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	<title>Comments on: Josh Freeman And The Pass Rush</title>
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		<title>By: feelthepewterpower</title>
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		<dc:creator>feelthepewterpower</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2012 22:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Joe, sacks aren&#039;t the only determining factor. There are knocked down balls, pressures, hurries, etc. Freeman was under pressure most of the day. The interception for a td wasn&#039;t a sack, but Josh was getting hit as he got rid of the football!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe, sacks aren&#8217;t the only determining factor. There are knocked down balls, pressures, hurries, etc. Freeman was under pressure most of the day. The interception for a td wasn&#8217;t a sack, but Josh was getting hit as he got rid of the football!!</p>
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		<title>By: McBuc</title>
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		<dc:creator>McBuc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2012 14:40:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mark, one more thng...really, Freeman is no more than a bnack up?  There are probably 22 teams that would take him in a heart beat.  Thank god you are not the Bucs GM.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, one more thng&#8230;really, Freeman is no more than a bnack up?  There are probably 22 teams that would take him in a heart beat.  Thank god you are not the Bucs GM.</p>
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		<title>By: McBuc</title>
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		<dc:creator>McBuc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2012 14:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mark, really, he makes apparent bad decisions every week?  All the pros say he is making good decisions, and his stats would indicate pretty sound decisions as well.  Also, how many &quot;elite&quot; quarter backs do you believe are out there?  I would say a hand full, and each and every one of them makes their share of mistakes.  It is funny, the :elite&quot; status comes from winning in a team sport.  Look at how many future &quot;elite&quot; QBs never live up to that expectation, because the typically are drafted by teams with losing records.  Once in a lifetime you end up finding Tom Brady in the 6th round.  Once is a lifetime you are able to draft Rodgers and let him sit behind Favre for a few years, and once in a lifetime you are able to acquire Breeze from a team that probably is still kicking themselves.  Ryan is looking like the real deal, but he needs to win a playoff game this year.  Freeman is having an outstanding year, especially since he has had so many coaching and player changes around him.  I have been a Bucs fan my entire life, and I started watching in the 70&#039;s as a kid, and Freeman is the best most exciting QB in Bucs history…and yes that includes Williams.  Look up his stats and compare them, and you will think the same thing.  Johnson is the man because the Bucs only needed 17 points to win a game back then…and he has a ring with Tampa, due the great defense.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, really, he makes apparent bad decisions every week?  All the pros say he is making good decisions, and his stats would indicate pretty sound decisions as well.  Also, how many &#8220;elite&#8221; quarter backs do you believe are out there?  I would say a hand full, and each and every one of them makes their share of mistakes.  It is funny, the :elite&#8221; status comes from winning in a team sport.  Look at how many future &#8220;elite&#8221; QBs never live up to that expectation, because the typically are drafted by teams with losing records.  Once in a lifetime you end up finding Tom Brady in the 6th round.  Once is a lifetime you are able to draft Rodgers and let him sit behind Favre for a few years, and once in a lifetime you are able to acquire Breeze from a team that probably is still kicking themselves.  Ryan is looking like the real deal, but he needs to win a playoff game this year.  Freeman is having an outstanding year, especially since he has had so many coaching and player changes around him.  I have been a Bucs fan my entire life, and I started watching in the 70&#8242;s as a kid, and Freeman is the best most exciting QB in Bucs history…and yes that includes Williams.  Look up his stats and compare them, and you will think the same thing.  Johnson is the man because the Bucs only needed 17 points to win a game back then…and he has a ring with Tampa, due the great defense.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=79225&#038;cpage=1#comment-2365238</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2012 12:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Josh Freeman has been riding a roller coaster of quality performances for four years. How long do we give him to become an &quot; elite QG&quot;?

I go to every Bucs game and as I watch and compare the real &quot; elite QB&#039;s&quot; week after week and year after year to Josh Freeman I say that he will NOT become an &quot;elite QB&quot;. No amount of wishing and hoping will make it so either. 

Half of Freeman&#039;s passes look like wounded ducks. He doesn&#039;t scramble out of the pocket as he did in years 1and 2 either. Every week he makes terrible decisions that are so apparent. Maybe the media justs WANTS Josh to be &quot;elite so bad because.........IMHO Josh Freeman is a backup QB TO an &quot;elite QB&quot; and nothing more. It&#039;s getting close to time to admit this and go forward.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh Freeman has been riding a roller coaster of quality performances for four years. How long do we give him to become an &#8221; elite QG&#8221;?</p>
<p>I go to every Bucs game and as I watch and compare the real &#8221; elite QB&#8217;s&#8221; week after week and year after year to Josh Freeman I say that he will NOT become an &#8220;elite QB&#8221;. No amount of wishing and hoping will make it so either. </p>
<p>Half of Freeman&#8217;s passes look like wounded ducks. He doesn&#8217;t scramble out of the pocket as he did in years 1and 2 either. Every week he makes terrible decisions that are so apparent. Maybe the media justs WANTS Josh to be &#8220;elite so bad because&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;IMHO Josh Freeman is a backup QB TO an &#8220;elite QB&#8221; and nothing more. It&#8217;s getting close to time to admit this and go forward.</p>
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		<title>By: tim</title>
		<link>http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=79225&#038;cpage=1#comment-2362630</link>
		<dc:creator>tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2012 04:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well i have no clue if Josh will be a Franchise QB. But i do know he shows flashes of being one at times. I think hes had a really good year. Yesterday wasn&#039;t a great day for him. But I&#039;m not gonna put that loss on him. We had no running game for the 2nd week in a row. Also we had quite a few penalties that kept us in 3rd and long and gave us bad field position.  Even though we gave up only one sack he was pressured quite a bit. I&#039;m starting to wonder if the injuries to the O-line are finally catching up to us. 

IMO if you wanna put blame on why we lost its gotta go to our pass defense. Our DBs cant cover anyone. And our D-line cant seem to break thur to get good consistent pressure on the QB. But either way its much more fun to watch this year. I hope we can get some new guys in on defense next year. If we can improve there a bit...And get all our guys healthy on offense I really think we might have a really good team for years to come. If you think back to our glory days we never had a Top Qb. I think Josh is the closest to a top QB we&#039;ve had. Ok my rambling thoughts are over lol.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well i have no clue if Josh will be a Franchise QB. But i do know he shows flashes of being one at times. I think hes had a really good year. Yesterday wasn&#8217;t a great day for him. But I&#8217;m not gonna put that loss on him. We had no running game for the 2nd week in a row. Also we had quite a few penalties that kept us in 3rd and long and gave us bad field position.  Even though we gave up only one sack he was pressured quite a bit. I&#8217;m starting to wonder if the injuries to the O-line are finally catching up to us. </p>
<p>IMO if you wanna put blame on why we lost its gotta go to our pass defense. Our DBs cant cover anyone. And our D-line cant seem to break thur to get good consistent pressure on the QB. But either way its much more fun to watch this year. I hope we can get some new guys in on defense next year. If we can improve there a bit&#8230;And get all our guys healthy on offense I really think we might have a really good team for years to come. If you think back to our glory days we never had a Top Qb. I think Josh is the closest to a top QB we&#8217;ve had. Ok my rambling thoughts are over lol.</p>
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		<title>By: ElioT</title>
		<link>http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=79225&#038;cpage=1#comment-2362018</link>
		<dc:creator>ElioT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2012 02:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It looked like Freeman had just as much time as any other offense against Denver. Seems like weve only got the deep ball and fail in the short to mid -range passing situations. Would love to see the O develop some short timing routes to beat the blitz and compliment the running game when necessary. 

This team is still learning sometimes hard lessons. 

I think the Bucs will come out strong and take it to the Eagles this week.

Go Bucs!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It looked like Freeman had just as much time as any other offense against Denver. Seems like weve only got the deep ball and fail in the short to mid -range passing situations. Would love to see the O develop some short timing routes to beat the blitz and compliment the running game when necessary. </p>
<p>This team is still learning sometimes hard lessons. </p>
<p>I think the Bucs will come out strong and take it to the Eagles this week.</p>
<p>Go Bucs!!!</p>
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		<title>By: TampaRob</title>
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		<dc:creator>TampaRob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2012 01:00:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OK folks, the offense isn&#039;t a problem.  Every QB misfires on a drive or 2 per game.  They already lead the NFC in scoring and are only scoring 1 point per game less than the Broncos facing mostly the same opponents.  Playcalling can always be better, and there&#039;s always room to improve, but come on!!! Get real!!  If this team had a defense they&#039;d be unstoppable.  But they don&#039;t, so they aren&#039;t.

They successfully kept the ball out of Manning&#039;s hands in the 1st half, and did a darn good job catching up when needed-- just one stop, or that pick-6 from victory (or a missed FG)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK folks, the offense isn&#8217;t a problem.  Every QB misfires on a drive or 2 per game.  They already lead the NFC in scoring and are only scoring 1 point per game less than the Broncos facing mostly the same opponents.  Playcalling can always be better, and there&#8217;s always room to improve, but come on!!! Get real!!  If this team had a defense they&#8217;d be unstoppable.  But they don&#8217;t, so they aren&#8217;t.</p>
<p>They successfully kept the ball out of Manning&#8217;s hands in the 1st half, and did a darn good job catching up when needed&#8211; just one stop, or that pick-6 from victory (or a missed FG)</p>
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		<title>By: SeanyMac in SC</title>
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		<dc:creator>SeanyMac in SC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2012 00:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maybe, just maybe, the OC is not putting Free in the best plays to be successful.  If you have an aggressive pass rush, then call screens and play actions or draws.  The launch point for the Bucs is very predictable as well.  Move the QB out of the pocket some times and let him use his feet.  I suspect the playbook will grow larger as QB, RB, WR, TE and OC get to know each others strength and weaknesses. I think some of the play calling is dictated by NSO, &quot;run the ball and take shots down field&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe, just maybe, the OC is not putting Free in the best plays to be successful.  If you have an aggressive pass rush, then call screens and play actions or draws.  The launch point for the Bucs is very predictable as well.  Move the QB out of the pocket some times and let him use his feet.  I suspect the playbook will grow larger as QB, RB, WR, TE and OC get to know each others strength and weaknesses. I think some of the play calling is dictated by NSO, &#8220;run the ball and take shots down field&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
		<link>http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=79225&#038;cpage=1#comment-2361352</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Dec 2012 00:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When you throw it 40 times you need to complete 30 of them to keep drives alive.  That&#039;s my biggest complaint too many times in the past 2 games we got turnovers, didn&#039;t get touchdowns.  Teams are forcing the Bucs to throw.  They just have to complete more of them.  Freeman has to develop a quicker release, learn to look off the defenses and get rid of the ball quicker.  When he does that he will keep more drives alive and put up tds instead of fgs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you throw it 40 times you need to complete 30 of them to keep drives alive.  That&#8217;s my biggest complaint too many times in the past 2 games we got turnovers, didn&#8217;t get touchdowns.  Teams are forcing the Bucs to throw.  They just have to complete more of them.  Freeman has to develop a quicker release, learn to look off the defenses and get rid of the ball quicker.  When he does that he will keep more drives alive and put up tds instead of fgs.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
		<link>http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=79225&#038;cpage=1#comment-2361154</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2012 23:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry Joe but you&#039;re just dead wrong on this one. First of all, yes Freeman didn&#039;t play very well in that third quarter, but our crappy offense wasn&#039;t all about him. On the first drive of the second half, Penn commits a holding penalty that completely deflates the drive. I can&#039;t remember the specifics of the second drive but I know the blame for it failing wasn&#039;t squarely on Freeman&#039;s shoulders. For example, on one play Martin had an opportunity to cut his run to the outside for big yards, but he didn&#039;t see it.

On one of the drives Freeman is sacked for a loss of 7 yards and I believe we kick a field goal in the end. Obviously there&#039;s the interception which was caused by Zuttah (I think) letting a DT free to rush at Freeman (not sure if Martin was suppose to pick the guy up).

The point is the 4-5 bad possessions in the second half were not all about Freeman. Was some of it? Absolutely. It&#039;s clear the pressure rattled him a bit, which maybe accounted for some balls thrown off the mark or too early.

But I&#039;ve watched even great quarterbacks get rattled by pressure.  I have no clue what games you&#039;re watching when you refer to Rodgers and Cutler. The bears offense is consistently miserable because Cutler is always under pressure. The difference is their defense keeps them in games so he can put together a drive or two late to win the game. Just last week I watched Aaron Rodgers not play very Rodgers like when faced with consistent pressure by the Giants D-line.

This is obviously a case of you judging your own quarterback under a more biased light than that which you use on QB&#039;s of other teams. We&#039;re all guilty of doing this, though.

And by the way, Freeman did adapt, eventually. He moved around/out of the pocket a lot more towards the end of the game. Obviously it was just a little too late, but I still love that he adapted within the game. I think from now on when the pressure is a little much we&#039;re going to see him shift modes to this more mobile QB earlier in the game. 

Lastly, I have to ask, do you re-watch the games before writing articles? You can tell a lot of the media doesn&#039;t, which make sense since they have to keep up with a lot of different teams. But I hope you do, since you&#039;re focus is squarely on the Bucs (as it should be). I always find the game looks a lot different the second time you&#039;re watching, since you can reexamine certain plays over and over without the emotions that overcome us during the game.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Joe but you&#8217;re just dead wrong on this one. First of all, yes Freeman didn&#8217;t play very well in that third quarter, but our crappy offense wasn&#8217;t all about him. On the first drive of the second half, Penn commits a holding penalty that completely deflates the drive. I can&#8217;t remember the specifics of the second drive but I know the blame for it failing wasn&#8217;t squarely on Freeman&#8217;s shoulders. For example, on one play Martin had an opportunity to cut his run to the outside for big yards, but he didn&#8217;t see it.</p>
<p>On one of the drives Freeman is sacked for a loss of 7 yards and I believe we kick a field goal in the end. Obviously there&#8217;s the interception which was caused by Zuttah (I think) letting a DT free to rush at Freeman (not sure if Martin was suppose to pick the guy up).</p>
<p>The point is the 4-5 bad possessions in the second half were not all about Freeman. Was some of it? Absolutely. It&#8217;s clear the pressure rattled him a bit, which maybe accounted for some balls thrown off the mark or too early.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;ve watched even great quarterbacks get rattled by pressure.  I have no clue what games you&#8217;re watching when you refer to Rodgers and Cutler. The bears offense is consistently miserable because Cutler is always under pressure. The difference is their defense keeps them in games so he can put together a drive or two late to win the game. Just last week I watched Aaron Rodgers not play very Rodgers like when faced with consistent pressure by the Giants D-line.</p>
<p>This is obviously a case of you judging your own quarterback under a more biased light than that which you use on QB&#8217;s of other teams. We&#8217;re all guilty of doing this, though.</p>
<p>And by the way, Freeman did adapt, eventually. He moved around/out of the pocket a lot more towards the end of the game. Obviously it was just a little too late, but I still love that he adapted within the game. I think from now on when the pressure is a little much we&#8217;re going to see him shift modes to this more mobile QB earlier in the game. </p>
<p>Lastly, I have to ask, do you re-watch the games before writing articles? You can tell a lot of the media doesn&#8217;t, which make sense since they have to keep up with a lot of different teams. But I hope you do, since you&#8217;re focus is squarely on the Bucs (as it should be). I always find the game looks a lot different the second time you&#8217;re watching, since you can reexamine certain plays over and over without the emotions that overcome us during the game.</p>
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		<title>By: BadNewsBucs</title>
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		<dc:creator>BadNewsBucs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2012 23:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Josh Freeman needs to learn to use his legs as a weapon, pretty sure that would broaden his skill set, as well as introducing a wrinkle opposing DCs will have to account for. Until that happens, I could careless if the media thinks he&#039;s &quot;elite&quot; or not.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh Freeman needs to learn to use his legs as a weapon, pretty sure that would broaden his skill set, as well as introducing a wrinkle opposing DCs will have to account for. Until that happens, I could careless if the media thinks he&#8217;s &#8220;elite&#8221; or not.</p>
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		<title>By: TampaRob</title>
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		<dc:creator>TampaRob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2012 22:56:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Freeman still has a lot of development coming.. he&#039;s not there yet-- but I&#039;m not worried.  When Les Steckel came in with his &quot;green zone&quot; and scored all those points there was still something missing.  This offense can be the first in Bucs history to really be special.  I&#039;m not worried.. as stated in an earlier comment, the Bucs lead the NFC in scoring and only trail the Broncos by less than 2 points per game.  Think about that.  Peyton Freakin&#039; Manning the exalted savior of any team he graces with his presence has only scored a bit more than 1 point per game more than the Bucs-- with 2 key OL on the IR and 1 playing out of position. 

Throw a DL in and get Claiborne back.. then add a CB and give David, Foster, and Barron another year to play together and this could be really special.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Freeman still has a lot of development coming.. he&#8217;s not there yet&#8211; but I&#8217;m not worried.  When Les Steckel came in with his &#8220;green zone&#8221; and scored all those points there was still something missing.  This offense can be the first in Bucs history to really be special.  I&#8217;m not worried.. as stated in an earlier comment, the Bucs lead the NFC in scoring and only trail the Broncos by less than 2 points per game.  Think about that.  Peyton Freakin&#8217; Manning the exalted savior of any team he graces with his presence has only scored a bit more than 1 point per game more than the Bucs&#8211; with 2 key OL on the IR and 1 playing out of position. </p>
<p>Throw a DL in and get Claiborne back.. then add a CB and give David, Foster, and Barron another year to play together and this could be really special.</p>
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