Greg Cosell Talks To Joe
February 24th, 2014
Greg Cosell of NFL Films.
The NFL Scouting Combine was a Who’s Who of NFL elite. Not just NFL coaches and general managers but some of the most intelligent football minds were wandering around.
Joe tried to interview as many as he could and as many who were willing to chat on the record. One of those intelligentsia is Greg Cosell of NFL Films. The guy breaks down tape and discusses it in such a smart way that Joe is jealous beyond words.
Joe got Cosell to talk about Lovie Smith, Adrian Clayborn and every Bucs fan’s favorite subject, Mike Glennon.
JoeBucsFan: Was the hiring of Lovie Smith the elixir the Bucs needed?
Greg Cosell: I think Lovie Smith is a very good coach who brings stability and continuity to a team.
Joe: With Lovie being such a good defensive coach, it doesn’t seem like the Bucs will have a hard time developing a good defense. Any decent coach would love to have guys like Gerald McCoy up front, Lavonte David in the second level and Darrelle Revis in the secondary.
Cosell: That’s a really good foundation and they have really good players at all three levels for their defense. The Bucs are a team that actually has a good amount of talent. This is a really good job. Lovie is stepping into a pretty good situation and a lot of good players. I guess the one thing you might say is they might be looking for would be the pure pass rusher, especially if [Lovie] would stick methodologywise with the Tampa-2 scheme. If he sticks with that as his overriding foundation, then he needs someone with the overriding possibility to rush the quarterback effectively with [only] your four down linemen. I really like Adrian Clayborn as a player. I wouldn’t call him a pure pass rusher. So they may need that guy. That’s the one they would be missing to really run that scheme effectively.
Joe: It seems like Clayborn was misused with all sorts of stunts.
Cosell: Why do you think that is?
Joe: Partially because Clayborn wasn’t fully recovered from knee surgery?
Cosell: Well, let’s walk through this. If you don’t believe he is a dominant outside pass rusher, which he is not, so what do you then do? You scheme pressure. And that’s what they did. They did absolutely the right thing. Does it always work? Of course not. I try to understand why they did that. They were trying to create pressure. They didn’t have ends who could rush the quarterback to win one-on-one. I try to understand the process.
Joe: Though people like Gil Brandt and others seem to think Mike Glennon has a future as the Bucs quarterback, there are a number of Bucs fans who want to throw him overboard.
Cosell: How many games has he played?
Joe: A grand total of 13 games.
Cosell: Well there you go. Mike Glennon, hands down, had the best year of any rookie quarterback. I would argue that Mike Glennon played well, under the circumstances. I would argue that he was an effective rookie quarterback. The problem with rookie quarterbacks like Mike Glennon is now there is a sense that the league has transitioned to runaround players. And because Mike Glennon is not a runaround player, he is somehow a lesser quarterback. The only problem with that is the best quarterbacks in the NFL are not runaround players.
Joe: To his defense, Mike Glennon played with a hand tied behind his back. Wide receivers had injuries. Running backs had injuries. The offensive line struggled.
Cosell: I don’t think Vincent Jackson had that great of year. He dropped a lot of balls.
Joe: He was also swarmed by defensive backs.
Cosell: Yes, so I don’t understand the concern with Mike Glennon. I think if you are evaluating Mike Glennon, you would say he showed a lot of the attributes that you look for in NFL quarterbacks. I could show you plays he threw with great anticipation and great accuracy, the kinds of things you look for. I think Mike Glennon has a chance to be a very good NFL quarterback.
February 24th, 2014 at 10:34 am
UH-OH. I look forward to Phillip, Harry, and Eric telling Cosell he’s not very smart, like they tell all of us.
February 24th, 2014 at 10:39 am
that interview seemed a bit contentious. It is hard to tell via text, but cosell countered questions with questions. Good job JOE for getting to some real , unfiltered answers
February 24th, 2014 at 10:40 am
Smart, but uninformed. Like a lot of national guys, caught up in the narrative.
But that’s ok, Lovie and Tedford have seen the film.
February 24th, 2014 at 10:41 am
It is going to be interesting to see just what Glennon is capable of, given both sides opinions of his worthiness. This has to be one of the most anticipated question marks for the future of the Bucs.
February 24th, 2014 at 10:47 am
Oh snap!
February 24th, 2014 at 10:49 am
Uninformed? That’s hilarious. The guy’s job has been to watch NFL tape -365 days a year for the last 33 years.
February 24th, 2014 at 10:57 am
You really think the guy has focused on breaking down film on Mike Glennon like Lovie and Tedford are doing?
Of course not.
So, he states the narrative. Ask him “how many touchdown passes did Mike Glennon throw in the second half this year?”
He wouldn’t have a clue.
February 24th, 2014 at 10:59 am
I look forward to douches like lightningbuc and others to continue to harp on the same statistics and records over and over again…
Did I EVER say I can evaluate a player better than Mayock Cosell Brandt Kirwan Jaws or any other person who works for the NFL/ESPN and studies film and players for a living? Seriously repeat what you just said and realize how dumb that sounds…
My opinion of Glennon will not change until I see him actually play like he hasn’t already hit his potential…
But everyone is sooooooo excited that we got Lovie because the Seahawks just won the Super Bowl because of their historically great defense and think we can do the same with our defense and average to below average QB play and forgetting that the Seahawks wouldn’t have gotten there without Russell Wilson making plays for them all season to put points on the board and complete amazing 40 yard strikes on 4th and 17 in the NFC championship game… Remember just because a Defense gets tons of turnovers doesn’t mean it translates to points look at our very own 2013 Bucs(Can’t blame it ALL on coaching)
February 24th, 2014 at 11:03 am
Scratch Clowney going no lower than 2. The kid ran a 4.47
February 24th, 2014 at 11:05 am
…and open the flood gates!
February 24th, 2014 at 11:05 am
Here’s some info from Cosell last November:
“On Thursday, NFL Films’ Greg Cosell, who probably watches more game film than anyone not employed by an NFL team, said that Buccaneers rookie Mike Glennon, who replaced Josh Freeman in Week 4, is already farther along in his development than Griffin.
“Mike Glennon is so far more advanced than RG3 playing NFL quarterback that it’s not even close,” Cosell said during an appearance on 98.7 The Fan in Tampa Bay. ”They shouldn’t even be in the same discussion.”
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So to answer your question, yes, I think Cosell breaks down film of Glennon, along with all the QBs.
February 24th, 2014 at 11:05 am
@lightningbuc Says:
“…UH-OH. I look forward to Phillip, Harry, and Eric telling Cosell he’s not very smart, like they tell all of us…”
LOL
No, not going there. I respect Cosell’s knowledge and opinion. And just to be clear lightningbuc, I have never said you, or almost anyone in here is not smart. We are all just expressing our novice opinions. There are many in here that act like buttheads (FlBoyinDallas comes to mind). I try to be respectful.
February 24th, 2014 at 11:07 am
@Sneedy16 Says:
“…Scratch Clowney going no lower than 2. The kid ran a 4.47”
Damn! The kid is a freak!
February 24th, 2014 at 11:11 am
More advanced than RG III?
yeah, sure he is.
February 24th, 2014 at 11:13 am
Unofficially 4.47 gonna be more like 4.54 officially.. None of his numbers really matter though the kid has all the potential in the world just matters if he has the fire in him to be great.. I do agree though whoever wants him needs to go up to 2 to take him because STL needs a OT and a WR in the worse kind of way
February 24th, 2014 at 11:17 am
Harry,
You may not have called me not very smart (actually Phillip is the one who calls people idiots), but you continue to say that I have compared Glennon to Brees, which is inaccurate. All I said, is that Brees wasn’t very good for his first three years, so how can anyone know Glennon won’t be good after just one year?
February 24th, 2014 at 11:24 am
@lightningbuc
I don’t normally use the term idiots…I did just call you a d0 u c h e in my comment awaiting moderation though :)… But if I did you probably said something to deserve it honestly… Or I was referring to the entire MGM which includes some clueless people that contradict themselves all the time and continue to push rookie records and one sided statistics to try and prove a point when it hasn’t changed anyone’s mind yet and will not… It gets old real quick and real fast
February 24th, 2014 at 11:24 am
Being a freak does not always translate into NFL talent.
February 24th, 2014 at 11:28 am
Quite the list of experts throwing themselves into Glennons corner. Seems it’s only the local pen and mic club that have little to no faith.
February 24th, 2014 at 11:47 am
Phillis,
Stay classy!
February 24th, 2014 at 11:52 am
@Joe – Really didn’t see a lot of those questions, and the way they were worded, coming. Congratulations from all of us here at JBF to Joe for earning his 7 days of sobriety coin. Clearly his judgement isn’t quite as cloudy
February 24th, 2014 at 11:53 am
It appears Joe is having a difficult time finding NFL insiders down on Glennon besides the usual suspects. In all fairness, if Joe really had an agenda, he wouldn’t post the pro-Glennon stuff at all. He’s keeping it a little more balanced, but I’m confident soon after the combine coverage is over we’ll get back to hearing more from the “usual suspects” who are down on MG8.
Joe seriously, THANKS for the combine coverage. You did a wonderful job and I do appreciate all of your hard work. I look forward to you guys getting back to sunny Florida, and slamming a few brewskies. Maybe your inspiration Johnny rubbed off a little of that mojo to help you pull some young stuff around here. If not theres always the true and tried method of pulling yourself. Just don’t eat Boston Market and stay away from shopping center parking lots. lol
February 24th, 2014 at 11:56 am
Cossell just said that if the draft was tonight, he’s taking Bortles #1.
February 24th, 2014 at 11:58 am
I have to side with Phillip to a degree. Some of the comments made by the MGMers are just ridiculous.
Lightningbuc, the thing about comparing MG8 to Bress is this: one can always find some random statistic to support an argument. For example, did you know that MG8 has a significant LOWER rating than the rookie years of Matt Cassel (career backup) and Todd Blackledge (one of the biggest draft busts ever)? What does that mean? Nothing.
The thing about MG8 is I don’t see him making those around him better. And the 2nd half play was really telling in my opinion. When I watched both Mannings their rookie years, you could see the greatness, but in the same games the “rookie” would come out in them in the form of a bonehead play. But at least you could see the magic in them for stretches at a time.
February 24th, 2014 at 12:37 pm
Phillip Says:
‘I don’t normally use the term idiots…I did just call you a d0 u c h e in my comment awaiting moderation though 🙂 … But if I did you probably said something to deserve it honestly’
Name calling doesn’t get you respect. Just makes your opinions crap.
February 24th, 2014 at 12:44 pm
Most of VJax’s drops were early in the year when Freeman was QB. He had a bad case of the dropsies early, but I don’t think it was a big problem all season (especially late).
February 24th, 2014 at 12:47 pm
“the thing about comparing MG8 to Bress is this: one can always find some random statistic to support an argument.”
I said Brees wasn’t very good for his first three seasons. That’s no random statistic. You and your gang would have written him off after his rookie year, and after his second year, based on his play.
February 24th, 2014 at 12:51 pm
lightningbuc Says
“Uninformed? That’s hilarious. The guy’s job has been to watch NFL tape -365 days a year for the last 33 years.”
I’m sorry, but the guy didn’t even know Vincent was double teamed. That would have been obvious had he truly watched the film in detail.
I think several people claim the study the film, all the film, but few do it. They might watch a couple games per team.
If they were actually studying all the games, they wouldn’t have time for anything else.
February 24th, 2014 at 12:52 pm
Glennon is the answer.
Draft/Sign O-Lineman, worth the salary cap allocated.
February 24th, 2014 at 12:53 pm
@MEH
Oh yeah, Vjax was dropping them even after Freeman was yanked. I can remember Glennon going to him on slants a couple of times, the ball was right on target and in stride yet the ball slipped through VJax’s hands. Maybe it was a timing thing, but the kid went to the veteran target like he should and the vet let him down. My guess is VJax would even say he had a down year and dropped more passes than he should of.
February 24th, 2014 at 12:55 pm
@stevek (MGM) Says:
“…Glennon is the answer…”
To the question, most likely to serve as a career backup… LOL
February 24th, 2014 at 12:58 pm
@BoJim
My opinion or anyone else on here probably isn’t going to sway you one way or the other so I could honestly care less if you think its crap… Have a nice day
February 24th, 2014 at 1:00 pm
@lightningbuc Says:
“…I said Brees wasn’t very good for his first three seasons. That’s no random statistic. You and your gang would have written him off after his rookie year…”
That may be the plan of some, although I don’t recall ever reading that. My plan would be to make MG8 compete with a 1st rd pick QB, probably Teddy/Johnny. IMO, that puts us in a “can’t loose” scenario, basically doubling our chances at having a franchise QB for the next 10+ years.. Ideally, if both are very good/great, then the Bucs can trade one and recoup some draft picks. If only one is great, we still have our QB.
February 24th, 2014 at 1:00 pm
lightningbuc, I’m not a member of the MGM.
But here is my stance on him.
I don’t know if he will be good. Some QBs have a decent rookie year and then suck after that (Sean King). Others have a promising rookie year and become very, very good, even if their second year sucks.
The only thing I know is this…I do not want to wait another 2-4 years to find out without having another solid option added to the mix. Whether that is a Mark Sanchez, Matt Schaub, Johnny Football or Blake Bortles…we need as firm option aside from Glennon.
To me, Glennon’s season won him the right to compete to be the starter, nothing more. If he is good as the MGM claims, he will earn the role.
If not, we’ll need a second option.
If we draft a QB in the first round, the guy should compete to start, but it should not be handed to him. He should earn it by beating out the other QBs. It happens.
Teams make their first round QBs into backups at the start of their career. Not always, but some of the time. That is Mike Glennon’s window of opportunity. He can earn the starting role and if he does, the Bucs could get a first round tender for the guy they draft.
February 24th, 2014 at 1:16 pm
Thanks for the kind words guys.
February 24th, 2014 at 1:16 pm
@Bonzai
Well said!
February 24th, 2014 at 1:17 pm
I don’t even know why ANYONE would argue with that Bonzai.
February 24th, 2014 at 1:32 pm
“I don’t know if he will be good”
Bonzai,
Couldn’t agree with you more. I’ve never said Glennon is, or will be, good and/or great. I’ve only been defending MG8 against those who have said they are sure he isn’t the answer after only 13 games.
February 24th, 2014 at 1:55 pm
Harry Says:
February 24th, 2014 at 1:00 pm
My plan would be to make MG8 compete with a 1st rd pick QB, probably Teddy/Johnny.
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B.S. If that happens, the 1st round drafted QB would be the de facto starter, and Glennon would be relegated to backup no-matter how well he performs.
Stop insulting us. Everyday you give us this diatribe on how terrible you think Glennon is but many paid NFL INSIDERS see it differently. So then you call them idiots. I hate to break it to you, but all of your hate filled MG8 commentary doesn’t mean you are right when a bigger majority would like to see Glennon at least get a fair shot at winning the job.
February 24th, 2014 at 2:07 pm
I want a pocket passer than can move, you know my stance on that.
BRIDGEWATER OR BUST
But to make a comment like MG who is a ROOKIE and has only played 13 games in the crap shoot of a situation he had to play with against so many top 10 defenses has “hit his potential” is illogical and just plain ignorant.
February 24th, 2014 at 2:10 pm
MG8 has the talent to be under center here for the next 10 plus years. If you get off watching a QB run a round then he’s not your guy.
February 24th, 2014 at 2:13 pm
boom! take that glennon haters.
February 24th, 2014 at 2:23 pm
@Barry
I am glad you think so. But even happier Lovie & Co think he needs competition, because I certainly think he does. So I am still hoping his competition is in the form of a 1st rd rookie with a potentially higher ceiling. If MG8 wins out, more power to him.
@bucray1, did you forget to take your meds today?
February 24th, 2014 at 3:03 pm
@SAMCRO Says:
“…B.S. If that happens, the 1st round drafted QB would be the de facto starter, and Glennon would be relegated to backup no-matter how well he performs…”
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I think Lovie is smarter than that; why would he not have the best player out there? Are you saying he would rather be seen as a great drafter of talent than a winning coach? That is beyond silly.
SAM-SCROTUM says: Stop insulting us. Everyday you give us this diatribe on how terrible you think Glennon is but many paid NFL INSIDERS see it differently. So then you call them idiots. I hate to break it to you, but all of your hate filled MG8 commentary doesn’t mean you are right when a bigger majority would like to see Glennon at least get a fair shot at winning the job.
You have some serious anger issues SCROTUM. There are many points you are completely wrong on – I challenge you to prove me wrong on these:
1) Show where I have ever insulted anyone on here, outside of this post;
2) Where have I EVER ONCE said Glennon is terrible;
3) Show once where I have called an expert an idiot (btw, some NFL INSIDERS
think Glennon is not a starting QB);
4) When have I ever once written hate filled commentary re: MG8;
Just like you,SCROTUM, I am allowed to express my opinion, right or wrong, the only difference is I normally try to be respectful doing it. I know your meds make you feel a little weird, but it is best that you take them so you don’t have outbursts like this one.
February 24th, 2014 at 3:09 pm
Yeah, Carson Palmer has the talent to be under center in the NFL for 10 years too. That even includes 2 Pro Bowl appearances, 2 post season appearances (both losses) and a record under .500 while maintaining a 62.6 comp % and 85.9 QBR. I believe Palmer is a better QB than Glennon at least so far as physical tools is concerned. Glennon MAY end up a better QB and he may NOT. Either way, just because a QB is capable of playing 10 years doesn’t make them special or even worth being the guy to lead a team.
Tony Romo has been in the NFL for 10 years as well, behind center for 8. Made 3 playoff appearances (1-3 record), 3 Pro Bowls, career 64.6 comp % and 95.8 rating. Again, my take is Glennon is no better than Romo even when he hits full potential.
I don’t think anyone would dispute that Aaron Rodgers is a far better QB than Glennon will ever be. He’s played 6 of 9 years in the NFL, made 5 consecutive playoff appearances, a Super Bowl win, 3 Pro Bowls. (65.8% and 104.9QBR)
Why wouldn’t any fan want us to at least continue to seek out a player like Rodgers (or the Saint’s QB, Patriots, Broncos, etc.) instead of settle for a Romo (at best) or Palmer? Can we win with a lesser QB? Maybe, but not consistently. The Cowboys have always bought teams around Romo without much luck. Why not buy the QB and give him some players to work with. Saints added talent around the QB in Colston, Graham, Sproles (7th rnd, 3rd, and FA) and let the QB make them special.
I have no problem if Glennon starts over a 1st round rookie QB this year. That’s worked for multiple elite QBs in the league (Rodgers, Patriots, Saints) so long as he wins the battle. Gives us time to groom the 1st rounder and Glennon time to reach his potential. If both end up great, that’s a wonderful problem to have.
We don’t have the ammunition to move up in the draft with limited picks this year…. unless we use next year’s picks to get the guy. But we have too many holes to fill, we can’t afford picks lost this year or next!!! Unless we add value FAs at every other position, where there is much more available talent than QB. DE, OL, WR are all out there in FA, QB is not (at least not elite potential QB). Swap 1st rounders this year, give up next year’s #1 and maybe even a conditional pick next year as well (as high as 3rd, as low as 5th depending on production). If we find elite immediately, we lose a 1st and 3rd next year, but have a top QB. If elite needs groomed, we lose a 1st and 5th next year. If he’s a bust, we still have Glennon.
February 24th, 2014 at 3:15 pm
Well said BamBam; very logical, intelligent post. I concur completely
February 24th, 2014 at 3:31 pm
So, it is ok to roll the dice, and trade the farm for a “potential” franchise QB?
But, it is not ok to draft BPA, and see if Glennon outplays this class of QBs too?
I say through 5 long years with #5 and the “youngry build throught the draft”.
Enough is enough, we need BPA not some crazy trade up that will cost too much.
QB is about our 4th priority right now:
1. Pass rush
2. OL/DL
3. TE
4. Slot WR/3rd WR/SLB
We have bigger holes to fill.
February 24th, 2014 at 3:38 pm
@Harry
And look who sounds angry? … and calling names. So grown-up. You need to step down from that soapbox and reassess. .
Sometimes I just don’t understand the hate towards Mike Glennon. He really is a nice guy, and is doing everything he can to better himself for the upcoming season, if he doesn’t lose out to fair competition in camp.
Are you afraid to be fair? Will history prove you wrong? Can you handle the truth? Will you always be in denial? Will you ever actually root for Mike Glennon if he is the starter? By anything and everything you’ve said to this point, I think you would secretly root against him. Like a coward!
February 24th, 2014 at 3:48 pm
At least 3 of 4 can be remedied through FA and in rounds 2, 4, 5, & 7 of this purportedly deep draft. And those would be upgrades in most instances, not just added competition. TE is the least likely to be upgraded if Wright continues to be a viable receiving threat. Again, I’m wanting us to upgrade, not add competition. Competition for low talent is other low talent, otherwise it’s not much of a competition, it’s an upgrade.
February 24th, 2014 at 3:59 pm
I’m with ya Stevek! Glennon has shown the strengths that a QB needs to have to be great! Let him Play, and fill the real holes through the off season!
GO BUCS!
February 24th, 2014 at 4:05 pm
No I don’t think it’s ok to merely go after lesser talents in fear that your starting QB couldn’t beat out the best you could possibly bring in.
February 24th, 2014 at 5:44 pm
@SAM-SCROTUM Says:
“…Sometimes I just don’t understand the hate towards Mike Glennon. He really is a nice guy, and is doing everything he can to better himself for the upcoming season, if he doesn’t lose out to fair competition in camp…”
Where exactly is this hate you see? I don’t see it; no harsh words toward MG8. Everybody says he is a nice guy; I am sure you know him personally. What you call “fair competition” is handing him the job. Please enlighten me as to what on earth MG8 did to deserve the starting QB job being handed to him? He led the worst offense in the NFL, has one of the worst QB ratings in the 2nd half of games – could not score at all, has not pocket presents, etc. I just don’t get this attitude to “hand him the job”
What on earth is wrong with MG8 competing with a 1st rd rookie if MG8 is so awesome as you suggest? Do you not want to see your Bucs have the best possible QB they can have? Best man wins the job; hopefully its a hard decision bc they are both so good; we recoup some draft picks by trading which ever one does not win the job bc they are so good; Bucs have a real franchise QB for the first time in their history.
February 24th, 2014 at 6:07 pm
@Harry
I’d call you a name but I don’t play that way. And For some reason you call me angry for saying B.S. don’t figure.
Please explain to me what QB could have miraculously done better last year behind that horrific offense. I mean listen to yourself and try to remember the same game the rest of us watched. Give me a QB in the first round this year who would have done better than Glennon last year in that crappy offense. You can’t because you can’t be definitive about it because you don’t know.
Glennon showed a lot of promise for what he had to work with. I’m all for competition but if they give up a lot of draft picks to select a QB in the 1st round. He will be the starting day QB.. They are not about to let a 3rd round second year QB be the starter, and then try to justify it to the media. They invested to much not to play with their new toy.
Another thing, No-one in the Glennon Mob is saying “just hand him the job”. That’s what you keep saying we are saying, but it’s not true. Stop lying.
February 24th, 2014 at 6:59 pm
Half are going to be right and half are going to be wrong. Get over it. In the end we are all Buc fans and want the best possible outcome. Opinions are like….. you know the rest.
February 24th, 2014 at 9:19 pm
Harry…you keep bringing that up about the 2nd half of games when it comes to Glennon. From what I gathered all season long from posters in here and from Joe. No 2nd half adjustments were Schiano’s fault. So which is it Glennon’s fault or Schiano’s?
Like SAMCRO…I have yet to read anyone from the MGM suggesting that the job should just be handed to Glennon. That’s called making stuff up, just to argue.
I hope there is a QB in the draft that’s better than Glennon, after Teddy, Manziel and Bortles are selected before the Bucs at #7. I just don’t just don’t see one.
One thing is certain if the Bucs trade up in the first to get a QB, that QB WILL be gifted the starting job. That’s just a FACT. This is not high school or college ball, where the best man wins the job. Sadly, that’s not how the NFL works. It precisely why my dad has not watched pro football in over 25 years.
February 24th, 2014 at 9:53 pm
1987: Let’s make this really easy. Let’s compare 2013 to 2012 Bucs 2nd half numbers. We all know the two QBs and it was the same coaches, so same lack of adjustments. We know the 2012 QB sucks, so if the 2013 one is worse, then we know we don’t have our QB.
2012 comp % 2nd half – 53.5 (2.8% drop) (compared to 1st half stats)
2013 comp % 2nd half – 50.4 (12.1% drop)
2012 Y/A 2nd half – 7.7 (1.5 yards per attempt increase)
2013 Y/A 2nd half – 4.8 (1.5 Y/A drop)
2012 TD/INT 2nd half – even/+1
2013 TD/INT 2nd half – -9/+4
2012 QBR 2nd half – 80.6 (+1.8)
2013 QBR 2nd half – 60.0 (-34.1)
Now, maybe we can attribute that to a 4th year player vs a rookie, but those are just pathetic. EJ Manuel actually played about the same, maybe a bit better in the 2nd half of games over the 1st half. Geno Smith threw way more INTs in the 2nd half, but everything else was about equal to his 1st half. The Jets won 8 games, the Bills won 6 games (much more important number than splits, but may be due to Glennon’s huge drop in the 2nd half splits)
February 24th, 2014 at 10:10 pm
There’s a lot of people on here that think Lovie and Tedford don’t want Glennon as the starter. My advice to you is don’t get fooled by the smoke screen.
February 25th, 2014 at 12:12 am
BamBam…true same coaching staff, that probably was very cautious with a rookie. It could be, it could not be. Lots of maybe’s.
February 25th, 2014 at 2:55 am
Harry,(probably not your real name) you give other Harry’s a bad name as they might be mistaken for you. Yes you are mean spirited, angry sounding and known for repeating mantras you hear on the radio. Be positive, be respectful and be truthful in your statements and you might be listened to on this blog. Put on your big boy pants and straighten up and fly right.
February 25th, 2014 at 9:56 am
True 1987, lets remove all statements with maybe or could from my last post and just stick to facts!
February 25th, 2014 at 10:56 am
@BamBam
Great post! Thanks for that info, very good!
February 25th, 2014 at 10:59 am
@jbskiff Says:
“…Be positive, be respectful and be truthful in your statements and you might be listened to on this blog…”
Apparently YOU are reading my posts.
And lets be clear, I am VERY respectful until someone is disrespectful to me. So do us both a favor and ignore my posts so you and I do not have to communicate. That seems respectful…
February 25th, 2014 at 11:09 am
@Buc1987 Says:
“…Harry…you keep bringing that up about the 2nd half of games… No 2nd half adjustments were Schiano’s fault…”
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First, no I do not, I have on rare occasion brought up Glennon’s terrible 2nd half performances. I think BamBam did a good job setting the record straight on that. But I have to point out, when do you MGMers ever put just a little responsiblity on Glennon???
“….Like SAMCRO…I have yet to read anyone from the MGM suggesting that the job should just be handed to Glennon. That’s called making stuff up, just to argue…”
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Making stuff up? When you advocate bringing in lesser talent to “compete” with Glennon for the starters job, how is that NOT handing MG8 the job? What kind of fan are you that you do not want the very best at QB for our Bucs?
“…I hope there is a QB in the draft that’s better than Glennon, after Teddy, Manziel and Bortles are selected before the Bucs at #7…”
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If the Bucs do not draft a QB in the 1st rd, my preference is they do not waste a pick on a QB. We just spent a 3rd rd pick on Glennon last year, why do that again if they are just going to hand the job to MG8 or a Vet they bring in? I think if the Bucs draft a QB in later rounds, that is a clear sign they do not think Glennon is a long term answer.