Comments on: “Gambling” Bucs Paying Price In Secondary

By: Legarrettes Blunt

Legarrettes Blunt — Tue, 13 Nov 2012 16:12:39 +0000

@SacBucs that was the stupidest post on this website of all year. Last year was the year people questioned Mason. He has improved his game so much from where he was last year. He is one of the most improved players on this team, finally looking comfortable. Last year Darren Sproles made me think Mason wasn’t a 3 down linebacker, but last year was last year. Lets give the players a clean slate. Besides Biggers, he doesn’t deserve one, we know he can’t cover anything

By: buccanay

buccanay — Tue, 13 Nov 2012 12:25:14 +0000

At least we’re not getting gashed by the run like the year prior. Much better chance of getting a win with a team unable to run. many more TO opportunities and chances for big plays ,as a sack/fumble when a team totally abandons the run. There is a method to the madness of the Bucs D. Yes, it it maddening sometimes, BUT I can see the reasoning, especially when you factor in the talent or lack of it, in the secondary.

By: Brandon

Brandon — Tue, 13 Nov 2012 00:30:53 +0000

Moore’s explanation doesn’t explain why on 3rd and 10+ the Bucs have been so terrible. On the 3rd and 11, 81 yard TD to Alexander I had just exclaimed, “Oh crap, 3rd and long, we’re terrible in these situations,” and then we gave up the big play. Between Sheridan bringing the house in those situations and rushing only three, the Bucs have been terrible. I actually prefer seeing 3rd and 4 over 3rd and 10+ at this point. It seems we are far better at defending the short pass than the deep ones. It seems when we get turnovers, it is when we finally show blitz and drop out of it, it is because the QB and WRs read blitz and zero coverage and we drop into cover 2 like when Black intercepted Carson Palmer last week. We need to do more of that instead of showing blitz and then blitzing or showing a 3 man rush and then only rushing 3. Deception is the name of the game and when we do that we are decent, but when we show our play pre-snap we tend to get scorched.

By: BamBamBuc

BamBamBuc — Mon, 12 Nov 2012 23:59:18 +0000

Stop with the “horrible pass D” talk already. Seriously, I could care less how many yards they give up, it’s points that matter. Overall, the team has allowed 209 points (16th in the NFL, Avg. is 208.8). We’ve allowed 16 passing TDs (21st in the NFL not 32nd) and have the 3rd MOST INts in the NFL. Factoring everything in, we’re about the 18th ranked pass D, and 11th overall D in the NFL.

Beyond that, the Giants last year won the Super Bowl as the 29th ranked pass D (in yards allowed), the 25th defense in points allowed, 27th in total yards allowed, and an offense that had the 8th most yards and 9th most points in the NFL. We’re actually ahead of them statistically in everything except passing yards allowed. The Saints were the 20th in points allowed, 25th in yards allowed, and 26th in pass yards allowed when they won.

Do you understand yet that it’s more about points than yards, but even then it also includes turnovers, and most importantly timing… The stars must align for the Bucs to win the Super Bowl, the Division, anything else…. Is this the year? I have no clue, and I’m glad I don’t, it makes the games so much more fun to watch when you don’t know the outcome before you see it.

By: KODA

KODA — Mon, 12 Nov 2012 21:18:44 +0000

I think our def philosophy has to be much the same as the Packers, when they won the super bowl n they SUCKED against the pass!!! One thing I see that is the same with both def. is that they force turnovers and while we have a great offense it is not where the packers were that year but we are not that far off an we have a much better running game then the pack did. The pack got more pressure from their front four Ala Clay Matthews but had to bring pressure with multiple blitz n got burned one on one. but got Ints eventually…. Guess we are going with the notion the more we make the qb pass the more likely he will be to make a mistake like Rivers like Palmer… even Eli did before he caught fireeee in the 4th….

By: McBuc

McBuc — Mon, 12 Nov 2012 20:58:17 +0000

SacBucs, really? You think Foster looks slower than last year? I disagree. He has been beat at times, but even the great 55 was beat here and there. Foster is having a pretty solid year, as are the rst of the LBers.

I think the issue right now with Tampa bay fans is we are not used to having a defense that is not very good, and we sure as hell are not used to having a high powered offense. It is funny, if the Saints or NE are on a three game winning streak, there fans are happy…when the Bucs are on one, people complain about the spotty pass defense. I am fine with out-scoring the other team. I want great defense too, but you cannot deny how fun this year’s games have been.

By: SacBucs

SacBucs — Mon, 12 Nov 2012 20:27:04 +0000

Joe It’s Mason he has been playing terrible since you started with that pineapple shhhh. In the raider game he looked to slow to stop the sweep by mcfadden. This game the sweep play got Foster again.

Why didnt our most experienced backer take over at the mike a year ago when we got Mason?..(Quincy Black) Why keep drafting lb’s and not give Dekoda a shot?

Last year shooda cooda wooda…but Quincy shooda play middle Geno shooda played his normal spot and Dekoda shooda played Sam. Raheem threw Mason in the fire with his sorry tampa 2.0. Foster probably don’t want to be in the middle. In college he was shifting back and forth. Im a film junky too..I agree with Dave!

It just dont look like 59 is sideline to sideline like last year.

By: Legarrettes Blunt

Legarrettes Blunt — Mon, 12 Nov 2012 18:08:44 +0000

@milos81 exactly. Too many times do we get burnt on 3rd and long, due to play calls I believe, or EJ Biggers inability to cover anyone. I bet Dexter Jackson could get open vs Biggers

By: Buc Fan #238

Buc Fan #238 — Mon, 12 Nov 2012 18:07:46 +0000

The Bucs are exciting. The games are exciting. Stop complaining.

Raheem’s defense was terrible in the pass… see the last 10 games.

The cover-2 got picked apart by good QBs if there was no pressure from the front 4.

The Bucs are fun to watch again. I have no worries.

By: milos81

milos81 — Mon, 12 Nov 2012 17:51:06 +0000

AqibSwafTalib -

Totally agree. Whenever I watch games with my brother, I always say, “Great, 3rd and 11 – the only down I really fear.”

I would wager that we are top three, if not numero uno, in the league in percentages of first downs given up on third and long. And that is profoundly disturbing (and likely as much, if not more, due to coaching and scheme as to the talent on the field).

By: Andrew

Andrew — Mon, 12 Nov 2012 17:35:57 +0000

its also a credit to Greg Schiano for sticking with this style of defense and not giving up on it even after seeing qb shred us week after week. its a good kind of stubbornness.

By: Andrew

Andrew — Mon, 12 Nov 2012 17:31:26 +0000

though this aggressive, in your face, stack the line, style of defense was driving me crazy at the beginning of the season, it has really kind of grown on me. if we can get these corners to play within these scheme effectively, we are going to have a damn good defense.