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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=58520&#038;cpage=1#comment-1164424</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2011 13:08:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Niko maybe I misunderstood your what you were saying!    Your later response seems to clear it up, I believe we feel the same way!

So you know, I have never been a fan of Morris!  He has had no head coaching background until the Bucs! He was D-Cord at Kansas State for only one year and then was a Quality Control Assistant, which I never truly understood that position.  To me sounds more like a Secretary!  

 Most folks saw through the smoking mirrors.  The Glazers were not going to pay for another High Profile coach when they still had to pay Gruden for the remainder of his contract!  In my thoughts, just simply put they are Cheap Asses!

Now I do like drafting young players, but as you may or may not agree, you need veterans to assist in mentoring these young players.  We have had countless opportunities to get quality younger veterans in here to play and let them slip by.

On the game this past week, I do agree, I am a huge Freeman Fan, even though I was a little uncertain about his ability in the start, I watched him in college and he had that big arm and could run, but the mental errors were huge, but he has grown, but I also feel that our current coaching staff doesnt know how to use his abilities to the fullest!  

From my side, I hope for change and soon.   I would safely say Morris needs to win out to save his job.  Because no fans in the stands will equal a new coach at some point!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Niko maybe I misunderstood your what you were saying!    Your later response seems to clear it up, I believe we feel the same way!</p>
<p>So you know, I have never been a fan of Morris!  He has had no head coaching background until the Bucs! He was D-Cord at Kansas State for only one year and then was a Quality Control Assistant, which I never truly understood that position.  To me sounds more like a Secretary!  </p>
<p> Most folks saw through the smoking mirrors.  The Glazers were not going to pay for another High Profile coach when they still had to pay Gruden for the remainder of his contract!  In my thoughts, just simply put they are Cheap Asses!</p>
<p>Now I do like drafting young players, but as you may or may not agree, you need veterans to assist in mentoring these young players.  We have had countless opportunities to get quality younger veterans in here to play and let them slip by.</p>
<p>On the game this past week, I do agree, I am a huge Freeman Fan, even though I was a little uncertain about his ability in the start, I watched him in college and he had that big arm and could run, but the mental errors were huge, but he has grown, but I also feel that our current coaching staff doesnt know how to use his abilities to the fullest!  </p>
<p>From my side, I hope for change and soon.   I would safely say Morris needs to win out to save his job.  Because no fans in the stands will equal a new coach at some point!</p>
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		<title>By: Niko (The Optimist)</title>
		<link>http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=58520&#038;cpage=1#comment-1160842</link>
		<dc:creator>Niko (The Optimist)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2011 22:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Scott, what on earth are you telling me? I don&#039;t understand. 
I said this year, we had two sell outs. And we have. Colts game, and Cowboys game. 
I know there were non sellouts before, thats my point, this year we sold out two games more than last year.

I have no facts, because there is no scientific poll of season ticket holders. Your telling me your opinion, and Im simply giving mine. I am not a season ticket holder, nor will I ever be. I enjoy sitting all over the stadium, usually one club, one end zone, one upper, and one really close to Bucs bench lower per year. the rest I stay home. Sometimes I go to a preseason game, usually the first, if its home. I sit next to a lot of people, and engage in conversations. I rarely ever come across anyone who wants to fire the coach, Gruden, or Morris. 

Can you deny that you didn&#039;t want to fire Morris 6 games ago? Why would you want to fire him now, after 6 games, including the last one that pissed everyone off, even though we knew our backup QB was going to play the game?

And before anyone says Josh Freeman didn&#039;t play linebacker, I know everyone on this site is football knowledgeable enough to understand one third down conversion eliminates one opposing teams possession, or at least part of it. We were in Carolina&#039;s 35 yard one 8 times. Tell me Freeman doesnt turn some of those to TDs and thus its a different game. I refused to watch the game when I found out Freeman wasn&#039;t playing in it. I decided to do my own throwback, and listened to Gene and Dave Moore! Spent many a Sundays in the 80s that way (and previous network team Mark Champion).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott, what on earth are you telling me? I don&#8217;t understand.<br />
I said this year, we had two sell outs. And we have. Colts game, and Cowboys game.<br />
I know there were non sellouts before, thats my point, this year we sold out two games more than last year.</p>
<p>I have no facts, because there is no scientific poll of season ticket holders. Your telling me your opinion, and Im simply giving mine. I am not a season ticket holder, nor will I ever be. I enjoy sitting all over the stadium, usually one club, one end zone, one upper, and one really close to Bucs bench lower per year. the rest I stay home. Sometimes I go to a preseason game, usually the first, if its home. I sit next to a lot of people, and engage in conversations. I rarely ever come across anyone who wants to fire the coach, Gruden, or Morris. </p>
<p>Can you deny that you didn&#8217;t want to fire Morris 6 games ago? Why would you want to fire him now, after 6 games, including the last one that pissed everyone off, even though we knew our backup QB was going to play the game?</p>
<p>And before anyone says Josh Freeman didn&#8217;t play linebacker, I know everyone on this site is football knowledgeable enough to understand one third down conversion eliminates one opposing teams possession, or at least part of it. We were in Carolina&#8217;s 35 yard one 8 times. Tell me Freeman doesnt turn some of those to TDs and thus its a different game. I refused to watch the game when I found out Freeman wasn&#8217;t playing in it. I decided to do my own throwback, and listened to Gene and Dave Moore! Spent many a Sundays in the 80s that way (and previous network team Mark Champion).</p>
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		<title>By: Sgt Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=58520&#038;cpage=1#comment-1158343</link>
		<dc:creator>Sgt Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2011 13:32:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So what are the gate, concessions and parking figures? Doesn&#039;t the team keep a larger portion of that than the percentage they get from revenue sharing from tv deals? I understand that more is made off of the media deal yet another large Chunk comes from gate and concessions. I would like to compare those numbers against each other and then tell me if the ticket sales do not contribute to coaching decisions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what are the gate, concessions and parking figures? Doesn&#8217;t the team keep a larger portion of that than the percentage they get from revenue sharing from tv deals? I understand that more is made off of the media deal yet another large Chunk comes from gate and concessions. I would like to compare those numbers against each other and then tell me if the ticket sales do not contribute to coaching decisions.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=58520&#038;cpage=1#comment-1158340</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2011 13:32:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Niko- Here is an article from TBO.COM, this was prior to this years Monday Night Game -  As we enter the 72-hour window until kickoff, plenty of tickets still remain for the 4:15 kickoff. Sunday&#039;s crowd is expected to be comparable to that of the season opener against Detroit. That game drew 51,274. Raymond James Stadium seats roughly 65,000.

A local blackout covers all of Tampa Bay and many surrounding markets, including Bradenton-Sarasota and parts of the Orlando market.

This will be the 10th straight regular-season home game not available on local television after all eight home games were blacked out last season.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Niko- Here is an article from TBO.COM, this was prior to this years Monday Night Game &#8211;  As we enter the 72-hour window until kickoff, plenty of tickets still remain for the 4:15 kickoff. Sunday&#8217;s crowd is expected to be comparable to that of the season opener against Detroit. That game drew 51,274. Raymond James Stadium seats roughly 65,000.</p>
<p>A local blackout covers all of Tampa Bay and many surrounding markets, including Bradenton-Sarasota and parts of the Orlando market.</p>
<p>This will be the 10th straight regular-season home game not available on local television after all eight home games were blacked out last season.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=58520&#038;cpage=1#comment-1158329</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2011 13:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[NIKO- I am not sure where you are getting your facts from, but I believe you need to review them.  The majority of the season ticket holders and fans never wanted Morris to begin with.   He was a cheap hire because the Bucs still had to pay Gruden until this year, hence why he never took another coaching job and signed with ESPN!  

The Glazers are cheap simply put!  They dont want to pay for free agents because we all know that we needed CB help for years.  I love Ronde Barber as a player and enjoyed his years here, but if you can not see that he has slowed down over the last two years then you may not be watching the games too closely.  

Now tell me how many games sold out the year before?   I believe only 1, compared to the previous years in the Ray J.  If the Glazers do not look at the numbers closely they will soon find that no one will be in the stands and they will have no one to blame but theirselves.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NIKO- I am not sure where you are getting your facts from, but I believe you need to review them.  The majority of the season ticket holders and fans never wanted Morris to begin with.   He was a cheap hire because the Bucs still had to pay Gruden until this year, hence why he never took another coaching job and signed with ESPN!  </p>
<p>The Glazers are cheap simply put!  They dont want to pay for free agents because we all know that we needed CB help for years.  I love Ronde Barber as a player and enjoyed his years here, but if you can not see that he has slowed down over the last two years then you may not be watching the games too closely.  </p>
<p>Now tell me how many games sold out the year before?   I believe only 1, compared to the previous years in the Ray J.  If the Glazers do not look at the numbers closely they will soon find that no one will be in the stands and they will have no one to blame but theirselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2011 13:18:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was a long time season ticket holder.  This year after 16 years I gave up my tickets for two simple reasons. Raheem Morris and the Glazers.  They have simply run this team into the ground.    Two years ago we could have had Bill Cowher but the Glazers didnt want to pay him 6 mil  a year, because they were dumb and fired Jon Gruden and he was still under contract until this year.   With that being said, I sure hope they do the right thing, bring in Cowher this year and get the fans back into the Stadium.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was a long time season ticket holder.  This year after 16 years I gave up my tickets for two simple reasons. Raheem Morris and the Glazers.  They have simply run this team into the ground.    Two years ago we could have had Bill Cowher but the Glazers didnt want to pay him 6 mil  a year, because they were dumb and fired Jon Gruden and he was still under contract until this year.   With that being said, I sure hope they do the right thing, bring in Cowher this year and get the fans back into the Stadium.</p>
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		<title>By: Niko (The Optimist)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Niko (The Optimist)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2011 12:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lets first deal in facts before speculation.

Fact: The Bucs have sold out two games this year at home, one a MNF game, the other an NFL Network prime time Sat. Night game, but against the Dallas Cowboys. With the economy slightly improving, and prices falling, its not a far fetch to think season tickets will go up. People forget the poor play in the offseason, once August comes around we all want football again, and fans will hand their hats on something.

FACT: It was the glazers that instigated this &#039;Build through the draft&#039; policy in the first place. Not because Bucs money is going to Man U. Thats like saying Tampa Yankees money is going to support the Yankees. Man U is the BIGGEST sports franchise on the whole planet, if anything its profits could support the Bucs. Glazers are low on income from Bucs money if anything at all, but thats going to end soon enough as explained here. How can the Glazers fire Raheem Morris when they are the ones who didn&#039;t allow him to field a good enough team with veterans to help the kids.

FACT: There was no &quot;Fire Morris&quot; banter prior to this season. 6 weeks into the 2011 season, only the small handful of vocal Morris haters were talking about replacing the Head Coach. That means the hysteria over firing Morris is a result of the last 6 weeks of Football. Let me repeat in caps. PEOPLE WANT TO FIRE RAHEEM MORRIS BASED ON THE  PAST 6 WEEKS!!! 

Now, lets leave the facts behind. How many of you think the Colts should fire their coach, they havnt won a game? What about Spagnolo in St.Louis, he was looking pretty decent last year? Andy Reid? Mike Shanahan (you guys wanted him instead of Morris), what about Leslie Frazier? So why fire Morris? 

6 games ago the guy was 16-9 in his last 25 games. Now the wheels have fallen off, and you want a complete regime change: starting over?

Doesn&#039;t keeping Morris as HC, finding a new and better DC and OC as well as promise to bring in Free Agents sound like a better plan for one more year?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lets first deal in facts before speculation.</p>
<p>Fact: The Bucs have sold out two games this year at home, one a MNF game, the other an NFL Network prime time Sat. Night game, but against the Dallas Cowboys. With the economy slightly improving, and prices falling, its not a far fetch to think season tickets will go up. People forget the poor play in the offseason, once August comes around we all want football again, and fans will hand their hats on something.</p>
<p>FACT: It was the glazers that instigated this &#8216;Build through the draft&#8217; policy in the first place. Not because Bucs money is going to Man U. Thats like saying Tampa Yankees money is going to support the Yankees. Man U is the BIGGEST sports franchise on the whole planet, if anything its profits could support the Bucs. Glazers are low on income from Bucs money if anything at all, but thats going to end soon enough as explained here. How can the Glazers fire Raheem Morris when they are the ones who didn&#8217;t allow him to field a good enough team with veterans to help the kids.</p>
<p>FACT: There was no &#8220;Fire Morris&#8221; banter prior to this season. 6 weeks into the 2011 season, only the small handful of vocal Morris haters were talking about replacing the Head Coach. That means the hysteria over firing Morris is a result of the last 6 weeks of Football. Let me repeat in caps. PEOPLE WANT TO FIRE RAHEEM MORRIS BASED ON THE  PAST 6 WEEKS!!! </p>
<p>Now, lets leave the facts behind. How many of you think the Colts should fire their coach, they havnt won a game? What about Spagnolo in St.Louis, he was looking pretty decent last year? Andy Reid? Mike Shanahan (you guys wanted him instead of Morris), what about Leslie Frazier? So why fire Morris? </p>
<p>6 games ago the guy was 16-9 in his last 25 games. Now the wheels have fallen off, and you want a complete regime change: starting over?</p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t keeping Morris as HC, finding a new and better DC and OC as well as promise to bring in Free Agents sound like a better plan for one more year?</p>
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		<title>By: Hawaiian Buc</title>
		<link>http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=58520&#038;cpage=1#comment-1156106</link>
		<dc:creator>Hawaiian Buc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2011 05:27:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Apple Roof,

It&#039;s hard to compare a player that has been playing in the NFL for at most 3 years to a Hall of Famer like those guys.  I will say, however, that with the possible exception of Brooks, none of those guys looked like Hall of Famers in their first 3 years.  

That being said, I think Freeman and Blount have a very good chance.  Clayborn and Bowers have LOADS of potential.  GMC might even be if he could stay healthy (that one is mainly for the enjoyment of Thomas 2.2).  Brian Price has the potential to be an amazing player, barring more serious injuries.  I concede that all of them won&#039;t be Hall of Famers, but I think it&#039;s very likely that a couple of them could be.  It&#039;s just way too early to tell.  I would also remind you that drafting Hall of Famers is way too much of an expectation to put on any GM, especially in only 3 years.  Most GM&#039;s would be happy to draft 3 Hall of Famers in their entire career.

One big difference between then and now is that the NFL is much more of an immediate impact business now.  Players are expected to come in and dominate almost immediately (league wide).  As far as Tampa, those 3 you mentioned had much lower expectations, so they weren&#039;t judged so early in their careers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Apple Roof,</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to compare a player that has been playing in the NFL for at most 3 years to a Hall of Famer like those guys.  I will say, however, that with the possible exception of Brooks, none of those guys looked like Hall of Famers in their first 3 years.  </p>
<p>That being said, I think Freeman and Blount have a very good chance.  Clayborn and Bowers have LOADS of potential.  GMC might even be if he could stay healthy (that one is mainly for the enjoyment of Thomas 2.2).  Brian Price has the potential to be an amazing player, barring more serious injuries.  I concede that all of them won&#8217;t be Hall of Famers, but I think it&#8217;s very likely that a couple of them could be.  It&#8217;s just way too early to tell.  I would also remind you that drafting Hall of Famers is way too much of an expectation to put on any GM, especially in only 3 years.  Most GM&#8217;s would be happy to draft 3 Hall of Famers in their entire career.</p>
<p>One big difference between then and now is that the NFL is much more of an immediate impact business now.  Players are expected to come in and dominate almost immediately (league wide).  As far as Tampa, those 3 you mentioned had much lower expectations, so they weren&#8217;t judged so early in their careers.</p>
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		<title>By: Apple Roof Cleaning</title>
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		<dc:creator>Apple Roof Cleaning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2011 02:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ok guys, consider this ?
if you are a big name head coach, why come to Tampa, unless you can control the acquisition of talent ?
Do you guys really believe it is ALL Raheem&#039;s fault ?

I am starting to think Mark Dominick is made out of Teflon. 

Sorry, but I don&#039;t see a Warren Sapp, Brooks, Lynch, or Barber type player that Mark has drafted.

Do you ?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok guys, consider this ?<br />
if you are a big name head coach, why come to Tampa, unless you can control the acquisition of talent ?<br />
Do you guys really believe it is ALL Raheem&#8217;s fault ?</p>
<p>I am starting to think Mark Dominick is made out of Teflon. </p>
<p>Sorry, but I don&#8217;t see a Warren Sapp, Brooks, Lynch, or Barber type player that Mark has drafted.</p>
<p>Do you ?</p>
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		<title>By: sharkcoasttactical.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>sharkcoasttactical.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2011 00:15:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting read Joe thanks.  

#OCUPPYONEBUCPLACE

No, I don&#039;t mean lets go camp out.  Demand Excellence.  Remember where we came from.  There is no need for the second coming of Culverhouse.  Out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting read Joe thanks.  </p>
<p>#OCUPPYONEBUCPLACE</p>
<p>No, I don&#8217;t mean lets go camp out.  Demand Excellence.  Remember where we came from.  There is no need for the second coming of Culverhouse.  Out.</p>
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		<title>By: BamBamBuc</title>
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		<dc:creator>BamBamBuc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2011 23:08:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with Bobby.  Back then (2008) our D-line was Kevin Carter, Jovan Haye, Chris Hovan, and Gaines Adams.  Really not much potential left in any of them, and definitely nothing for the future.  Now we have Bowers, GMC, Price, and Clayborn.... much more promising than any of them, and a potentially brighter future for ALL of them.  So, from there, you have to look at the second level.  Back then we had DB55, Cato June and Barrett Ruud.  If I remember correctly, Brooks had been hampered by hamstring issues recently and was considerably slowed from his younger days.  Ruud was no different than the guy everyone wanted run out of town last year.  And Cato was never anything special.  This year, we have a rookie MLB that has shown promise combined with a worthless Black and Hayes.

Based on youth alone, this group has more &quot;future&quot; promise than any of them did.  Clayborn is on pace to have a better year than Gaines Adams rookie year.  Price and GMC have been hampered by injuries, but have shown ability at least as great as Hovan and Haye.  Bowers has only gotten limited time in his rookie campaign and is showing every bit the talent Carter had at that late stage of his career.

If this team would simply improve the 2nd level at OLB, and instill some discipline in these guys they could be a tremendous group.  At worst, they&#039;re equal to the washed up bunch we had then.  But when your DT takes on the double team, the LB HAS to fill the gap and make the tackle.  Well, they rarely fill their gap, and when they do, they rarely make the tackle.  Either way, we&#039;re better off than we were in 2008, it&#039;s just not showing in the stats line yet.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Bobby.  Back then (2008) our D-line was Kevin Carter, Jovan Haye, Chris Hovan, and Gaines Adams.  Really not much potential left in any of them, and definitely nothing for the future.  Now we have Bowers, GMC, Price, and Clayborn&#8230;. much more promising than any of them, and a potentially brighter future for ALL of them.  So, from there, you have to look at the second level.  Back then we had DB55, Cato June and Barrett Ruud.  If I remember correctly, Brooks had been hampered by hamstring issues recently and was considerably slowed from his younger days.  Ruud was no different than the guy everyone wanted run out of town last year.  And Cato was never anything special.  This year, we have a rookie MLB that has shown promise combined with a worthless Black and Hayes.</p>
<p>Based on youth alone, this group has more &#8220;future&#8221; promise than any of them did.  Clayborn is on pace to have a better year than Gaines Adams rookie year.  Price and GMC have been hampered by injuries, but have shown ability at least as great as Hovan and Haye.  Bowers has only gotten limited time in his rookie campaign and is showing every bit the talent Carter had at that late stage of his career.</p>
<p>If this team would simply improve the 2nd level at OLB, and instill some discipline in these guys they could be a tremendous group.  At worst, they&#8217;re equal to the washed up bunch we had then.  But when your DT takes on the double team, the LB HAS to fill the gap and make the tackle.  Well, they rarely fill their gap, and when they do, they rarely make the tackle.  Either way, we&#8217;re better off than we were in 2008, it&#8217;s just not showing in the stats line yet.</p>
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		<title>By: higher728</title>
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		<dc:creator>higher728</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Dec 2011 23:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is there even any point in trying to win then?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there even any point in trying to win then?</p>
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