Dominik-Schiano End Was No Surprise

December 30th, 2013

bryan glazerIs anyone stunned out there?

Joe’s not.

Team Glazer was not going to tolerate a second-rate quarterback and a second-rate team. That’s a toxic combination, unless you like losing and making excuses and hearing chuckles from fellow billionaires at the NFL owners meetings.

Sure, Team Glazer could have granted Greg Schiano another season and demanded change at QB, why do that with a defensive head coach who was leading the NFL’s worst offense?

The only reason Team Glazer might have kept the status quo was to save money. Many fans think Team Glazer is cheap. They’re not. They acted. Joe gives the credit.

Look for the Glazers to go after what they didn’t have in Mark Dominik, Raheem Morris and Greg Schiano — a leadership team with big-time experience. That’ll cost them, but it should take the franchise to the next level. There’s still a good core of talent in place.

63 Responses to “Dominik-Schiano End Was No Surprise”

  1. phil Says:

    How about Bill Polian & Bill Cowher

  2. thegregwitul Says:

    I agree 100%. I never bought the idea of the Glazers being stingy with their money just to be greedy. They held back on spending on outside free agents during the Raheem era, in part because there wasn’t a ton of available talent, and remember, they did make offers to several premier free agents that were turned down (thankfully, in the case of Fat Albert). The NFL has 32 teams, all of them have varying amounts of money available to spend on talent. I think ownership wants to win and it’ll be interesting to see what steps they take to accomplish that in the days/weeks ahead.

  3. patrickbucs Says:

    Sure didn’t seem like that was your thought Joe, sounded like you thought 1 or both would be back although maybe you rode the fence and I read to much into it.

    We really need an organizational shift and hopefully the right comination of success at the NFL level and innovation will be the choices.

  4. pewterpirate99 Says:

    I’m EXTREMELY surprised and impressed ( for now, let’s see who they bring in ) with the Glazers !! Merry Christmas AGAIN Buc fans!

  5. Capt. Tim Says:

    The right move. I liked Schiano, but he was over his head.
    Dom was hit and miss.
    Good luck fellas, you worked hard here. Hope you have better success in the future.

    Time for a change.

  6. Gorrilabuc Says:

    Thank you Jesus they fired this bum Schiano. I don’t think that DOM should have gotten the axe he has gotten us a lot of talent. But, DOM hired this bum so I guess it was his tied to Schiano’s! Let’s go Dungy and Lovie!!!!

  7. The_Buc_Realist Says:

    One day we will look back, and Coach Schiano will be known as the hero that finally took down the horrible Pop-star the GM!

  8. pick6 Says:

    the cost of hiring people who have proven they can do the job might be high, but so is firing less expensive coaches and their staffs every couple years.

  9. Tampabaybucfan Says:

    The Glazers are to be congratulated for an ego-busting decision…..they are paying deeply for their mistakes….I hope they go big with their next decision and that starts with the GM.
    All of this will make for a very interesting & exciting off-season.
    Its hard for me to imagine the negativity we would have faced otherwise.
    I do think this team is together and we have gotten rid of the rotten apples…that, a high draft pick, cap space should attract a good candidate.

  10. mark2001 Says:

    Phil…I LIKE IT….

  11. D-Rome Says:

    I’m sure this move surprised a lot of people, Joe. Many in the press corps thought he’d be here another year. Thankfully he won’t be.

  12. NJBucsFan Says:

    Pioli and O’Brien

  13. Jim Says:

    The best coaches out there the Glazer’s have already fired.

  14. D-Rome Says:

    Sure didn’t seem like that was your thought Joe, sounded like you thought 1 or both would be back although maybe you rode the fence and I read to much into it.

    There are a few writers at JBF and they often contradict each other. I wish they would write under their real names.

    Joe’s positions were extraordinarily clear. Lots of folks read to far between the lines. –Joe

  15. holymoly Says:

    Now… who is new GM and Head Coach ? Lovie and rich mckay?

  16. bucrightoff Says:

    Sounds like Lovie is going to be the heavy frontrunner. Big old “meh” if true, replacing one defensive coach for another is just not inspiring when our offense is as bad as it is.

  17. Jim Says:

    Every coach hired since Dungy has been a step backwards.

  18. PRBucFan Says:

    Hopefully we can follow the trend of our last 2 drafts and spot talent.

    Don’t know who was responsible for it but hopefully we haven’t lost that along with the two.

    That being said, this feels right.

    If the Glazers miss AGAIN after this, I don’t see how they recover the fan base.

    They better strike gold

  19. PRBucFan Says:

    D-Rome

    There’s the positive, realistic Joe and the negative, sarcastic, baiting Joe ;)

    Joe’s positions were extraordinarily clear. Lots of folks read to far between the lines. –Joe

  20. Tye Says:

    Mark Dominik brought in Raheem Morris, Josh Freeman and Greg Shiano which were 3 of the major factors in the Bucs getting NOWHERE these past few years so his firing is justified I would say…

    The question now is did the owners learn anything from these past few years or will they hire to fill these positions the way that they did the last time, on little to NO experience!…. The Bucs NEED a proven successful GM that can scout talent well and an Offensive minded HC that can coach a team that can hang with the Broncos, Packers and Patriots, not to mention the Saints, Falcons and yes the Panthers…

    May this FINALLY be the time the Bucs get it right and put together an organization that builds a winning, respectable Team for years to come!!!

  21. Mr. Patrick Says:

    The last time the Bucs had an offensive minded Head Coach they won the Superbowl

  22. SKelly Says:

    No surprise. One of you Joes were calling me and others on here amateur hour for saying Dom should go. Now its no surprise. lol….

    Should go and will go and a surprise are three different things.–Joe

  23. Eric Says:

    I am stunned. I was totally expecting them to bring both back.

    Great moves by the Glazers.

    I do wonder whether the Penn State thing had a little something to do with it. Surely the Glazers could find out if Greg asked about the job. Plus the reports that the AD would make a run at him.

    Now, lets get a great coach and GM and pull his thing together.

    I still believe Jay Gruden would be a fine choice.

  24. Patrick in VA Says:

    Stroud spoke on ESPN a moment ago about Rich McKay coming back with Lovie as HC (evidently Tampa is his #1 seed) Would be pretty interesting to see that come about I think. Maybe put Chudzinski in at OC

  25. BuckeyeBob Says:

    They got what asked for when they brought Schiano on to coach. As Bill Parcells said….you are what your record says you are. Just look at his record in the Big East. Can’t win there how could you expect better at this level. As for Mark, I have known him personally for the past twenty plus years. You will not meet a better person. Wish he and Amy all the best going forward.

  26. patrickbucs Says:

    I wish I had Jay Glazers, Schefter’s, etc. jobs as they really end up knowing nothing. Thank God they were wrong on this call as well

  27. T in Orlando Says:

    I say bring in Pioli, and either a HC or OC who has a track record of developing QBs, or at least making them look better than they are.

    Same may say bring in Cower, which I’m thinking no. The best young players we have on this team; McCoy and David; are only suited to play in a 4-3 defense. Bringing in a 3-4 guy, would diminish their value/

  28. robintampa Says:

    great news.. Phil- before you go wishing for a retread coach, keep in mind that no coach has ever won the Super Bowl for 2 different teams. Not Parcells, not Jimmy Johnson, not Satanahan, not Lombardi, (or Barry Switzer, but he never got a second chance). Experience is needed – no more trying to find the next Dungy – but a retread that’s been out of coaching for years and doing broadcasting doesn’t usually work out well in any sport. (see: Melrose, Barry)

  29. robintampa Says:

    Patrick- Chudzinski couldn’t put an offense together with Steve Smith, 2 all Pro RBs, and Cam freaking Newton. Mike Shula did a better job. Read that again: MIKE “put Keyshawn in motion every time you handoff to Warrick Dunn for a 1 yard loss” SHULA!

  30. patrickbucs Says:

    T in Orlando:

    A great coach will identify their talent and choose a scheme for it’s players. Look at what Tomlin did in Pittsburg, people were scared he was going to run a 4-3 with 3-4 personnel. He didn’t and won a SuperBowl.

  31. Stu Laake Says:

    Omar Khan with Pittsburgh Steelers

  32. REDDMAN Says:

    Thank You Glazers for removing both guys. It was time to blow this thing up and start over. I think they will go with experienced people. Should be interesting.

  33. bucrightoff Says:

    robintampa Says:
    December 30th, 2013 at 1:53 pm
    Patrick- Chudzinski couldn’t put an offense together with Steve Smith, 2 all Pro RBs, and Cam freaking Newton. Mike Shula did a better job. Read that again: MIKE “put Keyshawn in motion every time you handoff to Warrick Dunn for a 1 yard loss” SHULA!
    ______________________________________________________________

    Ummm, go look at the stats again there. Carolina’s offense is much worse this year than last. Ranked 12th in 2012, ranked 26th in 2013. This just proves what winning does to blind people to reality. Carolina’s offense isn’t good, their defense is simply terrific, covering up their inept offense.

  34. steve Says:

    JAY GRUDEN!!!!!!!

  35. IamTheOne Says:

    starts a chant, everyone join in!!!!

    Gruden
    Gruden
    Gruden

  36. Bucs244 Says:

    Glazers better not be talking to former Lions’s rock star Matt Millen.

  37. Eric Says:

    Toes on the unemployment line.

  38. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    No one knew for certain which way it would go. All Joe is saying is that he wasn’t surprised, not that he predicted a firing.

    I like the idea of Bill Polian coming in as GM. But let’s be honest…the last time the fans got who they wanted was gruden. Since, the Glazers have not done the predictable.

    And to those saying bring in a Gruden, forget it. Jon and the Glazers will not mend fences and Jay Gruden is not proven.

    The Glazers have gone with unproven guys too much. They will go with a big name offensive guy this time.

  39. Eric Says:

    Lovie Smith is 81-63 with a Super Bowl appearance and an NFC championship game.

    Sold!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  40. Formerly "Brown Bag" Says:

    HC – Shanahan
    OC – M Schottenheimer
    GM Pioli
    DC – (Kiffin will be available. Just saying)

  41. Bill T Says:

    not sure how you can say Glennon is a second-rate QB when yesterday in the first half, you asked if they could get a 1st round draft pick for him

    That was the point of the question. Joe was asking on Twitter to see whether anyone believed Glennon was of that caliber. Joe wasn’t stating Glennon was that good. –Joe

  42. SKelly Says:

    SKelly Says:
    December 30th, 2013 at 1:47 pm
    No surprise. One of you Joes were calling me and others on here amateur hour for saying Dom should go. Now its no surprise. lol….

    Should go and will go and a surprise are three different things.–Joe

    Fair enough Joe…

    I liked Dom but results were not good enough. To many talented folks out there to not turn the page…..

  43. bucrightoff Says:

    Eric Says:
    December 30th, 2013 at 2:10 pm
    Lovie Smith is 81-63 with a Super Bowl appearance and an NFC championship game.

    Sold!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    _______________________________________________________________

    There’s a coach out there who’s record is 95-81, with a Super Bowl win and an AFC Championship game

    Much more sold on that one…

  44. Don Says:

    Joe, Rockstars belong on stage in clubs, not the NFL

    And kudos to the Glazers, they have ben sending money and have been good owners for our Buccaneers

  45. steve Says:

    bengals have maid the playoffs ever since jay gruden took the job of offensive coordinator

  46. flmike Says:

    @steve
    And they have been one and done each time….

  47. @eric Says:

    Lovie HC
    Schwartz DC
    Chud OC / Norv Turner OC
    McKay back to right the ship at GM

  48. nate Says:

    Your not suprised joe come on.. you said marky d was a rockstar… rockstars dont get fired!!!!!! You should say you were wrong about him…. When the new coach comes in and guts the team you will see..

    Joe doesn’t back off his previous assertions that Dominik was a decent GM — not great, not bad. The rockstar was a nickname dating back to 2010. –Joe

  49. Buc1987 Says:

    Finally something exciting going on with our team again.

  50. Buc1987 Says:

    I’m NOT holding my breath that the Glazers get all this straightened out though. My trust and faith in them is waning as well. Their track record over the last 10 years has been piss poor too.

  51. Celly Says:

    patrickbucs Says:
    December 30th, 2013 at 1:53 pm

    T in Orlando:

    A great coach will identify their talent and choose a scheme for it’s players. Look at what Tomlin did in Pittsburg, people were scared he was going to run a 4-3 with 3-4 personnel. He didn’t and won a SuperBowl.
    —————————–

    I guess we’re just going to disregard the fact that Dick LeBeau stayed on as DC, right?

  52. patrickbucs Says:

    @Celly

    No but they brought in Tomlin to run the offense only? That doesn’t make any sense, he was hired as a defensive coordinator. The point is good coaches see the talent they currently have on the roster and adapt. A number of teams run 3-4, 4-3 hybrids now in the NFL anyway.

  53. steve Says:

    @flmike

    I didn’t realize we already had play off games this year.

  54. Scott Says:

    Changes had to be made. Many poor draft choices (I know they don’t all hit – but Clayborn, Bowers among many disappointments) and only 2 pro bowlers in 5 years from the draft. The 2009 draft group, which should be the core of the team now, are all gone. That’s a bad track record.

  55. BuccaneerBonzai Says:

    Scott Says
    “Changes had to be made. Many poor draft choices (I know they don’t all hit – but Clayborn…”

    Clayborn was a good pick.

    And the last 2 drafts have hit on most of the picks.

  56. crazy Says:

    Needed to be done, but Dom deserves thanks for fixing the cap mess Allen left and Schiano seems to have brought some professionalism back to the locker room even though his game management failed to produce a winning style of play.

    If the Glazers are as hands-off as we’re told this will be an attractive job for a first-rate GM to assemble a winning franchise. The Lightning and Rays turnarounds are good examples of how it can be done with the right people.

  57. Oil Derrick Brooks Says:

    But who wants a decent GM., Joe? As I have said if you accept mediocrity at the top you get it everywhere

    Joe’s merely clarifying for readers. Dominik is old news.–Joe

  58. BigMacAttack Says:

    I was totally wrong and thought saving money would win out, keeping both losers. I’m so glad they’re gone, it was the right call.

    I wish they would get Jon Gruden to come back but doubt it will happen.

    I like Mike Zimmer and he is do for a shot at HC. I could see him with Chudz as his OC. I hope the Glazers move quick so they don’t get smoofed by other teams in the search.

    Pretty much anybody will be an improvement but it’s time for some stability. I also like Scott Pioli for GM.

  59. passthebuc Says:

    It always amazes me why it becomes necessary to hurl insults at a man that put everything he had into his job. Yes, it was not good enough for many posters standards, but being classless, hurling insults reflects on all of us in the Tampa Bay Area. Ok, he was not the man for the job but he deserves respect.

  60. Oil Derrick Brooks Says:

    @ Joe. Classic

    But Freeman is still news? Your logic seems inconsistent between the two. Both set the franchise back years.

  61. Davidbucfan Says:

    Listening to WDAE all day!!

    What a blast Steve is even back from vacation early. My thought is we always miss the bus. We need Shula type coach someone we can stick with for 5 to 7 years to develop a dynasty here!! Go Bucs!!!!

  62. Camby Says:

    Look- Joe’s heart is BROKEN today- dont twist the knife with silly things like fact and logic!

    The talent Dom inherited was Bruce Allen’s fault (even though Dom was in scouting/player personnel back then)

    Drafting Freeman was Raheim’s fault. (as was trading up to get him when nobody else wanted him?)

    Trading 2nd and 5th round picks for the right to make a fringe top 8 TE the highest paid TE ever? Rah again demanding a target for that QB he forced upon Marque

    Drafting Arelious Benn, Brian Price, Kyle Moore, Myron Lewis, Claiborne, Sabby Barronelli, DaQuan Bowers, Luke Stocker? Must not have been him. He was busy those days.

    Paying 2 crippled guards top 5 in the NFL money? Making a mediocre punter the highest paid in the NFL? Throwing ‘top tier’ starter money at such proven studs as Quincy Black and Eric Wright? Again, Glazers/Schiano made him do it.

    Getting nothing in return for Freeman, other than a ton of bad press and paying him 3 million to play somewhere else? Nope.

    Again, nothing was his fault. Not in his mind, and certainly not on here. Glad this clown was finally held responsible for the mess he created, and maybe finally people can admit that little Marky was in wayyyy over his head trying to play a big boy GM, when he still needs to be seated at the kids table.

  63. NY Buc Says:

    Dom + Rah = sh!t drafts, but Dom + Schiano = young talent. I really wish they could have gotten one more year to either right the ship or walk the plank. Oh well, at least the Schiano haters can celebrate today. Hopefully the Bucs find a good GM and coaching staff.

 
 

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