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		<title>By: Miguel Grande</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miguel Grande</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2012 21:56:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ray Perkins used the #1 overall pick in the NFL to select Vinny Testaverde, a color blind QB with an incredibly low Wonderlic, who could not discern the difference between the creamsicle orange uniforms from the opposing white jersies. 

&quot;Vinny Testaverde’s ’88 campaign has to be arguably the worst season for a quarterback in NFL history. In 15 games Testaverde threw 35 interceptions. 35. That’s the second most in NFL history. Tack on another 8 fumbles and Vinny turned the ball over a total of 43 times that season. It comes out to roughly three turnovers per game by Testaverde alone. BIG. If there were an award given out to the player who contributes the most to an opposing team’s success Vinny Testaverde would have unanimously won this award. Think about it. If you were an opposing team playing against the Bucs in 1988, you could pretty much count of Vinny making more plays to help your team win than his own. The dude had a 7.5% interception ratio (that’s just sickening). In any case, Vinny and the Bucs somehow managed to win 5 games that season. Here is Vinny’s entire stat line for the 1988 season: 3,240 yards on 43% completion percentage, 13 touchdowns, 35 INTERCEPTIONS and a league worst 48.8 passer rating (ouch ouch).&quot;

The first move Perkns made as the Buc&#039;s HC was to switch sides of the field with the visiting teams so that the Bucs would stand facing the relentless sun and the visitors could stand in the shade. He didn&#039;t want the teams to crisscross on the way to their locker rooms and shake hands. He felt that his failures were based on his teams passing secrets about his genius game plan to the opponents.

His Baltimore Colt team mates coined him the stupidest man alive. He thought that he was a football genius but he also thought he was a poker genius. They would fight for the opportunity to relieve him of his paycheck every week in a poker game.

Ray Perkins had memorized a play for every down and distance, according to the position on the field. Defensive coordinators who were lucky enough to face him had a book on his tendencies.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ray Perkins used the #1 overall pick in the NFL to select Vinny Testaverde, a color blind QB with an incredibly low Wonderlic, who could not discern the difference between the creamsicle orange uniforms from the opposing white jersies. </p>
<p>&#8220;Vinny Testaverde’s ’88 campaign has to be arguably the worst season for a quarterback in NFL history. In 15 games Testaverde threw 35 interceptions. 35. That’s the second most in NFL history. Tack on another 8 fumbles and Vinny turned the ball over a total of 43 times that season. It comes out to roughly three turnovers per game by Testaverde alone. BIG. If there were an award given out to the player who contributes the most to an opposing team’s success Vinny Testaverde would have unanimously won this award. Think about it. If you were an opposing team playing against the Bucs in 1988, you could pretty much count of Vinny making more plays to help your team win than his own. The dude had a 7.5% interception ratio (that’s just sickening). In any case, Vinny and the Bucs somehow managed to win 5 games that season. Here is Vinny’s entire stat line for the 1988 season: 3,240 yards on 43% completion percentage, 13 touchdowns, 35 INTERCEPTIONS and a league worst 48.8 passer rating (ouch ouch).&#8221;</p>
<p>The first move Perkns made as the Buc&#8217;s HC was to switch sides of the field with the visiting teams so that the Bucs would stand facing the relentless sun and the visitors could stand in the shade. He didn&#8217;t want the teams to crisscross on the way to their locker rooms and shake hands. He felt that his failures were based on his teams passing secrets about his genius game plan to the opponents.</p>
<p>His Baltimore Colt team mates coined him the stupidest man alive. He thought that he was a football genius but he also thought he was a poker genius. They would fight for the opportunity to relieve him of his paycheck every week in a poker game.</p>
<p>Ray Perkins had memorized a play for every down and distance, according to the position on the field. Defensive coordinators who were lucky enough to face him had a book on his tendencies.</p>
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		<title>By: Miguel Grande</title>
		<link>http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=70556&#038;cpage=1#comment-1939359</link>
		<dc:creator>Miguel Grande</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2012 20:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hugh Culverhouse couldn&#039;t pry Bear Bryant from Alabama, Ray Perkins was his Bear Bryant. John McKay was hired on the recommendation of Coach Bryant.

 Isn&#039;t it  ironic that Ray Perkins is part of the Belicheat tree that you speak so highly of.

I enjoy the intrigues and complexities of football, when the coaches, players, front office and or GM make stupid moves, I just can&#039;t help but noticing out loud.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hugh Culverhouse couldn&#8217;t pry Bear Bryant from Alabama, Ray Perkins was his Bear Bryant. John McKay was hired on the recommendation of Coach Bryant.</p>
<p> Isn&#8217;t it  ironic that Ray Perkins is part of the Belicheat tree that you speak so highly of.</p>
<p>I enjoy the intrigues and complexities of football, when the coaches, players, front office and or GM make stupid moves, I just can&#8217;t help but noticing out loud.</p>
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		<title>By: The Dutcher Journal (Pete Dutcher)</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2012 20:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Miguel Grande Says:
August 6th, 2012 at 1:43 pm

Ray Perkins was a disciplinarian and the stupidest man alive. I just don’t see a connection between discipline and success. I do see a definite connection between discipline and stubbornness. I see stubbornness usually leads to abject failure.

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Perkins was hired by ownership who wanted to save money more than have success. Schiano is a completely different case.

We&#039;ve seen coach after coach pointed at as being the next Billichek, but most of them came from Bill&#039;s coaching tree. Schiano knows him, but is mostly self developed.

Does this mean success for Schiano. Maybe not. But failure is not assured either.

I find myself wondering how any person could enjoy football when they are always negative.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Miguel Grande Says:<br />
August 6th, 2012 at 1:43 pm</p>
<p>Ray Perkins was a disciplinarian and the stupidest man alive. I just don’t see a connection between discipline and success. I do see a definite connection between discipline and stubbornness. I see stubbornness usually leads to abject failure.</p>
<p>.</p>
<p>Perkins was hired by ownership who wanted to save money more than have success. Schiano is a completely different case.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve seen coach after coach pointed at as being the next Billichek, but most of them came from Bill&#8217;s coaching tree. Schiano knows him, but is mostly self developed.</p>
<p>Does this mean success for Schiano. Maybe not. But failure is not assured either.</p>
<p>I find myself wondering how any person could enjoy football when they are always negative.</p>
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		<title>By: Facts Matter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Facts Matter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2012 18:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Little Mikey&quot;,
Get off the anti-Perkins schtick already. Ray Perkins was the offensive coordinator for Air Coryell. He turned around the losing culture of the Giants as its Head Coach, mentored Bill Parcells and Bill Belichick (both destined for the Hall of Fame), and drafted Lawrence Taylor (already in the Hall as the best defensive player ever) among others.

From a Sports Illustrated article in 1983:
At his desk, Perkins sifts through telegrams of encouragement. Seven are from New York Giants players. When he first took over the Giants, Perkins remembers, some players said he was a &quot;martinet.&quot; They were also quoted as saying he &quot;drives you too hard&quot; and &quot;gives you no sense of security.&quot; One said he was &quot;a heartless leader in a heartless business.&quot; When the Giants went to the playoffs for the first time in 18 years in 1981, they said other things, that he had &quot;taught us a work ethic&quot; and &quot;whipped us into shape&quot; and &quot;brought us national respect.&quot;
Oh, and he was asked by Bear Bryant to take over coaching for him at Alabama.
Are you going to call Bear Bryant the stupidest now?

The guy knows football.

The problems at Tampa did not stem from Ray Perkins. Try looking at the owner at the time. And the mirror for impatient fans expecting a miracle with a wave of a hand and no effort involved.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Little Mikey&#8221;,<br />
Get off the anti-Perkins schtick already. Ray Perkins was the offensive coordinator for Air Coryell. He turned around the losing culture of the Giants as its Head Coach, mentored Bill Parcells and Bill Belichick (both destined for the Hall of Fame), and drafted Lawrence Taylor (already in the Hall as the best defensive player ever) among others.</p>
<p>From a Sports Illustrated article in 1983:<br />
At his desk, Perkins sifts through telegrams of encouragement. Seven are from New York Giants players. When he first took over the Giants, Perkins remembers, some players said he was a &#8220;martinet.&#8221; They were also quoted as saying he &#8220;drives you too hard&#8221; and &#8220;gives you no sense of security.&#8221; One said he was &#8220;a heartless leader in a heartless business.&#8221; When the Giants went to the playoffs for the first time in 18 years in 1981, they said other things, that he had &#8220;taught us a work ethic&#8221; and &#8220;whipped us into shape&#8221; and &#8220;brought us national respect.&#8221;<br />
Oh, and he was asked by Bear Bryant to take over coaching for him at Alabama.<br />
Are you going to call Bear Bryant the stupidest now?</p>
<p>The guy knows football.</p>
<p>The problems at Tampa did not stem from Ray Perkins. Try looking at the owner at the time. And the mirror for impatient fans expecting a miracle with a wave of a hand and no effort involved.</p>
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		<title>By: Piratic</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2012 18:25:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@MG:
If you are unable to see the correlation between discipline and success, it might be YOU who&#039;s the stupidest man alive. 

Talk about abject failure!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@MG:<br />
If you are unable to see the correlation between discipline and success, it might be YOU who&#8217;s the stupidest man alive. </p>
<p>Talk about abject failure!</p>
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		<title>By: Miguel Grande</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miguel Grande</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2012 17:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ray Perkins was a disciplinarian and the stupidest man alive. I just don&#039;t see a connection between discipline and success. I do see a definite connection between discipline and stubbornness. I see stubbornness usually leads to abject failure.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ray Perkins was a disciplinarian and the stupidest man alive. I just don&#8217;t see a connection between discipline and success. I do see a definite connection between discipline and stubbornness. I see stubbornness usually leads to abject failure.</p>
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		<title>By: Bobby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bobby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2012 17:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Belechick is a disciplinarian too. Seems to work for him......]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Belechick is a disciplinarian too. Seems to work for him&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: TrueBlue</title>
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		<dc:creator>TrueBlue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2012 15:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lack of discipline leads to quitting when things go wrong.  There&#039;s no established habits/training to fall back on.  Soldiers always talk about just relying on their training when the heat of battle freaks them out.  This discipline will go a long ways towards keeping order when things get tough.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lack of discipline leads to quitting when things go wrong.  There&#8217;s no established habits/training to fall back on.  Soldiers always talk about just relying on their training when the heat of battle freaks them out.  This discipline will go a long ways towards keeping order when things get tough.</p>
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		<title>By: TheRealVince</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheRealVince</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2012 15:32:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Until proven otherwise, this team was BEGGING for discipline]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Until proven otherwise, this team was BEGGING for discipline</p>
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		<title>By: bucyea</title>
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		<dc:creator>bucyea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2012 14:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What misery it will be for the local hacks if the Bucs are even the slightest bit successful.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What misery it will be for the local hacks if the Bucs are even the slightest bit successful.</p>
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		<title>By: Macabee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Macabee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2012 12:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I sincerely hope his methods work, because if it doesn&#039;t, the coach will become the focus of the media instead of the team and that would not be a good thing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sincerely hope his methods work, because if it doesn&#8217;t, the coach will become the focus of the media instead of the team and that would not be a good thing.</p>
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		<title>By: jfgobucs</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2012 12:34:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve never seen a team that needed as much Discipline]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never seen a team that needed as much Discipline</p>
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