Comments on: The First Of Many: 2013 Mock Draft

By: PRBucFan

PRBucFan — Fri, 04 Jan 2013 20:58:42 +0000

Johnathan Hankins= Stud

By: princespanky

princespanky — Fri, 04 Jan 2013 17:22:07 +0000

@Red86

You make great points. I like the idea of beefing up either line to be honest with you and signing a proven CB or two. If you look at guys not named Jenkins from last years draft the secondary is very difficult to develop quickly.

I am on the BPA train but would push for a stud DT to pair with GMC (no offense to Roy Miller but no QB is shaking when you put a hand in the dirt). That or one of the Tackles like Jake Matthews who are already very good all around players.

By: Red86

Red86 — Fri, 04 Jan 2013 16:10:22 +0000

Coverage sack happen less often than a sack from the front 7 around the league. Having the best Corners mean little if the qb have time to throw the ball. And have the best Cbs depth is going to improve the pass defense on it’s on. Philly can give me an “Amen” off this fact. Heck even Revis looked like a fool when he smack to Moss when Moss was a Patriot. Brady had time and Moss embrass those loud mouth Jets. Pressure make the whole defense better. Part of the reason we safety blitz so much is because of the MIller, Gibson, and other DT not name McCoy can’t shed one blocker on a consistent basis through the whole year. Doing thing like stunts on obivious passing down is evident of the lack of consistent pressure from d lineman with a single blocker. McCoy did the best through out the year with double team. Blitzing our secondary makes the whole secondary vulnerable to big pass plays. The Front 4 need to be fix so the secondary can do their job. I mean look at how the Tampa Two worked. We had a great front 4 that got pressure on QB with little to no blitzing at all. The result is more picks because the secondary had their spots and didn’t have to worry about the qb hold the ball for long.

There is nothing wrong with depth. Osi and possible other DE in the FA not name Bennett has done more than him. Not saying not sign Bennett back but what wrong with upgrading? What wrong with having a rotatation to keep them fresh?

There is going to be plenty of option to fix the cb and safety spot in the FA.. Like Grime or Chris Gamble. It’s just better to invest in proven talent at CBs then invest into our first round pick into a DT that have a greater impact on the defense. The 2-4 can be used on the secondary.

By: Fatmosh

Fatmosh — Fri, 04 Jan 2013 13:26:46 +0000

@Red86 You’ve never heard of a coverage sack?

My point is, I think we have C/B defensive line right now, which is young and has LOTS of potential. Any DE we get is going to mean some combination of Bennett/Bowers/Clayborn is riding the pine.

We have D/F corners right now. Any new corner we get is just going to push the no-upside late-round draft picks and UFAs to the bench, where they should be.

CBs should be our #1 priority, by a landslide.

By: Red86

Red86 — Fri, 04 Jan 2013 03:26:48 +0000

Don’t believe me look up Morris Claiborne. LSU has a solid d line as of late. They put a lots of pressure on the qb. Many was hypes up about Claiborne, but I’ve been warning folks about how bad his tackling was and many of his big play happen with the d line or front 7 getting pressure on the QB. The guy appears afraid of being physical and you can see it in how he get block by wrs and not shed the block. He was an average or slightly above average CB in a good system at LSU.

By: Red86

Red86 — Fri, 04 Jan 2013 03:03:21 +0000

@PR:
If I was the GM, I would be willing to trade like Atlanta did for Jones. 1-3 that year and a 3 next. Maybe put a player or two in that trade. Clowney reminds of a young Simeon Rice. That would cover for Osi being older. The thought of Osi in Red is very beneficial. I’m sure he can teach other linemans what he learn from Strahan. But, not going to get my hope too high though.

@Fatmosh:
Pass rush and Secondary play goes hand and hand. Each one affect each other. I seen and heard many time that a good pass rush can make avg corners look good. Not once have I seen or heard that the Secondary makes the pass rush better. Beside my veiw about draft 2-4 is spend on the secondary that depend or FA that sign with the Bucs. Chris Gamble may be cut because the Panthers are over the cap. Grimes has an expire contract with the Falcons having little room as well. New Orleans is in Cap trouble as well. So, anything can happen.

Biggers is ok. Though Gaitor and Johnson have high potential. Those two need more playing time. Gaitor seem more ready than Johnson IMO. Johnson need to work on footwork and turning his head.

By: Fatmosh

Fatmosh — Fri, 04 Jan 2013 01:32:53 +0000

Man, you guys are crazy if you don’t have corners and only corners on the mind. MAYBE if we don’t re-sign Bennett.

But even then we have the decent-at-worst combo of Clayborn and Bowers.

Who do we have at CB? Biggers will be our #1 CB. BIGGERS.

And, a LB??? Pop quiz: who gets more snaps, the starting SLB or the slot corner? Look it up. We need three quality corners before we need to be worrying about any other position on defense.

It’s a passing league, until we can defend that we’re toast.

By: PRBucFan

PRBucFan — Fri, 04 Jan 2013 00:01:46 +0000

Whoever ends up with the first pick overall, I doubt they would take any offers at all for clowney.

By: PRBucFan

PRBucFan — Thu, 03 Jan 2013 23:59:32 +0000

Johnathan Hawkins #2 DT behind Star from OSU

Beast of a DT that would demand and double along with GMC. There’s no doubt he’ll be available. Most mocks have the Panties taking him after our pick.

By: Red86

Red86 — Thu, 03 Jan 2013 23:24:31 +0000

Our main pass rush problem is the guy next to McCoy on 4 down set. Seem no one could get off single blocker to put pessure on QB. We should get another DT that demand a double block like McCoy. This can be very hard to gameplan for when two D Line getting the double block treatment. The Linebackers would have a feild day with tackles on run plays. The two DTs could cause team to leave an extra blocker on passing plays, which is less the DBs have to cover. Our blitzing can improve a lot. And the proper way to built a D Line is starting inside to the outside. DTs are suppose to crash the pocket causing the QB to go toward the outside where the DEs or try to scramble. Two good DTs make the DEs look better. Think Jared Allen like production when he broke the sack record. He had a very tough middle that year. Just saying DE in the first isn’t going to help much. We have a decent DEs depth. Plus, I would try to upgrade with Osi at DE vs. Bennett. Osi Has 33.5 sacks the past four years. Bennett in his 4 year career has just 15 sacks. If we get Osi and Bennett decide to walk, then I’m done to selling the whole franhise just to get Clowney.

By: Bucs55

Bucs55 — Thu, 03 Jan 2013 22:29:03 +0000

Dion Jordan should be the pick with the 13 pick this guy has the size speed to be a break out year from his rookie year he reminds me a lot of smith from the 49ers

By: MadMax

MadMax — Thu, 03 Jan 2013 22:11:18 +0000

If Mingo is there, def a must. He got sick in that game against clemson and missed the 4th qtr. Others were going down too. But if Mingo had stayed in, clemson would not have come back to win.

I’ll tell you what though, if Tajh Boyd decides to come out, he would be a nice QB in the 3rd if he made it that far.