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	<title>Comments on: The Peaks And Valleys Of Josh Freeman</title>
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		<title>By: SteveK</title>
		<link>http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=81244&#038;cpage=2#comment-2584480</link>
		<dc:creator>SteveK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2013 16:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ Andrew1,

Freeman can&#039;t make a 5 yard dump off in the flats consistently. He has next year to earn his keep.

You hear that Raphael? Freeman needs to step up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Andrew1,</p>
<p>Freeman can&#8217;t make a 5 yard dump off in the flats consistently. He has next year to earn his keep.</p>
<p>You hear that Raphael? Freeman needs to step up.</p>
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		<title>By: Ramdog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ramdog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2013 16:08:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Freeman may or may not be the solution in Tampa only time will tell. I like Josh and see his potential and talent but other people had potential and talent and never amounted to anything as QB&#039;s. I think Josh can be great but I also think he can downright suck. That inconsistency kills. The important thing is not what we think but what Schiano and Dominik think and bottom line is I think they think Josh can do it in the right situation. However, I would be shocked if they didn&#039;t draft a viable QB as competition for Josh. If he rises to the occasion they have their good QB, if not they replace him and move on.

Anyhow here are the conditions for Josh to succeed:
1. Good run game - did you notice that whenever our run game was good we won we they stopped it we lost almost without fail.
 
2. Good pass protection. I agree and so do the experts Freeman panics under pressure the easiest way to solve it is make sure he doesn&#039;t get pressure.

3. Cut down on turnovers. Schiano is big on this and rightfully so. I like that he emphasizes this as this is a crucial to football. I think that is what caused him to question Freeman is the rash of turnovers in last 3 games. If you notice the moment he started turning the ball over consistently he started to question him. 

4. Improvement on defense. Come one folks you have to have a defense that can hold its own unless you have an Elite QB. There are only a few of those out there Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees. I think even the Josh supporters will agree he is not Elite but can be good enough to win a Superbowl(s). 

That said I think both Coach and GM were unhappy with his performance down the stretch and will draft a QB in the late 3rd or 4th round since we will have hopefully filled needs at corner and defensive line. Someone who has good decision making and can handle pressure situations. Also someone who can read defenses. Perhaps Tyler Wilson, Ryan Nassib and possibly a few others we don&#039;t even know about.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Freeman may or may not be the solution in Tampa only time will tell. I like Josh and see his potential and talent but other people had potential and talent and never amounted to anything as QB&#8217;s. I think Josh can be great but I also think he can downright suck. That inconsistency kills. The important thing is not what we think but what Schiano and Dominik think and bottom line is I think they think Josh can do it in the right situation. However, I would be shocked if they didn&#8217;t draft a viable QB as competition for Josh. If he rises to the occasion they have their good QB, if not they replace him and move on.</p>
<p>Anyhow here are the conditions for Josh to succeed:<br />
1. Good run game &#8211; did you notice that whenever our run game was good we won we they stopped it we lost almost without fail.</p>
<p>2. Good pass protection. I agree and so do the experts Freeman panics under pressure the easiest way to solve it is make sure he doesn&#8217;t get pressure.</p>
<p>3. Cut down on turnovers. Schiano is big on this and rightfully so. I like that he emphasizes this as this is a crucial to football. I think that is what caused him to question Freeman is the rash of turnovers in last 3 games. If you notice the moment he started turning the ball over consistently he started to question him. </p>
<p>4. Improvement on defense. Come one folks you have to have a defense that can hold its own unless you have an Elite QB. There are only a few of those out there Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees. I think even the Josh supporters will agree he is not Elite but can be good enough to win a Superbowl(s). </p>
<p>That said I think both Coach and GM were unhappy with his performance down the stretch and will draft a QB in the late 3rd or 4th round since we will have hopefully filled needs at corner and defensive line. Someone who has good decision making and can handle pressure situations. Also someone who can read defenses. Perhaps Tyler Wilson, Ryan Nassib and possibly a few others we don&#8217;t even know about.</p>
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		<title>By: Architek</title>
		<link>http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=81244&#038;cpage=2#comment-2582230</link>
		<dc:creator>Architek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2013 11:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@andrew,
I am the hardest Freeman critic and personally if you know my pattern, I have lambasted Freeman since week 1 because I saw it. I was literally at the game talking and complaining to my buddy about how terrible Freeman looks, even in a win.

Don&#039;t try to scold me for saying the defense pressed and vice versa. That&#039;s team sports 101. That&#039;s life period. Hurt your back and your abs will try to compensate and likewise the other way. You have a problem and its not fandom related. Your simply out of your league. I&#039;d suggest you find another forum to cry, I&#039;m sure Dallas Cowboys have openings for failures. Go figure that one out if you get it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@andrew,<br />
I am the hardest Freeman critic and personally if you know my pattern, I have lambasted Freeman since week 1 because I saw it. I was literally at the game talking and complaining to my buddy about how terrible Freeman looks, even in a win.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t try to scold me for saying the defense pressed and vice versa. That&#8217;s team sports 101. That&#8217;s life period. Hurt your back and your abs will try to compensate and likewise the other way. You have a problem and its not fandom related. Your simply out of your league. I&#8217;d suggest you find another forum to cry, I&#8217;m sure Dallas Cowboys have openings for failures. Go figure that one out if you get it.</p>
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		<title>By: PRBucFan</title>
		<link>http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=81244&#038;cpage=2#comment-2582187</link>
		<dc:creator>PRBucFan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2013 10:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;9th ranked offense, 30th ranked defense&quot;

Oh right, 
doesn&#039;t change a fuking thing I said. 

Lol Now I&#039;m out of this thread for good. 

Bahahaha.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;9th ranked offense, 30th ranked defense&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh right,<br />
doesn&#8217;t change a fuking thing I said. </p>
<p>Lol Now I&#8217;m out of this thread for good. </p>
<p>Bahahaha.</p>
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		<title>By: PRBucFan</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2013 10:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Awww did I hit a nerve :(

What no more excuses??? So now your going on and on with unintelligible  babbling...

When
NO ONE SAID THE DEFENSE WASN&#039;T BAD &amp;
NO ONE SAID HE WASN&#039;T OUR QB

That&#039;s our defense if your going to bitch so hard about it go root for the Steelers, the SeaHawks, or the Ravena with some &quot;Elite&quot; defense. ;)

You see missy I never said anything about an elite QB now did I?
But it&#039;s ok,
Would you like a tissue?

AGAIN You see if you weren&#039;t so incompetent you wouldn&#039;t of blabbed on about crap I never said and you would have been able to understand this the first time I wrote it. I know it makes you oh so frustrated and its the root of your tantrum but... ITS NOT DEBATABLE 

&quot;In the end Free Free is liable for Free Free’s play and it doesn’t matter who else anyone(YOU) blames. That’s just the way the cookie crumbles.

The terrible CB’s will change if they can’t improve
The QB will change if he can’t improve&quot;

End of Story,

But you gave me a good laugh, I wont waste more time coming back to this thread again lolol

Try not to cry too much]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awww did I hit a nerve <img src='http://www.joebucsfan.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>What no more excuses??? So now your going on and on with unintelligible  babbling&#8230;</p>
<p>When<br />
NO ONE SAID THE DEFENSE WASN&#8217;T BAD &amp;<br />
NO ONE SAID HE WASN&#8217;T OUR QB</p>
<p>That&#8217;s our defense if your going to bitch so hard about it go root for the Steelers, the SeaHawks, or the Ravena with some &#8220;Elite&#8221; defense. <img src='http://www.joebucsfan.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>You see missy I never said anything about an elite QB now did I?<br />
But it&#8217;s ok,<br />
Would you like a tissue?</p>
<p>AGAIN You see if you weren&#8217;t so incompetent you wouldn&#8217;t of blabbed on about crap I never said and you would have been able to understand this the first time I wrote it. I know it makes you oh so frustrated and its the root of your tantrum but&#8230; ITS NOT DEBATABLE </p>
<p>&#8220;In the end Free Free is liable for Free Free’s play and it doesn’t matter who else anyone(YOU) blames. That’s just the way the cookie crumbles.</p>
<p>The terrible CB’s will change if they can’t improve<br />
The QB will change if he can’t improve&#8221;</p>
<p>End of Story,</p>
<p>But you gave me a good laugh, I wont waste more time coming back to this thread again lolol</p>
<p>Try not to cry too much</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew 1</title>
		<link>http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=81244&#038;cpage=2#comment-2581587</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew 1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2013 08:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ PR

9th ranked offense, 30th ranked defense... I rest my case. but dont let facts get in the way of your so called competence. just keep whining like a little bich about something you have no control of. He is our QB, get with it, or go root for the pats if you want an elite QB so bad.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ PR</p>
<p>9th ranked offense, 30th ranked defense&#8230; I rest my case. but dont let facts get in the way of your so called competence. just keep whining like a little bich about something you have no control of. He is our QB, get with it, or go root for the pats if you want an elite QB so bad.</p>
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		<title>By: PRBucFan</title>
		<link>http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=81244&#038;cpage=2#comment-2581359</link>
		<dc:creator>PRBucFan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2013 07:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Really???

Bahahahahahaha!!! The choir of the man-child apologists that have come up with literally every excuse in the book as to why Freeman performs poorly and get pissy when they get called on it, dare have the audacity to even squeak when someone tries to come up with other reasons why the D might be performing poorly?

That is what i believe they call being a hypocrite.

Don&#039;t sit there and get on someone about excuses when literally the only thing Free Free apologists do is live and breath off of coming up with excuses as to why everyone else but Freeman is at fault for what Freeman does. What a joke...

P.S. As far as we are all concerned there is no &quot;degree&quot; for posting on a thread so please don&#039;t act as if anyone is more qualified than the other when in fact all we are all doing is giving our unprofessional input.

Oh and there were PLENTY of times where when the defense was on and was playing well that the offense sucked balls. There were PLENTY of times the offense failed the defense. Seemed as if every time they rewarded the offense with the ball they would fail to get them any points during those last 6 weeks of football. People talk about losses being directly on the defense during those games where teams won on last second drives but truth is, if the offense were able to close out the games on their last possession the defense wouldn&#039;t have ever even been in the position to lose the game in the first place. Food for thought

In the end Free Free is liable for Free Free&#039;s play and it doesn&#039;t matter who else anyone blames. That&#039;s just the way the cookie crumbles.

The terrible CB&#039;s will change if they can&#039;t improve
The QB will change if he can&#039;t improve]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really???</p>
<p>Bahahahahahaha!!! The choir of the man-child apologists that have come up with literally every excuse in the book as to why Freeman performs poorly and get pissy when they get called on it, dare have the audacity to even squeak when someone tries to come up with other reasons why the D might be performing poorly?</p>
<p>That is what i believe they call being a hypocrite.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t sit there and get on someone about excuses when literally the only thing Free Free apologists do is live and breath off of coming up with excuses as to why everyone else but Freeman is at fault for what Freeman does. What a joke&#8230;</p>
<p>P.S. As far as we are all concerned there is no &#8220;degree&#8221; for posting on a thread so please don&#8217;t act as if anyone is more qualified than the other when in fact all we are all doing is giving our unprofessional input.</p>
<p>Oh and there were PLENTY of times where when the defense was on and was playing well that the offense sucked balls. There were PLENTY of times the offense failed the defense. Seemed as if every time they rewarded the offense with the ball they would fail to get them any points during those last 6 weeks of football. People talk about losses being directly on the defense during those games where teams won on last second drives but truth is, if the offense were able to close out the games on their last possession the defense wouldn&#8217;t have ever even been in the position to lose the game in the first place. Food for thought</p>
<p>In the end Free Free is liable for Free Free&#8217;s play and it doesn&#8217;t matter who else anyone blames. That&#8217;s just the way the cookie crumbles.</p>
<p>The terrible CB&#8217;s will change if they can&#8217;t improve<br />
The QB will change if he can&#8217;t improve</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew 1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew 1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2013 06:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[some of you people just talk out of your a$s and then expect us to take your word for it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>some of you people just talk out of your a$s and then expect us to take your word for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew 1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew 1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2013 06:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ Architek

give me a break. that sounds like one big elaborate excuse saying the defense is pressing because they are worried about the offense. all you people dont want to hear any excuse about freeman, and now your trying to give an excuse for one of the worst defenses we have ever had. If anything its the other way around. the offense was pressing because they knew the defense couldn&#039;t stop anyone. the d was to worried about getting their ass kicked to even have time to think about the other side of the ball. a football team runs like it has 2 teams, team offense and team defense. our offense outplayed our defense throught the whole year. LMFAO. I mean our offense was ranked 9th in the league and our defense was ranked 30th for christ sakes. you gotta be fuking kidding me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Architek</p>
<p>give me a break. that sounds like one big elaborate excuse saying the defense is pressing because they are worried about the offense. all you people dont want to hear any excuse about freeman, and now your trying to give an excuse for one of the worst defenses we have ever had. If anything its the other way around. the offense was pressing because they knew the defense couldn&#8217;t stop anyone. the d was to worried about getting their ass kicked to even have time to think about the other side of the ball. a football team runs like it has 2 teams, team offense and team defense. our offense outplayed our defense throught the whole year. LMFAO. I mean our offense was ranked 9th in the league and our defense was ranked 30th for christ sakes. you gotta be fuking kidding me.</p>
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		<title>By: cspann</title>
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		<dc:creator>cspann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2013 06:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wouldnt mind mallet at all. I would be happy if we could get him and maybe trade for kirk cousins. Will they be elite, i dont know but I think both are more accurate than freeman]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldnt mind mallet at all. I would be happy if we could get him and maybe trade for kirk cousins. Will they be elite, i dont know but I think both are more accurate than freeman</p>
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		<title>By: Architek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Architek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2013 06:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Too many blown assignments to blame these guys preparation. Secondary was pressing. Sure they need to cover and be more effective with the blitz schemes but imagine the trusts a defense has when they can relax in their assignments knowing the QB will get them a lead or not demoralize their efforts when their not pressing to make plays.

Remember the old defenses, punt if you have to but don&#039;t back us into a short field consistently. Great defense creed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too many blown assignments to blame these guys preparation. Secondary was pressing. Sure they need to cover and be more effective with the blitz schemes but imagine the trusts a defense has when they can relax in their assignments knowing the QB will get them a lead or not demoralize their efforts when their not pressing to make plays.</p>
<p>Remember the old defenses, punt if you have to but don&#8217;t back us into a short field consistently. Great defense creed.</p>
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		<title>By: Architek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Architek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2013 06:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@PRBucfan
LOL yep because here the hidden substance of that argument that apologists missed during the losses.

Yes the pass defense was hideous but the bigger problem is when people press to make plays and feel inclined to step outside their assignment. That happens more frequent when you know the turnover is likely and the quarterback is struggling. 

Just like Freeman panicked to make plays so did the young secondary.

At the surface it looks like they stink they&#039;re unprepared but they&#039;re out of place because they&#039;re trying to make something happen. Yes young players do that but so does untrusting and desperate players. 

Consistent (not great) QB play = improved defensive play (with better CBs)

Ask Freeman to be better at the little things and watch the team respond to the consistent performance and trust will build. Until then we will struggle.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@PRBucfan<br />
LOL yep because here the hidden substance of that argument that apologists missed during the losses.</p>
<p>Yes the pass defense was hideous but the bigger problem is when people press to make plays and feel inclined to step outside their assignment. That happens more frequent when you know the turnover is likely and the quarterback is struggling. </p>
<p>Just like Freeman panicked to make plays so did the young secondary.</p>
<p>At the surface it looks like they stink they&#8217;re unprepared but they&#8217;re out of place because they&#8217;re trying to make something happen. Yes young players do that but so does untrusting and desperate players. </p>
<p>Consistent (not great) QB play = improved defensive play (with better CBs)</p>
<p>Ask Freeman to be better at the little things and watch the team respond to the consistent performance and trust will build. Until then we will struggle.</p>
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