Erratic Jameis + Special Jameis = Smiling Head Coach
November 18th, 2018
Yes, the Bucs are a weird football team, arguably the greatest soap opera in professional sports.
Dirk Koetter benched Jameis Winston three weeks and dug in on the wacky decision even when the replacement for America’s Quarterback was awful.
Today, as Bucs fans saw, Jameis was unshackled in the third quarter against the Giants and was quite shaky early before settling in to put up big numbers.
After the game, Joe asked Koetter for his assessment of how Jameis played and Koetter, the guy who benched Jameis, laughed at the question and didn’t think it needed to be asked. (You can’t make this stuff up.).
“(Laughs and smiles) Fantastic,” Koetter said of Jameis’ play. “You don’t need to ask me that question. It’s pretty obvious he came in and lit it up.”
Joe had to laugh, too. Was it really that obvious? If Jameis’ early red zone fumble didn’t bounce to Mike Evans, then Koetter probably has a very different answer, same for if one of the balls Jameis fired to Giants defensive players was caught.
But that’s football, random bounces change games and perceptions all the time, even those of head coaches.
Joe also asked Koetter if he second-guessed his decision to start Ryan Fitzpatrick over Jameis. And almost on cue, he second-guessed his answer.
“No. (pause) I mean, you could second-guess every play out there. I mean, any play that doesn’t work, any decision that doesn’t work, of course, that’s the NFL,” Koetter said.
It’s just been one of those years for Koetter. The Bucs have lost 70 percent of games this season; Joe estimates that’s about the percent of wrong buttons Koetter has pushed compared to right ones.
November 18th, 2018 at 6:32 pm
Djax should watch some Julio Jones highlights. Ijs
Why does Winston even throw to Djax anymore? Cut that dude off Jameis.
November 18th, 2018 at 6:32 pm
AMERICAS TURNOVER MACHINE
November 18th, 2018 at 6:33 pm
Please clean house and hire someone to run this organization!
November 18th, 2018 at 6:34 pm
And another LOSS
November 18th, 2018 at 6:36 pm
I thought Jameis played reasonably well all things considered. Yeah he nearly cost us a score at the goal line and should’ve been picked off twice on the drive that ended in a Hump TD but over all thought he played well.
November 18th, 2018 at 6:37 pm
The only possible win left is next week. Maybe atl last game. We are at best winning 5 games.
November 18th, 2018 at 6:38 pm
Don’t think it matters who plays qb as bad as defense and special teams have played this season.
November 18th, 2018 at 6:39 pm
Glazers need to do the right thing by us season ticket holders…. if we lose 70% of our games they should reduce the price of season tickets for 2019 by 70%…. it seems only fair.
November 18th, 2018 at 6:40 pm
tank….please
November 18th, 2018 at 6:41 pm
How ’bout this: They could keep Koetter on as OC since his offense is tops in the league and just bring in former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice as HC (if the Browns don’t hire her) since she would obviously be smart enough to not throw the challenge flag when they’re not allowed to (causing penalties), try to challenge when they have no time-outs (causing penalties) or a plethora of other dumb things we’ve seen.
November 18th, 2018 at 6:42 pm
Same ol crap offense if ya ask me. Don’t do squat the first half then are able put points on the board once they see prevent d fenses and when the pressure is gone.
It was a good step for Winston. He can take another step by playing like a pro to start a game and giving us 60 mins.
November 18th, 2018 at 6:43 pm
It’s shocking to me. It’s no easy feat for a professional QB to throw for 20 yards and 4 TD possessions in a quarter and a half. One that does so, at 24 years old, has some skill. Hard to find young players like that. When a team does, and that young player is not succeeding due to a lack of consistency, you’d like to think it would give that player some fresh coaching to see if you can help him find consistency.
Yet a large portion of this fan base can’t wait to get rid of a talented young player. Since he hasn’t succeeded under this coaching staff (which has failed in developing almost any young player in this roster outside of its pass catchers), this fan base assumes he’ll never succeed under any coaching staff.
November 18th, 2018 at 6:44 pm
Buc believer Says: Glazers need to do the right thing by us season ticket holders…. if we lose 70% of our games they should reduce the price of season tickets for 2019 by 70%.
Yes, I’m sure that’ll be happening.
November 18th, 2018 at 6:46 pm
I won’t be holding my breath Ludicrous.
November 18th, 2018 at 6:48 pm
If our 2003 defense came out of retirement they would put this defense to shame. This defense has no heart.
November 18th, 2018 at 6:48 pm
Genuinely curious Joe, are your traffic figures better when the Bucs are winning, or when they an absolute dumpster fire stoogeshow? Traffic is significantly better when the team wins. Always! –Joe
November 18th, 2018 at 6:56 pm
Bculaw Says:
November 18th, 2018 at 6:43 pm
It’s shocking to me. It’s no easy feat for a professional QB to throw for 20 yards and 4 TD possessions in a quarter and a half. One that does so, at 24 years old, has some skill. Hard to find young players like that. When a team does, and that young player is not succeeding due to a lack of consistency, you’d like to think it would give that player some fresh coaching to see if you can help him find consistency.
Yet a large portion of this fan base can’t wait to get rid of a talented young player. Since he hasn’t succeeded under this coaching staff (which has failed in developing almost any young player in this roster outside of its pass catchers), this fan base assumes he’ll never succeed under any coaching staff.
Because these people are idiots!
November 18th, 2018 at 7:02 pm
Ndog pointing out the obvious.
November 18th, 2018 at 7:03 pm
I’d like to know more about this visor he was wearing I’ve been hearing about. Was it prescription? His throws were crisp and on the money
November 18th, 2018 at 7:04 pm
TheBucsAnthem a coward at its finest. One who speaks in the dark without ever shedding light on another. Maybe you should do some soul searching before you will ever be able to influence another. Simple as that!
November 18th, 2018 at 7:04 pm
Fitzpatrick fans are idiots. Winston fans are not idiots. This saga could only happen in Tampa. A GM who should’ve never got the job has a reputation for hiring crap, signing crap, and drafting bad. Fireeee Licht
November 18th, 2018 at 7:06 pm
I guess it doesn’t matter much that Santos was right down the middle on his 5 extra points….
But……I don’t think any of his kickoffs went for touchbacks……I hope that was by design because we don’t have very good coverage.
November 18th, 2018 at 7:10 pm
Gruden gets the win, moves within one of Dirk.
November 18th, 2018 at 7:12 pm
Tampabaybucfan – I wanted Santos last year, he was an excellent kicker in KC before he got injured, and he kicked well in bad weather. We will see if the curse of Roberto catches up with us, but so far, so good.
November 18th, 2018 at 7:18 pm
Fitz did the same vs Cincy after Jabust threw 4 picks. They both suck.
74 turnovers in 49 games? He could have tacked on a few more today.
Winston is garbage. Only morons want to keep him. He plays well when there’s zero pressure and the games are meaningless. He sucks when it’s real bullets flying.
I’m tired of arguing with the fsu fan boi’s. He should play until his next 3 pick game and then he should be pulled. Put Griffin in but Winston is done here.
Bring him back and watch that stadium be half full at best. He’s lost a lot of the fan base this year. Only his diehards are hanging on to that FSU freshman year.
You will all hopefully disappear when he does…finally?
November 18th, 2018 at 7:19 pm
Also ask if all these other teams with young’s QBs should be crucifying their QB because they through interceptions in the game. Jameis has never had a defense so fix that then we will talk.
November 18th, 2018 at 7:20 pm
OMG, Wentz is such a bust, down 48-7 he throws an INT on a deep pass. They need to cut him, they were totally in it before that INT.
November 18th, 2018 at 7:23 pm
T-Rex calm down and let it play out.
Winston will be in there next week and he can change a lot of opinions in the last 6 games.
Winston just got benched. He had never been benched before and has a mental affect on a player. QB is a very mental position BTW.
November 18th, 2018 at 7:23 pm
Wentz with TWO INT’s today, TWO!!!! Who cares his defense gave up 48, how are you supposed to win giving up TWO INTs!?! Winston only averages about 1.7, that’s less than two. Wentz is a total bust, they need to bench him for Foles, I mean Foles won a SB, what has Wentz ever done except throw INTs?!
November 18th, 2018 at 7:23 pm
@Rod Munch, hahaha classic. Don’t forget Rodgers and Matty Ice. Both with LOSING records.
November 18th, 2018 at 7:24 pm
Raiders win! We’re only one game out and 6 losses from the number one pic, if the Raiders keep kicking a@s! Jay Miss will help us loose out.
November 18th, 2018 at 7:24 pm
Munch…..Their are fans in Philly that are questioning Wentz already. That’s how the QB position works. Tons of pressure.
November 18th, 2018 at 7:25 pm
TREX I’ll see you at the next game…Oh wait that’s right you are a band wagon fan like the rest. Also I’m not a FSU fan actually a UCF fan because that’s where I went to college as an engineer. Yes I actually did play football and was a captain probably something you never were either when you played football. Your argument about the QB is ridiculous when you should be solely focused on this pathetic defense and coaching gig. I’m just saying if you are going to point the finger point where it counts!
November 18th, 2018 at 7:25 pm
I want to see Jameis the rest of the way. The title of this post is accurate. Jameis provides a spark, but some of the plays were scary to watch unfold. I hope he balls out the rest of the way so we can have him back in 2019 for another 1 year trial.
November 18th, 2018 at 7:26 pm
Stats are for LOSERS
Winners only care about WINS
November 18th, 2018 at 7:26 pm
I think Jameis actually did play pretty decently. And I think he should start the rest of the season. This season was over a couple of games ago.
I’m not a Winston backer, but this loss wasn’t on him, though he clearly still has no sense of ball security which is what got him benched in the first place. On that fumble he had absolutely zero intention of protecting that football, which might’ve been excusable had he been extending for the goal line or something but he wasn’t. But oh well Fitz is the one who threw 3 picks so whatever.
He needs to start the rest of the season so he can solidify his place as a bust. And if he doesn’t and turns it around, then hell yeah im all for it.
I just don’t see it happening
November 18th, 2018 at 7:27 pm
SteveK….I second that emotion.
November 18th, 2018 at 7:28 pm
Saints put up 48 points, they the only team that can win with the Bucs defense
November 18th, 2018 at 7:29 pm
Winston fumbled the ball and threw an interception today, and he only played for one half!!! LOL
November 18th, 2018 at 7:30 pm
T- Rex wants to start Ryan Griffin. LMAO! Ryan Griffin is what he is. A career hanger oner. He has the arm strength of Steve Walsh. Griffin has been a Buc for a while and don’t you think the coaches have watched him every practice, OTA’s and preseason? Please stop with the lunatic Ryan Griffin chants. You clowns act like you have Tom Brady in a reserve roll that the coach won’t play. Brady played because Belichick saw him in practice everyday. Ryan Griffin, GTFOH!
November 18th, 2018 at 7:32 pm
I guess the 29 offensive turnovers don’t contribute to a poor defense
November 18th, 2018 at 7:33 pm
When your offense is turning the ball over THREE times a game
Your chances are winning is slim and none
November 18th, 2018 at 7:34 pm
And yes been traveling over 400 miles for the games to see the stadium is half full when they lose as a season ticket holder. Which hello no surprise! Win and they will come back like yourselves. I study, played, and watched plenty of football to realize the QB is not the issue at this time. All coaching, development, and discipline issues with this team. The Bucs won’t let moron fans run one of the best players we have out of town and his name is Jameis Winston! Go Buccaneers!
November 18th, 2018 at 7:34 pm
If you look at the last two seasons over half of the interceptions are on pass attempts to Desean Jackson. Just something to think about. He also cuts into Godwin touches. I’d rather see his money allocated to obtaining defensive help.
November 18th, 2018 at 7:36 pm
If the Saints go 15-1 I’ll actually be really happy about it, not because I like the Saints but in that we ruined a perfect season.
But it won’t compared to ruining the Vikings perfect season in 1998, that was much more satisfying since the Bucs were actually competing for something, plus I was at that game and it’s always fun to taunt and mock Vikings fans.
Bucs should have in ’98 signed Dan Marino who wanted to come here, sure, he was old, but no one will ever convince me he wasn’t better, even at that point, than Trent Dilfer, Shawn King and Steve Walsh, and with even a slight upgrade at QB the Bucs win more than one SB since they get at least one in 1999.
November 18th, 2018 at 7:37 pm
So against the Bengals, Winston throws 4 picks in less than 3 quarters, gets pulled for Fitz, who rallies the team from a 3 TD deficit and ties the game, only to have the defense give it up late.
Today, Fitz throws 3 picks, gets replaced by Winston who rallies the team to within 3, only to have the defense look like an open gate.
Are we sensing a pattern here?
The defense is horrible and the QB position is a mess.
November 18th, 2018 at 7:38 pm
Hey Look! I CAN BE LIKE BUCSANTHEM AND TYPE IN CAPITALS. Douche
November 18th, 2018 at 7:39 pm
Buc68 – I’d say most of Winston’s TO’s are when throwing to Hump. Again if anyone knows of where to find those numbers let me know, would be interesting to see. The TO’s to Jackson are more high profile since they happen on deep balls generally, but the ones to Hump underneath seem to happen quite a bit more often and I think it’s because Hump is small and gets knocked off the ball. Today he made a nice breakup to save the INT, but Winston gets in more trouble throwing to him than anyone else.
November 18th, 2018 at 7:39 pm
Buy more season tickets.
Love and warmth,
The Chic-Fil-A Cows.
November 18th, 2018 at 7:40 pm
@Lakeland,
How much is this bad defense contributing to the Bucs offense? They never seem to get them a short field.
When you have 500 yards and turn the ball over most likely it is after a long drive, in the other teams territory. The problem is the Bucs defense can’t get off the field or stop anyone once the other team gets in the red zone.
November 18th, 2018 at 7:44 pm
The Bucs offense are 1st in Total Yards
1st in Turnovers
November 18th, 2018 at 7:48 pm
I’ve about had it with “Joebucsfan”. You just seem to struggle to conceal a noticable level of narcissism. :/
November 18th, 2018 at 7:48 pm
Dapostman
I could swear I seen a pick 6 from the Bucs offense today
And didn’t the Giants get a FG off another turnover
November 18th, 2018 at 7:53 pm
The score was 14-7
Then came the pick 6…21-7
Then another INT, FG…24-7
Maybe all of these offensive turnovers are killing the morale of the defense. As well as giving up points
November 18th, 2018 at 7:55 pm
Lakeland,
I wasn’t just talking about today. All season.
November 18th, 2018 at 7:55 pm
@ JimmyJack – I’m fine. I’m tired of these fans that care more about a single player than the actual team. I’ve seen 4 years of Winston and the guy turns it over…a lot. It’s in his DNA. These games are meaningless so he’ll probably play well then come next year he’ll suck in the 1st half of the season. The idiots will blame it on the new offense he’s learning. Hell naw. We’ve seen all we need to see.
@ UCF Engineer/Captain of a bunch of losers – Listen boy, I grew up here and my family had season tix for 30 plus years and then got my own tix when I could afford it. I even had 4 club seats for the last 3 years. I did not renew this year because they suck and that money went to the Lightning to upgrade our seats to 4 rows off the ice. Much better investment. I’m still a Bucs fan but refuse to give any more money to the Glazers. That’s my right. I got your band wagon right here. LOL.
November 18th, 2018 at 8:01 pm
Last week the defense held Washington to 16 points
And the offense racked up over 500 yards
And scored 3 points
November 18th, 2018 at 8:11 pm
Clarence Says: Genuinely curious Joe, are your traffic figures better when the Bucs are winning, or when they an absolute dumpster fire stoogeshow?
Traffic is significantly better when the team wins. Always! –Joe
That’s interesting as it’s completely opposite talk radio. Sports talk radio hosts have always lamented that they go begging for callers when they win/play well, yet when they suck, everybody and their brother wants to call in and dump on them.
November 18th, 2018 at 8:14 pm
“Klueless Koetter aka Americas Bipolar HC”
Kobe Faker
November 18th, 2018 at 8:18 pm
Hmm funny I was right young TREX. I bet you are actually not a true Florida boy either. Just saying my passion goes deeper with this team and the sport to recognize folks who just talk. So do us all a favor and go cheer for the Bolts! When we start winning again I’ll let you know so then you can jump back on the wagon.
November 18th, 2018 at 9:00 pm
@ I’m tired – No loser…it’s simple math. I want a decent ROI/product for my hard earned dollars. I’m not some blind loser that will dump money into an organization that is clueless and ruined two sports franchises on two continents. You don’t know a thing about me or my back ground. I’ve been here since I was nine and been to 200+ home games. Apparently, you’re too stupid to recognize anything. We support all three sports teams here. I CHOOSE where to spend my money. I gave the Glazers many chances to fix the team. If you think me withholding MY money is “talk”…you’re as dumb as they are. Have a great night.
November 18th, 2018 at 9:09 pm
Db55 agree did you see that 3 of the 4 interceptions today were intended for Jackson. The last throw by jameis he didn’t even make an attempt to knock the ball down. He looked like grimes jumping out of the way of tackles today. The tape I saw on grimes he has no business starting. I know we are thin at corner but pick some young guys off the street and put them in the fire and see if you can get lucky and find a player. No sense in starting a 35 year old corner who literally ran away from a block so he didn’t get hit today. Then tries a half ass tackle of Barkley when he jumped him. Add on the 10 yard cushion. You give that much cushion and still miss the tackle. And two more people need to be called out glanton gave up the first two touchdown he had outside and never went with Barkley on the pass then on first rushing touchdown he can inside and left the outside wide open. And vea I keyed on him a lot and he was getting pushed out of the hole every play. They were running right at him and by the time Barkley got to his hole he was pushed 6 yards away. I think Licht is the biggest problem on this team. Koetter is an offensive coach and are offensive is number one in the league. With no running game and musics qbs.
I heard Licht today on the pregame on 98 rock talking about Santos. Came off so arrogant. He said we worked Santos out last year and we wanted him then but he had a groin injury. So we got chandler but now Santos is healthy and we got the kicker we really wanted so it all worked out. What kind of response is that. You wasted 3.75 million dollars and the everything worked out kicker lost us the game or chance to tie in three games chasing his missed extra points with two pint conversions. And had he made the first two in Washington. You never know how that game would have turned out. So to be so arrogant as to say it all worked just really pissed me off. Can’t even admit your own mistakes. The team has no talent on defense except for maybe 3-4 guys. No depth and he never addresses glaring holes. Taking luxury picks in the first round of drafts. He should be relieved of his duties today. I am every week seeing teams pick up cornerbacks who come in game one and play good and get a pick or some pass defensed. And yet we stay with the trash we got. We have Rodgers the slowest runningback in the league returning kickoffs. Coleman for the giants looked pretty damn good returning kicks and he was on the streets three of four times this season. And then you you won’t let Desean Jackson return punts. When I see Alvin Kamara returning punts for the saints there Star runningback. But we are scared to let are aging won’t be here next year wide receiver who can take on to the house any time return one.
The next time I see Jackson make an attempt to catch a ball that doesn’t hit him in the chest will be the first time I have seen him do it. You can’t trade him fast enough this offseason for a yardmaker and Gatorade cooler.
November 18th, 2018 at 9:44 pm
That winston is the same winston as always. Amazing play but at some point he loses the game for his team. He will always be Americas turnover machine same as he was in college. A new coach will not change that, fine to move on
November 18th, 2018 at 10:10 pm
@TBBF: On a cold day a football flies like a brick. Heavy air and no compression in the cold ball means it won’t fly far.
Neither team kicked a touchback.
November 18th, 2018 at 10:16 pm
watching the Bears now–they used to be a bottom rung team Hmm–in 1 season they have dramatically improved. Even Saints used to be a bottom dweller–we need to make some well thought out changes for this Bucs dumpster fire team to start burning hot.
November 18th, 2018 at 10:30 pm
appreciate the commentary jeffbuc
agree with all of it
we should let Jackson go now to make a point
we desperately need a new GM and a new HC
need so many defensive players wow we really suck after all these years of Jason Licht
November 19th, 2018 at 6:06 am
I have to laugh! I mean, I guess credit where it’s due?! We lost. And, as “good” as Jameis looked there’s not a single person who can tell me that there weren’t some EXTREMELY cringe-worthy moments.
Do the Bucs win if Jameis starts that game? Who knows. We’re not getting production from the position, not enough to win anyway.
Turnovers are what’s killing this team.
November 19th, 2018 at 6:57 am
It’s why Licht needs to be fired. He’s a terrible GM. Five years to build a winner, including hiring the right coaching staff, is enough.
November 19th, 2018 at 8:30 am
Hey, Im tired and 87 is right. TREX was here long before you or 87 crossed the scuppers here on JBF. He has an opinion just like you do. He appears capable enough to be able to type and use the internet. Why such vile words to another Buccaneers fan who says what he feels and has decided to take HIS hard earned money and put it to something that HE enjoys and one that has a good product. Nice and all that you where a captain of the football team at UCF and all and that you have been a fan for years. We most ALL have been Buccaneers fans for years. We all want to win and to win consistently. why