Comments on: Aqib Talib’s Innocence Or Guilt Not A Factor

By: Joe

Joe — Wed, 27 Apr 2011 02:54:16 +0000

BamBamBuc:

I disagree. I’ve never been much of an NBA fan, but when it became a game of street ball with a bunch of thugs playing and getting in trouble when they weren’t playing, I went from not being much of a fan to absolutely hating the league.

Sounds like Joe! Joe used to be a big NBA fan but about the time Michael Jordan started his schtick and the game became more of a street/playground league, Joe became grossly disenchanted with the league and washed his hands of it.

Honestly, Joe hasn’t watched 15 minutes of the NBA in 15 years. Joe would be hard-pressed to name five NBA players. Seriously.

By: BigMacAttack

BigMacAttack — Wed, 27 Apr 2011 01:53:24 +0000

BamBam, I respectfully disagree, although I totally see your point of view. I think it should be the Owners’ responsibility to discipline their players. When it gets to the point that “Thuggish” behavior is eating into their profits, they will be forced to take action. And yes I think they should, as individual teams, take action anyway, but one single entity should not be Judge, Jury and Executioner for 1800 players. I could see having a panel of 9 former players and coaches, similar to our Supreme Court. 4 liberal, 4 conservative, and 1 swing vote. Although I am a Fiscal Conservative, I have liberal views, especially when it comes to liberties, freedom, and Govt interference in our lives, much like John Stossel. As far as the NBA goes, I had to quit watching it about 20 years ago, because of the dad-gum refs. They are the most corrupt, hater, cheating, betting, incompetent scum on the planet. I played basketball for many many years, 24/7/365 and know it well. Every time I try to watch the Magic now, the refs pick on Dwight Howard and call fouls that they don’t call on his opponent. I hate it. If you call it tight, great, but call it both ways. If you’re going to let them play, let both teams play and don’t call one team(Magic) for BS fouls when you let the other team (Celtics) get away with murder on the court. I swear if you get within 5′ of King James they will call a foul on you, and a tech for raising your eyebrows. All hail the king.

By: BamBamBuc

BamBamBuc — Wed, 27 Apr 2011 01:25:14 +0000

I disagree. I’ve never been much of an NBA fan, but when it became a game of street ball with a bunch of thugs playing and getting in trouble when they weren’t playing, I went from not being much of a fan to absolutely hating the league. This is what Goodell is there for, to keep the image of the NFL from being tarnished and promote the league in the best possible light. He represents all 32 owners, every coach and player. When one is out of line, it’s his job to get him back in line. That’s what the commissioner does. Organizes rules for everyone to follow for the betterment of the game. A player does not have to break the law to damage the NFL.

By: Hawaiian Buc

Hawaiian Buc — Tue, 26 Apr 2011 21:35:47 +0000

@BigMacAttack,

Agree 110%.. The warden is out of control and needs to be stopped.

By: BigMacAttack

BigMacAttack — Tue, 26 Apr 2011 20:28:24 +0000

I agree with you about not humiliating your boss, even when he’s wrong, because he is still the boss, but if he belittles you in front of the entire company and he is clearly wrong (like a ref on national TV) then it is the American way to come out guns a blazing. See my problem is that Goodell doesn’t sign anyone’s check, and should not be considered anyone’s boss, Chauffeur maybe, but not boss. The Coach’s boss is the team owner, which in most instances probably agree’s with the Coach being upset about a terrible call. Still if that team owner chooses to discipline the Coach, then it is totally in his realm of authority as a boss, but the Commissioner, I don’t feel should have that authority, as Judge, Jury and Executioner. Employee drug laws are a little complex when it comes to termination verses getting the employee help and rehabilitation. Although I think T Jax is stupid and let his team down, I don’t think the punishment fits the crime. I just think what happens on the job should be dealt with on the job. What happens on your own time is your own damn business as long as doesn’t affect your job performance. T Jax can probably play safety better stoned than most safeties can straight up sober. I think T Jax should have been forced into a mandatory drug program with bi-weekly testing, and only should have missed game while in treatment. Again, I don’t see how what Ben R or Aqib did affects their job performance in any way. If Ray Lewis shot someone, that is for the courts to decide and discipline, not Roger Goodell. With him, everybody is guilty, based on speculation and innuendo alone. It goes against every principle our Country was built on.

By: gitarlvr

gitarlvr — Tue, 26 Apr 2011 19:24:20 +0000

Could be a total smokescreen. Atlanta and New Orleans both want DE’s just like Tampa. Its in Tampa’s best interest for those teams to think they are taking a CB at #20 to dissuade them from trying to trade ahead of the Bucs to nab a DE the covet. I wouldn’t be shocked if they sat down with Stroud behind closed doors and asked him to spread this rumor as a smokescreen in exchange for future considerations.

By: McBuc

McBuc — Tue, 26 Apr 2011 17:15:09 +0000

BigMac, I do agree with you, but most companies frown upon public ridecule from employees. I can disagree with my boss, but I am not going to go out and post it on an email listserve. I totally agree that if you are not guilty you should not be in league trouble either…

On another note, TJ failed a drug test, so that is a bit different. Did Ben R ever go to criminal court? It seems as though the last case was dropped, but he still was punished with a five game suspension. I could be wrong though.

By: BigMacAttack

BigMacAttack — Tue, 26 Apr 2011 16:31:43 +0000

Although I condemned Aqib when this story first broke, and do feel he has serious issues anyway, the NFL Commissioner sucks out loud. I hate this guy with a passion, he that thinks he is above the laws of our land. If the Bucs want to cut Aqib, that is their business, however if a Court/Grand Jury exonerates Talib, then I feel Goodell should be barred from doing anything whatsoever to Aqib. He should not trump our legal system. It is total BS and I would love to see Talib, or somebody, anybody, sue the living crap out of Goodell, PERSONALLY, win or lose and force him to spend all the funds required to defend it for as long as it takes, including a very lengthy discovery period involving every player that Goodell has fined or suspended during his tenure. This Clown has overstepped his bounds time and again, and I’m sick of it and him. So Talib is what he it, but Roger Goodell is a complete POS! I also hate the fact that they fine Coaches and players for speaking out against the refs or the league. Regardless of what their NFL BS Rules say, it is a direct violation of the players and coaches right to free speech. It’s BS. I hate them all. In My Very Humble Opinion.

By: Chris FWC :)

Chris FWC :) — Tue, 26 Apr 2011 14:30:36 +0000

STOP! Or my Mom will shoot!

By: Atrain WD40

Atrain WD40 — Tue, 26 Apr 2011 14:15:31 +0000

If we are supposed to be so concerned with character then why is White Ben still playing, I think White Bens offenses trump Talib’s by far. Ray Lewis got away with murder don’t forget.

By: Ian

Ian — Tue, 26 Apr 2011 14:14:02 +0000

“Just the fact that Talib was present where gunfire was discharged and a man was (allegedly) pistol whipped is enough for Goodell to hammer Talib with an ugly suspension”

I have a hard time believing that just being at the same location where a crime is committed is grounds for being fired. Especially when it’s proven that said player took no part in the crime and may have been a victim himself. You simply can not be suspended for that.
There are a lot of people making a lot of strange assumptions in this case.

“the mere fact Talib, …, was even involved in an incident with a gun didn’t exactly flatter the NFL or the Bucs.”

Whose fault is that though? It was the very writers themselves who declared him guilty before even one witness spoke up. Those same writers decided he was guilty and have already assigned him punishment. And now those same writers are trying their best to justify their opinions that even IF he is innocent that somehow he must be guilty of “not being flattering” – just because it makes for a good story.

By: Hunter

Hunter — Tue, 26 Apr 2011 14:09:36 +0000

@Atrain WD40: I agree 100%……The point of the game is to win football games not friends…