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	<title>Comments on: Lockout Still Cruising Along</title>
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		<title>By: Snook</title>
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		<dc:creator>Snook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jul 2011 02:58:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This was a calculated move by the owners.  Delay getting the documents to the players then vote before the players can.  Then sit back and blame the players for the delay of the season.  And the typical idiot American falls for it.

Same reason we go back and forth with Democrats and Republicans every 4 or 8 years.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was a calculated move by the owners.  Delay getting the documents to the players then vote before the players can.  Then sit back and blame the players for the delay of the season.  And the typical idiot American falls for it.</p>
<p>Same reason we go back and forth with Democrats and Republicans every 4 or 8 years.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Dutcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete Dutcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 23:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You make a good point, &lt;b&gt;Joe...&lt;/b&gt;but there is also the issue of how badly Smith and the NFLPA has handled all this.

They should have kept the players informed properly along the way so that questions could have been addressed as they went along. But they didn&#039;t, and not they have a bunch of players wondering what the heck is happening.

Remember the group of players that considered forming their own negotiating group a couple months back? It was because they were not being kept in the loop.

And now, of course...they are all over Smith for it and he points the finger at the owners saying &quot;It&#039;s them! They are trying to force us into a fast decision!&quot;

You watch...Smith is going to be out of a job in a month or so when the NFLPA votes on a new leader.

PLAYERS VOTING PROCESS:
Voting Session #1: 11 people vote
Voting Session #2: 32 Player Reps vote

And assuming that it all gets through that part:
Voting Session #3: 1900 players vote

There are so many people voting that there is no chance all of them will be happy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You make a good point, <b>Joe&#8230;</b>but there is also the issue of how badly Smith and the NFLPA has handled all this.</p>
<p>They should have kept the players informed properly along the way so that questions could have been addressed as they went along. But they didn&#8217;t, and not they have a bunch of players wondering what the heck is happening.</p>
<p>Remember the group of players that considered forming their own negotiating group a couple months back? It was because they were not being kept in the loop.</p>
<p>And now, of course&#8230;they are all over Smith for it and he points the finger at the owners saying &#8220;It&#8217;s them! They are trying to force us into a fast decision!&#8221;</p>
<p>You watch&#8230;Smith is going to be out of a job in a month or so when the NFLPA votes on a new leader.</p>
<p>PLAYERS VOTING PROCESS:<br />
Voting Session #1: 11 people vote<br />
Voting Session #2: 32 Player Reps vote</p>
<p>And assuming that it all gets through that part:<br />
Voting Session #3: 1900 players vote</p>
<p>There are so many people voting that there is no chance all of them will be happy.</p>
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		<title>By: Capt.Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Capt.Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 21:21:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Garv- I kinda agree with that idea. 

But a weekend trip to London might be a good thing too!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Garv- I kinda agree with that idea. </p>
<p>But a weekend trip to London might be a good thing too!</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 20:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Garv

Look on the bright side.  Keeping the SB bid alive when everyone knew NY would get it and accepting the London game when most teams don&#039;t want HAS to give Tampa some brownie points towards the next SB they bid.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Garv</p>
<p>Look on the bright side.  Keeping the SB bid alive when everyone knew NY would get it and accepting the London game when most teams don&#8217;t want HAS to give Tampa some brownie points towards the next SB they bid.</p>
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		<title>By: Garv</title>
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		<dc:creator>Garv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 18:49:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dave

I know it. Fact is, even if the lockout goes beyond August 1, I&#039;m sure they&#039;ll find a way. We&#039;ll just catch them in yet another disrespectful lie to the fans and season ticket holders.

Like all of us, I just want my Buccaneer football back. Keeping all of our home games from now on would be nice too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave</p>
<p>I know it. Fact is, even if the lockout goes beyond August 1, I&#8217;m sure they&#8217;ll find a way. We&#8217;ll just catch them in yet another disrespectful lie to the fans and season ticket holders.</p>
<p>Like all of us, I just want my Buccaneer football back. Keeping all of our home games from now on would be nice too.</p>
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		<title>By: Macabee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Macabee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 18:43:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[www.nationalfootballpost.com/We-have-a-proposed-deal.html]]></description>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 18:04:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Garv Says

Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the NFL and the Bucs and the Bears are all making too much money to play that game in London to throw it away.  Not going to happen.]]></description>
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<p>Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the NFL and the Bucs and the Bears are all making too much money to play that game in London to throw it away.  Not going to happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 18:02:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[VIC

I kind of forgot what your point is.  LOL

All I am trying to say is that IN TRAINING CAMP when there are 90 players only about 1/4 are extremely secure.

The rest are fighting for a roster spot OR fighting for a better position on the depth chart.

I do agree that the players would gladly do away with one pre-season game but this year is different.  Because fo the lock-out and the fact that there were no OTAs, most are probably chomping at the bit to get training camp going.

These guys are not used to be around their families and girlfriends so much LOL]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>VIC</p>
<p>I kind of forgot what your point is.  LOL</p>
<p>All I am trying to say is that IN TRAINING CAMP when there are 90 players only about 1/4 are extremely secure.</p>
<p>The rest are fighting for a roster spot OR fighting for a better position on the depth chart.</p>
<p>I do agree that the players would gladly do away with one pre-season game but this year is different.  Because fo the lock-out and the fact that there were no OTAs, most are probably chomping at the bit to get training camp going.</p>
<p>These guys are not used to be around their families and girlfriends so much LOL</p>
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		<title>By: Garv</title>
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		<dc:creator>Garv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 17:34:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[10 more days! Just ten more days and we get our London &quot;home&quot; game back and it get&#039;s possibly paid for by losing a practice &quot;game.&quot;

Believe it or not, this could be a good thing for Buccaneer fans who actually enjoy going to HOME GAMES AT HOME!

It&#039;s going to get done anyway, why not to the fans advantage........just one time?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>10 more days! Just ten more days and we get our London &#8220;home&#8221; game back and it get&#8217;s possibly paid for by losing a practice &#8220;game.&#8221;</p>
<p>Believe it or not, this could be a good thing for Buccaneer fans who actually enjoy going to HOME GAMES AT HOME!</p>
<p>It&#8217;s going to get done anyway, why not to the fans advantage&#8230;&#8230;..just one time?</p>
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		<title>By: Vic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 17:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Dave -- That&#039;s crazy. At least half the Bucs are secure with a roster spot, as you&#039;ll find on every team in the leauge. 

And since the players decide their CBA fate with only a simple majority, 50 percent +1, the voters are very likely to lean toward less training camp and maybe even the loss of a preseason game, which was the point of the my original post -- twisted mightily by the various Democrats here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dave &#8212; That&#8217;s crazy. At least half the Bucs are secure with a roster spot, as you&#8217;ll find on every team in the leauge. </p>
<p>And since the players decide their CBA fate with only a simple majority, 50 percent +1, the voters are very likely to lean toward less training camp and maybe even the loss of a preseason game, which was the point of the my original post &#8212; twisted mightily by the various Democrats here.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 17:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot; Vic Says: 
@Dave — Every team already has more than half of its players under contract for 2011. Those guys want fewer preseason games. Less chance of getting hurt, plus less chance of getting beat out by a non-roster guy. &quot;

I would argue only about 1/4 the players are secure on any given team.  The rest are fighting for jobs &amp; positions.

I agree, many don&#039;t want alot of pre-season games, but it is glaringly obvious that ALMOST 100% were completely against more games and les pre-season.  They would rather keep it as is.

Most vets aren&#039;t that thrilled with pre-season, but most the team and the coaches need it.  If nothing else but to evaluate.  See who is progressing etc... And like I said, most those players do need that money.

Remember Earnest Graham practically lived out of his car once while trying to make the Bucs roster.  That is extreme, but the vast majority are NOT millionaires.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; Vic Says:<br />
@Dave — Every team already has more than half of its players under contract for 2011. Those guys want fewer preseason games. Less chance of getting hurt, plus less chance of getting beat out by a non-roster guy. &#8221;</p>
<p>I would argue only about 1/4 the players are secure on any given team.  The rest are fighting for jobs &amp; positions.</p>
<p>I agree, many don&#8217;t want alot of pre-season games, but it is glaringly obvious that ALMOST 100% were completely against more games and les pre-season.  They would rather keep it as is.</p>
<p>Most vets aren&#8217;t that thrilled with pre-season, but most the team and the coaches need it.  If nothing else but to evaluate.  See who is progressing etc&#8230; And like I said, most those players do need that money.</p>
<p>Remember Earnest Graham practically lived out of his car once while trying to make the Bucs roster.  That is extreme, but the vast majority are NOT millionaires.</p>
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		<title>By: Atrain WD40</title>
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		<dc:creator>Atrain WD40</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 16:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Doty&#039;s ruling will never be actionable, the NFL and players had already been before the special master and a ruling was rendered. Even if he rules in the players favor which he will, the owners will appeal to the 8th circuit who will then overturn it........ Saga continues]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doty&#8217;s ruling will never be actionable, the NFL and players had already been before the special master and a ruling was rendered. Even if he rules in the players favor which he will, the owners will appeal to the 8th circuit who will then overturn it&#8230;&#8230;.. Saga continues</p>
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