New Coach To Decide On Jameis?
December 17th, 2018
Step away from big decision?
Joe doesn’t know of a sober person that believes Bucs coach Dirk Koetter will return in 2019. So his successor is going to have a major decision to make before he even steps foot into his office at One Buc Palace.
That’s a suggestion from heavy-metal headbanging Jason La Canfora of CBS Sports. La Canfora believes the fate of America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston, should be left in the hands of Koetter’s successor, not Team Glazer.
“… the Glazers are going to have a huge decision to make there. If they want to attract the best head-coaching candidates possible, they best not try to make keeping Winston a prerequisite.”
Joe will debate that one. If Team Glazer believes Jameis’ potential is not yet fully tapped, why would they let someone — maybe a meathead defensive coach — make a decision that could doom the franchise for a decade?
If a coach doesn’t want Jameis, what are the options? Joe Flacco, Bryce Petty? Really?
Joe would be shocked if Team Glazer brought in an offensive coach that wouldn’t at least try to work with Jameis, who already has four years (52 starts) in the NFL, over a guy completely green coming from college who may not even be near as good as Jameis.
People are so hung up about Jameis’ contract it is scary to Joe. What he is scheduled to earn isn’t that horrible at all, possibly ranking in the bottom third of salaries for NFL starters.
Welcome to the NFL in 2019.
December 17th, 2018 at 2:12 pm
Duh and likely whoever is in favor of keeping him that will be the hire so there will be multiple coaches ready to take the Winston challenge
December 17th, 2018 at 2:13 pm
Honestly, what’s the market for JW? Can you even get anything of value for him?
December 17th, 2018 at 2:15 pm
Tampa for once will be a desired coaching destination. We have a good core of players that just needs to be coached up. I believe there will be a lot of good coaching candidates as well. Hope is already in the air.
December 17th, 2018 at 2:15 pm
A proven good coach won’t take the job unless the get to decide, like a harbaugh, tomlin, ect. But if you want a jim schwartz or an unproven cordinator,they’ll do what the owner says. I’m fine with Jameis salary #. Its not a big # for a starter. Like joe points out, it’s bottom 1/3 and so far he’s a bottom 1/3 qb. Hopefully he improves from here.
December 17th, 2018 at 2:16 pm
We could get Nick Foles for less than what Jameis is due. Think about it
A Mr. Lucky sighting!! Nice! –Joe
December 17th, 2018 at 2:18 pm
Oh to be that fly on the wall!
December 17th, 2018 at 2:19 pm
Think bucs need to get a GM/President and then have them hire the HC so that they can work together and build a team and have a good working relationship then decide together after watching film and maybe even doing off field investigations whether jamesi needs to stick with the team. Give Nicks Saban full control firet licht today hire Saban on January 7 at midnite
December 17th, 2018 at 2:19 pm
For spits and giggles, would you trade JW to NY for Eli and flip #1’s and pick up the 3rd we gave them for JPP? Thoughts???
December 17th, 2018 at 2:20 pm
Jameis can only hope he escapes this small town Mickey mouse franchise
December 17th, 2018 at 2:21 pm
Mr Lucky Says:
“We could get Nick Foles for less than what Jameis is due. Think about it”
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No thanks.
December 17th, 2018 at 2:24 pm
Joel Segal isn’t letting a starting QB who’s 24 and has his jersey in the hof play for no 20 mil. Just not happening. Seagal told Chucky no when his DE was offered 21 mil. But wtfdik.
Bruce Arian loves Jaboo, Buckner and football. Unless the Glazers mess this up like they do everything else we should be doing GREAT with Brucey Boy on the sidelines next year.
December 17th, 2018 at 2:26 pm
How could any coach not take “America’s Quarterback”…….and he’s also a Pro Bowler….
The choice is simple…..keep Jameis…..get rid of GMC….he has been the sole reason for our decade of losing.
December 17th, 2018 at 2:27 pm
(Sarcasm) for those who don’t know where I stand.
December 17th, 2018 at 2:27 pm
Winston’s issues are in his head. When he is behind he lets it loose and racks up yards (Giants, Atlanta game). When he is in a close game he is tentative and is afraid of making mistakes. I am not a fan of Winston but I am up for a coach that can help him break that barrier. I am sure if the coach lets him know that a pick once a while is accepted since he is airing it out 30-40 times a game , he might then be the QB we expect him to be. I say let him pay the 5th year and go from there.
December 17th, 2018 at 2:29 pm
TBBF, the “sole reason for our decade of losing?”
That’s a bit strong, don’t you think?
December 17th, 2018 at 2:29 pm
“Joe will debate that one. If Team Glazer believes Jameis’ potential is not yet fully tapped, why would they let someone — maybe a meathead defensive coach — make a decision that could doom the franchise for a decade?”
Question, how have the Glazers done on major decisions since dumping Gruden? I don’t trust their decision making abilities.
December 17th, 2018 at 2:30 pm
Its bad to be Tampa fan ive been doing since 76 it seems kinda hopeless as of right now Glazers may keep Dirt and get a new Gm or keep the Gm and get a new coach but both should go . Bottom line is someone can come in here with a good draft and some selective free agents and have a decent team Bring in Bridgewater and let GW and him slug it out that’s the first thing I would do .
December 17th, 2018 at 2:33 pm
If a potential head coach candidate felt that he was going to be forced to keep Winston as his starting QB, that may make him decide against Tampa and go elsewhere
December 17th, 2018 at 2:40 pm
For one thing our next HC is going to need to have a plan at QB.
There are a lot of ways to go but how do we not know that a guy like Rothlisberger wouldn’t be avialable for trade?
There are also guys you can look back at like Carson Palmer and Rich Gannon which goes to show you that’s there’s always more options then meets the eye.
But my form stance is that this team has been built to Excell with good QB play. There has to be a solid plan at that position or this team is going nowhere.
December 17th, 2018 at 2:46 pm
But if we do move on from Winston next year it will show us how dysfunctional this franchise is.
Last off-season we had a Top 10 pick and we’re staring at 4 QBs. (5 if you count Lamar Jackson) that we could have gotten.
To pass on a rich QB draft then turnaround and cut your QB would proove that this franchise builds a team without planning for the future.
It will be an indictment on ownership not being proactive and taking enough interest in their own team only to let it be run into the ground.
December 17th, 2018 at 2:47 pm
Dusty Rhodes,
Can we please stop with the Nick Saban garbage? He’s a college coach. He blew in the NFL. I’d rather have Raheem back than deal with Saban.
December 17th, 2018 at 2:52 pm
New and updated!
After 14 games, both of the Bucs QBs have started and played approximately 7 games apiece. So, the updated totals are:
Fitz: 164 of 246 = 66.7% JW3: 188 of 295 = 63.7%
Fitz: 2366 yards JW3: 2311 yards
Fitz: QB rating = 100.4 (10th in league) JW3: QB rating = 85.3
Fitz: 17 TDs (6.9% of passes) JW3: 14 TDs (4.72% of passes)
Fitz: 12 INTs (4.9% of passes) JW3: 13 INTs (4.4% of passes)
Note that neither one has a TD/INT ratio of at least 2:1.
Note: I am pretty sure they have played with the same offense, the same running backs, the same receivers, the same defense and the same coaches.
It seems at BEST: Jameis Winston = Ryan Fitzpatrick. Can Jameis improve????
Most who do have certainly done so by their 4th year in the league, so I’m not so sure.
The Bucs QBs have combined for 4677 yards passing (MOST in NFL), and 31 TD passes (tied for 3rd in NFL). But………………………..
JW3 has 13 INTs (tied for 4th in the NFL)
Fitz has 12 INTs (tied for 7th in the NFL)
So, together they have 25 INTs, which is TEN more than anyone else in the NFL.
The Bucs’ turnover percentage is 19.8%! That means that 1 of every 5 drives ends in a turnover. That is also the worst in the NFL. The bottom five also includes Jax, SF, Ariz, and Buff. All five teams with 5 or fewer wins.
They need to find a QB who can throw TD passes without turning the ball over so often.All of the playoff teams have a QB whose TD percentage is ~ 5% or so, but none have an INT percentage greater than 4%.
tickrdr
tickrdr
December 17th, 2018 at 2:55 pm
Vinik for President of Operations. We’ll go to the Super Bowl every year. But yes Joe, people who think Jameis next year have been sippin back a lot of grandpa’s ole cough syrup. They are going to do something big in a few weeks, and give Jameis one last chance to prove himself or at least to show good improvement. If not, I’ve been saying Sam Ehlinger in the 2020 draft.
December 17th, 2018 at 2:57 pm
you get what you pay for!!!!!…
keep winston….hire Kris Richard….
run game fixed….defense fixed….
#NOEXCUSESIN2018!!!…#PRESSURESONTHECOACHES!!!…GO BUCS!!!
December 17th, 2018 at 3:06 pm
@tick
To be fair some of those INTs weren’t the QB’s fault (i.e., tipped passes, etc.,) Now I’m not making excuses BUT if Jameis’s stat’s aren’t any better than Fitz’s stats and every club keeps cutting Fitz why should we keep Jameis?
Remember all the wishing and debate between Jameis & Marriotta? Which franchise got the best of THAT draft?
QB’s like Gannon, Palmer, etc., are washed up and shouldn’t even be considered…why not try to get Payton Manning or Brett Farve to come out of retirement? NOT!
The Bucs really need to get a dependable and strong OL to help. Too many times the pocket was closing on the QB faster than a venus flytrap closing over a trapped fly.
December 17th, 2018 at 3:08 pm
If nothing else draft OL linemen and DL help, keep Jameis and if the Bucs don’t do any better in 2019 then draft another QB in 2020. As for coaches…that’s another topic….
Frankly I like Jimmy Johnson’s reasoning – don’t get rid of someone UNLESS you have a better person in the wings. What QB’s available are better than Jameis? Foles and that’s about it. Don’t even think about Stafford.
December 17th, 2018 at 3:09 pm
The best thing would probably be to bring in a defensive coach and keep Todd Monken as OC so Jameis doesn’t have to learn a new system. When Todd had a free hand the offense was rolling pretty good.
December 17th, 2018 at 3:11 pm
There’s a collection of fans who bristle at every comment that they believe is critical of Jameis Winston. One of the common tactics used to deflect legitimate criticism is to accuse the opposition of being the dumbest fans in the nation.
So, in effort to nationalize the issue and eliminate personal bias or worse, racism, let’s look at the QBase analysis of Winston.
This is a statistical analysis, just numbers, it isn’t local and it has no Winston bias pro or con.
Jameis Winston Bust potential
Mean Projection in Years 3-5 378 DYAR
Bust (2500 DYAR) 3.3%
Winston faces long odds of becoming a successful NFL quarterback. QBASE gives Winston a 61.3 percent chance of being a bust (less than 500 DYAR in Years 3 through 5) and just a 12.8 percent chance of being at least an upper-tier quarterback. His projection here is higher than it would be if the stats did not correct for his tough schedule of opposing defenses. According to the numbers, Florida State only faced the tenth-toughest schedule overall in 2014, but it faced the nation’s toughest set of defenses. Still, Winston’s projection puts him just third in the 2015 draft class, well behind both Marcus Mariota and Brett Hundley.
If Tampa Bay picks him, QBASE will give Winston the third-lowest projection among the 13 No. 1 overall quarterbacks since 1996. David Carr and Michael Vick are the only two top selections who would rank lower. And nobody with a QBASE projection in Winston’s neighborhood has been worth the top pick.
December 17th, 2018 at 3:13 pm
Lucky…..haha I wasn’t saying Palmer and Gannon are options this year.
Used them as examples of QBs who were found in free agency and performed well over expectations. Just pointing out there there could be a QB out there that could do the same here.
December 17th, 2018 at 3:16 pm
we are currently seeing in full view the importance of an effective offensive line and running back. The Rams have had difficulty running the ball of late and as a result Goff looks mediocre at best. He has literally gone from an MVP candidate to the worst QB statistically over the last several games.
Improving the Line and running game will mean a huge improvement for this team. Should mean fewer turnovers due to less QB pressures. Should mean more rest for your defense thereby improving their effectiveness.
In the Tampa heat for most of the year, a OL that impose its will on a team would make this team hard to beat. An early round T and G are a must this year.
December 17th, 2018 at 3:16 pm
And why not Stafford? I wouldn’t be totally shocked if the Lions were willing to deal him. Though, I doubt they trade him now since their HC is going into only his 2nd season. Timing would seem wierd.
December 17th, 2018 at 3:21 pm
tickrdr- Great perspective. Of course, those that need to see it will just gloss over it as “Jameis hate!”
I don’t think it’s as unlikely as Joe makes it out to be. There are 4 years of film on Jameis. If someone feels they can get somebody better, then, by all means do so. It’s about winning games.
We have 5 wins. Of which the back-up journeyman, turnover-prone, 36 year-old won 2. So…… I’m not sure how that’s a resounding endorsement.
December 17th, 2018 at 3:21 pm
In an effort to avoid the Winston fan base habit that categorizes any criticism or observations deemed negative by race , intelligence, geographical and Coaching
The2 following are the listed weaknesses from Winston’s predraft profile by NFL.com analyst Lance Zierlein:
“Decision making not consistent with his football intelligence. Will throw into impossible windows rather than taking safe throw underneath. Elongated windup and release allows instinctive defenders to close on throws. Was too easily baited into dangerous throws. Struggled with intermediate passing game in 2014, completing 56.8 percent of his passes with FBS-leading 11 interceptions in that range. Still learning nuances of position and how to move and hold defenders with his eyes. Would sleepwalk through first half of many games. Inconsistent footwork and weight transfer caused balls to sail. Prone to emotional outbursts on field. Quality of decision-making drops off substantially when pocket becomes turbulent and he’s forced to leave it. Lacks athleticism to extend plays for very long outside of the pocket. Off-the-field character and ability to lead on NFL level are his primary obstacles, according to NFL evaluators.”
Sound familiar?
December 17th, 2018 at 3:36 pm
the only QB i would except would be jacoby bressett……
he has the arm, he can run, he’s smart, he’s accurate and coach-able…..
#NOEXCUSESIN2018!!!…#PRESSURESONTHECOACHES!!!…GO BUCS!!!
December 17th, 2018 at 3:36 pm
That’s backwards thinking.
While yes, the coach should have a say in personnel, a #1 overall franchise QB staying or going isn’t something you leave up to an incoming HC.
December 17th, 2018 at 3:42 pm
813bucboi
Kris Richard has been a freaking defensive backs coach his entire career. Far from bringing in an offensive coach to fix Jameis. No more coordinators and college coaches. Need to pull a Gruden move with a serious vet HC.
December 17th, 2018 at 3:47 pm
if the glazers would purchase a ufo and deck it out in bucs logos, harbaugh would be quick to jump inside that bad boy for a trip to tampa…buy a ufo and get yourself a good coach…
#LevelUpGlazers #PurchaseAyeUFO
December 17th, 2018 at 3:48 pm
jameis snacks on W’s as breakfast cereal
December 17th, 2018 at 3:49 pm
If a coach doesn’t want Jameis, what are the options? Joe Flacco, Bryce Petty? Really?
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How about we draft a QB. How could a newly drafted college QB that is already familiar with all the new innovative RPO schemes be any worse than what Jameis has shown in 4 years?
Lamar Jackson, who was drafted very late in the 1st round is already going to replace Flacco. Nick Mullens, an unknown walk-on has a better completion percentage than Winston. Mayfield, Allen, etc.. These are a few examples of QBs who are doing well in their first seasons but we will never find out until we take the next step. Or we could revisit this same BS next season with a whole new regime hoping that JW somehow will be better, just to pick up where he left off while getting another coach killed.
December 17th, 2018 at 3:51 pm
Trade JW on draft day straight up for Foles,Hell, throw in GMC as well. then get lots of Oline and DBs. Most fans have grown tired of JW and his erractic play on and off the field. This offense has no balance.
December 17th, 2018 at 4:04 pm
soe
if thats all you thinks he’s ever been, then you dont know him or what your talking about…..
we need someone new and innovative…..
screw both of the grudens…..jay aint never won nothing and john aint won nothing in years…..
no more re trends……
KRIS RICHARD 4 HC!!!!!!
#NOEXCUSESIN2018!!!…#PRESSURESONTHECOACHES!!!…GO BUCS!!!
December 17th, 2018 at 4:07 pm
SOE
and the defense needs to be fixed not jameis….he needs a run game and a coach who can develop players outside of pass catchers…..
and Kris is highly regarded in the NFL and will be a candidate to become someones HC in 2019….
KRIS RICHARD 4 HC!!!!
#NOEXCUSESIN2018!!!…#PRESSURESONTHECOACHES!!!…GO BUCS!!!
December 17th, 2018 at 4:08 pm
tickrdr: BAM! Rack Him!
Winston = Fitz
Maybe the new coach won’t want either.
Look at the rook/2nd year QB’s lighting the league up, heading to the playoffs. But like an abused spouse the Winston sycophants want to give ‘Murica’s Turovover Machine just ooooone more chance.
With some gaping holes to fill why wouldn’t The New Guy want to spend that $21 million somewhere else instead of on a sub-mediocre turnover-prone QB with character issues?
December 17th, 2018 at 4:17 pm
@813bucboi: you sound like a broken record.
Richard went to Dallas to replace Marinelli as DC when he retires.
Dallas DC > Bucs HC.
December 17th, 2018 at 4:19 pm
so.. going back to my hypothetical regarding a trade with the Giants. If you could trade JW to the Giants for Eli and the swap of #1’s along with one of their 3rd round picks (one of which is ours from the JPP trade) you could then do the following:
Draft Will Grier and let Eli be his tutor/mentor for the next two years. Who better to learn from than Eli (other than Tom Brady maybe). You can then draft a Tackle and Gaurd in rounds 2 and 3.
What’s in it for the Giants is the big question: They would get a 25 year old QB with 4 years of starter experience who has hopefully learned a few things during that time. They have a ton of offensive weapons including a great running game to help him out. They can win now if JW can limit mistakes. Plus, they actually save money vs keeping Eli.
Now, you may say, why not just do the same here and provide JW with a better line. My answer to this is that I think both parties need a change of scenery. Plus, we pick up a higher 1st round pick and a 3rd round pick. Obviously, the higher 1st would be used to select one of the top QB’s and the 2nd and 3rd to enhance the OL.
Just a thought but thought it warrants discussion…
December 17th, 2018 at 4:22 pm
Going after O-lineman in the draft is not sexy, it isn’t going to butts in the seats, until it does. When we fix the o-line, we will make a playoff run, our defense is extremely young, our TEs are great, our WRs are great-Godwin better remember how to play, our QB can be great and our RB is a damn good pro when given the chance. This should be O-line in FA and draft. We need some edge rushers and now need linebackers since they are all hurt. A “scat” back is a must, one that accelerates at catching the ball. Give RoJo a summer with Jameis and Barber. RoJo should be at every WR camp in America. Koetter has some kind of crush on Rodgers- he should have been cut weeks ago. He loves him for his pass blocking- does he even watch game film? Not to mention we had him returning kickoffs for 3/4 of the season. Genius! Anyone notice a difference with Bobo back there? We have good bones on this team, a couple of add ons and a new scheme on D and revamping offensive line will get us in the playoffs. Problem is these are exactly the same things we have needed for the last few off seasons, hopefully Licht (if he is here) will recognize this.
December 17th, 2018 at 4:33 pm
Lol Foles couldn’t beat Mike Smith’s defense.
December 17th, 2018 at 4:33 pm
lol @ listing subjective scouting opinions and some weird model from 4 years ago that has no validity to its accuracy in terms of projecting anything as if it’s some objective football argument against Winston.
Bottom line is – do you think you can upgrade by moving on?
I don’t. So ride it out.
Also for the Fitz vs WInston comparison I’d love to see the defensive rankings of teams faced. Fitz’ numbers are grossly inflated by 2 games that were literally the best in his life. 7 games is a super small sample lol.
The problem with this team has never been QB tho regardless… it’s been:
1. Terrible defense every year for a decade now basically outside of a few decent games against bad teams or bad offenses.
2. Terrible run game outside of 2015. Basically bottom 3 in most efficiency stats.
3. Outdate schemes.
3A) On defense it’s been the soft 4ss coverage that only changed after Smitty left.
3B) On offense it’s been the low % high yards per attempt 4 vert air raid sh1t that produces chunk yardage but is bad at getting short yardage / scores when needed. No balance ever to run/pass.
QB has been the least of this teams problems. Our drafts could have been a lot better along with coaching and we’d be competing in the playoffs.
December 17th, 2018 at 4:36 pm
You can’t demand they fire Koetter then assume his replacement should keep Jameis.
Let’s be clear, Jameis’s actions and suspension torpedoed this season.
If you fire a coach and or the GM, the new guys completely tear apart the roster. Everyone wants to keep Buckner or Duffner or Monken or Jameis. A new coach would likely get rid of them all.
December 17th, 2018 at 4:39 pm
Why don’t we ever hear about how we have the word qb in our division anymore? It’s still true!
December 17th, 2018 at 4:46 pm
Jjbucfan……good point about Quiz. He has been dead weight this year. The only reason he gets snaps is because they assume he can block but his has been wiffing for well over a month now.
Another example of a problem gone unfixed. They just keep rolling him out there every week and he disappoints every game consistently. Yet they just roll him back out week after week and allow him to underperform without being held accountable.
December 17th, 2018 at 4:51 pm
jjbucfan–you make a lot of sense.But sad to say Licht must move on to the land of forgotten kickers and misguided gms.
December 17th, 2018 at 4:57 pm
cobra
lol….thats funny but doubt its true….lol….
KRIS RICHARD 4 HC!!!!
#NOEXCUSESIN2018!!!…#PRESSURESONTHECOACHES!!!…GO BUCS!!!
December 17th, 2018 at 5:04 pm
Lord Corn,
The NFL scouting report is subjective but it’s accurate as can be. If you had no time reference then it could as easily be thought to be written now.
The QBase analysis is been proven to be pretty accurate in predicting which QB s will succeed and which will not. Arguing the actual results is akin to whizzing up a rope.
That said, the point was the same things local know nothing’s and racists have been saying is also observed by non locals and national people which in case you missed it, invalidates the standard explanations or excuses that the smartest footfall fans in Tampa throw out.
As far who played against better defenses, Fitzpatrick so that ends that line of thinking.
December 17th, 2018 at 5:31 pm
Bruce only wants to return to coaching with one franchise and coach one QB, it’s been repeated a number of times. If you have to talk him out of that I don’t know.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/bruce-arians-says-hed-only-return-to-coaching-for-one-team-and-its-a-surprising-one/amp/
December 17th, 2018 at 5:44 pm
Mr Lucky Says:
December 17th, 2018 at 3:06 pm
To be fair some of those INTs weren’t the QB’s fault (i.e., tipped passes, etc.,) Now I’m not making excuses BUT if Jameis’s stat’s aren’t any better than Fitz’s stats and every club keeps cutting Fitz why should we keep Jameis?
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Almost sounds like you’re agreeing with me. Why, indeed?
And I have to agree that not all of the INTs are on the QBs, yet in terms of their relative frequency don’t you agree that all QBs suffer from some tipped passes etc., yet our guys have thrown so many more than opposing teams. Just like all points scored aren’t necessarily the fault of the defense, with a pick 6 being the most egregious example. Also, being Captain Obvious here, but think of the number of INTs resulting in short fields for the opposing team as well.
As for me, my choice would be to try to hire Vic Fangio (DC of the Bears) as our new head coach, and draft a QB in the 1st round. And looking at the 2019 draft order today, of the teams ahead of us, only the Jags appear to need a QB, which should give us one of the top two available. I don’t follow college football at all, so I have no idea if that choice would be palatable. I don’t think that Jameis did too well with the pressure of competing with Fitzpatrick’s start, and I suspect he would not do too well competing with a new 1st round pick either.
tickrdr
December 17th, 2018 at 6:14 pm
Rookie QB’s can come in and start nowadays, if a qb decision can still set your franchise back a decade then you need new scouts.
December 17th, 2018 at 6:18 pm
tickrdr: an interesting article on Vic Fangio. Not a bad suggestion at all. His defenses have kicked ass everywhere he’s coached.
https://touchdownwire.usatoday.com/2018/12/12/can-bears-defensive-coordinator-vic-fangio-become-the-nfls-next-great-head-coach/
December 17th, 2018 at 6:22 pm
Mr. Lucky
Agree with you. Would much rather have Nick Foles than Winston
December 17th, 2018 at 6:28 pm
Sign nick Foles.
Trade jameis to Denver for a 2020 first round pick.
Invest in OL and RB and DT.
Move on. Foles is an FA who deserves the 21 million jameis will get.
Winston can’t read the field well. He’s inaccaure and struggles to consistently move defenders with his eyes like the winners do.
If you take the reigns off jameis he averages 2-3 TOS a game. If you limit him, he can’t make the throws to move the chains or in the Rz for TDS. He’s blame Bortles who you will move on from.
December 17th, 2018 at 6:31 pm
People were saying Jared Goff was a bust after his season, let Jameis have the same opportunity and see if his career can’t be salvaged.
December 17th, 2018 at 7:23 pm
Look at the numbers Joe. America’s Ass Clown would be number 13 or 14. Can even you say he is close to as good as Newton? Either as a player or citizen?
December 17th, 2018 at 8:03 pm
Lord, you don’t get to throw out Fitz’s two best games just so you can boost Winston. Grow up!
December 17th, 2018 at 8:30 pm
You really have to be a winston knob slobberer to claim that a QB with 12 picks and 13 tds is the LEAST of our worries. That sucks and every w eating winston fan knows it. Year 4 and he sucks.
Please, dump that loser.
December 17th, 2018 at 8:31 pm
Correction 14 TD to 13 picks
December 17th, 2018 at 8:40 pm
Title of the article bout says it all..New Coach to Decide on Jameis. And thats probably a..FACT.
December 17th, 2018 at 8:44 pm
I just don’t think they’ll take another chance on an unproven assistant. Jim Harbaugh or someone like Tomlin makes sense to me. If they go assistant it may be a DC rather than OC. The problem is if they go with a defesnive minded coach what happens to JW? Honestly I would probably be more comfortable with a strong head coach candidate (someone who is truly proven), a much more seasoned vet at QB, build the offensive line, focus on a running back in the draft and continue to strengthen the d-line and secondary with vets. Honestly I would take the Tennesse formula over this mess any day. I just want a consistent team to be feel “good” about.
December 17th, 2018 at 9:39 pm
“IF” you can get anything for Jameis Winston – Trade’em
Following-Up By Re-signing:
• QB Ryan Griffin.
Draft:
• QB Ryan Finely | Age: 22 | Height: 6′ 4″ | Weight: 210 lbs
Trade for:
• QB Jacoby Brissett | Age: 25 | Height: 6′ 4″ | Weight: 235 lbs
Possible 2019 Depth Chart:
—-Jacoby Brissett | Ryan Griffin | Ryan Finely
Worst case sign QB Nick Foles
December 17th, 2018 at 9:42 pm
Crotch grabbing Winston is gone. They will keep Fitz in Place to groom next year’s first round pick. Hopeful one that is not a groping shoplifting womanizing dumb red neck
December 17th, 2018 at 9:44 pm
Hire
Vic Fangio as the new HC.
Mike Mularkey as the new OC
Russ Grime as the new OL Coach.
And Hire either Chuck Pagano or Todd Bowles as the new DC.
Keep Buckner.
Note to the defense: “If” you’ve never played in base 3-4, you’re on the trading block.
December 17th, 2018 at 9:45 pm
Lavonte David would be a great WILL backer in a 3-4 defense.
December 17th, 2018 at 9:51 pm
I’m done as a Bucs fan I want Jameis gone so can all route for the same losing QB like everyone wants. At least that way Jameis might actually have a chance to succeed, while this fan base continues to blame the next QB, cause you know they are the sole reason for wins and losses. Please Glazers just let him leave so we can all move on and lose with the next guy, like all these brilliant minds would like.
December 17th, 2018 at 10:05 pm
Go Bucs!
December 17th, 2018 at 10:08 pm
*Russ Grimm as the new OL Coach
December 17th, 2018 at 10:15 pm
Jeffery Simmons in the 1st round would be a solid pick.
December 17th, 2018 at 11:28 pm
Agree with the Fangio for HC. Guy has built some of the best defenses in this league. Would also argue for Freddie Kitchens for OC, the guy has done a hell of a job with Mayfield and the Browns offense since Greg Williams took over.
December 17th, 2018 at 11:55 pm
@LUVMYBUCS:
Always love your posts, and totally agree with Fangio as the HC candidate. Also agree that LVD would be “reborn” in a 3-4 defense. Have you applied for the GM slot yet?
tickrdr
December 18th, 2018 at 2:43 am
813bucboi
Kris Richard has been a defensive backs coach his entire NFL career except 2015-2017 Seattle DC. After that he’s now a Cowboys defensive backs coach.
And I’m also trying to say NO MORE COORDINATORS AND COLLEGE COACHES!!! NEED A VET HC WITH PLAYOFF EXPERIENCE THAT CAN A GOOD COACHING STAFF TOGETHER!!!
December 18th, 2018 at 2:49 am
For the people who want to draft a QB, how many AMAZING rookie QB are worthy in this draft to come and take over for Jameis? Get a clue.
December 18th, 2018 at 4:13 am
LUVMYBUCS:
Mike Mularkey? That dinosaur was run out of Tennessee. His old school offense was replaced with a modern NFL offense run by the young hotshot Matt LaFleur who came from McVay’s system.
December 18th, 2018 at 7:13 am
Ndog- C’mon man. What your post just told me is that you are not a Bucs fan. It tells me that you’re a Jameis fan.
For someone who has railed against all the detractors and pointed out time and again that it’s not Jameis fault, you of all people should WANT the new HC to have Jameis. That is, IF your theory is correct.
But, if all it takes for you to jump ship is a little criticism of Jameis Winston, you were never a Buc fan to begin with, IMO.
December 18th, 2018 at 10:17 am
After 52 NFL games, is anybody really thinking they are gonna see anything new from Jameis Winston? Under this new, careful and paper-thin QB skin lies the same gun-slinging streetball QB there has always been.
Big difference now is that he will cost us $20,922,000 to be disappointed.
December 18th, 2018 at 10:21 am
Soebuc,
How many?
Who cares, we need only 1.
December 18th, 2018 at 3:35 pm
tickrdr
Thank you, Sir.
I’ve always enjoyed your post as well