Comments on: Josh Freeman Is Here To Stay

By: PRBucFan

PRBucFan — Fri, 14 Dec 2012 18:50:52 +0000

Stats for poops and giggles:
His 43.8 percent completion rate (32-of-73) in December is unacceptable.
ESPECIALLY in December.
“Freeman’s biggest issue is accuracy. His 54.7 completion percentage ranks 34th in the NFL, though he is sixth in touchdown passes (25) and seventh in yards per attempt (7.6).”

The latter doesn’t excuse the former.

By: PRBucFan

PRBucFan — Fri, 14 Dec 2012 18:40:26 +0000

Hawaiian unfortunately for you the sad truth is this game is measured off of wins and losses and ultimately SB’s … however unfair it seems. Free puts up another LOSING season and his arse is in the hot seat. No disputing that. He could still win out. If so good.
- As far as his completion percentage, you’ve got to he joking right? Are we watching the same games? He is missing ALL types of passes and his completion % would actually be MUCH higher if he hit on the short and intermediate routes. Deep throws aren’t the issue. There are plenty of QB’s in this league that aren’t in dink and dunk offenses that have FAR better %’s.

By: Bucamania

Bucamania — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 22:46:07 +0000

Freeman is not going anywhere, nor should he. His numbers this year will be better than 2/3 of the league’s starting QBs and he’ll only get better with another year in the system. Where’s that Deadspin article calling for Eli’s head after year 4? Yes his inconsistent play is maddening but the kid is a gamer who plays better when it counts. That’s not easy to find.

By: flmike

flmike — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 14:06:45 +0000

@RustyRhIno
Two names: Young & Williams
Thats why Freeman will get a long-term deal, you don’t give up on a young guy who puts up the kind of numbers Freeman does when he has a talented supporting cast around him. You are also not looking at the whole picture, in evaluating Freeman you have to take into account who and what he had to work with, as far as coaches go, he basically had what amounts to a high school coaching staff for 3 years, Raheem and Olsen are both schmucks, Olsen who is now working for the Jags ruining two more serviceable QBs in Gabbert and Henne, and Raheem is now relegated to coaching the 3rd worst secondary in the league. Freeman has shown when he has talent around him (a decent O-line, and a serviceable RB,TE,WR corps) he puts up the numbers, it’s not Freeman’s fault the d collapses and gives up late leads. Freeman will be here for a long time.

By: RustyRhino

RustyRhino — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 13:12:43 +0000

It really won’t matter what we “fans” think. If Freeman keeps throwing over, under, behind, to far out in front, or right at the db(where he has gotten very lucky this season not to have plenty more INT’s) he will be as his name says a Freeman. We can talk about this and that & how good a runner he is ( when has he ran like he did in 2010) I think he needs to have the same QB coach & a OC who has some idea how to improve his short/medium/long errant passes that happen 4-5 times or more a game. We will be looking to draft another “franchise” QB sooner rather than later. I like freeman, but this is year # 4 in his first 5 year contract. Who wants to sign him as is with no more improvement to another 5 year 50+ million contract?
If it is all about 5 then #5 needs to show improvement. Hitting receivers in stride not opponents DB who thankfully have not caught those gifts. Time will tell, but at year 4 of his first contract time is running out.

By: Hawaiian Buc

Hawaiian Buc — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 08:43:34 +0000

“But what’s his win loss? And not that stats really matter but what’s his completion percentage ?”

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Football is the ultimate team game. It is completely unfair to judge one player by wins and losses, because if they don’t have the players around them, not even the greatest can win. I still laugh at the people that say Freeman only has numbers because of the weapons he has. What a joke! Every single great QB in the history of the NFL has had weapons. Joe Montana wasn’t throwing to Michael Clayton was he? Marino, Manning, Elway, Favre, Bradshaw, etc. all had weapons. If anyone hear really believes that Freeman’s weapons are that much better than the rest of the league, I suggest you lay off the Aderall.

As for his completion percentage, I still don’t get how this concept is difficult for people to get. Who had a higher shooting % – Shaquille O’Neal or Ray Allen? Anybody here want to take Shaq in a shooting competion with Ray Allen? Freeman throws the ball down the field all game long. There’s no dinking and dunking in this offense. When you throw the ball down the field more, your percentage is going to be less. I can draw a diagram for you if you are still confused.

By: kh

kh — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 03:33:33 +0000

Aaron Murray is Greg McElroy, serviceable backup but nothing more. Haven’t seen any indication he’s going to be a good one, just look at his stats when he plays against top teams.

By: SilenceTheCritics

SilenceTheCritics — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 03:17:03 +0000

I do think Aaron Murray has a ton of potential. Maybe the most out of this class if he chooses to come out. He would be my first choice of QB if I had to take someone in this class. But like Kh said I wouldnt unload Free for any of them.

By: SilenceTheCritics

SilenceTheCritics — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 03:08:56 +0000

Smith maybeee, but I wouldnt dump Free for him. And I would stay far far far away from Barkley. He is going to be the next bust from USC.

By: kh

kh — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 03:04:32 +0000

^ delusional moron

“Elite” QBs who have had awful games this year (many of them multiple times)
Drew Brees
Eli Manning
Matt Schaub
Joe Flacco

To name just a few off the top of my head, Houston and Baltimore aren’t even sold on Schaub and Flacco being elite. Would Baltimore have fired their OC if they did? Doubtful, they’re asking the same questions the Bucs are about Freeman, it’s just the surrounding cast (particularly on defense) that is so much better to compensate for Flacco.

Kid is 24 and far better then Matt f’n Barkley (or for that matter Murray, Geno, Bray, etc.) will ever dream of being.

By: Miguel El Magnifico

Miguel El Magnifico — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 02:38:23 +0000

George Steinbrenner, “Billy Martin is here to stay, he’s not going anywhere, he’s a Yankee for life!”

Buc’s official spokesman, ” Josh Freeman is here to stay, he not going anywhere, he’s a Buc for life!”

Imagine Freeman as a starting pitcher for the Rays, he would been benched by the 2nd inning. After whining about his defense, offense, umpires and the strike zone, Madden would put him on a bus to Durham.

Trade him to KC or NYJ, get a top draft choice while he still has value. No way you pay him the $8.3 million for next year.

Draft Geno or Barkely and hire Norv Turner.

Draft some top rate CB’s. Sign a top rate CB in FA.

Wait for Colt Lyerla, freshman TE from Oregon before you draft a TE.

Proceed to Super Bowl.

By: SilenceTheCritics

SilenceTheCritics — Thu, 13 Dec 2012 01:58:04 +0000

I agree and i wasn’t hanging all the losses on him. I’m just making a point that at no time yet has he made it clear he is the future. I’m hoping he lights it up next year. I by no means hate Free, I think he has an outstanding work ethic.. but as of right now he’s not played yet to his potential. I will say that signing a FA that will come in here and push him (not necessarily take his spot) would be great for him. Orlovsky, is a good vet back up but theres no way he has the talent to challenge Free to start, not even a little.