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	<title>Comments on: The Mike Williams Robbery</title>
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		<title>By: Caleb</title>
		<link>http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=76111&#038;cpage=1#comment-2152281</link>
		<dc:creator>Caleb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2012 13:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[UMMMMM, how about not giving up 300yds and 4 tds to brees.......IN THE FIRST HALF!!!!  maybe you wouldnt have to worry about the last play if your defence could stop any play thats not a run!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UMMMMM, how about not giving up 300yds and 4 tds to brees&#8230;&#8230;.IN THE FIRST HALF!!!!  maybe you wouldnt have to worry about the last play if your defence could stop any play thats not a run!</p>
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		<title>By: DMC</title>
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		<dc:creator>DMC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2012 12:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think Freeman was out of the pocket. Fine. That&#039;s one ruling. In other words, no foul on the defender. That ruling has no bearing on the other ruling. A receiver that is pushed out of bounds, and quickly gets back in bounds is still eligible. Williams in fact did get immediately back in, and therefore was elgible. The Ref blew the call.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Freeman was out of the pocket. Fine. That&#8217;s one ruling. In other words, no foul on the defender. That ruling has no bearing on the other ruling. A receiver that is pushed out of bounds, and quickly gets back in bounds is still eligible. Williams in fact did get immediately back in, and therefore was elgible. The Ref blew the call.</p>
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		<title>By: Ramdog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ramdog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2012 12:37:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That call was BS. The final play in our house. Come on even if he is almost to the sidelines and Williams was sitting in the front row before he came back into bounds you CAN&#039;T make that call. You think they would&#039;ve made that call in New Orleans what about Pittsburgh ?? The Bucs are always getting shafted on weird penalties and plays. It is almost like they are cursed. What about Simeon Rice&#039;s illegal jumping ?? WTF is that. That was the year after they won it all. This game we had illegal yelling. Come on. I can see if you are on the road but you are in your house you are supposed to get borderline calls there right ?? That is why it is the home field advantage. It is almost like the refs comb the rule books to screw us.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That call was BS. The final play in our house. Come on even if he is almost to the sidelines and Williams was sitting in the front row before he came back into bounds you CAN&#8217;T make that call. You think they would&#8217;ve made that call in New Orleans what about Pittsburgh ?? The Bucs are always getting shafted on weird penalties and plays. It is almost like they are cursed. What about Simeon Rice&#8217;s illegal jumping ?? WTF is that. That was the year after they won it all. This game we had illegal yelling. Come on. I can see if you are on the road but you are in your house you are supposed to get borderline calls there right ?? That is why it is the home field advantage. It is almost like the refs comb the rule books to screw us.</p>
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		<title>By: Ricky Bobby</title>
		<link>http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=76111&#038;cpage=1#comment-2151187</link>
		<dc:creator>Ricky Bobby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2012 05:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kyle,
Mike P is an idiot. If Free had tucked and run from the pocket, that would be one thing. That is clearly NOT the case during this play. I would suggest you take a look at the shot showing when Mike Williams was touched by the defender as Free was directly within the pocket NOT moving away from it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kyle,<br />
Mike P is an idiot. If Free had tucked and run from the pocket, that would be one thing. That is clearly NOT the case during this play. I would suggest you take a look at the shot showing when Mike Williams was touched by the defender as Free was directly within the pocket NOT moving away from it.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2012 04:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually I may be wrong (lol).

I was chatting it up with Mike Pereira on Twitter and according to him, even though Josh was within the pocket, because he was moving away from the pocket there&#039;s no way an official would say he was in the pocket. So the illegal contact is allowed.

Doesn&#039;t really make sense, but oh well. Also, the rule is obviously not in place so defenders can use it in the mannered it was used against us. In my opinion it needs to be tweaked so if an offensive players is pushed out of bounds (even legally) they can reestablish themselves in the field. I just can&#039;t believe you can push someone out and basically take them out of the play.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually I may be wrong (lol).</p>
<p>I was chatting it up with Mike Pereira on Twitter and according to him, even though Josh was within the pocket, because he was moving away from the pocket there&#8217;s no way an official would say he was in the pocket. So the illegal contact is allowed.</p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t really make sense, but oh well. Also, the rule is obviously not in place so defenders can use it in the mannered it was used against us. In my opinion it needs to be tweaked so if an offensive players is pushed out of bounds (even legally) they can reestablish themselves in the field. I just can&#8217;t believe you can push someone out and basically take them out of the play.</p>
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		<title>By: Ricky Bobby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ricky Bobby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2012 03:30:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Freeman was in the pocket, it was an illegal push OB on mike williams. He re-established and caught the ball for a TD to tie it up. 
This will not be talked about in mainstream sports media to any extent. Maybe if we were the Seahawks and it was against GB on Monday Night Football while replacement refs were making the calls.
Noone cares about Tampa Bay, except its fans.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Freeman was in the pocket, it was an illegal push OB on mike williams. He re-established and caught the ball for a TD to tie it up.<br />
This will not be talked about in mainstream sports media to any extent. Maybe if we were the Seahawks and it was against GB on Monday Night Football while replacement refs were making the calls.<br />
Noone cares about Tampa Bay, except its fans.</p>
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		<title>By: K1ngAdroc</title>
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		<dc:creator>K1ngAdroc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2012 02:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kyle is exactly right, thanks for that. .... but we still lost - sickening]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kyle is exactly right, thanks for that. &#8230;. but we still lost &#8211; sickening</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
		<link>http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=76111&#038;cpage=1#comment-2150848</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2012 02:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually, Freeman was still within the pocket. Pocket is defined from side to side as 2 yards outside the tackles on either side (or TE if they stay back to block). Freeman was in the pocket when the illegal shove occured. Refs missed it.

Also, the rule says you can make illegal contact with an &quot;obstructing opponent,&quot; which receivers are within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage. Beyond that no illegal contact is allowed, because the receiver is no longer an obstructing opponent. The only exception is as followed (and this is the rule that&#039;s being used to say the call was right):

&quot;An eligible receiver is considered to be an obstructing opponent only to a point five yards beyond the line of 
scrimmage unless the player who receives the snap demonstrates no further intention to pass the ball (including handing 
off the ball, pitching the ball, or moving out of the pocket).&quot;

So let me ask you, did Freeman demonstrate no further intention to pass the ball? Is the process of moving out of the pocket (even if the quarterback is within the pocket when the foul occurs) grounds for demonstrating this? I think not. I think a quarterback would have to tuck the ball and act as if they&#039;re running for the illegal contact to be allowed down field. Clearly Freeman was still intending to throw the ball.

Fact is, it should have been illegal contact on the defense, and by rule, if pushed out of bounds by an illegal act, the receiver can reestablish himself in bounds. TD stands. Bucs tie the game . . . eventually go on to win :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Freeman was still within the pocket. Pocket is defined from side to side as 2 yards outside the tackles on either side (or TE if they stay back to block). Freeman was in the pocket when the illegal shove occured. Refs missed it.</p>
<p>Also, the rule says you can make illegal contact with an &#8220;obstructing opponent,&#8221; which receivers are within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage. Beyond that no illegal contact is allowed, because the receiver is no longer an obstructing opponent. The only exception is as followed (and this is the rule that&#8217;s being used to say the call was right):</p>
<p>&#8220;An eligible receiver is considered to be an obstructing opponent only to a point five yards beyond the line of<br />
scrimmage unless the player who receives the snap demonstrates no further intention to pass the ball (including handing<br />
off the ball, pitching the ball, or moving out of the pocket).&#8221;</p>
<p>So let me ask you, did Freeman demonstrate no further intention to pass the ball? Is the process of moving out of the pocket (even if the quarterback is within the pocket when the foul occurs) grounds for demonstrating this? I think not. I think a quarterback would have to tuck the ball and act as if they&#8217;re running for the illegal contact to be allowed down field. Clearly Freeman was still intending to throw the ball.</p>
<p>Fact is, it should have been illegal contact on the defense, and by rule, if pushed out of bounds by an illegal act, the receiver can reestablish himself in bounds. TD stands. Bucs tie the game . . . eventually go on to win <img src='http://www.joebucsfan.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: ElioT</title>
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		<dc:creator>ElioT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2012 02:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Like they say in boxing &amp; MMA: Don&#039;t leave it to the judges.

The Bucs could have taken that damn game. Bummer...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like they say in boxing &amp; MMA: Don&#8217;t leave it to the judges.</p>
<p>The Bucs could have taken that damn game. Bummer&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: tommy</title>
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		<dc:creator>tommy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2012 02:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[we were robbed...again at home!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we were robbed&#8230;again at home!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Wrong</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wrong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2012 01:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[what yall need to look at is this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWfsTXqZ064

the push was 2 seconds before josh threw the ball....mike took 6 steps after he came back in before he caught the ball

Go back and watch the play.....pause it at 10 seconds, when you see mike getting pushed

Josh is still in the pocket, he is right next to the hash mark which is inside the tackles when the play started

should of been illegal contact which could have been declined
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the play was ruled illegal touching because it was supposedly a legal force out(josh had to be out of the pocket for it to be legal), he wasn&#039;t out of the pocket meaning it was illegal contact on the defender.

There are always ups and downs in a game, what happened was a travesty. We fought back against our own mistakes and the other team and put ourselves in a place to send it to overtime. it should have been decided on the field by the players.

It&#039;s really similar to the calvin johnson play from a few years ago when they got screwed. A bad call at the wrong time, call Touchdown and let it go to overtime. Wasn&#039;t even reviewed it was over when they said illegal touching, no review of josh being in or out of the pocket nothing about the play was reviewed and it directly affected the outcome. Some of you guys are out of touch with reality or something.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what yall need to look at is this</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWfsTXqZ064" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWfsTXqZ064</a></p>
<p>the push was 2 seconds before josh threw the ball&#8230;.mike took 6 steps after he came back in before he caught the ball</p>
<p>Go back and watch the play&#8230;..pause it at 10 seconds, when you see mike getting pushed</p>
<p>Josh is still in the pocket, he is right next to the hash mark which is inside the tackles when the play started</p>
<p>should of been illegal contact which could have been declined<br />
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<p>the play was ruled illegal touching because it was supposedly a legal force out(josh had to be out of the pocket for it to be legal), he wasn&#8217;t out of the pocket meaning it was illegal contact on the defender.</p>
<p>There are always ups and downs in a game, what happened was a travesty. We fought back against our own mistakes and the other team and put ourselves in a place to send it to overtime. it should have been decided on the field by the players.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s really similar to the calvin johnson play from a few years ago when they got screwed. A bad call at the wrong time, call Touchdown and let it go to overtime. Wasn&#8217;t even reviewed it was over when they said illegal touching, no review of josh being in or out of the pocket nothing about the play was reviewed and it directly affected the outcome. Some of you guys are out of touch with reality or something.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Oct 2012 00:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wasn&#039;t that much of a shove.....sort of half shove, half drift.

Correct call, but they did go deep in the rule book this game.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wasn&#8217;t that much of a shove&#8230;..sort of half shove, half drift.</p>
<p>Correct call, but they did go deep in the rule book this game.</p>
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