabee Says:

    I hope Banks plays like the Jim Thorpe CB that he is. For a CB he is kind of laid back and doesn’t exhibit or display that fighter pilot kind of attitude that Top Corners are so often known for. I’m not saying he has to be all in your face, but I’d like to see a little emotion and daring do on the field. Good guy tho and wishing him the best this year!

  30. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    @ElioT,

    Have yet to see one person want Glennon out of town. Not a one. But I for one don’t think he did ANYTHING to deserve being handed a starting job. I think he could be a very good backup that could come in and win some games, but not as the franchise guy.

  31. Stevek (MGM) Says:

    Hawaiian,

    Where were Doug Martin and Mike Williams down the stretch?

    How can Glennon be expected to progress with the All-Rutgers Team on O:
    Zuttah, Leonard, Tiquan, Wright. Only two of those guys, tops, should be “starting”.

    Hard to pin it all on Glennon. Quick to forget: MRSA, Freeman-leak gate, And the injuries.

    Dominick is the most to blame, for having a less than competitive roster.

  32. tmaxcon Says:

    The same people (homers) who think Jenkins is better than Banks are the same idiots who think Tebow can play QB. Look, I pull for the local kids as much as the next guy but you have to realistic.

    Ask Dallas fans about Jenkins. He is lazy, quits on plays and gets burnt more than a crack pipe at a trailer park on Friday night.

    I wish Jenkins well but he is not a threat to banks. I would not be surprised if Jenkins did not even make the team. Jenkins main concern better be getting and staying healthy. Always something wrong with that dude.

  33. lightningbuc Says:

    Shoot, the guy was a rookie for goodness sakes! What, people expected him to be Darrell Green right away?

    _________________

    Shoot, the guy was a rookie for goodness sakes! What, people expected Glennon to be Tom Brady right away?

  34. lightningbuc Says:

    Shoot, the guy was a rookie for goodness sakes! What, people expected him to be Darrell Green right away?

    _______________________

    Shoot, the guy was a rookie for goodness sakes! What, people expected him to be Tom Brady right away?

  35. Tut Says:

    Kinda like Joe wants to run Glennon out of town???

  36. tmaxcon Says:

    tut

    glennon has a place on the Bucs and I actually agree with the Joe(s) on this one. HOLDING A CLIPBOARD!

  37. tmaxcon Says:

    everyone blaming Dominick for all the bad picks WERE also giving credit to Schiano for the good picks which is it did Dominick pick the players or did Schiano. I am confused.

  38. Theodore Says:

    Why can the Texans get a pick for Shaub but the Bucs can’t get anything for their dropped players?

  39. Tut Says:

    tmaxcon

    So a rookie QB performing the best of his class should be holding a clipboard… but the rookie CB that was “not that bad” should not worry about holding a clipboard?

  40. The_Buc_Realist Says:

    clearly this is just the ” Joe double standard” applied here. move on, nothing o see here!

  41. SAMCRO Says:

    Joe says,

    “Shoot, the guy was a rookie for goodness sakes! What, people expected him to be Darrell Green right away?”
    _______________________________________

    double standard

    It’s ironic how you can make this statement and then say it does not apply to Glennon. I think you subconsciously dislike Glennon because JF5 was released. You automatically raised the bar on Glennon, then expected him to carry a terrible sh|tty offense on his shoulders through a myriad of bullcrap all season. Now because he didn’t somehow reach your lofty expectations and win every game singlehandedly, you want to throw him in the nearest ditch (to coin a Joe phrase) . You never wanted him to succeed.

  42. covertwo22 Says:

    We hope to now have three solid, starter capable corners. If you want to have a solid defense you have to have three starting corners. Every team runs three WR sets and the good teams have three solid WRs. Isn’t that what everyone on this site is asking the Bucs to do? Solidify three starter capable WRs?
    It amazes me how people aren’t seeing this signing for what it is. I guess if we do sign a solid WR in FA or in the draft, everyone will think it must be a sign for the end of Mike Williams.

  43. tmaxcon Says:

    it’s all relative Glennon’s class sucked ! Your logic would be accurate if he was in the same class as Luck, RGIII and Russell Wilson. Glennon had no competition and he was miserable down the stretch when teams had film of him.

  44. Tut Says:

    When Glennon did bad it was 11 vs 1, and because he was not Manning/Brady as a rookie he sux. When Banks did bad it was 1 on 1 but that’s excusable?

  45. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    @SteveK,

    Nobody is pinning it all on Glennon. He’s far from the only one to blame. But guess what – a lot of those other guys are either gone or about to be gone, so Glennon isn’t getting an unfair shake. I saw the kid in preseason, and he was absolutely horrendous against 3rd stringers. If he were the next Russell Wilson, he would have eaten those guys for lunch (as Wilson did in his first preseason). He on MANY occasions missed guys that were wide arse open throughout the season. That cannot be argued. There is not one game where I looked at him and said to myself “That kid is special”. Not one. He looked okay with a good running game and against miserable defenses, but even at that he couldn’t muster one 300 yard game (which in today’s NFL is no big deal). Point is, he may not be to blame for our struggles, but he certainly gave us little to no hope of improving our struggles.

  46. Tut Says:

    When Glennon was bad it was all his fault that as a rookie he was not Brady or Manning… When Banks did bad it was 1 on 1 but that is excusable because he was a rookie?

  47. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    @Tut,

    That logic is beyond ridiculous. First of all, there are a helluva lot more CB positions than QB’s. Second, as was already said, last year’s draft class was historically bad. One guy taken in the first, and that was a huge stretch. Finally, QB is the most important position in professional sports. As a result, they make the most money, get the most credit, as well as the most blame. They know that – we all know that. You can hide a “not bad” CB, but you can’t do the same for QB. CB’s don’t put teams on their backs. So as much as you want to compare the two, you can’t. You just sound ridiculous even trying.

  48. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    I’m just wondering to all the Glennon mob: if he’s so great and has sooooo much potential, when should we be receiving that first rounder for trading him? I mean surely there are GM’s that are in the same league as you at evaluating talent and will be foaming at the mouth to have him on their team. Could we realistically even get a third? Fact is, these GM’s and coaches see the exact same thing those of us who didn’t rush the shelves for a #8 jersey after the Dolphins game see. I’m sorry to give you a huge dose of reality, but this is just getting silly.

  49. Oregon Buc Says:

    Eleven CB’s on the roster!! Only Verner is safe. Melvin and Carr could have a good camp and push themselves in the top 3.

  50. tmaxcon Says:

    oregon – i disagree unless he is traded banks is safe. 2nd round picks with cheap contracts don’t get dumped after 1 year. just does not happen unless he pulls a Rae Carruth!

  51. lightningbuc Says:

    Tut,

    I agree with you. Banks gets a pass for being mediocre (he was nothing special) because he was a rookie, but Glennon is run out of town.

    Don’t mind those calling your logic ridiculous, even though they are the smartest posters on JBF (just ask ‘em!). I mean, one of those ridiculing you said you can’t hide a “not bad” QB. I wonder if the 2000 Baltimore Ravens, led by the “not very good” Trent Dilfer, would agree.

  52. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    @lightningbuc,

    Exactly how long ago did the 2000 Baltimore Ravens win? Would you consider today’s NFL the same as it was 13 years ago? And for the record, he was very good in the playoffs. Revisionist history is always great to prove a point.

    And again, who is running Glennon out of town? Who? I’ve said it on numerous occasions he’d be a very good backup, as has Joe and about a million others. Haven’t seen one person that wants him gone. So just keep making stuff up. It’s really funny.

  53. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    And is anyone saying Banks should be a #1? Again, more twisting of words. I don’t care if he’s a #4, may the best player play. Assuming we keep 6 CB’s, there in no way is 6 CB’s on this roster better than him. Wanna argue that?

  54. PRBucFan Says:

    Same old tired debated

    blah, blah, blah, blah

    Season can’t come soon enough…

  55. d-money Says:

    Shoot, the guy was a rookie for goodness sakes! What, people expected him to be Payton Manning right away?

  56. PRBucFan Says:

    debates*

  57. d-money Says:

    Double standard anyone?

  58. Orca Says:

    Banks should be excellent in Lovie’s scheme.

  59. JFat Says:

    Seems a good chunk of bucs fans lack a sense of reason. Not every FA signing means someone is getting traded or released. The releases that happened made sense because the contracts far exceeded the player’s value to the team/system and replacements were available at better value.

    The anti-glennon mob is the worst of the bunch, the terrible coach/gm/oline/play-makers and rookie status is a fine argument unless it is applied to glennon. I hope there are video cameras set up in your houses to film your reactions when a QB is not drafted @7. It’ll be like the red wedding for you guys.

  60. SeanyMac in SC Says:

    Banks is going to be fine.

  61. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    @JFat,

    I’m not an anti-Glennon guy at all as a member of this team, but he did nothing to deserve to be the starter. That same logic applies to all but probably about 4 guys on the team (David, McCoy, Jackson, andMartin). Nobody else deserves to be handed a job. So does that make me a member of the anti-Zuttah club or the anti-Williams club? It just means they don’t deserve anything handed to them. They all played like crap at times, so they are all replaceable. But stop making as if anyone is singling out Glennon like we hate him or want him gone. We just want the best player possible at the most important position. And I won’t be crying if we pass on a QB, FYI.

  62. you go joe Says:

    I live in Texas and watching Jenkins play for the boys was fun to watch. Not because he was pro bowl player or anything like it, but because he would miss tackles, gamble on plays and fail miserabl. He was a first round pick that did not live to a 1st round potential. He’s alright not nothing else. Banks needs to worry about his own performance because Jenkins doing better still not enough to match Banks at well.

    Banks has a bright future and he can be a solid CB in this league especially in our division. The Megatron game is enough to show that the kid can be a good corner. Not a #1

  63. Stevek (MGM) Says:

    Jfaf,

    You effing know it, buddy.

    Phillip,

    Good news one of these guys is available at 7- Greg Robinson, Jake Mathews, Khalil Mack, Jadeveon Clowney, Sammy Watkins or Taylor Lewan.

  64. Stevek (MGM) Says:

    Phillip

    Of Aaron Donald.

  65. tmaxcon Says:

    steveK (MGM) – I believe Lewan will be available much later after his arrest and charges were posted. Maybe teams already new about it but I doubt he goes in the first round with pending charges I believe it’s 3 charges. Not sure if they are felonies.

    PRBucFan – I too am ready for the season. But debates during happy hour are fun / amusing. Where else can you get free quality entertainment that is not a felony.

    lightningbuc – please add up all the below average quarterbacks that have won a Superbowl and then average it out. I’d be highly surprised if that number is over 12 percent. Here is some help on how to calculate aveages.

    http://www.mathsisfun.com/mean.html

  66. rdbucfan Says:

    Hawaiian,

    What has McCown done in his career to be gifted the starting job over Glennon or a drafted rookie?

    Lovie has already proclaimed McCown to be the starter. It looks like we are going to have the same fake competition at QB we had the last 2 years under Schiano.

  67. tmaxcon Says:

    rdbucfan

    Lovie watched the last 6 games of the season easy call.

  68. Danati74 Says:

    Pretty soon this MGM will be rooting for a new team. Probably during the draft. As for JB, He’s still very young and has a family. Sounds like a Buccaneer man to me. Jenkins I like due to being from USF, but he has a couple of more years left in his tank at best. 2 year deal.

  69. Buc A Deer Says:

    Jenkins and Moore have a lot of experience. Love train loves experience!! They could easily be 2 and 3. Then if love train drafts a cb they like, Banks is really pushed back. Banks is rail thin and drafted by previous regime. Its obvious to me what love train thought of the roster they inherited. Banks and MG8 better be working out with Mr. Universe!!

  70. Buc1987 Says:

    If the Bucs are 6-0 and Jack Meoff is the QB I could care less. Are they 6-0?

  71. rdbucfan Says:

    tmaxcon,

    So the guy has 6 good games in his entire career and he deserves a starting QB job in the NFL. Not to mention the talent Chicago had on offense. I would say that Marshall and company raised the play of McCown not the other way around.

  72. BigMacAttack Says:

    It’s hard to crucify the secondary when the pass rush was 75% nonexistent. Get to the QB, force errant passes and dbacks become stars. Lovie knows this.

  73. tmaxcon Says:

    Rdbucfan I was referencing the horrible play by Glennon the Last 6 games not the average play of McCown. McCown is short term.

  74. tmaxcon Says:

    Rdbucfan the more tape opponents watched of Glennon the easier it was for them to defend and defeat the might big bird aka Glennon.

  75. tmaxcon Says:

    Buc1987 – I’m with you wins are all that matters. Btw, what round was Jack MeOff drafted. Is he related to Rosie Palm and her five sisters

  76. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    @rdbucfan,

    I agree that McCown shouldn’t be gifted a starting gig, and I think/hope he isn’t. This is the very reason I hope we do draft a QB, because I’m not a believer in either. To me, McCown is just a Glennon with more experience (thus hopefully less mistakes). I have no problem with him giving McCown the first crack at being the starter (which is what I THINK he is doing), but I personally would like to see better than McCown and Glennon. And by all means if Glennon lights it up in camp and the preseason, let the man start.

  77. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    I will say this, guess what McCown did 3 times in 8 games that Glennon couldn’t do once in 13??? He threw for over 3000 yards!! Glennon only threw for over 200 yards6 times – not even half his games! McCown also did it 6 times. And before someone says he had great receivers, don’t forget that he was considerably better than Jay Cutler when Cutler came back. Not saying either is great, but McCown has proven more than Glennon, albeit both haven’t proven squat.

  78. biff barker Says:

    Banks is going to be a very good corner in this system because he plays long and has the range. This coaching staff is going to get him ready. Consider the fact that Verner and Banks are both young and can anchor both corners for years to come.
    Jenkins is a really good depth signing who very well may prosper here. Hometown boy, college field, played a similar system with Leavitt too.
    How can anybody be upset with the way this secondary is coming together?

  79. rdbucfan Says:

    tmaxcon,

    The 6 games you reference the bucs played 5 teams with top 15 defenses, 3 were top 5, 1 was 10 and 1 was 15. All of these games were played with guys that were brought in off the street and wouldn’t have been on the team if the bucs had a competent GM.

  80. tmaxcon Says:

    Rdbucfan excuses excuses excuses. Franchise qb find a way to win not regress. Seattle was a fluke. Sea Pigeons clearly were looking past the mighty Glennon and his bucs

  81. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    @rdbucfan,

    Nobody is saying Glennon had lots of weapons and is THE reason we were #32 on offense. We all know we had some major injuries and he was put in a bad situation. Nobody in their right mind can argue that. However, do you REALLY believe Glennon is going to be a great QB? Do you really believe he can ever be an top 10 QB? Top 16? Aside from saying what he didn’t have, what DID he have that impressed you? Can you think of any incredible plays he made? Did he make any throws that made you think he was going to be great? He didn’t win, he didn’t put up numbers, he didn’t make people around him better, he didn’t bring any spark or fight to the team. I’m not criticizing him for it (because most can’t do those things), but just pointing out that these are the reasons why he’s not going to be starting for us next year (barring an excellent camp which would be great for us).

    The explanation that he didn’t play well because he played against great defenses is the very reason he’s not a franchise QB (in my opinion of course). A great player would step up his game and at least show flashes of brilliance against quality opponents. Peyton Manning had a poor rookie year, but he showed tons of signs of the greatness that was to come. Even when he struggled, everyone knew he had all the tools. Same for Elway, Eli, and virtually every other star NFL QB of past and present. I’ve asked what did Glennon do to impress on probably 15 occasions on this blog, and not once have I received a legitimate answer. All I get is either excuses or comparisons to other past rookie QB’s. Nobody can point to a play, a series, or a game. That’s the problem.

  82. Mike Glennon fans Says:

    What about Noel Devin for the bucs…. WV pro day ran a 4.25 40yd
    if Tedford likes speed he would be at least worth a look?
    Mike Glennon Fans- Facebook

  83. Joe Says:

    Don’t mind those calling your logic ridiculous, even though they are the smartest posters on JBF (just ask ‘em!). I mean, one of those ridiculing you said you can’t hide a “not bad” QB. I wonder if the 2000 Baltimore Ravens, led by the “not very good” Trent Dilfer, would agree.

    So the Bucs goal should be to strive to duplicate a freak accident rather than the norm? That’s like bettiing the house on a pair of deuces. It’s probably happened before, so why not?

  84. Joe Says:

    I believe Lewan will be available much later after his arrest and charges were posted. Maybe teams already new about it but I doubt he goes in the first round with pending charges I believe it’s 3 charges. Not sure if they are felonies.

    Probably right. Even Joe Twittered that last night.

    Still, wouldn’t shock Joe if the Bucs drafted him. Pat Kirwan seems to think so, for what that’s worth.

  85. rdbucfan Says:

    Hawaiian,

    All I’m saying is the kid deserves a fair competition between himself, McCown, Kafka and drafted rookie QB. Winner gets starting job. I think he has earned at least that.

  86. rdbucfan Says:

    Hawaiian,

    With your logic, didn’t play well against top tier defenses. Newton, Brees and Manning aren’t franchise QB’s. Actually, I have never considered Newton a franchise QB.

  87. biff barker Says:

    Glennon, or any other draft pick has a much better chance of success since the pressure is all on McCown. I’m actually luke, ahem, warm about Josh McCown now.
    As a side note, tmaxcon is a bit testy tonight. Hops therapy may help some.

  88. tmaxcon Says:

    Biff Baker – I’ve tried everything my shrink advised me to only visit JBF no more than 6 to 8 times a day. He also suggested that I no longer play in the sand box with the Glennon mob. I am working on my issues. Thanks for well wishes. Nothing winning won’t cure! Meathead for president

  89. tmaxcon Says:

    Just FYI, ObamaCare does not cover anger management caused by below average QB play

  90. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    @rdbucfan,

    So are you saying Drew Brees and Manning have never played well against a top defense? Really? That’s the best you got? It’s so laughable how people can try to spin things to fit their agenda? Again, what has Glennon done to impress? Why does no other team trying to trade for him? What are you seeing in him that no one else does? No matter how many times I ask, and even when I point out that I keep asking, still no one is able to answer the question. That tells me all I need to know. But the next response will once again be comparing him to other great QB’s (as you just did) or making excuses for him as to why he didn’t stand out. That’s your only play, because it is the only play.

    There’s no such thing as a “fair” competition. The team always comes out with a #1, and it is his job to lose. That’s just reality. But if glennon is the superstar you appear to think, then he’ll win the job. He will have every opportunity to do just that. Russell Wilson did it (since everyone likes making comparisons so much), so why can’t Glennon? Seattle just paid big money for Matt Flynn, but they couldn’t ignore how much better Wilson played. If Glennon can’t do the same, then that’s on him. Until he does something to prove he’s the man, he’s not the man – no matter how much you want to argue against reality.

  91. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    And no, he hasn’t earned jack crap. What has he earned???? Has he earned it because he was put in a bad situation? Has he earned it because he played for poor coaches? Has he earned it because he has a fully functional alarm clock? He has done absolutely nothing to earn anything, and neither has a bunch of other players on this team (so don’t cry that I’m singling him out). I know we’ve all come to accept mediocrity from the QB position in Tampa, but set your standards higher.

  92. Joe Says:

    Just FYI, ObamaCare does not cover anger management caused by below average QB play

    Does it cover alcoholism?

  93. tmaxcon Says:

    Joe – I sure Hope so. I guess I’ll have to test the preexisting conditions clause.

  94. PRBucFan Says:

    Y’all don’t seem to understand that Glennon will have every shot to take reps from McCown.

    Right now McCown is number 1 on the depth chart.

    That’s not set in stone.

    I don’t think Glennon would beat him out anywho.

  95. BamBamBuc Says:

    Cut Glennon!!!

    Had to say that so idiots can tell Hawaiian he’s wrong and somebody did say it. I happen to agree though. Glennon has shown nothing that says he deserves anything. Not to me, not to the current staff that doesn’t have a high school man-crush on him, not to GMs around the league. A few easily excitable fans and sports analysts seem to have delusions (although I figure the analysts probably never watched a game and went off a few select stats).

  96. rdbucfan Says:

    Hawaiian,

    Russell Wilson is not a good example. His GM and coach stated they built the team then drafted their QB. Even though they paid Flynn a butt load of money they let them compete for the starting job.

    The way you talk about Glennon there are a few HOF QB’S that had less than stellar rookie seasons that would have been holding a clipboard their entire career the way you talk about Glennon.

    I saw a rookie QB with poise, who would go through his progressions when he had time and made smart decisions with the ball. Yes he did hold on to the ball too long. Was that due to scheme or his supporting cast? I dont know. He had probably the most conservative coach in the entire league who was also a micro manager. He had nearly 0 running game most of the year in an offense geared for running the ball. Once the defense took away the running game, it was over for the offense due to lack of creativity. He looked pretty good running the 2 minute offense against one of the top defenses i the league.

    As far as how bad he looked in preseason, how was he supposed to look playing with guys that wouldn’t make any team. We had no depth whatsoever the last 2 years and that was on the One Hit Wonder GM we had. If this team was so great why did we lose/cut and sign so many players in free agency?

    Our depth was so bad we were signing players off the street for depth when injuries hit.

    We usually agree on most things, as Joe would say it’s in the archives. After 5 seasons of Josh it was refreshing to see our QB hit people in stride and on target not at their feet or 6 feet over their head. I would like to see the kid get a chance to compete. If they draft a QB and he lights it up that’s great also. After all I am a bucs fan it’s in my name.

  97. Phillip Says:

    @Stevek

    I’m so glad you aren’t the GM of the Bucs seriously… Lewan can be had in the 2nd or 3rd round now that he is facing 3 criminal charges and you want to draft him at 7?!?! This is coming from a true die hard Wolverine fan btw (Schofield in the 4th-5th and Gallon in the 5th!) … Then you want to draft Donald at 7 as well… We already have two 3 technique DT’s and you want to add a 3rd!?!? Wow ..

    Again you want to stunt the growth of Gholston by drafting another DE because like I said MJ isn’t coming off the field when he’s getting paid that much money…

    You literally want to draft any position as long as it’s not a QB where it’s more competition for your boy wonder Glennon.. Are you related to Schiano??? You are hopeless smh

    Btw keyboard warrior I responded to you on the other thread..

    Roasted my negligent @$$ LOL I can’t stop laughing at how dumb that sounds

  98. spr53"mgm" Says:

    @Joe & Hawaiian Your Logic is dragging your arse through your spit. (You like that Steve?) If you read the above article and substitute Glennon’s name in where Banks is you will see why all your denials about you are not against Glennon and don’t wish to run him out of town are fallacious at best.

    Joe appreciates the passion of the Mike Glennon Mob, but please don’t make stuff up. Joe stands behinds the body of archives found on this site. Joe believes Glennon did a strong job last year as a rookie third-round pick tossed into a challenging offense in less than ideal circumstances. Joe’s opinion on Glennon’s body of work tells Joe that Glennon is not the guy the Bucs should go to as their starting quarterback. It’s really that simple. Joe’s not going to back off his opinion that Glennon is sound backup material.–Joe

    It’s also very telling that when people begin using personal attacks and name calling it means that they know they are on the wrong side and their arguments do not hold water(so to say). I know you have drank beer with Josh Freeman and you mourned his demise. Joe has never drank beer with Freeman. –Joe

    which we all know was of his own doing but you blamed Schiano and danced for joy on his firing. You both say you like Gleenon but look at all the articles and posts that give the very opposite impression. That is if you read them without a jaundiced eye. the long and short of it can be summed up in the words of our native American friends,” Man speak with forked tongue”.

  99. Hawaiian Buc Says:

    @rdbucfan,

    I don’t think you’ve read my posts. Either that or you don’t understand it. I didn’t expect Glennon to be great. I expected stupid mistakes. I expected the game to be too fast for him. After all, he’s a rookie, and that’s what happens. However, if he is going to be the franchise guy, I expect some “flashes” of excellence. I want to see him do something that we’ve never had a QB do in Tampa. I want to see him have a game winning drive. I want to see him make something out of nothing. I want to see him complete a pass that he has no business even throwing. I want to see him win a game he has no business winning. I saw none of that, and neither did you, Lovie, or anyone else.

    You were impressed with his poise when he had time?? My goodness, he’s a fricking NFL QB, that’s what he should do. Hell, Josh Freeman was great when he had all day to throw! That’s just a very low standard way of thinking for a QB, which is obviously a result of crap QB play for years and years in Tampa. Don’t judge a QB by how he does in an ideal situation, judge them by how they do in a less than ideal situation. How do they do with a poor running game? How do they do with below average players around them? How do they do without great protection? Can they put a team on their backs with the game on the line? Glennon showed none of that, and that’s why he’s not starting the season as the #1. There is absolutely nothing to complain about, unless he tears it up in camp and preseason and McCown stinks it up. But you and I both know that’s highly unlikely.

    As for preseason and him being surrounded by guys who wouldn’t make the team, doesn’t the same apply for the other team as well? Do you think the Washington Redskins have great depth? Ha, they are probably the one team with less depth than us. I was at that game, and I watched him do his best Freeman impression, and it wasn’t pretty.

  100. lurker Says:

    ahhhhhhhh a Saturday morning on jbf

    I don’t have to go through kung fu withdrawals on Saturdays, just come here.

    everyone was glennon fightin’ hyuaah

  101. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Good Morning, Lurker!

  102. lurker Says:

    morning tbbf

  103. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    So what’s to discuss this AM?…….VCU’s disaster last night or…the state of the Bucs?……I think, so far, so good for Lovie….not perfect…but have to give his choices a chance…that’s what new coaches get.
    As far as the McCown move….I’m OK with that too….probably the quickest way to win some games now…and with Glennon or drafted QB…what will be….will be.

  104. lurker Says:

    crazy march madness this year.

    lovie just came in and made it his own team. he will have no excuses. I just hope he doesn’t put us in cap hell.

    my thoughts on glennon and a round 1 qb should be well-known by now…lol.
    shoot, lately, I just read some articles and pass on the comments. it is usually just the same old thing that breaks down to name-calling.

    I think everyone it antsy for the draft and to see what l.l. cool bucs do.

  105. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    My thoughts on the draft are also well known…..I don’t think we should trade up for any player and if our player isn’t there at 7….I think we should trade down for more picks (deal depending)
    I have no problem picking anothe QB if Tedford/Lovie like one…and I also don’t have a problem waiting until next year. Many QB needs will be filled this year & there are some good prospects coming out.
    My preferred players at 7 are Sammy Watkins & Mack…..(think they are fantastic football players) both are needs depending on how you look at it.

  106. lurker Says:

    I don’t think either will be there, unfortunately. if the qb’s fall, I wonder if they try to trade down. especially, if they like carr as their qb. of course, who would trade up at that point? minny could wait and get 1 if the qb’s fall.

  107. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    If the QBs fall there is only one team behind us really needing a QB & that is Minn @ 8….we could trade down and still get a QB or a Oline or perhaps Ebron depending on where we end up.
    I think the FA pickups have put us in a good position not to have to draft for need.
    I see our needs are (not in order)…..Oline, LB/DE (Mack), WR…..& of course QB…..but, they could be giving Glennon a year of development under McCown….I don’t think they necessarily are finished with Glennon…just want to win now & think the experience of McCown trumps developing Glennon.

    Gotta run an erand….be back in 45 min…..

  108. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    Also TE….need…

  109. Oil Derrick Brooks Says:

    Banks only ran a 4.59, that’s like a QB throwing under 50mph. There’s no way either can make it in the league, right?

  110. lurker Says:

    banks made plays…glennon didn’t. they both can make it in the league. just banks as a starter and glennon as a backup!

  111. Macabee Says:

    The Titans at #11 need a QB as bad as the Vikings at #8. Locker is as doubtful for Tenny as Ponder/Cassel is for Minny. Ryan Fitzpatrick is now with the Texans. The Titans will be looking for QB help if it’s there.

    The best of all trades would be if the Vikings moved up one just to keep the Titans from moving up and getting their man. Bucs win!

  112. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    I have been thinking about that Viking move up 1 slot with us….think it can happen….they won’t want anyone to jump them for their QB pick unless 2 QBs are there….our offer to trade with them will signal we aren’t interested in a QB @ 7. We could also trade with Tenn.

  113. lurker Says:

    that would work if the bucs wanted carr and picked up an extra pick in the trade.

  114. lurker Says:

    hell, Cleveland might wanna move up from 26, but I think that is too far down.

  115. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    I wouldn’t want to move that far down (Cleveland)….but the Vikes & Titans won’t know that for sure…..the best case is that we trade down…get a great player & extra picks and still get a QB.
    Like I said….Sammy @ 7……or Mack or trade….

  116. Macabee Says:

    lurker,

    That all depends on what the Bucs 1st round goals are. The trade at 26 would bring a bonanza of multiple picks. It is also Jace Amaro, Brandin Cooks, Kelvin Benjamin, and possibly CJ Moseley territory as CJ is starting to slip as Ryan Shazier is moving up. This is a can’t miss 1st round draft!

  117. lurker Says:

    “This is a can’t miss 1st round draft!”

    from your mouth, macabee, from your mouth. but I am sure not every team will have a hit on their hands.

  118. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    That’s why I think trading up for any player is a mistake….

  119. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Let me just say, before I read the second half of these comments…the number of comments here rivals a QB article.

  120. NY Buc Says:

    Rdbucfan the more tape opponents watched of Glennon the easier it was for them to defend and defeat the might big bird aka Glennon.
    —————————————————————————————-

    I think facing the Panthers D twice, the Seahawks (in Seattle no less), the 49′ers, Saints, and Rams pass rush may have played as bigger or bigger a part in Glennon’s performance moreso that just tape. Tough defenses for anyone, even the great Manziel would have a tough time overcoming that.

  121. NY Buc Says:

    as big or bigger…before he grammar police fine me

  122. Patrick Says:

    Bucs fans have lost their mind. He had a good rookie season. What gives? People are only in favor of Jenkins solely because he’s a “local boy.” He’s likely just a good backup/depth guy.

  123. owlykat Says:

    McCown passed for 1800 yards in just 5 games. Since he has very little wear on his body having been a backup for years, he likely has about four years left on his career and he is a brilliant pickup for the Bucs. Compare that to any 5 games of Glennon and he did not match that production. So Glennon does not deserve to be the starter because he did not earn it. Compare even minutes beween the stats of Johnson and Banks last year and it is clear that Banks got the start because he was the second round pick. He didn’t earn a start for this year! I don’t think either one should be let go and both can be suitable backups until they can improve to where they deserve any higher consideration. By the way nobody gave Seattle’s QB a start, he earned it on the field by his production as a rookie. Glennon and Banks have failed to do that despite being given the start most of last year. As to Banks great play against Megaton, The great play if you looked closely was not of Banks but of the Safety who knocked the ball out of Megatron’s arm right before he crossed the goal line and Banks just happened to grab it in the air.

 
 

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