Comments on: Roy Miller Vs. “The Stat Society”

By: FLBoyInDallas

FLBoyInDallas — Mon, 04 Mar 2013 16:58:45 +0000

Yes, Miller is doing the job the Bucs are asking of him. That doesn’t rule out the fact, however, that there are guys available in free agency and the draft who can do it at an even higher level. There’s room for improvement. Ideally Miller should be playing a Gary Gibson type role and not be the full-time starter. Look for the Bucs to bring in competition for Miller.

By: 4everBucsFan

4everBucsFan — Mon, 04 Mar 2013 15:16:43 +0000

^^^^^^ …I’m guessing …maybe a 76 …..he’s definitely not above a 100 ……football IQ …probably the same.

By: Jonny 3.3

Jonny 3.3 — Mon, 04 Mar 2013 15:08:37 +0000

@flmike: I have more knowledge and understanding of defense in my pinky than you have in your brain. Enlighten what a Nose Tackle’s job is against the pass then. Being a complete non factor when being blocked 1 on 1? The good nose tackles often destroy their blocker with strength if they only have a single guy to beat. Aside from alignment that draws double teams naturally, teams focus on doubling NT more because of their ability to collapse the pocket easily with strength alone.

By: paul

paul — Mon, 04 Mar 2013 15:00:31 +0000

Lavonte David isn’t a 3-4 rush linebacker? He should’ve said something less obvious..

By: lightningbuc

lightningbuc — Mon, 04 Mar 2013 14:39:46 +0000

It’s guys like Polian that the term “rockstar GM” should be reserved for.

By: @MikeInTampa2

@MikeInTampa2 — Mon, 04 Mar 2013 14:01:02 +0000

Offer Miller up to 3.5 Million (which is a 400% pay raise). Franchise Mike Bennett. Draft 1 Inside or Outside pass rusher. We’d be in good shape. Get it done Rock Star

By: Red86

Red86 — Mon, 04 Mar 2013 13:56:53 +0000

Thanks Jonny 3.3… I was going to say something similar.

Beside Polian proved my point in the interview. I think Miller is a solid backup or rotational guy. Good with the run but not getting the job done on passing downs. Especially when he has one guy to beat. That lead to 3 men rush. I’m willing to bet if Miller was two third as good as GMC in pass rush, that we wouldn’t see a 3 men rush as often as we do.

Not all passes are 3 steps drops that was ran on us. The Eagles game during the clutch or crunch time, Foles had more than 5 seconds. Even ran it for a TD on the defense after going through 1…2..3…4 receivers.

We hear McCoy, Bennett, Bowers, Clayborne, and Teo getting to the qb. I honestly don’t remember hearing Miller name in the same sentence with qb this year or years past. It just not enough and it isn’t often.

quote 1
“The whole premise of a 4-3 defense essentially is that those (four guys) in [passing situations] can get to the passer. Hurry him, move him off his spot – you don’t have to sack him. You just have to hurry him, move him off his spot and rush the throw. Make the throw not 100 percent on target and you get yourself a win for the defense. If you can’t rush the passer, and by the way the hardest people to find in this game are pass rushers.”

quote2
“The whole thing works in (concert.)”

quote3
“But this game is the most COORDINATED and complicated game in the world.”

quote4
“It is a (coordinated effort) among the “four” rushers. It is a coordinated effort among the four or seven guys up front when they are playing the run. You have to fill the right gaps; you have to read the right keys. You have to do the right things. That doesn’t show up in stats.”

By: the_buc_realist

the_buc_realist — Mon, 04 Mar 2013 13:49:34 +0000

Polian was saying if you can’t get to the qb and he is making clean throws in 2.5 seconds. get your hands up. jump, and have the 4 d-line get a half circle to close all passing lanes. Qb’s playing texans made the adjustment to make quick throws, so JJ watt started tipping the passes. its about disruption, and the bucs d-line has none in the last 4 years

By: LUVMYBUCS

LUVMYBUCS — Mon, 04 Mar 2013 13:46:07 +0000

Yeah Roy has played two good years as shifted/slanted Nose tackle position. One with Coach Raheem, the other with Coach Schiano. And played both years at the position very well. But with very little pass rush, he shows no scheme diversity. And thats the problem here. So do we need 2 upgrade the position?…. YES!!!

By: Joe

Joe — Mon, 04 Mar 2013 13:45:41 +0000

Jonny:

Joe, as a fan of your work here I have to mention this to you, why do you keep asking these former GMs and scouts about Roy Miller of all people.

Joe thinks it is pretty obvious.

Joe is asked all the time about upgrading at tackle. Yet the Bucs do cartwheels when talking to Joe about Roy Miller. Shoot, even times Joe wonders if Miller is that good.

Is Joe getting conned? Are the fans (including Joe) missing something? What better way to find out than to ask respected NFL types who have no dog in the fight?

Joe doesn’t see the problem with this.

By: 4everBucsFan

4everBucsFan — Mon, 04 Mar 2013 13:45:01 +0000

I didn’t quite get Polians response to the pass rush vs. corners. You quoted to him what Ryan said about opposing QBs getting rid of the ball in less than 2.5 seconds and how our corners weren’t covering. But then Polian sort of agreed and then said it really comes down to a dominate pass rush. Which totally goes against Ryans observation. Was Polian speaking in general about the NFL without regards to last years Bucs? I believe it can be a breakdown in both lines of the defense that can raise an opposing QBs completion rate. Lack of a pass rush, or good pass rush terrible corner play.

I also agree with Polian that L.David is a perfect LB in a 43 defense but would probably struggle in a 34 defense. He’s just to small to be a 34 OLB.

By: flmike

flmike — Mon, 04 Mar 2013 13:34:13 +0000

@Jonny 3.3
Seriously, you obviously have no idea what the shifted/slanted NT’s job is then, please stop before you embarrass yourself any more.