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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=33973&#038;cpage=1#comment-83859</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2010 03:01:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The worst thing about this site is that if a post isn&#039;t on the front page, it pretty much dies :-/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The worst thing about this site is that if a post isn&#8217;t on the front page, it pretty much dies :-/</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=33973&#038;cpage=1#comment-82568</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Aug 2010 12:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Joe, look at the skill position starters in 2008:
Jeff Garcia, 38
Antonio Bryant, 27
Joey Galloway, 37
Warrick Dunn, 33
Jerramy Stevens, 28

Defense:
Kevin Carter, 35
Ryan Sims, 28
Chris Hovan, 30 
Derrick Brooks, 35
Cato June, 29
Ronde Barber, 33
Phillip Buchanon, 28

Aside from Barber, Brooks, and maybe Bryant, which of those players were potential Pro  Bowlers to be excited about? Which did you think then might be on the team in 2010?

I&#039;ll wait.

Our starting roster was filled with players who were either on their second or third team (everyone but Brooks and Barber), at the twilight of their career (Garcia, Galloway, Dunn, Brooks, Carter, Barber) or who were obviously marginal players who may not start elsewhere (Stevens, Sims, Hovan, June, Buchanon).

The only hope for the future in 2008 was Talib, Jackson, and the promising offensive line (which is still just &#039;promising&#039;). Mostly, it was &#039;well, Gruden is a good coach, he&#039;ll figure something out&#039;.

I&#039;d take the 2010 roster over the 2008 roster any day, not just because of talent, but also because of promise for the future, which the 2010 roster has.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe, look at the skill position starters in 2008:<br />
Jeff Garcia, 38<br />
Antonio Bryant, 27<br />
Joey Galloway, 37<br />
Warrick Dunn, 33<br />
Jerramy Stevens, 28</p>
<p>Defense:<br />
Kevin Carter, 35<br />
Ryan Sims, 28<br />
Chris Hovan, 30<br />
Derrick Brooks, 35<br />
Cato June, 29<br />
Ronde Barber, 33<br />
Phillip Buchanon, 28</p>
<p>Aside from Barber, Brooks, and maybe Bryant, which of those players were potential Pro  Bowlers to be excited about? Which did you think then might be on the team in 2010?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll wait.</p>
<p>Our starting roster was filled with players who were either on their second or third team (everyone but Brooks and Barber), at the twilight of their career (Garcia, Galloway, Dunn, Brooks, Carter, Barber) or who were obviously marginal players who may not start elsewhere (Stevens, Sims, Hovan, June, Buchanon).</p>
<p>The only hope for the future in 2008 was Talib, Jackson, and the promising offensive line (which is still just &#8216;promising&#8217;). Mostly, it was &#8216;well, Gruden is a good coach, he&#8217;ll figure something out&#8217;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d take the 2010 roster over the 2008 roster any day, not just because of talent, but also because of promise for the future, which the 2010 roster has.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
		<link>http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=33973&#038;cpage=1#comment-82369</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Aug 2010 00:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I recently was contacted about my intentions to travel to Tampa for games through a team rep on Facebook. My support for the team is unquestionable, as I watch religiously, and have an office decked out in red,pewter and orange (my wife avoids it like crazy)........ My reason for lack of attendance to RJ for games is simply cost. For us to go, we have to load up a car with us, the kids and travel 6 hours just get there....... 2 adults, 5 kids with decent tix at $75 apiece is already past $500......then food gas, overpriced soveneirs,before you know it, close to$1000 for 3 to 4 hours. Not bad if I make the league minimum, but I make about12% of what the WORST guy on either team will make..... so imagine the hard working guy making less than me who can either buy groceries and gas OR go to RJ for the game experience. These days, that is really a no brainer]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently was contacted about my intentions to travel to Tampa for games through a team rep on Facebook. My support for the team is unquestionable, as I watch religiously, and have an office decked out in red,pewter and orange (my wife avoids it like crazy)&#8230;&#8230;.. My reason for lack of attendance to RJ for games is simply cost. For us to go, we have to load up a car with us, the kids and travel 6 hours just get there&#8230;&#8230;. 2 adults, 5 kids with decent tix at $75 apiece is already past $500&#8230;&#8230;then food gas, overpriced soveneirs,before you know it, close to$1000 for 3 to 4 hours. Not bad if I make the league minimum, but I make about12% of what the WORST guy on either team will make&#8230;.. so imagine the hard working guy making less than me who can either buy groceries and gas OR go to RJ for the game experience. These days, that is really a no brainer</p>
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		<title>By: Javier n Wimauma</title>
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		<dc:creator>Javier n Wimauma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2010 17:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This Ari guy, you are one facestious dude, let me tell you.  Although, the funny thing is, all the kool-aide drinkers drank it all up.

But no way will anyone take that bait.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This Ari guy, you are one facestious dude, let me tell you.  Although, the funny thing is, all the kool-aide drinkers drank it all up.</p>
<p>But no way will anyone take that bait.</p>
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		<title>By: Radio Mushmouth</title>
		<link>http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=33973&#038;cpage=1#comment-82050</link>
		<dc:creator>Radio Mushmouth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2010 13:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Frank , keep thinking that government is EVER going to solve your economic problems , much less successfully micro-manage a free-market of billions of people, because it will never happen. Bubbles would be impossible without fiat currency and government created inflation. Educate yourself, fool: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrQgBpcrJqo]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank , keep thinking that government is EVER going to solve your economic problems , much less successfully micro-manage a free-market of billions of people, because it will never happen. Bubbles would be impossible without fiat currency and government created inflation. Educate yourself, fool: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrQgBpcrJqo" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrQgBpcrJqo</a></p>
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		<title>By: oar</title>
		<link>http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=33973&#038;cpage=1#comment-82049</link>
		<dc:creator>oar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2010 13:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ari, &quot;Because they have pieced together two great drafts,&quot; Great? Really? Possiblly on paper? Let&#039;s see them play first shall we. Even last years players, again. Don&#039;t get me wrong, I hope they excell and show it on game days too, but lets be realistic shall we. I&#039;m sure the Lions fans thought they had great drafts too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ari, &#8220;Because they have pieced together two great drafts,&#8221; Great? Really? Possiblly on paper? Let&#8217;s see them play first shall we. Even last years players, again. Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I hope they excell and show it on game days too, but lets be realistic shall we. I&#8217;m sure the Lions fans thought they had great drafts too.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=33973&#038;cpage=1#comment-82031</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2010 13:12:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For me it goes back to the 05/06 playoff game vs. Redskins. As with any wildcard game, there were only a few days to get tickets and Will Call was COMPLETELY OVER-RUN with people before the game. A home playoff game and they couldn&#039;t staff more than like 4 windows. My wife and I waited inline the ENTIRE first quarter. When we got to our seats the Bucs were already in a hole and the Skins fans were breaking the wooden flags they passed out. How the Bucs didn&#039;t see this coming and couldn&#039;t staff more windows I don&#039;t know. Left me VERY diappointed. Only been back for a few regular season games since  then (from Ft. Myers).

They wanna sell tickets they should get out of their own way in the ticket/front office.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me it goes back to the 05/06 playoff game vs. Redskins. As with any wildcard game, there were only a few days to get tickets and Will Call was COMPLETELY OVER-RUN with people before the game. A home playoff game and they couldn&#8217;t staff more than like 4 windows. My wife and I waited inline the ENTIRE first quarter. When we got to our seats the Bucs were already in a hole and the Skins fans were breaking the wooden flags they passed out. How the Bucs didn&#8217;t see this coming and couldn&#8217;t staff more windows I don&#8217;t know. Left me VERY diappointed. Only been back for a few regular season games since  then (from Ft. Myers).</p>
<p>They wanna sell tickets they should get out of their own way in the ticket/front office.</p>
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		<title>By: AriToldMeTo</title>
		<link>http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=33973&#038;cpage=1#comment-82029</link>
		<dc:creator>AriToldMeTo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2010 13:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nick, the fans by and large were discouraged by Jon Gruden&#039;s poor track record with handling players, drafting and well, collecting old quarter backs.  The town was embarassed of the head coach.  Winning wasn&#039;t going to solve the town&#039;s disgust.  Jon Gruden was NO Tony Dungy, no sir.

So now, with all the talent in the world, the Buccaneers and Raheem Morris have no where to go but up.  A couple more wins and Raheem will have proven the required progress to get a stamp of confidence from Ownership, to continue this plan of youthful exuberrance (excuse my spelling :-) )!

That playoff game filled with Blue jerseys, really set the tone for this much needed youth movement.  And there is no one more cut out for this movement than the General Manager and the current day Head Coach, Mr Raheem Morris.  For these youthful leaders understand these younger athletes.  They get it.  They know exactly how to talk to them and not upset them.  They understand them.  And even though the overall record of 2009 didn&#039;t seem promising on the surface, when you cut away the Jim Bate&#039;s debacle, and discount some of the tougher, close loses and turn them into opportunities of improvement and promise, that coupled with winning 2 of the last 3, these young guys have these young fully prepaired to grow into NFL ready players sometime this season.  The plan is in place, the youth will net us hope.  And let me tell you, I&#039;d rather have hope and close games (win or lose) than have Jon Gruden winning with no hope at all!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick, the fans by and large were discouraged by Jon Gruden&#8217;s poor track record with handling players, drafting and well, collecting old quarter backs.  The town was embarassed of the head coach.  Winning wasn&#8217;t going to solve the town&#8217;s disgust.  Jon Gruden was NO Tony Dungy, no sir.</p>
<p>So now, with all the talent in the world, the Buccaneers and Raheem Morris have no where to go but up.  A couple more wins and Raheem will have proven the required progress to get a stamp of confidence from Ownership, to continue this plan of youthful exuberrance (excuse my spelling <img src='http://www.joebucsfan.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  )!</p>
<p>That playoff game filled with Blue jerseys, really set the tone for this much needed youth movement.  And there is no one more cut out for this movement than the General Manager and the current day Head Coach, Mr Raheem Morris.  For these youthful leaders understand these younger athletes.  They get it.  They know exactly how to talk to them and not upset them.  They understand them.  And even though the overall record of 2009 didn&#8217;t seem promising on the surface, when you cut away the Jim Bate&#8217;s debacle, and discount some of the tougher, close loses and turn them into opportunities of improvement and promise, that coupled with winning 2 of the last 3, these young guys have these young fully prepaired to grow into NFL ready players sometime this season.  The plan is in place, the youth will net us hope.  And let me tell you, I&#8217;d rather have hope and close games (win or lose) than have Jon Gruden winning with no hope at all!</p>
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		<title>By: nick</title>
		<link>http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=33973&#038;cpage=1#comment-82023</link>
		<dc:creator>nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2010 12:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yup, I was at this playoff game. One of the most embarrassing moments in my buccaneer life. We were in the playoffs and yet Bucs fans found a way not to go to the game or sell their tix to Giants fans. No one had any opinion on the ManU thing, or the Glazers spending. And this still happened. Sad.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup, I was at this playoff game. One of the most embarrassing moments in my buccaneer life. We were in the playoffs and yet Bucs fans found a way not to go to the game or sell their tix to Giants fans. No one had any opinion on the ManU thing, or the Glazers spending. And this still happened. Sad.</p>
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		<title>By: AriToldMeTo</title>
		<link>http://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=33973&#038;cpage=1#comment-82020</link>
		<dc:creator>AriToldMeTo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2010 12:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why did ticket sales plummet?  Because Jon Gruden ran Tony Dungy&#039;s team into the mud.

Why did the Ownership fire Gruden?  Because Gruden wasn&#039;t getting it done, ending a season with 4 loses, barely coaching winning seasons with teams that seemed to get older rather than younger. What is the point of winning with no hope for the future?

Why is Raheem Morris and Mark Domminic doing a great job?  Because they have pieced together two great drafts, a young promising foundation that will lead the Bucs to many, many deep play off runs.  This young dynamic duo are the talk of the town.  Lots of people are excited about these two bright young men.  They may not have won last year early, but once they were able to cut out the Jim Bates cancer, Raheem turned this ship in the right direction.  Afterall, Raheem won the last 2 of 3 games last year.  He beat the eventual Super Bowl champions, in New Orleans to boot.  If you don&#039;t think Raheem&#039;s finish was far and away better than Gruden&#039;s finish in &#039;08, then you are just not a fan of the Buccaneers.

Gruden&#039;s last two winning seasons are in fact worse than Raheem&#039;s promising season of 2009.  Why?  Because there now is hope.  And you guys really need to let go and just trust in this foolproof plan the Ownership has in store for the Bucs.  Just relax and enjoy the ride.  For hope and an honest promise by the management will get Raheem the progress he needs to continue making his mark on this franchise and city.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why did ticket sales plummet?  Because Jon Gruden ran Tony Dungy&#8217;s team into the mud.</p>
<p>Why did the Ownership fire Gruden?  Because Gruden wasn&#8217;t getting it done, ending a season with 4 loses, barely coaching winning seasons with teams that seemed to get older rather than younger. What is the point of winning with no hope for the future?</p>
<p>Why is Raheem Morris and Mark Domminic doing a great job?  Because they have pieced together two great drafts, a young promising foundation that will lead the Bucs to many, many deep play off runs.  This young dynamic duo are the talk of the town.  Lots of people are excited about these two bright young men.  They may not have won last year early, but once they were able to cut out the Jim Bates cancer, Raheem turned this ship in the right direction.  Afterall, Raheem won the last 2 of 3 games last year.  He beat the eventual Super Bowl champions, in New Orleans to boot.  If you don&#8217;t think Raheem&#8217;s finish was far and away better than Gruden&#8217;s finish in &#8217;08, then you are just not a fan of the Buccaneers.</p>
<p>Gruden&#8217;s last two winning seasons are in fact worse than Raheem&#8217;s promising season of 2009.  Why?  Because there now is hope.  And you guys really need to let go and just trust in this foolproof plan the Ownership has in store for the Bucs.  Just relax and enjoy the ride.  For hope and an honest promise by the management will get Raheem the progress he needs to continue making his mark on this franchise and city.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2010 12:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Joe here - Matt, this is the sentence in questions, &quot;But as it relates to the Bucs, specifically, they’ve never had a problem drawing when they’re playing well.&quot;   Truth is they have had trouble when the team was good, outlined above. 

And you&#039;re going to tell me that when the Bucs were sitting at 9-3, you thought this was a patched together team of washed up has-beens? Please.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe here &#8211; Matt, this is the sentence in questions, &#8220;But as it relates to the Bucs, specifically, they’ve never had a problem drawing when they’re playing well.&#8221;   Truth is they have had trouble when the team was good, outlined above. </p>
<p>And you&#8217;re going to tell me that when the Bucs were sitting at 9-3, you thought this was a patched together team of washed up has-beens? Please.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2010 12:20:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;If they can get back to that, and do it soon, Raymond James Stadium has a CHANCE to be full yet again.&quot;

Chance, he said CHANCE. So you&#039;re making a story out of a non-issue. Of course there is a chance :P

That being said, I think you&#039;re probably right. 2-1 might not do it.

But you&#039;re damn sure that a 9-3 record, with a hot franchise QB, would generate a lot more interest than the elderly, pieced-together, little-hope-for-the-future team you referenced in 2008.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If they can get back to that, and do it soon, Raymond James Stadium has a CHANCE to be full yet again.&#8221;</p>
<p>Chance, he said CHANCE. So you&#8217;re making a story out of a non-issue. Of course there is a chance <img src='http://www.joebucsfan.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>That being said, I think you&#8217;re probably right. 2-1 might not do it.</p>
<p>But you&#8217;re damn sure that a 9-3 record, with a hot franchise QB, would generate a lot more interest than the elderly, pieced-together, little-hope-for-the-future team you referenced in 2008.</p>
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