Comments on: Priorities Fuzzy After Davin Joseph

By: m.wesley

m.wesley — Tue, 05 Jul 2011 23:01:17 +0000

Capt.Tim,you are right we never will om that one but lockout should be over by Aug.and I wil be in Williamsburg at Bush Garden Europe with the kids would love to have a drink with you on me to soften the blow when he leaves

By: Capt.Tim

Capt.Tim — Tue, 05 Jul 2011 22:16:39 +0000

It’s all about their assignments, Mike. Ruud plays a zone, Black plays a gap. Black was the designated blitzer, and didn’t get it done. Ruud is a zone pass defender, and shut down the tightened and RBs in the middle crossing zone. Our MLB can’t lay crushing hits on anyone, because if he misses, it 6 points. Gotta wrap’em up.

But we aren’t gonna agree on this one, Mike, so we’ll see what happens when they leave.

By: m.wesley

m.wesley — Tue, 05 Jul 2011 16:16:28 +0000

Black not making sacks when he is put in position too is about the same as Ruud always in the secondary because he is in a position too make interception but we were burnt by tightends and just like Black didnt make sacks Ruud didnt make ints.and Black does shed blocks better than Ruud but than again Ruud is a diffrent kind of middlelinebacker that shouldnt have to fight through blocks ,shouldnt have to make violent hits shouldnt make interceptions.Like I said before if he was a quarterback he would pass for 5000 yards a season with 2 touchdowns 20 ints and Thomas and a few others would just look at the yards.

By: Capt.Tim

Capt.Tim — Tue, 05 Jul 2011 11:46:17 +0000

Read Steve White’s later assessment of that situation.

Coach Morris left Black in a position of facing either the FB or the RB. In the NFL, that’s considered a free run. Black got stopped EVERY TIME. Everyone expected Black to succeed in that role. His inability to beat ANY block may be the biggest disappointment of last season. Because they build the pas rush for him to be free. They really thought he’d get 15 sacks.

That’s why you draft great players, not great stats. He looks the part, but Thomas is right. It’s Quincy Jane Black. Brought new meaning to the word soft last year. Foster is an angry young man. He’ll fix that problem.

By: Brandon

Brandon — Tue, 05 Jul 2011 11:29:42 +0000

M. Wesley, good point but you forgot about Urlacher and Ray Lewis starting at MLB as rookies and doing well also. WIthout as much offseason contact it may be extremely hard for any rookie to start this season… but if the problem is getting the defense in the right play, the helmet headset has pretty much eliminated that problem.

By: Brandon

Brandon — Tue, 05 Jul 2011 11:26:35 +0000

Jonny, Black is should not be completely without pass rush moves. Though I agree with you about perhaps he should be blitzed more and not that line-up on the line-of-scrimmage two-point stance rush from the 3-3 that we’ve seen, but Black played DE in junior college..so he shouldn’t be that bad at it. That being said, most successful blitzes come from the element of surprise, and it isn’t very surprising to see Black come when he lines up directly next to one of the DEs from a two-point blitzing stance.

Personally, I feel that a player with Black’s speed, athleticism, and striking ability, he needs to be given more freedom to escape the fray at the LOS and use his speed to shoot gaps and make plays sideline to sideline, not battle the TE play-after-play trying to keep the action inside of him for the MLB and WLB to make the plays.

By: Jonny

Jonny — Tue, 05 Jul 2011 04:15:56 +0000

Capt. Tim, did you read Steve White’s articles where he was begging for Rah to not use Black as a pass rusher, but use him as a blitzer instead? Yeah, there is a huge difference between the two even though getting to the QB is the ultimate goal. Q.Black, a guy that has been a safety/MLB hybrid in College cannot magically develop pass rush moves and beat NFL RTs, be he can certainly blitz the QB and disrupt passing which he did in the minimal times he was used as a blitzer.

By: m.wesley

m.wesley — Tue, 05 Jul 2011 02:29:17 +0000

Thomas im not as well spoken as you i am not a coach but I would love to hear you explain how the d-line is responsible for Ruud not laying a solid hit on a running back that breaks out of the backfield and not responsible for Black not being able to get to the QB?When I played football the rush came in from a linebacker because the d-line took up all the blockers,but im getting it if Mccoy would have done a better job than Ruud would have been hitting harder,he would have had more interceptions,because that is his specialty,he would have had more violent hits,that damn Mccoy!I dont hear Mr.Brooks saying anything bad about any of our linebackers,I think you want Ruud here because he will not be physical just so Morris can fail.I dont know who will be here but Watson,Mackenzie, hayes, foster,Black ,Hayward are here and preparing to make violent statements.I dont know about rookie mlbs. not doing well but I seem to remember Mayo Willis Beason and quite a few others doing fine,Ronde says Mackenzie is just like a coach and if I recall played very physical despite Mccoy but you only quote someone if it benifits you nonesense,W.T.F is so great about Ruud?

By: Brandon

Brandon — Tue, 05 Jul 2011 01:40:24 +0000

Thomas,

This is the only rebuttal Joe offered: “Second, the Bucs don’t play the Tampa-2 of old, so your comparisons are out the window.”… and that’s not true. The coverages and the propensity to play man coverage are the major differences between this version of the Tampa-2 and the old ones. The LB and DL play is pretty much the same… one-gap up front with each player assigned a gap and having designated responsibilities.

Thomas, Joe could have said anything he wanted, even if it had nothing to do with Black’s football ability, like in parts 1, 3, and 4 and you would have agreed with it. That’s fine. I don’t expect you to understand. You were probably one of those that thought Paris Warren would be an All-Pro or that we needed to draft a LT for the past 4 years despite having Donald Penn. Believe what you want.

Joe, this is what you said about Black, “Black started just 10 games last year and was off the field for some of the Bucs’ best defensive efforts. He’s not a standout in pass coverage, and the run defense has been woeful in the two years Black has been starting. And Joe keeps coming back to Mark Dominik paying Angelo Crowell handsomely in free agency to play Black’s position in 2009.”

Never in there was a question about his durability, just saying his run defense “has been woeful”. And if his durability has come into question because he broke his arm and missed the first 4 games of his 4-year career due to injury, why is that? It was a freak accident, and has not suffered any other significant injuries in the past, how does that raise a question about his durability?

By: StartTheEffinSeason

StartTheEffinSeason — Tue, 05 Jul 2011 00:44:07 +0000

It is high time for the NFL and players to get this show on the road!

Geno, Quincy and Barrett are at least excellent backups.

The Bucs have a ton of money to get to the floor.

The Bucs management and ownership promised to re-sign their own players vice signing other free agents.

The Bucs have a NEED to get better on defense and bringing back solid backups definitely help that area get better. So sign the damn LBs for the love of God.

Football needs to start this week… As in free agency.

By: Thomas 2.2

Thomas 2.2 — Mon, 04 Jul 2011 23:22:08 +0000

Solid argument joe in response to brandon’s nonsense. Also, I could live with working Foster into the Sam linebacker position – I dont expect any dropoff from quincy “jane” black. Geno is young but very undisciplined, I expect Dekoda to be a better more solid pro.

By: BigMacAttack

BigMacAttack — Mon, 04 Jul 2011 22:46:39 +0000

I can’t wait until all this crap sorts itself out (hopefully) in the next month. I’m ready to move onward and upward, with these free agents or without them. Either way, I think we’re going to have an awesome team.

I’m saddened however that we lost Gagne & Bergenheim.