Comments on: Mark Ingram Would Be “Value” For The Bucs?

By: Tom

Tom — Mon, 28 Feb 2011 06:03:02 +0000

gotbbucs

7 of the past 12 SB winning teams did not start a QB they drafted in Rd 1. So if the QB position, the most important in all of football and sports hasn’t trended above the 50% clip in the past 12 years you’re going to have to find the “missing link” position that does. Your point is otherwise moot. It’s also an entirely separate one from the one I made.

I tend to think a really good team will win the super bowl…you know, the one with a lot of very good players on it. It helps to have those in as many positions as possible. I guess that’s why it helps to know the odds of success ahead of time. Like the fact that if LaGarrette Blount rushes for 9,000 more yards over his career he’ll be the first player in NFL history drafted outside of the first 3 rounds to do so and only the 5th person outside of round 1. Seems like elite company to me.

By: gotbbucs

gotbbucs — Mon, 28 Feb 2011 03:42:14 +0000

Since 2000, I could think of only three teams that have actually drafted RB’s in round 1 and then won a Super Bowl. The Ravens with Jamal Lewis, the Colts with Joseph Addia, and the Saints with Reggie Bush. Jerome Bettis doesn’t count with the Steelers, they didn’t draft him and the Rams didn’t draft Marshal Faulk.
Based on production, I would say that only Lewis lived up to his 1st round billing and that’s only because he had one year with 2000 yards, after that he was garbage.

By: Capt. Troll killer Tim

Capt. Troll killer Tim — Mon, 28 Feb 2011 03:15:37 +0000

Thomas 2.2 – you last few post have been civil and intelligent. Cool . I hope it’s a permanent change! I didnt agree with everything, but that doesn’t matter.they were something to think about, and discuss.
I hope I don’t regret this later. Welcome back from your ski trip.

By: Tom

Tom — Mon, 28 Feb 2011 02:07:33 +0000

gotbbucs

Since 2000 5 of the past 12 (42%) SB Winners had 1st round RBs.

Since 2000 5 of the past 12 (42%) SB Winners had 1st round QBs.

The Patriots won 4 and Bucs 1 super bowl without either.

By: gotbbucs

gotbbucs — Mon, 28 Feb 2011 01:29:21 +0000

thats good tom, now look up how many super bowls the teams that have drafted rb’s in the 1st round in the last ten years have won. i dont know the answer but im interested to know.

By: Tom

Tom — Mon, 28 Feb 2011 01:27:56 +0000

Sorry that is 21 out of the top 25 (84%)

The 4 RB’s in the top 25 who didn’t go in Rd 1 are Curtis Martin (Rd 3), Thurman Thomas (Rd 2), Ricky Watters (Rd 3) and Corey Dillon (Rd 2).

Sounds like a pretty good correlation to me.

By: Tom

Tom — Mon, 28 Feb 2011 01:20:20 +0000

For those who believe that RB’s are a dime a dozen…

The TOP 25 career rushers in NFL history have run for over 10,000 yards. 22 out of those 25 players (88%) were drafted in round 1.

Now find me another position that can say the same thing.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/rush_yds_career.htm

My argument is not that we should draft Ingram but rather the people who think good/great RB’s can be found everywhere don’t know a thing about NFL history or it’s present. Learn something.

By: Dave

Dave — Mon, 28 Feb 2011 00:38:51 +0000

For a team that has Blount, a possible speed guy in Huggins and a vet, 3rd down guy in Caddy…

Taking a RB in roun1-4 would be absolutely a WASTE

By: 2 Buc Bill

2 Buc Bill — Sun, 27 Feb 2011 23:58:15 +0000

always take the best player on the board. i would love for them to go OL though, maybe Carimi if he’s still there. the thing is, if one of Ingram’s teammates (who plays WR) falls to 20, i think you pull the trigger, although after his impressive combine, he probably won’t fall that far

By: Teddy

Teddy — Sun, 27 Feb 2011 23:30:36 +0000

I’ve always maintained that a team should never draft a RB or a CB (at least in a predominantly zone defense like we play) in the first round. For defenses that rely on heavy man-to-man, you need to find guys like Darrell Revis, Nnamdi Asomugha and Champ Bailey, and those guys don’t grow on trees.

Don’t get me wrong. I’ve been pleased with the play of Aqib Talib (on the field), but I think we may end up getting just as good of production down the line out of Myron Lewis (third round) and E.J. Biggers (seventh round). For crying out loud, the best DBs we’ve ever had were Ronde (third round), Brian Kelly (second) and Donnie Abraham (fourth).

Back on point, the recent numbers don’t lie. The league’s top RBs don’t typically come from the first round. However, their lineman typically do, and that’s where we need to focus. OL. DL. And then LB.

By: RastaMon

RastaMon — Sun, 27 Feb 2011 22:30:59 +0000

“Joe Says:

February 27th, 2011 at 6:05 pm
Tom:

Snook is right. Running backs are a dime a dozen.”

rewind to this past years Play Offs

it were RB’s that made the game defining plays….game after game
the Bucs barely have a running game…Blount is not nearly a complete RB and if he continues to leap/hurdle he’ll be leaving the field giving a thumbs up to the fans on the back of a golf cart…

By: Snook

Snook — Sun, 27 Feb 2011 22:14:55 +0000

Tom Says:
February 27th, 2011 at 3:10 pm
Snook, you can say the same thing about QB right?

The point is that if your going to say the RB position is a “dime a dozen” then why are the consensus 4 best RB’s of all time and two best RB’s in the past few years all 1st rounders. Seems like a losing argument.

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Except we’re not talking about QBs here.

We’re talking RBs and the Bucs here. Not running backs from the 1960s or 1990s.

Was Cadillac Williams worth a 1st round pick?

Top 3 rushers in 2010:
Foster – undrafted
Charles – 3rd round
Turner – 5th round

Only 4 of the top 10 rushers in 2010 are 1st rounders.

Your argument is flawed. Especially in today when teams are using two RBs and not just one.

RBs are easy to find in late rounds. Do you really need examples? Why waste a #1 pick on a guy and pay him big money when you can find guys like Blount or Jamaal Charles, or Peyton Hillis or Ahmad Bradshaw?

RBs aren’t QBs. They don’t run the entire offense.