Comments on: Talib Departure Nearly Closes Book on 2008 Draft

By: Red86

Red86 — Sun, 04 Nov 2012 18:53:36 +0000

The other thing that made me mad about Gruden is his love for qbs. Didn’t we have about 10+ different starter within his time span as coach? It provide no stable developement for Sims or Gradkowski. As a whole he really sisn’t get younger guys a shot. Like Larry Brackin who won a championship as the leading receiver for the Philadelphia Soul in the AFL. That happened the same year he was cut. He had talent.

Personally I like that Dominic as the GM. My main gripe is how he didn’t added FA last year and drafted a punter that got cut before the season started. It’s should be illegal to draft a kicker or punter… Period!! My favorite moves is drafting Freeman and signing The big 4 Nick Jackson, Wright, and Eric LeGrand.

If Wright can’t get his act right, then he got to go also. I had mixed feeling about theTalib trade. I just wish we got a guard from the Pats with the 4th round pick. We should focus on giving newer and younger guys a shot like Johnson and Gaitor. Those two are pretty good for the time they are in the league. McDaniel seem like another Myron Lewis or worst IMO.

By: Mike J

Mike J — Sun, 04 Nov 2012 13:04:35 +0000

Adam L. , that is absolutely correct.

By: Hawaiian Buc

Hawaiian Buc — Sun, 04 Nov 2012 05:40:42 +0000

@Orlando,

Yep, I enjoy the discussion too! If we all agreed, it wouldn’t be very fun. I actually pretty much agree on most of what you said, I just think it’s too early to fairly judge him one way or the other. I do, however, think this regime is miles better in acquiring and developing talent versus the prior. I personally don’t care if Schiano drafted them or the janitor, as long as they turn out. I think we can all agree on that.

By: Orlando bucs fan

Orlando bucs fan — Sun, 04 Nov 2012 05:33:05 +0000

@hawaiian
First I agree coaching was definitely a major issue in the development of players. Secondly if freeman turns it around as he has been the last couple games and turns out to be a franchise player then that alone I think would have made that draft worth it. What makes me even more skeptical about Dominic is this recent draft as you stated we acquired what look like excellent players in Barron, Martin, David. If all three turn out truly to be all stars that’s a huge difference between Dominic first three drafts of getting about three to four in total. I have a feeling schiano is very much more involved than Raheem ever was.
Also I appreciate the discussion it’s good to know someone can discuss with facts and not get politics or rudeness involved.

And as always Go Bucs!!!!!

By: Oahubuc

Oahubuc — Sun, 04 Nov 2012 04:44:12 +0000

Probably why he talked Zuttah up in the last Monday Night game he called for us.

By: mike

mike — Sun, 04 Nov 2012 04:22:10 +0000

you r an idiot if u think talib was gruddens pick he was so pissed we we got him. almost as pissed as when we got adams . gruden wanted o weapons and didnt have much pull. joe and shawn king live in the same dream world

By: Bruce Allen

Bruce Allen — Sun, 04 Nov 2012 03:13:39 +0000

LMAO!!!!!

By: Adam L.

Adam L. — Sun, 04 Nov 2012 02:12:01 +0000

Bruce Allen is a cap genius but lousy player-picker.

By: Hawaiian Buc

Hawaiian Buc — Sun, 04 Nov 2012 02:07:28 +0000

@Orlando,

Yeah, but it’s also not fair to judge a GM after only 3 drafts, especially with all the bad luck we’ve had with injuries. You have to give the guys some time to develop, and we are starting to see that development now. You also have to remember who was coaching us the last 3 years. Now with good coaching, you are starting to see the real talent that Dominik drafted.

Also, you say that we haven’t had a full good season from any of his draft picks, but then you listed 2 key guys. To have a franchise QB (hopefully) and probably the best #2 WR in the NFL is pretty damn good in 3 drafts in my opinion. I’m pretty sure any and every NFL team would take that, don’t you? It’s also not fair to just disregard this years draft either. I don’t understand why that somehow doesn’t count? A little confused on that one.

I questioned our talent last year, but I now see that coaching was much more to blame. There really hasn’t been too many busts compared to the average. Brian Price had a freak injury, and Rejus Benn hasn’t been the same since tearing up his knee. I don’t know what he was thinking with Myron Lewis though. No defending that one (now please Myron, make me look stupid and get 2 picks on Sunday).

By: Orlandobucfan

Orlandobucfan — Sun, 04 Nov 2012 01:41:09 +0000

@ Hawaiian
My statement was it started with chucky implying that he didn’t have good draft picks, an other than this last schiano draft the bucs have not had a full good season from any of rockstar draft picks other than one a full good year of freeman and Williams. Gmc has played well this year but its been only half the season.

By: Bucs4821

Bucs4821 — Sun, 04 Nov 2012 00:06:37 +0000

@Mike J said: “I heard Jon on MNF reference leaving someone on the board so that he could take (the perennial All Pro), Dexter Jackson.Sort of a mea culpa.”

Yikes! I never heard that! Pretty frightening!

My guess is that goes back to his days with “Weird Al” Davis and his obsession with speed.

Thanks for the info.

By: Brandon

Brandon — Sat, 03 Nov 2012 23:22:44 +0000

I remember swearing, promising, guaranteeing and assuring all that would listen that the Bucs would not be drafting a CB where the Bucs drafted Talib. I hemmed and hawed that NO TEAM running the Tampa 2 would ever dare drafing a CB in the top 20… And even if they did, that CB wouldn’t be Talib… well, I was wrong… but in the long run, can we now admit that I was still right?

The Gruden drafts were terrible! Marquise Walker… Travis Stephens, Sean Mahan… Lance Nimmo… Gruden might have been the only drafter that thought these guys had anything to offer. I used to be able to guess 3 out of 4 draft picks right before the Dungy picks were made… with Gruden drafts I often had to look the guys up in my draft guide because they were so obscure,,, Nimmo wasn’t listed in any, Larry Brackins wasn’t considered anything better than a 7th.

For those of you defending Gruden, it was widely reported by Gruden and Allen themselves that Allen was more of a cap manager than talent evaluator… which made the player selection job to Gruden… WHO SUCKED! He did have a decent GM, btw, his name was Rich McKay… and Gruden ran him out of town.