Donald Penn Holds Key To Johnny

March 14th, 2014

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Yes, Joe knows full well the Bucs have a starting quarterback, no matter what gibberish the Josh McCown Deniers try to peddle. The cold hard fact is McCown turns 35 soon. Realistically, Joe sees McCown as a likely starter for two years, four years tops. Very, very, very few quarterbacks short of George Blanda win the NFL fight with Mother Nature.

Though Bucs general manager Jason Licht squirmed and bristled when anyone referred to or suggested McCown is a “bridge” to a new quarterback, Licht was frank when saying if there is a quarterback in the draft he thinks can help the Bucs or can be “the” guy, then Licht is going to draft him.

Which leads Joe to good guy Donald Penn, a former Buccaneer for not quite 24 hours. Penn is meeting with the Raiders in Penn’s beloved hometown California, a rudderless team that needs offensive linemen worse than Joe needs a cold beer on a steamy Friday afternoon.

So what does this have to do with the Bucs and a quarterback?

If the Raiders don’t sign Penn, clearly the best left tackle looking for work, then it is highly likely the Raiders draft a left tackle with the No. 5 pick. If the Raiders sign Penn, there need for a left tackle is filled and they are more likely to draft a quarterback. And yes, no quarterback seems to fit the Raiders like Johnny Football.

So if the Raiders  do not sign Penn, it stands to reason that’s one less team shopping for a quarterback before the Bucs with their No. 7 overall pick. Hence, this increases the chances of Licht blessing the Tampa Bay area with Johnny Football.

Joe really, really likes Penn and wishes him the best. Joe just hopes Penn finds another team to sign with other than Mark Davis’ wayward franchise.

113 Responses to “Donald Penn Holds Key To Johnny”

  1. Meh Says:

    More Manziel Madness.

  2. bucrightoff Says:

    Joe knows deep down the Johnny dream is dead. He’ll keep up hope but he knows Lovie isn’t creating a quarterback controversy now that he’s named Josh his starter, which is exactly what drafting a QB in the first round does. I know it hurts Joe, but you’ll be alright.

  3. Mike Says:

    You Joe can’t let it go. Told you he’s gonna grow boobs for Johnny

  4. BKNYfootballhead Says:

    Did you edit this, Joe?

  5. Joe Says:

    Joe knows deep down the Johnny dream is dead. He’ll keep up hope but he knows Lovie isn’t creating a quarterback controversy now that he’s named Josh his starter,

    Hhhmmm. This may be news to Jason Licht. Lovie has said he wants four quarterbacks for competition. Licht said he absolutely has no qualms picking a quarterback in May. Feel free to do the math.

  6. Mike Says:

    Joe you also said so yourself…… Smoke. I agree with Buc on this one. Let go Joe. You can watch him on another team and be just happy brotha!

  7. Drew Says:

    JF is not in the tea leaves. JF sucks.

  8. BKNYfootballhead Says:

    “So if the Raiders sign Penn, it stands to reason that’s one less team shopping for a quarterback before the Bucs with their No. 7 overall pick.”

    How does this make sense? I think the Johnny obsession is clouding your comprehension, Joe.

  9. Couch Fan Says:

    There will be no QB controversy. McCown has to be smart enough to know that he is to old to be the future of the Bucs. Drafting the future is a priority. If the 34 yr old career back up has an issue with that, bench him. That should be a familiar place for him.

  10. Drew Says:

    Joe were you wearing the JF ceremonial jock strap while writing this article?

  11. Joe Says:

    BKNY:

    Should have been a “do not” in there (see the previous graph).

  12. canadian bucsfan Says:

    Beat me to it joe I was gonna say the same thing that Lovie wants QB competition. Lovie also said he had big plans for Revis too.

  13. Baz Says:

    “So if the Raiders sign Penn, it stands to reason that’s one less team shopping for a quarterback before the Bucs with their No. 7 overall pick.”

    I think he means one MORE team shopping for a QB, but the point is a valid one. Hell they may still take a OT since Penn will be 32, but he’s right in that the NEED will be filled.

  14. BirdDoggers Says:

    McCown has never been a starter for a 2 or 3 year stretch. The new regime might not like the talk of him being the bride to another QB, but that’s likely part of a smokescreen. They can’t expect to roll with McCown long term. That’s like anointing Bowers as your starting DE.

  15. Buc1987 Says:

    Poor Joe.

  16. BKNYfootballhead Says:

    Just yanking your chain, Joe.

  17. Architek Says:

    Joe maybe you should apply to be the Raiders GM.

  18. Joe Says:

    Beat me to it joe I was gonna say the same thing that Lovie wants QB competition. Lovie also said he had big plans for Revis too.

    What Lovie said may be blowing smoke, but some things are not smoke:

    1) Josh McCown, largely unproven as a starter, is 34. No amount of spinning can change that.

    2) Mike Glennon has not yet won over Lovie, otherwise, he wouldn’t be a backup and Lovie wouldn’t have gone quarterback shopping. Unless you want to say the past three days was an elaborate and expensive ruse to make teams think Glennon is not the starting quarterback (i.e. Josh McCown Deniers).

    (FYI, the Bucs did have plans for Revis, had he renegotiated.)

  19. bucrightoff Says:

    Joe wrote a piece a few days go about how there’s a difference between posts about what he wants the Bucs to do and what he thinks the Bucs will actually do. He wants Johnny at a beyond stalkerish level. What he knows is the Bucs aren’t creating a controversy. Last first round QB not to start right away? Tebow. First round QBs are drafted to start. McCown is Lovie’s guy and that’s that.

    Now Joe won’t stop beating the drum, and if anything you will see MORE Manziel stories than before. But Joe knows its over. It hurts, but life goes on.

  20. BOb Says:

    So now joe believes what GMs and coaches say in march?????? Yo’ holding on a little too tight. Just release and free fall.

  21. Andrew 1 Says:

    Penn has nothing to do with it, your reaching here a little bit here Joe. For all we know, Manziel could be number 1 on the raiders board. Let it go Joe. Manziel is not coming to tampa. I’ll eat my shorts if I’m wrong.

  22. Joe Says:

    He wants Johnny at a beyond stalkerish level. What he knows is the Bucs aren’t creating a controversy.

    If Lovie didn’t want controversy, he easily could have named Glennon the starter.

  23. Jordan Says:

    McCown = no guaranteed money for 2015. Not only is McCown a bridge, he might very well be safeguard against the Bucs missing out on their “QB of the future” in the draft. There is still hope for Joe and his Johnny dream.

  24. K_bassuka Says:

    This team is not going to draft Manziel. They’re scared to make bold moves like that and are too predictable. Some other team would jump in front of them and grab the player they were about to draft. This GM couldn’t get anything for Revis, Penn, or Joseph while MIA gets a pick for Martin, NO gets some for Sproles, and even JAX got something for Gabbert of all people….

    Licht is getting played…

  25. Buc1987 Says:

    Okay I was falling asleep in my recliner while watching NFL network the other night. I could of sworn I saw some dude mock Johnny Football for the Bucs. Then again I fell asleep. So I can’t be sure who it was or even if they said, but I’m pretty sure I did hear the words Manziel drops to 7 where Tampa picks him up. I thought for dayum sure Joe would have on the site, so maybe I was hearing things. Either that or Joe has pounded my head with Manziel too dayum much.

  26. Couch Fan Says:

    I am smart enough to know that I dont know anything right now, neither do any of you. To assume that we absolutely under no circumstances will draft a QB in the 1st is silly.

  27. Couch Fan Says:

    wont draft a QB in the 1st*

  28. Joe Says:

    Just yanking your chain, Joe.

    No, man. Appreciate the heads up. The cardinal rule of writing is never, ever edit your own copy. Sadly, Joe has to do that all too often and simple (which looks really dumb when published) mistakes will fall through the cracks.

    Thanks. Sincerely.

  29. Bucnjim Says:

    How tall do they say he is? Those two girls are almost as big as he is!

  30. Buc1987 Says:

    K_bassuka…you don’t think the massive 16 million played a role in not getting anything for Revis and that no team would pay that? Because 95% of us do.

  31. Joe Says:

    Okay I was falling asleep in my recliner while watching NFL network the other night.

    Glad Joe is not the only one.

  32. Joe Says:

    This team is not going to draft Manziel. They’re scared to make bold moves like that and are too predictable.

    /Team Glazer looks at balance sheet after past three days and rubs eyes.

  33. Oil Derrick Brooks Says:

    ‘Cat-Tails for Two” starring Benny (Joe) and George (Johnny F.)

  34. Buc1987 Says:

    Bucnjim…he is a lil fellow.

  35. Mike Says:

    I know this is off topic right now, but would love for us to give Steve Smith a sniff! Did any of you see what he said about having to play Carolina? Dude is catch phrase on all levels

  36. Orca Says:

    Please Raiders, sign Penn, then draft Johnny D*ckballs… Push Watkins or Robinson or Mack down to us!

  37. Jordan Says:

    K_bassuka – the difference between Revis/Penn/Joseph is that they have huge contracts that were not worth their market value. Martin only makes $800,000, Gabbert 2 million, and Sproles 3.5 million. Just wait and see how much less Revis/Joseph/Penn make in the open market. My guess is that they take a combined cut of 11 million dollars, and none will sign a contract over 3 years in length.

  38. bucrightoff Says:

    I hope you’re properly stretched out for the next month and a half Joe. Sounds like you’re about to be reaching hard for every thread to keep the dream alive. My dream scenario is the Bucs passing on him. We might get 5,000 articles in a row about it.

  39. Mike J Says:

    Why Draft a QB in the first 2 rounds. If you take Manziel, Blake, Teddy or whoever in the early rounds , when Josh throws 3 picks in one of the early games of the season or has a slow start for the season the crowds will be cheering the rookie QB to come in. It will be 2013 all over again with Freeman and Glennon. TB fans love their back up QB.

    If you wanted to take a QB with the first round pick then you sign a veteran QB for smaller money and say he needs to compete for the job.

    The Bucs won’t pick a the 7th spot. They want value and with all the available QB’s they will trade down to pick up more picks. Especially since they have only 5 picks.

  40. Buc1987 Says:

    @Joe

    Question #1. what will Joe’s face look like if Manziel is still on the board at 7?

    Question #2. what will Joe’s face look like if they pass him up at 7?

    Be creative Joe.

  41. Joe Says:

    K_bassuka – the difference between Revis/Penn/Joseph is that they have huge contracts that were not worth their market value. Martin only makes $800,000, Gabbert 2 million, and Sproles 3.5 million. Just wait and see how much less Revis/Joseph/Penn make in the open market. My guess is that they take a combined cut of 11 million dollars, and none will sign a contract over 3 years in length.

    Revis is already making $12 million.

  42. Joe Says:

    Question #1. what will Joe’s face look like if Manziel is still on the board at 7?

    Not sure what the word would be, pensive?

    Question #2. what will Joe’s face look like if they pass him up at 7?

    Aghast.

  43. Joe Says:

    I hope you’re properly stretched out for the next month and a half Joe. Sounds like you’re about to be reaching hard for every thread to keep the dream alive. My dream scenario is the Bucs passing on him. We might get 5,000 articles in a row about it.

    LOL

  44. Oil Derrick Brooks Says:

    I actually do want Manziel available at #7, but, because I think Jerruh Jones is ripe for the taking. Licht could turn this into quite a hall. There will still be talent at #16.

  45. Jordan Says:

    Yep, Revis took a 4 million dollar cut. So I figure Penn and Joseph to take a 6-7 million dollar decrease in their 2014 salary. I was trying to explain that the reason Licht couldn’t extract draft picks from the these 3 players is that their contracts were a combined 10-11 million more than their open-market value.

  46. d-money Says:

    The Hypocrisy on this site is almost comical.

    You’re sure that Glennon is a bum after 12 games but a guy that has had 9 years to show what he’s got and has only 5 good games to show for it is now the savior.

  47. Andrew 1 Says:

    @ Couch Fan

    Sure, anything is possible. But there are more signs that point to us not drafting him than there are that do. off the top of my head…

    1. There is no bonafide franchise QB in this draft.
    2. Lovie has never drafted a QB in the first round.
    3. We just signed a veteran QB who could start.
    4. There are other positions in greater need than QB at this point.
    5. Lovie is a defensive minded head coach.

    I would also add that Johnny is a risky pick for a number of different reasons and that we need to hit on this first round pick . The likelihood of us drafting him is slim.

  48. snook Says:

    I’m with you Joe. Let’s go get Johnny.

  49. robert6 Says:

    the girl is as tall as JF.

    do we really want a mini me for a QB?

  50. Andrew 1 Says:

    6. He very well could be gone before we even draft.

  51. Couch Fan Says:

    If you wanted to take a QB with the first round pick then you sign a veteran QB for smaller money and say he needs to compete for the job.

    ————————-

    5mil is not starting QB money. They did slightly overpay but he was going to be in high demand so it happens. The LT Collins makes more than he does. Money will not determine who will be starting

  52. Buc1987 Says:

    yes robert but the girl can’t run as fast.

  53. Shawn Veen Says:

    Johnny Manziel would be one hell of a player to draft. The best option out there in my opinion.

  54. MadMax Says:

    lol at the JF madness…..reminds me of the other JF madness we just dealt with…smh

  55. Mord Says:

    2nd+ round QBs like Garoppolo, Brett Smith, et al are looking like a good fit for McCown and the length of his contract. If we buy the premise of this article, releasing Penn could work like cloud-seeding to help ensure that one of the more impactful defensive players (Clowney, Mack) are still available at 7?

  56. bigpoppabuc Says:

    Lovie also said Revis was a part of this defensive foundation. He also said he had big plans for him. I now take everything Lovie and Licht say as a total smokescreen.

  57. bucrightoff Says:

    If you’re wondering why Joe will keep posting Johnny stories for as long as he can, look at the comment total. Basically averaging a comment a minute since it was posted. Johnny is a divisive figure who generates a lot of talk on both sides.

  58. Buc1987 Says:

    Manziel for President!

  59. bornandRAYSed Says:

    Joe, let it go for God’s sake. Your obsession with Johnny has clouded your mind. Please tell me how does the signing of the second worst pass protecting LT in football mean Oakland picks a first round QB? And to further squash your JFB dreams, Licht tipped his hand a little on 98.7 yesterday by saying the franchise QB he sees in the draft isn’t the ones we are thinking about. He’s about value and a top pick on a likely bust QB is the furthest thing from it. So happy you get paid to write instead of make football decisions. We all know if it was up to you, #5 would be under center for the next 5 years.

  60. Jordan Says:

    Mike Glennon – 5 game stretch – 3 wins 2 losses 7 TD 2 INT 69% completion percentage. This 5 game stretch accounts for 38% of Glennon’s career starts.

    Josh McCown successful 5 game campaign equates to 13% of his career starts.

    If one is going to be able to replicate their 5 game successes, the odds are in strong favor of the rookie, playing on a bad team, rather than the old guy, playing on a decent team.

    I’d much rather take the guy who did this in his rookie year, than the guy who did it a decade after being drafted.

  61. Couch Fan Says:

    @andrew 1

    I disagree with all of these points.

    1. There is no bonafide franchise QB in this draft. (Tedford/Lovie/Light Might think otherwsie)
    2. Lovie has never drafted a QB in the first round. (So that means its a fact he wont take a QB in the 1st? Hardly.)
    3. We just signed a veteran QB who could start. (I dont even see the point of this? Glennon also could start or anyone else we sign.)
    4. There are other positions in greater need than QB at this point. (True but they clearly dont believe in Glennon and McCown can’t be the future, Your franchise QB trumps all other needs if you believe he is still on the board when your on the clock)
    5. Lovie is a defensive minded head coach. (So?)

    All of this is your opinion and your entitled to it but its not fact so I dont know why you think there is no possible way we go QB in the 1st.

  62. Jordan Says:

    I’m not denying that McCown has been annointed starter. But Lovie has a 9 year track record of very poor offensive performance. Did he learn from his mistakes in Chicago?

  63. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    Joe

    WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THE RAIDERS! NOTHING THEY DO IS LOGICAL!

  64. bucsQcCity Says:

    Forget it Joe. Unless he falls in round 2 then maybe but we will still pick a G in the 2nd IMO. At #7 there is too much talent to select a overhyped QB. I like all 3 of them but I think we need help on OL, WR, TE first. With all the personel we have on the DL it’s hard to imagine the Bucs selecting Donald but they could trade a few to make that happen. My bet is

    1st rnd :OT/DL/WR/TE
    2nd rnd: OG
    3rd rnd: WR
    5th rnd: QB
    7th rnd: CB

  65. Mike Says:

    Lol at Born! Spot on!

  66. eric Says:

    Joe you sound bitter bro they released your number one sound bite (penn) and now you stay on attack mode I think your infatuation with Johnny football shows your fantasy side he do not fit just like your boy Penn did not fit get off the people who like Glennon it is really getting tired bro (I’m not a Glennon fan however all the kid did was play when asked) why don’t you type something telling everyone what grading system you judge Penn on that would be great to read and I hate to state the obvious but Lovie and Jason completed disagreed with your grading system, Penn Average Average what!

  67. Bucsfanman Says:

    No way Houston passes on Johnny. Can you imagine their fan base if they passed on the “Texas boy”?!
    That being said, it is possible that the Bucs draft a QB. Think about it, there’s no pressure to start him. Therefore you could avoid the proverbial “thrown into the fire” syndrome. Here’s your clipboard,” now, go get your shine box!” Sorry, couldn’t resist. You get the picture though.

  68. Jordan Says:

    That 3rd round pick is so nice to have back. Our 3rd round pick is just 11 slots away from where we took Lavonte David.

  69. K_bassuka Says:

    @Jordan and Buc1987

    I understand the need to get rid of those players but that doesn’t excuse the GM getting zero return for them when Martin that played like garbage gets the Dolphins picks, Gabbert was arguably the worst QB in the NFL and Revis, like Joe replied, is making $12 million, heck we should have paid the 4 million difference and receive something for it. Sproles is a HB, arguably the easiest position to replace and find great players at….

    Besides this team is not about finding the best players but rather those that they think bring value to the team even if those players are career backups that played well for short periods of time…

  70. Andrew 1 Says:

    @ Couch

    Again, anything is possible, and my point was to show that there are more reasons to suggest that we wont draft Johnny than vice versa. like it or not, those were all facts that could be reason why we wont draft Manziel. Your welcome to give reasons that apply to the other side of the argument.

  71. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    ( Joepessimist.com )..smh-They was wrong for that.

  72. Couch Fan Says:

    @Andrew 1

    Not all of those were facts like There are No franchise QBs in this draft. Anyways there is no telling what we will do. But to me its just hard to imagine passing on a QB in the 1st if you have is a 34 year old career back up starting for you and Glennon (who they dont believe in).

  73. zam Says:

    My gut impression is that for LL Bucs there’s not a QB out there that doesn’t have a little tarnish on him, and they’re not going to risk burning a rare #7 on fool’s gold.

    McCown buys them a couple years to gamble in later rounds on that diamond in the rough QB. Perhaps you include Glennon from last year, certainly a Round 2/3 this year, and maybe even a QB pick next year if neither shows promise.

  74. bucrightoff Says:

    Bucsfanman Says:
    March 14th, 2014 at 12:04 pm
    No way Houston passes on Johnny. Can you imagine their fan base if they passed on the “Texas boy”?!
    That being said, it is possible that the Bucs draft a QB. Think about it, there’s no pressure to start him. Therefore you could avoid the proverbial “thrown into the fire” syndrome. Here’s your clipboard,” now, go get your shine box!” Sorry, couldn’t resist. You get the picture though.
    ______________________________________________________________

    They passed on Vince Young for Mario Williams, a quite brilliant decision even if they weren’t able to keep Mario long term.

  75. Joe Says:

    Joe you sound bitter bro they released your number one sound bite (penn)

    Wrong guy. Joe had four or five go-to guys, two still on the team. Not sure how this is perceived as “attack.” Just simple math. Joe doesn’t believe the Bucs are finished QB shopping and if the Raiders don’t sign Penn, with a crying need for a left tackle, then they are less inclinded to draft (fill in the name of any quarterback) at No. 5.

    Not sure how that can be convoluted into “attack.”

  76. Buc1987 Says:

    K_bassuka …pay the difference and get what? Is a 4th round pick worth 4 million dollars? A 3rd round pick worth it?

    What pick would a team have given to the Bucs for Revis and a 12 million dollar contract?

  77. phil Says:

    We should be moving up to the Texans or Rams spot to draft Johnny Football so it won’t matter what the Raiders, Browns, or Jaguars do. Anything less than that and he may be gone when we pick.

  78. Brian Says:

    Really confused by all the Manziel hope…what in the world makes people think that our staff would even want Manziel? If they wanted Manziel and wanted to run that kind of offense, why not bring in Vick instead of McCown? Lovie doesn’t seem like the type of guy who wants to try to corral an improvisational quarterback…Manziel’s early days in the NFL will undoubtedly see him turn the ball over alot…Tedford has never employed a mobile quarterback like Manziel in his offense, even though mobile quarterbacks grow on trees in college football…I just think there is very little likelihood that we’re targeting Manziel. Of the top 3 guys I would say they probably like Bridgewater, Bortles, and Manziel in that order. Bortles isn’t following to us despite what that lunatics at NFLN thinks…so that leaves a remote chance that Bridgewater or Manziel falls to us and even a more remote chance that we will actually take one…start targeting 2nd and 3rd round quarterbacks…that’s where the pick will be.

  79. BUCSLEGENDS Says:

    I haven’t read the comments here yet, but I listened to a interview with our GM and he said he sees a franchise QB in the draft. He just might not be the one everyone else is thinking of.

  80. bucrightoff Says:

    I am against drafting a QB in the first for many reasons (namely, no true franchise guys), but this franchise is doomed if they trade up to get one. How’s that working out for the Redskins? Other than building a potential Rams dynasty? The Rams might trade out again and end up with 5 or more first round picks for RGKnee. We should not be so stupid and reckless. The cost to trade up is way to high to justify, not on a team that still has many issues.

  81. Bucsfanman Says:

    Good point bucrightoff! I have no retort. I just think their fan base is in need of placating from the whole Schaub mess.

  82. Buc1987 Says:

    ouch and Andrew no one know what they will and won’t do in the draft. For all we know they trade up and draft Clowney. Then possibly have one of the nastiest defensive lines in our teams recent history. I would certainly be happy with just that. Draft gaurd or wr in the 2nd and 3rd.

    or Trade down.

  83. Bucsfanman Says:

    One more thing to add; I’m not saying draft a QB in the 1st, I think they can get a guy later for the whole clipboard holder thing!

  84. Couch Fan Says:

    I agree about not trading up. We need all of our picks and getting more should be a priority if possible.

  85. Andrew 1 Says:

    @ Couch

    This first one could be debated, but in the opinion of some of these draft “gurus” there is no sure fire franchise QB like Andrew Luck. I dont how you feel about that, but I tend to agree with them. If you want, take out that first one then, and you still have a pretty sizable list.

  86. Eric Says:

    The signing of McCown was no surprise. Joe wrote about it long ago.

    It changes nothing as to who the QB of the future will be, and makes it it no less likely that it could be JF.

    If anything, the use of free agency to fill some holes makes it more likely they take a QB at 7.

    Who that would be is anyone’s guess. After the events of the last few days how can anyone purport to know what Lovie is going to do?

    These people could trade to number one and take Clowney.

    McCown changed nothing, that’s been in the works since Lovie got the job.

  87. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    I trust Lovie/Licht/Tedford -Have a great plan in place (Unlike the Raiders)

    Competition for QB Mike Glennon (FA Options)
    • Josh McCown

    Draft (Later Round Options)
    • Zach Mettenberger
    • David Fales
    • Brett Smith
    • Tajh Boyd
    • Aaron Murray

    +Camp Arm( UDFA options)
    • Keith Price
    • Jeff Mathews

    Since they’ve signed their veteran quarterback to push Mike Glennon- I can see them drafting another prospect in the later rounds. Possible sign another camp arm with potential to make the practice squad.

    (Note:Just because you announce a QB in March-Dont mean he will be the starter in Sept-ref: Seattle QB Flynn)

    Keep an eye on QB Chase Daniels (Chiefs)

  88. Andrew 1 Says:

    @ Couch

    let me put it like this, in your opinion, do you think there is more or less of a chance that we draft Manziel? If less, then maybe we should be concentrating more on some of these other guys than we are Johnny.

  89. lurker Says:

    Couch Fan Said:
    March 14th, 2014 at 11:25 am

    “I am smart enough to know that I dont know anything right now, neither do any of you. To assume that we absolutely under no circumstances will draft a QB in the 1st is silly.”

    Donald Rumsfeld said:
    February 2002

    Reports that say that something hasn’t happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns; that is to say, there are things that we now know we don’t know. But there are also unknown unknowns – there are things we do not know we don’t know.

    ————————
    I agree :)

  90. SAMCRO Says:

    Joe thinks Oakland holds the cards on Manziel which could be true only if he makes it past Jacksonville first, who traded Gabbert, and signed Henne. If Jacksonville passes then he has to get past Cleveland, who dumped Campbell, and Weeden, and are now down to only Brian Hoyer.

    Joe’s dream on drafting Manziel is stacked against him. Not because Lovie and the gang don’t want to draft a QB with their first pick but because these other teams have made moves in free agency that lends to believe that they are maneuvering into position to draft a QB also. It just depends on who these other teams covet first.

  91. Atlbucs28 Says:

    Lets hope Josh McCown is following the Rich Gannon path to success. Didn’t he hold a clipboard for 10 years than 4 pro bowls ,league mvp , 3 straight years in playoffs and SB we all remember… keeping the fingers crossed!

  92. Couch Fan Says:

    @Andrew 1

    The problem with my opinion is that it means nothing. Tedford’s opinion is all that matters and I have no clue what he is thinking. He could be in love with Manziel just like Joe for all we know.

  93. passthebuc Says:

    Watch out for what you wish,

    You may just get it.

  94. lurker Says:

    I think they will take a qb in the first. whether at 7, higher or lower, I do not know. with a first rounder they get a contract for 5 years. if the plan is to have them sit for a year, this will give them time to evaluate while mccown starts.

  95. Couch Fan Says:

    If I had my choice I’d go with BridgeWater, I can tell you that much.

  96. Biff Barker Says:

    Actually, this scenario is highly plausible.

    What hurts my head is that McCown and J. Football are so dissimilar that you probably couldn’t run the same offense without squandering JF’s biggest asset.

    Mobility. Isn’t that the rap on Glennon?

  97. Andrew 1 Says:

    I would go with Bridgewater as well.

  98. pick6 Says:

    licht will draft a QB, just not at #7 overall. i suspect he’s got an eye on one of garoppolo, aaron murray, and AJ mccarron on day 2 and 3 though

  99. Bucsfanman Says:

    Props on the Rumsfeld quote Lurker!!!
    I agree about sitting them also. Too many QBs fail because they are NOT ready.

  100. Buc Neckid Says:

    Too much drama and pressure to play him NOW if you take Johnny Football, Bortles or even Bridgewater regardless of Lovie’s declaration of this year’s “Starter”.
    Not so much with Mettenburger, Murray and McCarron.
    They really are the ones to watch.

  101. Orca Says:

    K_bassuka Says:
    March 14th, 2014 at 12:08 pm

    … Revis, like Joe replied, is making $12 million, heck we should have paid the 4 million difference and receive something for it.

    Salary cap space is non transferrable. It’s not about the money, dude. It’s about the cap space. Duh. [shaking my head]

  102. Orca Says:

    Joe is stocking up on handy cream and tissues to get himself through the next 2 months of dreaming about Johnny D*ckballs.

  103. Mr. T Says:

    I think the pic you posted, JF with scantily clad gals galore, shows why he won’t be coming here, doesn’t quite fit the type of player Lovie is looking for. Sorry Joe, not happening.

  104. Mike J Says:

    5mil is not starting QB money. They did slightly overpay but he was going to be in high demand so it happens. The LT Collins makes more than he does. Money will not determine who will be starting

    ___________________________________________

    5 million is too much for a QB coaching HS football 2 years ago. He was only in high demand in Lovie’s eyes. A lot of back up QB’s in this league we could have gotten for less. But Lovie made his evaluation over 8 games, not 9 years. A joke. Glennon has more TD passes over 12 games as a rookie on a bad team than Josh has over his career

  105. rush Says:

    Johnny Fooseball sucks you are hyping a player who will get 1 nfl contract then will be playing in Canada or riding around in his daddy’s yacht.

  106. Jonathan Says:

    Canadian bucs fan said

    “Beat me to it joe I was gonna say the same thing that Lovie wants QB competition. Lovie also said he had big plans for Revis too.”

    Lovie didn’t lie. He did have big plans for revis. If revis didn’t change his contract he would be cut and allow the bucs to pick up 5-6 free agents in his place. Well that’s exactly what happened lol.

  107. k_bassuka Says:

    @orca

    Baloney, if they were so worry about $4 million cap space then they wouldn’t signed him at that price. I hope you all realize that we spent Revis salary, who is a pro bowl caliber player on two players (Collins and McCown) that wouldn’t even start in over 60% of the league…

  108. JFat Says:

    @ k_bassuka

    Because 4.75 + 6 = 16 right?

  109. JFat Says:

    @ k_bassuka

    McCown + Collins + Myers + Mcdonald = 15.25 mil this year. McCown I could care less about. But a good pass-rush DT, decent receiving TE and an under-rated LT according to PFF for the price of 1 “elite” cb sounds like a deal to me.

    OR

    Verner + Johnson = 17.25 this year. So a pro-bowl CB and DE for 1.25 mil more than 1 Revis.

    The front office is going after value, just like they said they would. They aren’t just shelling out crazy contracts to get a name that you’ve heard on ESPN.

  110. Bucsfanman Says:

    I can’t wait for the season to start and start winning some football games. The negativity is stifling for supposed “fans”. Get over it and move the freak on, Revis is gone. Get behind your team boys and girls!

  111. K_bassuka Says:

    @JFat

    McCown = 4.75 + 5 (incentives) = 9.75
    Collins = 6 + 9 (signing bonus) = 15
    Myers = 2 + 1.5 (incentives) = 3.5
    McDonald = 3 + .5 (bonus) = 3.5

    So 4 back-ups will make (if we make the playoffs) $31.75 million. Get your facts right….

  112. JFat Says:

    @K_Bassuka

    http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/tampa-bay-buccaneers/cap-hit/

    You are adding the entire roster bonus to a salary that already includes the prorated roster bonus for Collins: 4mil base, 2mil roster bonus – 6 Mil. McCown 4.75 base. 10.75 total, without McCown’s incentives.

    Collins will get bonuses starting in 2016 based on playing time. I’m not adding in incentives here granted because I don’t know what they’re based on, but nothing I’ve read would give McCown 5 million in incentives THIS year. 2mill per year in possible incentives, 1 mill escalator in 2015 (presuming he is still the starter).

    So let’s assume McCown gets his 2 mil in incentives this year, so he gets 6.75mil and Collins gets 6. 12.75 is still < 16 and since McCown got his bonus I would assume the Bucs are in the playoffs and he performed at a higher level than expected.

  113. K_bassuka Says:

    McCown can make $2 mil playing time incentive plus $3 mil if he makes the playoffs (which we all hope he does) raising his salary to $9.75 mil plus the $6 from Collins and that’s Revis money for 2 backups instead of a pro-bowl player… Anyway, I’m rooting for this those new additions to pan out. Tired of watching losing teams specially our QB’s of late…

 
 

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