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		<title>By: Hawaiian Buc</title>
		<link>http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=47150&#038;cpage=1#comment-392048</link>
		<dc:creator>Hawaiian Buc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Apr 2011 08:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is no doubt we can win without Talib.  Besides Freeman, I don&#039;t think any one player is that important where we can&#039;t win without him. He&#039;s not yet an ELITE CB.  But in absolutely no way shape or form are we better without Talib.  That&#039;s just silly talk!  Take him away in the Arizona and Cincinnati games - do we win?  Probably not.  That&#039;s 2 games and the difference between going 10-6 and 8-8.  Of course it&#039;s all speculation, but I sure like our chances better with him on the field than not.  But that&#039;s just me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no doubt we can win without Talib.  Besides Freeman, I don&#8217;t think any one player is that important where we can&#8217;t win without him. He&#8217;s not yet an ELITE CB.  But in absolutely no way shape or form are we better without Talib.  That&#8217;s just silly talk!  Take him away in the Arizona and Cincinnati games &#8211; do we win?  Probably not.  That&#8217;s 2 games and the difference between going 10-6 and 8-8.  Of course it&#8217;s all speculation, but I sure like our chances better with him on the field than not.  But that&#8217;s just me.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Dutcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete Dutcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Apr 2011 06:27:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@JT4ya
Not forgetting, just remembering that we needed a CB before this Talib mess. We still needed someone on the opposite side. We still do.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@JT4ya<br />
Not forgetting, just remembering that we needed a CB before this Talib mess. We still needed someone on the opposite side. We still do.</p>
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		<title>By: JT4ya</title>
		<link>http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=47150&#038;cpage=1#comment-391875</link>
		<dc:creator>JT4ya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Apr 2011 06:09:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Reading all the posts here and it&#039;s shocking how quick everyone forgot that we drafted Myron Lewis last year and at the end of the year he was starting to look real good.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading all the posts here and it&#8217;s shocking how quick everyone forgot that we drafted Myron Lewis last year and at the end of the year he was starting to look real good.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=47150&#038;cpage=1#comment-391380</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Apr 2011 00:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pete:

Oh, dear lord. Joe, are you actually going to sit there and suggest that Talib is the reason for those losses????

Talk about twisting words! :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pete:</p>
<p>Oh, dear lord. Joe, are you actually going to sit there and suggest that Talib is the reason for those losses????</p>
<p>Talk about twisting words! <img src='http://www.joebucsfan.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Pete Dutcher</title>
		<link>http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=47150&#038;cpage=1#comment-391368</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete Dutcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Apr 2011 00:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And while on the subject of stats, for years stat geeks have beentold stats do not matter. It&#039;s what a guy does on the field that counts.

That&#039;s bull.

If Warren Sapp had only 3 sacks per year, don&#039;t tell me people would not have wanted him cut.

If Styles White had more sacks, would you still want him cut?

Please.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And while on the subject of stats, for years stat geeks have beentold stats do not matter. It&#8217;s what a guy does on the field that counts.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s bull.</p>
<p>If Warren Sapp had only 3 sacks per year, don&#8217;t tell me people would not have wanted him cut.</p>
<p>If Styles White had more sacks, would you still want him cut?</p>
<p>Please.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Dutcher</title>
		<link>http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=47150&#038;cpage=1#comment-391342</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete Dutcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Apr 2011 00:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;buckeyebob Says: 

April 27th, 2011 at 12:47 pm 
Per Rah “Stats are for losers “
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And it&#039;s amazing how many stats throws out there when the Bucs are winning. Methinks that statement was wrong.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>buckeyebob Says: </p>
<p>April 27th, 2011 at 12:47 pm<br />
Per Rah “Stats are for losers “
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<p>And it&#8217;s amazing how many stats throws out there when the Bucs are winning. Methinks that statement was wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Dutcher</title>
		<link>http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=47150&#038;cpage=1#comment-391332</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete Dutcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Apr 2011 00:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One more stat...of the 10 wins last year, Talib played in 6 of them. 6 of 10.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more stat&#8230;of the 10 wins last year, Talib played in 6 of them. 6 of 10.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Dutcher</title>
		<link>http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=47150&#038;cpage=1#comment-391324</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete Dutcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Apr 2011 00:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Yet Joe has seen with his own eyes the Bucs win games without Talib. And Joe has yet to see Talib play in a Pro Bowl. Is Talib talented? Darn right. But will the Bucs crumble and become the Yucs without Talib? Joe isn’t buying that.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Oh, dear lord. Joe, are you actually going to sit there and suggest that Talib is the reason for those losses????

And no Pro Bowl??? Come on now, you know the Bucs players have been snubbed in recent years from the Pro Bowl, with only the rare occasion being more than an alternate.

I&#039;m sorry, Joe, but this is creative journalism. You are trying to find ways to justify cutting Talib, and you are bending the facts to suit your agenda in this.

Yes, the Bucs have won games. But of the games they&#039;ve lost, how often was talib the cause or in how many of those games did he not give 100%?

So don&#039;t sit there and try to make people think Talib was the cause of those losses. And even though that is not what you said directly, you certainly are inferring it.

&lt;blockquote&gt;So which is it, does the secondary stink like a used septic tank without Talib, or does the team win without him?

Joe, like many reasoned Bucs fans, will clearly take the 4-1 mark.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Clearly you are trying to suggest that readers/fans have to choose between one or the other. That&#039;s not the case. They can easily have both.

And, as long as you are tossing out stats, why not pull up all the games Talib played in? Why edit the list?

The truth is, the Bucs went &lt;b&gt;6-5 WITH Talib&lt;/b&gt; in the games he played in. They had a WINNING RECORD WITH HIM.

Or how about him having 6 of 19 picks for the Bucs last year? Or the fact that Ronde only had half that many, Grimm only had 1/3 that many and the rest of the team picks? All by a differnt person each time.

Or how about the fact that Talib scored 1/3 of the TDs off Interceptions last year?

Come on now...if you want to use stats, use them all, don&#039;t pick a small sampling of games because they suit your agenda.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Yet Joe has seen with his own eyes the Bucs win games without Talib. And Joe has yet to see Talib play in a Pro Bowl. Is Talib talented? Darn right. But will the Bucs crumble and become the Yucs without Talib? Joe isn’t buying that.
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<p>Oh, dear lord. Joe, are you actually going to sit there and suggest that Talib is the reason for those losses????</p>
<p>And no Pro Bowl??? Come on now, you know the Bucs players have been snubbed in recent years from the Pro Bowl, with only the rare occasion being more than an alternate.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry, Joe, but this is creative journalism. You are trying to find ways to justify cutting Talib, and you are bending the facts to suit your agenda in this.</p>
<p>Yes, the Bucs have won games. But of the games they&#8217;ve lost, how often was talib the cause or in how many of those games did he not give 100%?</p>
<p>So don&#8217;t sit there and try to make people think Talib was the cause of those losses. And even though that is not what you said directly, you certainly are inferring it.</p>
<blockquote><p>So which is it, does the secondary stink like a used septic tank without Talib, or does the team win without him?</p>
<p>Joe, like many reasoned Bucs fans, will clearly take the 4-1 mark.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Clearly you are trying to suggest that readers/fans have to choose between one or the other. That&#8217;s not the case. They can easily have both.</p>
<p>And, as long as you are tossing out stats, why not pull up all the games Talib played in? Why edit the list?</p>
<p>The truth is, the Bucs went <b>6-5 WITH Talib</b> in the games he played in. They had a WINNING RECORD WITH HIM.</p>
<p>Or how about him having 6 of 19 picks for the Bucs last year? Or the fact that Ronde only had half that many, Grimm only had 1/3 that many and the rest of the team picks? All by a differnt person each time.</p>
<p>Or how about the fact that Talib scored 1/3 of the TDs off Interceptions last year?</p>
<p>Come on now&#8230;if you want to use stats, use them all, don&#8217;t pick a small sampling of games because they suit your agenda.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Dutcher</title>
		<link>http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=47150&#038;cpage=1#comment-391292</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete Dutcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Apr 2011 23:57:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Ah, but here’s the key number: In the five games Aqib Talib didn’t play, the Bucs were 4-1.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Ah, but it wasn&#039;t because Talib wasn&#039;t doing his job, was it? Clearly, he was not the reason they lost games.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Ah, but here’s the key number: In the five games Aqib Talib didn’t play, the Bucs were 4-1.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Ah, but it wasn&#8217;t because Talib wasn&#8217;t doing his job, was it? Clearly, he was not the reason they lost games.</p>
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		<title>By: espo</title>
		<link>http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=47150&#038;cpage=1#comment-391081</link>
		<dc:creator>espo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Apr 2011 21:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Joe’s waiting for the spreadsheeters to come out with a stat about the number of times a right-handed first baseman farts at the plate facing a lefty throwing in a day game.&quot;

Its twice as bad in Texas



Talib makes us better, hands down. No, we won&#039;t be the Yucs without him, but why go there if we don&#039;t have to?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Joe’s waiting for the spreadsheeters to come out with a stat about the number of times a right-handed first baseman farts at the plate facing a lefty throwing in a day game.&#8221;</p>
<p>Its twice as bad in Texas</p>
<p>Talib makes us better, hands down. No, we won&#8217;t be the Yucs without him, but why go there if we don&#8217;t have to?</p>
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		<title>By: Jonny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Apr 2011 20:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@DAVE

Could you show me any sources that mention Talib being a sore thumb in the locker room?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@DAVE</p>
<p>Could you show me any sources that mention Talib being a sore thumb in the locker room?</p>
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		<title>By: Colby</title>
		<link>http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=47150&#038;cpage=1#comment-390843</link>
		<dc:creator>Colby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Apr 2011 19:51:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Arguably our best defensive player is about to leave and some are supporting this? He isn&#039;t convicted of anything. Does anyone really think that with Grimm (slow/not a coverage guy), Sean Jones (average), EJ Biggers (up and coming guy but where does he cap off), and Ronde (45 years old) we will be able to keep up with anyone, especially without a pass rush?

If we do actually plan on getting rid of Talib, I pray we snatch up Ras-I or Johnny Patrick in the 2nd.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arguably our best defensive player is about to leave and some are supporting this? He isn&#8217;t convicted of anything. Does anyone really think that with Grimm (slow/not a coverage guy), Sean Jones (average), EJ Biggers (up and coming guy but where does he cap off), and Ronde (45 years old) we will be able to keep up with anyone, especially without a pass rush?</p>
<p>If we do actually plan on getting rid of Talib, I pray we snatch up Ras-I or Johnny Patrick in the 2nd.</p>
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