With Ruud goneand Talib suspended, Raheem is gonna be fully exposed. This is actually best for the Bucs long term… because this would isolate Rah as the weakest link. The quicker his demise happens, the quicker the Buccaneers can get a real coach to coach this team.

Again, Raheem said he wants Ruud, and the Ruud haters dont want to bring Ruud back. You would think those guys would side with Rah since they love him so much.

The truer statement about Ruud most likely is, he doesnt WANT to come back to Tampa mainly because of the aweful fanbase divide in Tampa. How could you blame him?

The coach who won the Super Bowl and has more wins and division titles than any other has been run out of town by the media and fans, even jesting how he should get booed on MNF. These are the same people who bash a veteran LB of 5 years with the club. This guy isnt a fan favorite, he is a fan scapegoat. Why on earth would he want to stay and play in this town with this dumbass fanbase? I dont blame him for wanting to leave.

Perhaps Shawan King and Ian Beckles should be brought in to help clean out the rest of the Bucs scapegoats. I wonder how many consecutive black outs the Bucs would have then?

Way to chase off the fan demographic that can actually afford to go to the games Glazer Boys! This is the kind of fanbase you have catered too. Nice Job. Enjoy the BLACK outs.

Again, we don’t run the Tampa 2 but a small percentage of the time now. So while I agree the MLB may not be as important in the traditional Tampa 2, that’s irrelevant because we don’t play it like we used to. And who exactly is going to pay him big money? Who is in the market for a small linebacker that is basically a glorified safety? Nobody runs a Tampa 2 anymore, definitely not exclusively. You may be right and he may get big money, but I think it will be a waste of money to use him as a MLB.

There are experts that have been saying Ruud should stay. However, there are also experts that say otherwise. This is not a fan concoction, but a media and expert one. I think the problem is you are only willing to listen to the guys that you feel are experts, because they are backing Ruud. And trust me, if he is that great of a player, they will re-sign him (because again, we don’t run a Tampa 2 that often). Maybe they will and you will be right, but if they don’t it’s not because a MLB is not important in our defense; it will be because they have found someone they feel is better.

You are entitled to your opinion, and I greatly respect it, but it is uncool to call people who disagree with you “zombies” or say they don’t know anything about football. That’s no different than Thomas calling us sheep because we like the direction of the team. We just have a difference in opinion. I am in no way saying we should throw the guy out of town, but come on, you are crazy if you think he is an elite LB (in any system). Good, yes; elite, not even close.

And yes, I do feel Talib is better at his position than Ruud, and so do many experts. Talib won an award this year as the best D-back in the league. If you think that is not legit, check the other winners, all perennial pro-bowlers. Is he great, probably not yet. But he is certainly on the door step. The only reason you don’t like Talib is because of his off the field issues, which is fine, but to say he’s not a very very good player is just false. I suggest you go back and watch some of the games, in particular Cincinnati and Arizona.

Just like the experts( and I) have been saying.

Losing Ruud will hurt this defense 10 times more than cutting Talib, who is great only in the minds of some posters here.

Just like the experts( and I) have been saying.

I normally am not that obnoxious, but this is a long running argument. I am pointing it out for the intelligent guys on here.

The Zombies will continue to insult Ruud and stroke Talib, despite the fact that no intelligent football person agrees with them. Proceding without fact or knowledge is the advantage of being a zombie, apparently

My only comment to that is that management or coaching is not going to publicly berate a player like Ruud.

Eventually, they are going to faze him out.

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Sorry buddy, I don’t think you have very good understanding of how football works (and I mean that with all due respect, I’m not trying to bash you). The captain of the defense has to be able to adjust to the alignment and adjustments of the offense. There is not a team in the league that doesn’t have their leader do this. It’s part of their job, and Ruud apparently does it very well. It has nothing to do with the defense called by the coordinator. As for the 3 man fronts, that’s common throughout the league. The only time we rush only 3 men is on obvious passing downs. We have never rushed only 3 men on a running down (I’ve watched every game this year at least twice). There are times when we lined up 3 men, but we always rushed a 4th guy (which is a 3-4 defense).

I pose to everyone this question, Raheem has stated that he does not ask the MLB to fill and attack the LOS in our system. From a management standpoint what does that sound like? We all know what the MLB in football is suppose to do. Doesn’t that sound like a manager or leader masking something? For example, I know his strengths and weakness so I won’t ask him to play downhill, instead stay away from the LOS and wrap up when given the opportunity. Morris explanations for Ruud role in the defense sounds like a manager decision rather than a coach asking a solid player to lead our defense. That’s my opinion. But if it is true, what is wrong with getting better through some mistakes that still happen? I am not afraid of change if our leaders deem it necessary. They are earning respect with their decision making to this point.

If Ruud aligned everyone in their fits, then shouldnt Raheem be at fault for calling such horribe defenes??? 3 mn fronts, yeah that will sure stop the run. Idiots.

The most qualified man in the league to make this assessment is on the Bucs staff. Mr. Shelton Quarles knows a LOT about the cover 2 and the ML and SSLB positions. Since he freakin played the positions,he is the one Dom has listened to for sure.

I think he has been a decent player for us in Tampa, but I don’t think any of us have every thought of him as great, certainly not pro-bowl level. So who would pay big money for that type of player? I would say Washington or Dallas, but I don’t think he’s a big enough name for them. It doesn’t sound like he’s coming back to Tampa, but I just don’t get why he is expected to be paid like a top tier LB, when he isn’t a top tier LB.