“He Regressed Considerably”

January 7th, 2019

Chatter from New York.

Well, the Bucs finally got some essential thoughts and words from a big-shot national NFL stenographer.

It seems mock draft-scowling, L.L. Bean-wearing, Second Amendment abolitionistMike Florio-arguingparrot-insensitive, chewing-with-his-mouth-open, soup-gulping, California train-romancinganti-football proliferationouthouse-admiringairline-nappingsteerage-flyingYogi Berra-worshipingurinal picture-takingvideo game-playingTaylor Swift-listeningpickpocket-thwartingBucs-uniform-frowningAllie-LaForce-smittenBig-Ten-Network-hatingpedestrian-bumpingolive oil-lappingpopcorn-munchingcoffee-slurpingfried-chicken-eatingoatmeal-lovingcircle-jerking, craft beer-chugging, cricket-watchingscone-loathingcollege football-naïvebaseball-box-score-readingNPR-honkfilthy-hotel-stayingfight-instigatingbarista-training social activist Peter King of NBC decided to put down his craft beer while gazing at the world (which often ends at the Hudson River) from his westside Manhattan condo balcony to write extensively about the Bucs in his “Football Morning in America” column.

Extensively meaning five paragraphs.

In his tome dedicated to the Bucs, King wrote that Bruce Arians may be the best option to take America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston, to the next level. King noted something that caught Joe’s eye. King claims Jameis has regressed in his three years under Dirk Koetter.

I would be worried about Winston if I were the Bucs. He regressed considerably under Dirk Koetter, and his 3.7 percent interception rate this year (3.7 picks per 100 attempts) was his worst in four Tampa seasons. Carson Palmer, under Arians, threw the ball consistently deep downfield, and had had only a 2.6 percent interception rate as a Cardinal. Palmer told me once that one of the important things he learned as a Cardinal was when to take the big risk—most often, the risky throws would at least allow his own receiver to prevent the ball from being picked.

Joe doesn’t think King is that far off. Yeah, you could argue Jameis’ best season was his rookie season. His last two seasons have been marred by injuries and Jameis serving a three-game sentence from NFL strongman Roger Goodell over the hassle with an Arizona Uber driver.

Joe isn’t sure if Jameis has regressed but Joe sure wouldn’t argue he hasn’t. Jameis’ issue is inconsistency. For example, the last game of 2018 against Atlanta, Jameis was as sharp as he’s ever been. There’s no way you run off a guy who throws like that.

Problem is, Jameis hasn’t had enough of those games the past two seasons. Is part of it Koetter’s fault for forcing Jameis to throw deep constantly to malcontent wide receiver DeSean Jackson, who we all know wasn’t on the same page as Jameis and really didn’t want to do all he could to get on the same page as Jameis?

Was it Koetter playing Jameis while injured? Allegedly Jameis was first hurt last year in Minnesota, a charge Joe cannot get anyone to deny.

Was it Koetter panicking and benching Jameis for career journeyman backup Ryan Fitzpatrick?

Joe isn’t sure which if not all apply, but if Arians comes on board, we should learn who was the culprit.

100 Responses to ““He Regressed Considerably””

  1. Broy34 Says:

    Jameis. Is. Fine. Whoever watched the games following his benching that can’t see he figured it out didn’t watch with a brain. He’s clearly turned the corner with turnovers

  2. Bucsfaninchina Says:

    Too much piling on of DeSean Jackson. I seem to remember him having a great relationship with a Bucs QB who could actually hit him in stride once in a while.

  3. spicoli Says:

    Joe,

    This is way off topic…
    You keep calling his Uber incident as a “hassle”. A hassle is defined as an irritating inconvenience. That downplays what he did and what he admitted guilt to. I know you’re better than this.. in the words of Michael Irvin “Come’on man!”

  4. DB55 Says:

    I thought Winston first game against STL was his best with 395 and 4 tds.

  5. 813bucboi Says:

    winston has regressed…..just like many others under dirk…..

    #REALISTKNOWSNOTHING!!!!…#KRISISTHEPICK!!!!!….GO BUCS!!!!

  6. Joe Says:

    A hassle is defined as an irritating inconvenience.

    Not quite.

    Definition of hassle (Entry 1 of 2)
    1 : a heated often protracted argument : WRANGLE
    embroiling myself in a long, exasperating hassle with masons
    — S. J. Perelman
    2 : a violent skirmish : FIGHT
    3a : a state of confusion : TURMOIL
    all hassle and hurly-burly
    — Ellery Queen
    b : an annoying or troublesome concern
    avoid the hassle of filling out paperwork
    flight delays and other hassles of holiday travel
    too much of a hassle to bother with

  7. bucsnole Says:

    I tend to lean towards Koetter being stubborn and NOT designing plays to get the most out of JWs skill set. As well as the other coaches doing the same thing across the board.
    It will be interesting to see what a good coaching staff can get out of him.

  8. Kobe Faker Says:

    “So what happened to Jameis development last year? Why the possible regression?

    Kobe Faker has followed JWs career since day 1 in college. Kobe has more knowledge and understanding of JWs development than any individual anywhere. Dont want to disclose my true identity but Kobe has many years in QB coaching and development

    At 3 pm, Kobe will disclose detailed information that has not been addressed in detail for the reason of regression and the up and down season JW just had. This information has not been mentioned nationally and of course not from the lazy high schoolishish local media outlets”

    Kobe Faker

  9. SteveK Says:

    Jameis is so polarizing. Idk what we have in him. 2019 will tell, and as a Bucs fan, im tempering my expectations.

    I hope Jameis gets better this year, no more excuses.

  10. SteveK Says:

    Kobe Faker Says:
    January 7th, 2019 at 10:18 am
    “So what happened to Jameis development last year? Why the possible regression?

    Kobe Faker has followed JWs career since day 1 in college. Kobe has more knowledge and understanding of JWs development than any individual anywhere. Dont want to disclose my true identity but Kobe has many years in QB coaching and development

    At 3 pm, Kobe will disclose detailed information that has not been addressed in detail for the reason of regression and the up and down season JW just had. This information has not been mentioned nationally and of course not from the lazy high schoolishish local media outlets”

    Kobe Faker

    ——————-

    Can’t wait, Kobe! Is your previous handle “NFLNut”? Bc that guy got proved WAAAAAAAAAY wrong.

  11. DooshLaRue Says:

    I watched the Atlanta game Joe and I thought he looked ok at best.
    His accuracy was suspect and he got Godwin or Hump laid out over the middle because of poor ball placement.
    Hopefully BA can turn him around.

  12. bkgrime Says:

    Jameis was great post benching. He will be fine, y’all.

  13. stpetebucsfan Says:

    Unless JW does the unthinkable…another off field hassle in the off season…I’m very comfortable with JW for 2019.

    Arians just provides a bit of comfort.

    JW played well the last four games and I could list all the challenges like everyone else…principally OL and running game questions…but JW did NOT turn the ball over…he actually threw the ball away when he should instead of forcing a miracle….his decision making improved dramatically.

    If it is Arians he’s getting JW at just the right time. I think this year has really changed him. We’ll see.

  14. Thisisagarbageblog Says:

    Spoken like a true eight dollars an hour employee.

  15. Pete I Says:

    Well that assumes he was ever better…did he regress? He makes the same mistakes since his last year in college…

    Jameis wasn’t great post benching, he was neutered and made fewer mistakes…will that carry over? he is consistent at being inconsistent.

  16. jughead Says:

    its not just his turnovers, I’m more concerned about his inaccuracy and decision making. The problem is a coach can’t fix inaccuracy, either you have it or you don’t. He doesn’t .

  17. Pick6 Says:

    Winston’s stats aren’t sublime but they are definitely made worse by a handful of terrible outings. Not all INTs are created equal and most of the ones after the bengals game were “better”. Winston is not what worries me about the current group that the Bucs have, and the last 2 seasons have hardly been a clean statistical sample.

  18. geno711 Says:

    spicoli Says:

    January 7th, 2019 at 10:11 am

    Joe,

    This is way off topic…
    You keep calling his Uber incident as a “hassle”. A hassle is defined as an irritating inconvenience. That downplays what he did and what he admitted guilt to. I know you’re better than this.. in the words of Michael Irvin “Come’on man!”

    I agree Spicoli with your sentiments!

  19. geno711 Says:

    Joe Says:

    January 7th, 2019 at 10:15 am

    A hassle is defined as an irritating inconvenience.

    Not quite.

    Definition of hassle (Entry 1 of 2)
    1 : a heated often protracted argument : WRANGLE
    embroiling myself in a long, exasperating hassle with masons
    — S. J. Perelman
    2 : a violent skirmish : FIGHT
    3a : a state of confusion : TURMOIL
    all hassle and hurly-burly
    — Ellery Queen
    b : an annoying or troublesome concern
    avoid the hassle of filling out paperwork
    flight delays and other hassles of holiday travel
    too much of a hassle to bother with

    Joe to your point, there can be more than one definition.
    I will go with your interpretation as actually being number #2.
    A violent skirmish.

  20. T REX Says:

    Here come the WInston knob slobberers talking about the last four games of last year and then talk about games when we were already eliminated. Winston SUCKS when the games matter. You can’t prove this wrong. It’s true.

    Time to wipe the slate clean and dump these worthless fans as well.

  21. Iron Wombat Says:

    I guess you could say he regressed, since the offense abandoned the run game and started making him throw 40-50 passes a game. How many games did Jameis get the lead late in the 4th quarter than the defense then gave away?

  22. Robert Says:

    under dirk……..blah, blah, blah

    couldn’t have anything to do with him getting himself suspended then being shown up zz top of all people.

    then scrambling to try and make himself relevant and then a game with 20 mill on the line he imploded on…..

    nah, he didn’t put any of this pressure on himself.

    he dint do nuffin

  23. Tampa Bay Demon Says:

    T REX Says:
    “Time to wipe the slate clean and dump these worthless fans as well.”

    ~~~~~~~~~~~

    K… you’re first.

  24. Bucsace Says:

    I don’t see Arians saddling himself for too long with Winston if his play gets erratic like it was this season, Koetter’s job was always intertwined with Winston’s progress…..Arians won’t be boxed in by this project

  25. spicoli Says:

    My apologies Joe.

  26. doolnutts Says:

    Winston did look great against the falcons but so did just about every other QB. They were massively injured and well known as a beat down team. Heck for fantasy football purposes I made sure I started just about every RB and QB I could weekly against the Falcons.

    The great thing about Koetter no longer being here is we can no longer blame what happens to Winston on his coaching. To me this year will be simple, If Winston has a great year we will be sitting here saying firing Koetter was a great move. If Winston continues to struggle with turnovers and we say 6-10 we will then know it is Winston to blame for the past 5 years. And right or wrong it won’t all be Winstons fault but we are talking about a massive contract extension if he can’t carry the team he isn’t worth the money. But hey we are about to see and I am rooting for him because I really don’t want another rebuild.

  27. SammyRebel Says:

    Joe, I think you left out a few things up there that detail peter king but still spot on

  28. TexBuc Says:

    Winston will be fine.

    #1 rating when under pressure and outside the pocket.

    #4 rating on 3rd downs.

    Most of all underappreciated ability to operated in a dirty pocket with a lack of support from a credible running game.

    Easier to coach someone from being too aggressive than trying to coach a QB afraid of a pass rush.

  29. TexBuc Says:

    “No risk it, no biscuit”

    “You can’t live life scared”

  30. SteveK Says:

    Expectations for our #1 pick, Jameis Winston should be sky high in 2019. At what point do Bucs Fans get to experience playoffs again?

  31. Robert Says:

    crabman, I mean jamyth has outlived any expectations there should have been.

    my only expectation is when he get’s benched or injured. then we can see some progress.

  32. TexBuc Says:

    If all it takes to win super bowls is the right QB then why does Dan Marino not have a ring?

    Why does drew brees, b. favre and r. wilson only have 1 ring?

    Why cause it takes a complete team to make it.

  33. Lord Cornelius Says:

    Depends on what you’re looking at.

    Last 6.5 games were possibly the best 6.5 stretch of games in any season he’s had.

    The games coming off the suspension early were some of the worst he’s ever had.

  34. tnew Says:

    Once again. 29th Rushing attack. 27th total defense, 29th field goal percentage. Winston was 8th in QBR.

    Yeh… its all on Winston.

  35. Robert Says:

    thats just it lord……..he looks good when the season is over and/or garbage stats

    but when it matters (mid season) he folds like 7-11 toilet paper

  36. tnew Says:

    LC.. Was gonna let this pass but since people are now professing this a truth I have to step in.

    Winston only had 6.5 games after suspension.. He was brought back in during the second half of Giants game.

    Lit that half up. Played really well vs 49ers and Panthers, the next two games.

    Winston was not the issue this season. Everyone acts as if Fitz played great. He lost his last 5 starts. Yes the first two were amazing, but from then on it sucked.

    Coming down the stretch he plays exactly how everyone, including the coach says he should play. Winston decided that he wouldn’t try to win the games, just execute as told and the team loses. The Koetter plan is over and was bad.

    No telling if Winston is the guy or not. It was plain to see Koetter wasn’t at the end of last season. Thank goodness that nightmare is over.

  37. SOEbuc Says:

    Joe

    Didn’t you just do an article like yesterday where this dumba$$ said AB wasn’t a top 20 WR? That makes it official to me to not listen to this guy anymore.

  38. tnew Says:

    TexBuc… you are 100% today.

  39. Pittsshore Says:

    Arians will chew him up and spit him out. Hell, JW could not figure out Koetter playbook… how in the world will he be able to figure out Aroans???? You can’t teach dumb people to be smart. And that is what JW is: DUMB AS A WOODEN NICKLE.

  40. Dubcity06 Says:

    Jameis fans place no blame on him for his play or for the Uber incident. Sounds like it was the Commissioner Roger Goodell who did anything wrong. Yall hold everyone else accountable besides America’s QB

  41. Robert Says:

    post of the day goes to pittsshore!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  42. Pittsshore Says:

    Tnew: stats are for losers. Every stat that you comment on is becasuse the QB turns the ball over. Can’t run the ball when you are way behind. The D will be terrible if they are out in a bad situation by the idiot turning the ball over.

    AND: JW pads his stats because of a laying behind due to his turnovers AND the last 4-5 games of the season when the games are meaningless to the opposing team. It’s not rocket science.

  43. ndog Says:

    SteveK Says:

    January 7th, 2019 at 11:13 am

    Expectations for our #1 pick, Jameis Winston should be sky high in 2019. At what point do Bucs Fans get to experience playoffs again?

    That’s easy SteveK when you don’t have a bottom 5 defense, a bottom 5 running game and at least an average kicker we will have a shot at making the playoffs. Until then that is not going to happen, bottom line.

  44. Pete Mitchell Says:

    Eventually inconsistent quarterbacks become back-ups.

  45. Cgmaster27v Says:

    Shocker Peter king doesn’t like Jameis. He never has. Jameis finished number 8 in qbr, number 3 against the blitz, number 1 outside of the pocket, and in his last 6 games had 13tds and 4 picks, 2 of which were hail Mary’s. But yeah jameis has seriously regressed.

  46. TexBuc Says:

    BA also runs the 4 Vertical offense Koetter ran.

    BA just has better run blocking schemes.

    Winston would just have to learn some new verbiage.

  47. ndog Says:

    Also last night you hear about how great Nick Foles was and how Andrew Luck was outstanding yet Foles threw two picks and Luck threw a pick yet people like King and including King were raving about their performances yesterday. Funny how that works right, there defenses play great, they have a good running game and despite their QB not playing perfect football they win and they are lauded. These people are all just so clueless and boarder line bias. It makes me sick and really hard to even listen to.

  48. Cgmaster27v Says:

    Pittshore, our new troll. You take time out of your day just to sign up and troll? Definition of a loser.

  49. PRBucFan Says:

    Joe(s) finally starting to understand the drum I have been beating on Winston.

    His inconsistency

  50. TexBuc Says:

    ndog

    According to Koetter the Eagles should have lost because they threw more interceptions than the Bears.

  51. Lord Cornelius Says:

    Robert Says:
    January 7th, 2019 at 11:32 am
    thats just it lord……..he looks good when the season is over and/or garbage stats”

    Not really. He has no garbage stats (i.e. blowout where he’s getting yards and TDs down 3 scores like Fitzpatrick against the Steelers) in that entire 6.5 game stretch. All the games where he has those stats were pretty competitive games that mostly went down to the wire. All the starters from both teams were in and both teams were trying to win.

    That’s all that matters. And he gave us chances to win a few of these in the end. Label that garbage if you want I guess

  52. James Walker Says:

    Considering many of those picks were due to bad route running, or irrelevant jump balls at the end of games, I am not worried about that.

  53. Nick2 Says:

    If you look at the one season that Jameis had a good running game he was just fine. Please get us a stud running back and there will once again be happiness at One Buc Place.

  54. T REX Says:

    @ lord…meaningless in that we were out of the playoffs. JW plays well when the games mean nothing. Sorry but it’s a fact.

  55. D1QB Says:

    Was it koetter playing Jamie’s when he was hurt. Minnesota game can’t confirm or deny.

    If you could confirm it……So what! It’s of zero value for all but that dogged mystery solving intrepid reporter with a nose for the truth…

    The facts are.. hurt.is zero excuse for poor play. Don’t confuse hurt and injured.
    No they’re aren’t the same. Jameis Winston is responsible for playing injured
    It’d been repeatedly reported that He didn’t admit to the extent of his hurt ..or
    Injury. He lied to keep playing. No story there either as it’s the way of the world in the NFL.

    What’s the best games and worst He had that season, I look and see some Damn good games post Minn and pre missed to heal games. The saints year end game was equally awful as spectacular. IOW pre post season to season college to pro’s
    Different coaches at FSU but always…..always inconsistent.

    Its Jameis Winston who is responsible. He needs great coaches..
    No spit….who doesn’t……

    Winston needs to be consistent in his day to day life…and consistent in his preparations for the season and games. Finding a life manager is a skill.set wise not what makes a great coach. If Winston needs a hug.and constant psychological encouragement…..He isn’t a pro and it was a huge miss in the draft…listen to light and it’s obvious that He was enamoured with finding a vocal rah rah leader.
    Score you got that…….Only to hear from players that they don’t want or need that…But the idea was good…
    To keep licht……and that science based approach to drafting…mean nasty guys
    Again …How bout skill.set …..same issues with Winston being drafted here..
    No proper prism to evaluate characteristics vs metrics

  56. Robert Says:

    trex gets it

  57. Pittsshore Says:

    @cgmaster: your lover boy JW is the 23rd best QB in the league. He was 3-9 last year and that’s all that matters. He is a disfunctional drunk that can no longer be protected by FSU campus police and administration. It must of hurt him real bad to have to personally pay off his latest victim. He is know different than Ray Rice or Kareem Hunt other than he was not caught on video surveillance.

  58. 1sparkybuc Says:

    Jameis is the most prolific QB through four seasons in franchise history. He is clearly our most promising option for the near future, and has never been charged much less convicted, of any criminal act. As a fan of this team since it’s inception I root for the Bucs and any player wearing a Buccaneer uniform. Constructive criticism is one thing, but much of the crap thrown at Jameis is either trolling by opposing fans, or based in the resurgence of open racism so prevalent in the news. If you’re a fan of the team, act like it. You can’t root for the failure of one and team success at the same time.

  59. TexBuc Says:

    Very QB’s short of being Dan Marino and a select few could be consistent week to week without a credible running game

  60. Lord Cornelius Says:

    “T REX Says:
    January 7th, 2019 at 12:30 pm
    @ lord…meaningless in that we were out of the playoffs. JW plays well when the games mean nothing. Sorry but it’s a fact.”

    Once again not really lol. I checked all the game logs and situations through the years on this before. I’m not doing more research for lazy people again to show that they’re delusional.

    Many of his best performances – if not most – all came in meaningful games when the Bucs were not out of it. Check the logs yourself.

  61. Not there yet Says:

    Once another coach comes in we’ll see Koetter was just trash. All the close games and this team has meltdowns in the 4th and it’s not all Fitz or Winston. It’s the defense it’s the o line also and it’s the kicker. No one is talking about the last second the missed kicks in the playoffs. How many times will the ravens let a kicker lose a playoff game? Lamar Jackson looked horrible after all the love he got all year. It’s just perception and people didn’t like Winston coming out of college so his stupid Uber deal just made people sure they would judge him even more harsh than before. Winston will be just fine but king is about senile and no longer relevant so trying his best to be controversial every time he talks

  62. Rod Munch Says:

    Peter King is a fake news hack.

  63. SteveK Says:

    ndog Says:
    January 7th, 2019 at 11:55 am
    SteveK Says:

    January 7th, 2019 at 11:13 am

    Expectations for our #1 pick, Jameis Winston should be sky high in 2019. At what point do Bucs Fans get to experience playoffs again?

    That’s easy SteveK when you don’t have a bottom 5 defense, a bottom 5 running game and at least an average kicker we will have a shot at making the playoffs. Until then that is not going to happen, bottom line.

    ———

    NDog,

    Thanks for the reply. I agree. My counterpoint would be: why pay a QB top
    money when the team is so far away? Why pay a QB $25-30 million a year, slotting 15-20% of your salary cap for them? How can the Bucs get to the playoffs if they pay top money to a QB and the rest of the team stinks out loud?

  64. SteveK Says:

    Joes put it best in the Ira podcast last week, “King has lost his fastball”. Could. Not. Agreee. More.

  65. Ndog Says:

    SteveK my opinion is that they aren’t that far away talent wise but coaching has been so poor we just can’t see the talent we have. The Grimes and Djax information of late has proven this team had way too many passengers and not nearly enough drivers, which can be directly tied back to the lack of leadership from the coaching staff. Now we have to get the right coaches in place then we can truely evaluate our talent to see where the true holes are.

  66. SteveK Says:

    Ndog,

    Hell yeah! Don’t spend $$ on soft/primadonnas!

    Spend the FA loot on trenches and top tier talent.

  67. T REX Says:

    @ Lord – the last 4 games of last year and the 6.5 recent games were all MEANINGLESS. I can’t help it if you’re returded. I hate some of our fanbase that put JW above the franchise. He stinks out loud and there’s no more excuses. None. It’s win or get gone and you yahoos can go with him to whatever crap franchise he ends up with.

    BUCS>>>>>w eating loser

  68. Tampa Bay Demon Says:

    As usual, LC, when someone can’t defend their argument, they fall back to things like “you’re returded!”

    By the way, it’s retarded…. not returded.

  69. Geno Says:

    Winston is not a star but better than some journeyman out there. Keep him, I believe he has a chance to be as good as Eli Manning or Carson Palmer.

    One of those guys won two Superbowls and the other got there.

    For all those that want to put him in Elite QB class like Bree’s, he just is not that guy.

    I like how people mention his QBR this year when last year it was 18th and behind Bortles, Mariotta and McCown. This year Winston’s passer rating was in the 20’s and every bit as accurate as using his QBR.

  70. D-Rome Says:

    I agree that Jay-Miss has regressed since his rookie year. I’d go as far as saying that his rookie year was his “best” year. Anyone remember that Atlanta game his rookie season? We saw a rookie QB take over that game and through sheer will, led the Bucs to a win. He has lost that moxie, mojo, confidence, ect… whatever you want to call it.

    He is not that guy anymore. Back then, we believed he didn’t have a ceiling. Today, we know exactly how high that ceiling is and the problem is that he’s hit the ceiling without a breakthrough.

  71. AdamB Says:

    How about all of the games where we fell behind due to poor defense and JW had to come from behind. Also, watch how many times he has to get rid of the ball in 1-2 seconds because the line is so porous.

  72. Erik w/ Clean Athletics Says:

    Joe is a moron if he thinks Jameis wasn’t hammered drunk and trying to feel up the Uber driver, against her will.

    Jameis was drunk and acting obnoxious in public, and then he was sent home by his friends, to prevent further embarassment.

    They, however, shouldn’t have sent him home without a chaperone. That was unwise and poor friendship on their part.

  73. T REX Says:

    @ demon – just trying to be PC. But if the insult fits…wear it proudly. Hiring a 2nd coach based on JW is beyond stupid but what have the Glazers done right in the last ten years? Nothing. Add this to the list.

  74. Lord Cornelius Says:

    @Tampa Demon

    Exactly. No one is making a good objective argument here.

    We were still mathematically alive until the last few games – not all 6.5 games of action.

    And even if we were out of it – Koetter was playing to save his job. He was starting every single starter, and the teams we were playing had huge incentives to win.

    Apparently garbage time now = putting up huge #’s and giving your team a chance to win against teams that needed to win and were playing all their starters – simply because the Bucs were elimianted out of the playoffs lol.

    That has never been the definition of garbage time until someone needed it to support their narrative. Good job

  75. T REX Says:

    @ LC – we were mathematically on life support. We were out of it and you are delusional if you think otherwise. JW runs up huge numbers when it doesn’t matter. You’ve yet to prove otherwise.

  76. TKiv18 Says:

    You know exactly how high his ceiling is…? The number of football experts out there is astounding.

    If you simply said that you don’t like the guy, don’t trust his decision making, don’t agree with his off the field behavior, etc, fine. But to say the book has already been written on him is ridiculous. The same fans that were writing Jameis off and basically saying they know everything they need to know about him were somehow more than willing to believe that a 35 year old journeyman in Fitz was going to do a complete career turnaround after 15 seasons in the league. You guys believe whatever you want to believe, simple as that. His stats stand up to a lot of quality passers; stats are for losers you’ll say. His win/loss record does suck but you’ll overlook the obvious deficiencies of our team. It doesn’t matter what anyone says, your minds are already made up.

    Plenty of you guys spew an awful lot of “knowledge.” Bottom line, you don’t know even half as much as you think you do. It’s ok, keep thinking you have a higher football IQ than an NFL starter. Your biased, deluded takes are laughable to the rational folks.

  77. Lord Cornelius Says:

    Let’s look at just 2015 and good performances in meaningful games:

    Week 2 coming off a bad loss to the Titans, we beat the Saints, Winston goes 66% and 2 TDs with no turnovers.

    Week 4 – 300 yards 2 TD no turnovers in the collapse against hte Redskins ( we were up huge and should have won but Lovie went prevent/turtle).

    Week 8 – OT win against Atlanta. Another methodical 2 TD no turnover day with clutch play/game winning drive.

    Week 11 – Bucs were 4-5 and this was a game he had 5 TDs to 0 picks to bring us to our first non-losing record that year.

    Week 13 – Bucs were 5-6 and he had 250 yards 2 TD to 1 turnover in a clutch win where he had the game winning drive at the end.

    This was just his rookie year. We can keep doing this for all the years but no one is going to say “Oh sorry I was wrong” about anything so what’s the point lol.

  78. Lord Cornelius Says:

    @ TREX

    See above for 2015. I can show the same in 2016 when pretty much all the games mattered since we were in it till the end.

    In 2017 even with the hurt shoulder he had really good performances against the Bears, Giants, Patriots and Bills – all 4 of which were in the first 1/2 of the year.

    There is no big jump up in his stats when the Bucs are eliminated from the post season vs early in the year – other than maybe 2018 which is the one year he came off a suspension and the one year we had a weird QB controversy. If anything it’s been the opposite the prior 3 years, and this team wasn’t playing / coaching as if they were mathematically out this year.

  79. TKiv18 Says:

    Well said LC.

    “Until someone needed it to support their narrative.” Pretty much applies to every argument made against any positive thing Jameis has ever done.

  80. T REX Says:

    Wait, so he DID regress? LOL. Cool, thanks. Who has the most turnovers since entering the league? And if he continues to turn it over in ANOTHER 4 Vert offense…can we dump him?

  81. Bucsfanman Says:

    Lord C- Great points as usual. My contention is that his decision-making still needs improvement.
    He has the skill, that’s never been the question, I don’t think. It his Jeckyl/Hyde decision making that makes me question his ability.
    My hope is that the new regime can get the best Jameis possible. It starts with improving the run-game and defense. Get that rolling and I think we see a different QB.

  82. Bob in Valrico Says:

    Lord C
    Lets face it ,what Jameis did in 2015 isn’t relevent to what he has done recently or what he will do in 2019.
    In 2015 he had a potent running attack . Three tall receivers in Evans , VJAX, and ASJ. During the year it was also reported that Koetter helped Jameis by narrowing the field and limiting the number of progressions Jameis had to go through.
    In 2019 he will have some equally talented receivers, but we need to bring the running game and blocking up to snuff. There has been regression in other areas of the team also , due to Light’s bad free agent signings.
    IMO , Jameis still has to show he can perform well against good defenses
    because those teams make you pay when you turn the ball over.

  83. Lord Cornelius Says:

    lol you can’t please these people.

    I objectively destroyed this idea that Jameis has some history of getting all his stats after Bucs are eliminated from the postseason. It’s completely delusional.

    So what is the response?

    Move the goal posts to a new objectively inaccurate idea: that Jameis has regressed over his career.

    2015 – 58.3% completion, 22 TD in 16 games, 7.56 YPA, 84.2 rating

    2019 – 64.6% completion, 19 TD in 10 games (30+ TD in 16 game pace), 7.92 YPA, and a 90.2 QB rating.

    Hm.

    What’s next guys?

  84. AncientBuc Says:

    Still think season was about bad leadership from HC and down. Harbough showed great leadership yesterday by keeping Lamar in game. Conversely, Koetter showed poor leadership by not committing to Jameis after suspension when asked during pre-season. He said they’d have to see after suspension. He lost Jameis and half his team then. Jameis will benefit from different voices and coaching.

  85. TexBuc Says:

    Cannot be a consistent QB without a credible running game unless your name is drew brees or dan marino. Both QB’s demonstrated you still cannot win championships with a decent defense.

  86. TexBuc Says:

    meant to say “without a decent defense”

  87. T REX Says:

    @ LC what was the average completion % for each NFL team and where does JW fall on that list? It’s below average. NEXT!

    I’ll blow your crap up all day long.

  88. T REX Says:

    And if you are using the word “pace” you have failed already.

  89. Lord Cornelius Says:

    T REX

    The only thing getting blown up is your posting inaccuracies. Nothing you’re saying negates anything I’m saying. What I have posted directly negates everything you’re saying.

    I.e.

    A) Jameis only gets stats when the Bucs are out of contention.
    -Demonstrably false. Instead of “Oh my bad I hate Jameis but was wrong on that” you respond with

    B) Well so now you’re saying he regressed since 2015!
    -Demonstrably false. Instead of “Oops wrong again my bad” you respond with a new pivot of average completion % of each NFL team and where he falls on that list while completely ignoring the fact that you were objectively wrong as f*ck to suggest he’s regressed since 2015.

    If I answer your argument on completion %; I’m sure we will move on to talking about Winston’s free throw % and you will tell me you pwnd me lol

  90. Crazed Bucs Fan Says:

    Haskins in Tampa Bay!!!!

  91. Lord Cornelius Says:

    Here’s a breakdown of what is happening in a nut shell:

    TREX: Jameis Winston does terrible whenever it’s below 65 degrees

    Lord Cornelius: Actually that’s wrong

    TREX: So what you’re saying is that Winston actually sucks whenever he plays prime time games?!

    Lord Cornelus: Not saying that at all, but since you asked, that’s actually wrong too.

    TREX: HAHA. But how much does Jameis winston floss compared to the nfl average QB?! I am gonna keep blowing your crap up man! Friggin Tard!

    Lord Cornelius: what in the f*ck is happening right now….

  92. Lord Cornelius Says:

    damnit i forgot certain symbols remove posts. Embaressment. Here’s a fix

    Here’s a breakdown of what is happening in a nut shell:

    TREX: Jameis Winston does terrible whenever it’s below 65 degrees

    Lord Cornelius: Actually that’s wrong. Proceeds to lay out objective stats in support of that argument.

    TREX: So what you’re saying is that Winston actually sucks whenever he plays prime time games?!

    Lord Cornelus: Not saying that at all, but since you asked, that’s actually wrong too. Proceeds to lay out objective stats to support this notion.

    TREX: HAHA. But how much does Jameis winston floss compared to the nfl average QB?! I am gonna keep blowing your crap up man! Friggin Tard!

    Lord Cornelius: what in the f*ck is happening right now….

  93. Loyaltotheend Says:

    He’s just not #1 overall pick material he’s average at best and people think a run game and an elite defense will make him protect the ball, it won’t

    He will tease you then choke when the team needs a score

  94. JIMMY T Says:

    As usual Joe u have your once a day Jameis take from someone outside Tampa which ensure the Haters can write their hitbpiexes atbout QB! I’m not gonna bother reading all the posts. This site is so predictable

  95. T REX Says:

    LC…look up team passing stats…you’ll see it improve year over year. Winston actually lags behind most of the league. Do some better research pal.

  96. Fire Light Says:

    Too much piling on MeJax!? Don’t even need to pile on him, he is a pile of crap on his own.

  97. Fire Light Says:

    Peter King is a hack. He sucks at his job like head coach Koetter.

  98. Fire Light Says:

    Jameis Bashers are belong on the MeJax pile of crap.

  99. Pittsshore Says:

    @LordC: those who live in the past…tomorrow will never come. JW is what his record says he is====Terrible. Will Grier will be our starting QB next year.

  100. 1sparkybuc Says:

    Jameis is clearly the most prolific QB in franchise history. Imagine Jameis with these weapons and the 2002 Defense.

 

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