Enough With The $21 Million Excuse

November 9th, 2018

Joe notices the haters of America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston, quickly point to his projected salary of some $21 million next year as a reason he cannot be pushed out the door of One Buc Palace quick enough.

As Joe’s good friend the dean of Tampa Bay sports radio Steve Duemig would holler, “BULLSPIT!”

If that is the best reason for folks to drum up to run off Jameis, that tells Joe they are not watching Bucs games.

That horrid defense the Bucs trot out each Sunday, you know, the one barreling towards being the worst in NFL history? There’s a helluva lot of Team Glazer loot being absolutely flushed down the toilet there.

Joe looked at some 2019 projected salaries, per Spotrac.com. This ought to bunch up your briefs. Here are next year’s salaries of current Bucs defensive starters.

Jason Pierre-Paul $14,500,000
Gerald McCoy $13,000,000
Lavonte David $9,750,000
Vinny Curry $8,000,000
Vernon Hargreaves $4,511,076

And that’s not counting the salaries of guys in the FBI’s Witness Protection Program, such as Beau Allen $5,000,000; Will Gholston $3,750,000; Mitch Unrein $3,750,000; and Noah Spence $1,920,642.

A helluva lot more than Jameis’ 2019 salary could be carved off right there and you wouldn’t even know these dudes were missing from the roster. That’s because it’s hard to remember most of these guys making a play (JPP and Curry not included). At least Joe can remember GMC and David making one play each.

Jameis’ 2019 salary would likely place him at No. 18 in quarterback salaries just above Nick Foles.

105 Responses to “Enough With The $21 Million Excuse”

  1. BucTown Says:

    So many reasons to push him out the door – money might be the least of them.

  2. Not there yet Says:

    I would keep Winston over all of the guys on defense except the ones in the first year. Geraldine Gholston David and vh3 cover his salary and then some. Someone smart will come in and get draft picks for the losers who come here a decade ago and couldn’t make a difference

  3. Joe Says:

    I would keep Winston over all of the guys on defense except the ones in the first year.

    JPP???

  4. JimmyJack Says:

    Only one guy should decide who this team has at QB next year. His name ain’t Dirk.

  5. Season Is Over Says:

    \o/ We are good because the other side of the ball is worse. Great logic and a successful winning strategy for sure.

  6. GhostofSchiano Says:

    JPP is the only one earning his salary. I would cut everyone on that list except JPP. If the Bucs go 0-2 I would start Winston the last six games to see if there is any hope.

  7. BigPoppaBuc Says:

    Yeah I’ve always disagreed with the salary argument. That’s the price for a starting QB. In fact, the Bucs have the upper hand in negotiations if Winston is looking to sign a new contract in Tampa (which I don’t think he wants to or will). But the Bucs could be in a position to actually get a discount do to his off the field troubles coupled with his inconsistencies. This keeps Winston affordable AND more open to the trade market. Having starting caliber QBs on your roster is always a good thing. Even if he’s not “the future”. But if you just let him walk you get NOTHING in return.

  8. LakeLand Says:

    The Bucs have invested more than $52.6 million in salary to the defensive line this season, which represents 27.35 percent of their salary cap. That makes it the NFL’s richest defensive line this season.

  9. Stravenite Says:

    A lot to pay a backup QB !!!

  10. Pancake block Says:

    probably add Grimes to this list of wobegones

  11. Joe Says:

    probably add Grimes to this list of wobegones

    Not under contract for next season.

  12. Lord Cornelius Says:

    @Lakeland.

    And that’s a horrible indictment on Licht.

    If I’m the Glazers I’m saying “well we let you draft who you wanted. We kept the staff in place. We let you spend however you wanted on the defense. Why is it still f*cking pathetic?”

    Clean house. Keep Winston and give him one more chance since the 2019 QB class sucks and we won’t have a top pick anyway. New offensive mind. New defensive mind. New organizational hierarchy and direction.

  13. LakeLand Says:

    They are paying a lot to a backup TE,DE, DT, WR

  14. Lord Cornelius Says:

    “Not under contract for next season.”

    It’s still a lot of $$ on our books right now that will be freed tho

  15. Easy Says:

    L E E I bet you have a Winston shrine in your living room.

  16. Dapostman Says:

    Keep the effort guys and get rid of the lollygaggers. Pretty simple.

  17. Buc1987 Says:

    Glennon made 18 million for one season with the Bears…..

  18. Pete I Says:

    Everyone is basically overpaid on this squad given the results. Winston also sucks. Lots of reasons for Winston to go, shoot the Bucs should pay him 20 million if he would leave and take his inaccurate turnovers with him, would be worth it.

  19. Lord Cornelius Says:

    lol Winston was like 12th in QBR before the Cincy loss. He’s objectively been a top 1/2 QB by most every stat since he’s been in the league.

    I guess that “sucks” objectively

  20. [email protected] Says:

    That a because it’s not your money you’re trying to blow and bringing up the other losers names you named besides a couple doesn’t justify spending it on him! You try so hard defending him and even when you write an article calling him out its really not calling him out you find excuses for him I know you want him to be the franchise guy so bad but he is not you bring up his name among the greats because of some of his stats but he has less wins in the same amount of starts as Freeman but you bash him every chance you get! He is the closest thing to a franchise QB we’ve had in a while so I get your crush on him but close isn’t good enough in this case!

  21. Bad Influence Says:

    Agree. It’s not about the money when it comes to Winston. It’s about him not learning how to be a reliable QB after 4 long years.

  22. Rod Munch Says:

    Anyone calling for Jameis to be pushed out the door is what is commonly referred to as an idiot, and the world would be a better place if they pushed themselves off the ledge of 100 North Tampa.

  23. WalkdaPlank Says:

    I guess to the Joes it’s okay to throw 21 mil at a guy who can’t throw to his own team just so long as the other guys getting paid suck too.

    I agree with Joe on everything except his take on QB’s.

  24. El Buco Realisto Says:

    Joe is trying to defend ( make excuses) for Jw3, But in reality made a huge argument that none of them are worth it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    GO Bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  25. Jammin Says:

    So tired of these A$$&*^#@ “FANS” who don’t want to give Winston more time. He is 24 years old. All the great quarterbacks have throw 4 picks in a game. Who the heck is your QB moving forward? Why are you all so passionate to get this young man out of town? It SCREAMS RACISM. Where is all this passion towards the real problem facing this team. THE DEFENSE!!!!! Its been horrid for years. It is such a Bucs move to let a talented young player leave town. How many QB’s do the Bucs have to draft and release that go on to have great careers? Look at this teams freaking history and stop being racist.

  26. SilverBuc Says:

    Lakeland, that makes me sick… most expensive defensive line in the league and we have potentially the worst defense in NFL history…:puke:

  27. RealBucs Fan Says:

    Anyone that wants to get rid of Winston is an Idiot.

  28. WalkdaPlank Says:

    “It SCREAMS RACISM”

    Lmfao thanks for the laugh bud

  29. I Bleed Pewter Says:

    You people must love to lose. Winston hasn’t won bullspit since he’s been here. He’s the only QB in the NFCSouth that needs everything to be perfect to bail his turnover @ss out.
    Does Cam need everything to be perfect to win games? ..NO
    Does Brees need everything to be perfect to win games? ..NO
    Does Ryan need everything to be perfect to win games? ..the answer is NO
    Does Jameis? …evidently
    I think we could get the same or better production from a rookie but let’s go ahead and keep giving him more chances cause this fanbase doesn’t know what be a winner is. It seems so many want to lose hoping Jameis can all of a sudden change his spots. I’m sick of waiting for diaper dandy to grow up. I’m sick of losing.

  30. I Bleed Pewter Says:

    Jammin you’re a racist

  31. ben Says:

    push Winston out the door and bucs move on.. Winston is thought of as a questionable guy nationally on and off the field.. he is best an average qb with great receivers

  32. Jean Lafitte Says:

    My black @$$ is tired of being called a racist. I don’t like Jameis. He sucks.

  33. El Buco Realisto Says:

    Are some of the so-called fans think that the Bucs cannot draft someone that can get suspended, not able to throw a deep ball and throw more INT’s then TD’s??????????

    Go Bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  34. JimmyJack Says:

    I will give Winston one more season. But only if my new HC will have him.

    Yes I will open myself to absolute ridicule and name my 2 canidates for next H.C………….John Fox or Jason Garret. Tyvm

  35. Jean Lafitte Says:

    Rod I like to push your sorry @ss in front of a moving city bus.

  36. Pete Mitchell Says:

    JBF Mid-Season Pole:

    Who is leading the Buccaneers next year:

    A) Dirk Koetter and Jason Licht
    B) Just Jason Licht with a new HC
    C) Just Dirk Koetter with a new GM
    D) New HC and GM

  37. Jean Lafitte Says:

    B

  38. Rod Munch Says:

    Som fun facts about the Bucs…

    Under Winston the Bucs moved up to the #1 in offense.
    Under Fitz they were #3, then last week after a 301 yards total day moved down to #2 in offense.

    But but but who cares about stats, it’s all about points!!!!

    Fun fact: The Bucs score more points when Winston starts.

    Bucs points per game in Winston starts: 29.6
    Bucs points per game in Fitz starts: 28.0

    Yeah, but Winston throws 43 INTs a game and doesn’t give the defense a chance and that’s why the defense is so bad, it’s all Winston’s fault….

    Fun fact: The Bucs defense gives up less points when Winston starts.

    Opponents average when Fitz starts: 36.2
    Opponents average when Jameis starts: 31.3

    So in closing the Bucs offense gets more yards and points, and the defense gives up less points, when Jameis is starting.

    That’s what a leader does – he makes the team better, and as we see from the numbers, the team is better under Winston.

  39. Alaskan Abdominal Snowman Says:

    Look at this years crop of rookie QBs. Nobody is doing squat. So Jameis started as one of the best rookie years in history and you assume we could just draft some one and do what he did?
    Jameis is an average QB, big Fn deal. He is 24 and better than half the QBs in this league and is going to get better like anyone who works hard at their craft.

  40. JimmyJack Says:

    Jean I volunteer to get on all four and setup behind Munch. We need to be certain your push lands.

  41. Hoops Says:

    Speaking of salaries, why did they sign Brate to 7 million a year if they aren’t going to use him? Thought the plan was to use OJ and Brate together. Don’t think coaches are smart enough to use them together. Just sayin….

  42. JimmyJack Says:

    Yeah Munch…… They were so much better under Winston that it made me want to puke.

  43. Alaskan Abdominal Snowman Says:

    Lol people mad at Rod because he spews facts and it doesn’t fit their agenda to get Jameis out of here. Some of us don’t think it’s wise to get rid of the best QB we have ever had.

  44. Rod Munch Says:

    Jean Lafitte – Settle down. It’s OK for me to wish that you’d throw yourself off a building, you control your own actions and I have nothing to do with it. But that’s not the same as saying you’d like to forcibly hurt someone. Naughty naughty. (To be honest of course I don’t actually care since I know and understand context and don’t do the fake outrage BS.)

    But with that out of the way I do agree with you about the race talk with Jameis, it’s complete and total BS. It’s 2018, no one cares. I love Jameis and know he’s the future of the franchise, and I’m as lilly white as they come (actually more of a pink-beige, but you get the point). Meanwhile half the black people I know want Winston shipped out of town. People talking race are just bores that don’t know how to argue or how to make points.

  45. Coburn Says:

    Only ones that should absolutely stay would be JPP and David. Keep Hargreaves since he was showing improvement and isn’t brwaking bank. We probably could clear more than enough room if we want to give Jameis another year. I personally think I’ve seen enough and the exTra cap may not be needed this year, but cam be rolled forward. If new coach and gm want a Crack at it sure… would rather they have their own guy if at least take someone to compete even if it’s a 2nd or 3rd rounder.. then again if I’m a gm I spend at least a mid rounder or higher every 2nd or 3rd year until I hit with qb being so important even if I think one may already pan out.. may not

  46. JimmyJack Says:

    Hoops……Winston and Brate is a very nice connection. The chemistry they have defiantly helped improve Brates stock.

  47. Rod Munch Says:

    Hoops – Brate signed a deal that basically is a series of one year $7m deals, so the Bucs can dump him at any time without any hit on the salary cap. It’s just the way the Bucs do contracts – so instead of giving Brate say a 5 year deal with a $5m signing bonus and a $4.0million dollar a year deal (just an example, not sure the math works) and then lets say the Bucs want out after year, in the first example it cost them nothing – in the second example, where people say he’s paid more in line with his position, well the Bucs are going to take a $1m/year cap hit for 4 more years to get rid of him.

    So Brate gets more money in year one, meanwhile the Bucs have flexibility if they want to move on or trade him, so he doesn’t stay on the cap for years.

    The numbers I used aren’t the best example, but hopefully it sort of explains the situation. The Bucs have been doing this for a very long time now and they’re basically the only team, I know of, that does business this way, it’s meant to make sure they don’t get into salary cap hell down the road – but often cost them more up front.

  48. Hoops Says:

    I believe Brate has 18 million guaranteed which comes out to 2 and a half years. Too bad they’re not making better use of him. He pretty much catches what they throw to him. Why not use him and get their monies worth. That’s all.

  49. NPRSageBoy Says:

    Bottom line: JayMiss is NOT worth $21M

  50. Lord Cornelius Says:

    El Buco Realisto Says:
    November 9th, 2018 at 4:24 pm
    Are some of the so-called fans think that the Bucs cannot draft someone that can get suspended, not able to throw a deep ball and throw more INT’s then TD’s??????????”

    Historically we have shown we are horrifically bad at drafting or fielding any sort of decent QB. Not sure why getting a franchise QB is all of a sudden supposed to be easier for Bucs lol.

    He has 75 TD to 54 Int for his career. Outside of playing bad in his few games this year that was trending in the right direction along with completion % and basically every other stat.

    He’s objectively been a top 1/3 QB or top 1/2 QB most of the games he’s started by most passing metrics. He’s had a bottom 3 defense and bottom run game his entire career outside of his rookie season when Martin/Sims were good.

    So yeah I worry about replacing that with something better given the history of this organization. I’m speaking purely on the field tho. I don’t think its’ wrong if people want him gone simply for his antics at this point and him not being elite enough to make up for it.

  51. Grt1 Says:

    Sage transgender you’re an idiot! Five year option on Jameis will make him the 18th highest paid QB in the NFL , that’s the going rate on QB’s . That’s a bargain. Please do some research so that’s to keep you from looking totally ignorant. Thanks.

  52. Bob in Valrico Says:

    The NFL has us 9 th in points and with a 28.6 average and 229 points.
    Individual stats show :
    Fitz :108 points 18 TD’s
    Cost…zo 53 points 10 FG’s 23 XPoints
    Jameis 36 points 6 TD’s
    Barber 36 points 6 td’s
    Rojo 6 points 1 TD
    Individual stats also taken from NFL stats with a total of 239 points,if correct
    then we would have 29.87 points a game

  53. PSLBob Says:

    I wish everyone would stop focusing on the players. Granted, effort is lacking in some, but I would bet the house that a legitimate defensive coordinator could come in, revise the schemes and at least create an average defense with the talent currently on the roster. As has been noted by Joe and others, we would win games with an average defense.

  54. ATrain Says:

    Ok Bring Jamies back at 21 million

    Play him the rest of this year and next

    If he is not ELITE which means winning and a lot Less INT

  55. ATrain Says:

    By the way Joe when is it time to call Jamies Outbhow long does he get

    4 yrs
    5 yrs
    6yrs

    ????

  56. Jammin Says:

    Anyone that wants to get rid of Winston is an idiot

  57. Dom is gone.. Licht Says:

    I believe Dirk is a bad coach and Jason is a bad GM!

  58. Jean Lafitte Says:

    How bout this Jameis crotch holders. He ain’t worth 21 million. He’s should get what Fitzpatrick gets since he has not proved to be any better than the beard. In fact, the last I checked he was benched in favor of the beard. The beard is a veteran backup. Crab legs is a 24 year old backup.

  59. PSLBob Says:

    Come on JL, how do you really feel about Jameis?u

  60. Kansas95Buc Says:

    @Jean
    ……why you so angry man lol?

  61. Dom is gone.. Licht Says:

    As long is a new GM and a new coach make the call I’d be fine with it! Licht Picked up his option to say he wasn’t wrong with the pick. I’d like to see Wednesday and eight different system what are you didn’t have to throw the ball 60 times a game.

  62. JimmyJack Says:

    Grt1…….Yes it is a bargain for a Starting QB. The problem maybe that you can only realistically pay one guy starters money. That’s means if you pay Winston you not able to sign another starting caliber QB.

    If you don’t want a QB that turn the ball over at the drop of a coin then signing Winston got starters money gets more complicated.

  63. JimmyJack Says:

    For what’s it’s worth. I would like to see Winston in a different system but I’m not going to pretend that his turnover issues aren’t legit.

  64. JimmyJack Says:

    Winston I love ya bro but you have no respect for that ball. You need to learn how to treat that ball right………..In fact I don’t even want to see you throwing that ball til you simply learn how to hold it.

  65. JimmyJack Says:

    Hashtag paying attention to your lone rushing TD

  66. Bucsboye Says:

    Since you all are “not racist” how about signing Kaepernick!

  67. Buccfan37 Says:

    Jameis will come back, win more games looking good doing it and the fingernails down the chalkboard and gnashing of teeth will subside.

  68. small axe Says:

    nice try joe

  69. Bob in Valrico Says:

    Munch is trying to baffle this site with BS fun facts. He compares jameis three starts to Fitz 5 starts. Any stats worth their salt would throw this bogus comparison out the window.

  70. Dom is gone.. Licht Says:

    Joe if you are going to edit my post … don’t post it.

  71. Bob in Valrico Says:

    edit: stats expert

  72. DB55 Says:

    Joe

    Honestly bro at this point the least you could do is let me carry your laptop into RJS on game day. #JBFCraicResearchTeam

  73. JimmyJack Says:

    Bucsboye………….Kapernock+Winston. Open competition.

  74. Rod Munch Says:

    On the Brate contract, here’s what I see from OverTheCap…

    Brate received $7 million fully guaranteed at signing, which is made up of his 2018 base salary and a $6 million roster bonus. $18 million is guaranteed for injury with his 2019 base salary and $4 million of his 2020 salary being protected for injury. Both will become fully guaranteed if Brate is on the roster on the 5th day of the respective league year. Another $4.2 million in incentives are available.

    More complex deal than what I read at first, but assuming there is no injury the Bucs can still opt out if they wanted to. However Brate has trade value, I don’t foresee the Bucs just dumping him to clear up cap space, but I also doubt he sticks around for $7m a year – but the Bucs use a ton of 2 TE sets, so it’s not like he’s just dead weight, the Bucs just have a ton of weapons.

  75. JimmyJack Says:

    Yo Munch. Those are some sweet figures……..Might be a lot of hate for Jason Licht but ya gotta love his deals.

  76. Rod Munch Says:

    “Bob in Valrico Says:
    November 9th, 2018 at 6:14 pm
    Munch is trying to baffle this site with BS fun facts. He compares jameis three starts to Fitz 5 starts.”

    Well OK, we take out Fitz’s 2-0 start and the historic stats he put up and just look at his last 3 games…

    So the last 3 games of Fitz and Winston per Bob’s “fairness” doctrine…

    Bucs record…

    Winston 1-2
    Fitz 0-3

    Bucs points per game in last 3 starts of each…

    Winston: 29.6
    Fitz: 21.6

    Bucs points against per game in last 3 starts of each…

    Winston: 31.3
    Fitz: 40.0

    So there you go Bob, last three starts of each to make it fair and the Bucs are -1.7 points if Winston starts, or -18.4 points if Fitz starts.

  77. Rod Munch Says:

    JimmyJack – Not a swipe at Licht saying this but Dom did the same thing. It’s a mandate from the Glazers that started under Bruce Allen so they’d never have to hear the salary cap hell excuse again. I think it’s harder to get deals done this way, and I think it often ends up costing a bit more money, but it does give you excellent flexibility to dump guys if it’s not working out without those signing bonuses eating away at your salary cap. Also if the Bucs did get good and go on a run they could free up a ton of space by just redoing deals for guys by giving them signing bonuses – it would be a short term advantage that isn’t apparent from just looking at the cap number.

    As far as I know only the Bucs operate this way.

  78. Jean Lafitte Says:

    Kaepernick sucks to race baiter

  79. Bob in Valrico Says:

    Munch , Nothing to do with fairness . Its a matter of picking and choosing
    facts to present a false narrative.

  80. Rod Munch Says:

    That’s it Bob, I made you look like a fool with your 3 game sample size argument.

    Also weren’t you the dummy who said the other day that fact is Winston only has 1 TD in his last 2 games, then I pointed out that Tom Brady only has 1 TD in his last 2 games. LOL! What an idiot I made you like.

    Anywho you shouldn’t argue numbers with someone who is clearly superior to you in every way. Just argue how Winston makes you feel, like how he makes you angry, constipated, bloated, emotionally unhinged, depressed, overly sensitive, etc. Then your fellow triggered Winston haters can jump on board with you and you all can start your own PMS group.

  81. El Buco Realisto Says:

    What munch isn’t saying is that those numbers for jw3 came from the 3 worst defenses that the Bucs have played!!!!!! In fact Atlanta, Cleveland and Bengals are just about the bottom of the league for defenses!!!!!! Jw3 should have lit them up!!!!!!!

    28th, 30th, and 32nd in yards per game

    28th, 29th, and 30th in pts allowed per game!!!!!!!

    Jw3 should have lit those team up!!!!!!!!!!!

  82. Bob in Valrico Says:

    Munch
    All I see is that I baited you about your false fun facts ,because you think you are so superior you acted like an idiot and started your namecalling . You are proof that its foolish to argue with an idiot. You tried to take me down to your level ,so you could beat me with experience. Go back and ask the mirror who is the smartest person on the site. See,Ya Rod you just aren’t worth the effort.

  83. Pittsshore Says:

    America’s bench warmer and turn over machine will not be here this year. That’s way too much money to pay a backup.

  84. TouchDownTampaBay Says:

    With all the holes on defense you want to run off Winston so that we could blow a first rounder on a reach at QB vs taking a DE or CB that could make an immediate impact. #1 offense in the league and $32 defense, but lets focus all on the offense and hurt the team by creating an unnecessary need next year.

  85. Matt Says:

    Apparently Joe never heard of a logical fallacy…

    We have other overpaid players that aren’t close to worth their value so… it’s ok to pay another guy nowhere near his worth.

    That’s not exactly how you build a winning team Joe.

    The reality is Jameis is a bottom tier QB1 top tier QB2. Those QBs don’t win you titles. They gobble too much of the cap and they aren’t good enough.

  86. D1 Says:

    Bob in valrico,

    Look at opponents and schedule strength…..
    That should balance the facts

  87. Rob Says:

    Continue to tie yourself to Jamies. Go ahead, all it’ll cost you is credibility. Please tell me, what other elite level quarterback has EVER been benched for sucking out loud? The only thing consistent with Jameis is his inconsistency. He is a headcase, and a bust.

  88. Dre Says:

    Joe you’re quarterback Jameis Winston is garbage … I just want you to know that I’m case your hard headedness forgets again …. I hope the bucs releases him … he does not win games … he throws dimes to the opponent every game … and if he ever starts another game he’s going to throw two more picks because he sucks … thank you and good night …. p.s learn how to choose players to like that are actually good players and not overrated players like jameis and your secret lover Gerald McCoy .. ta ya for now

  89. D1 Says:

    Fitz……..v……Winston
    TD/int 13-5. 6-10
    QBR. 78.7. 56.1
    Comp% 68.1. 64.9

    Seventh rd pk v. 1st in the draft.

  90. Rod Munch Says:

    D1… wait, you dummies are the ones that say stats don’t matter… now stats do matter? LOL! You cupcakes need to get on the same page.

  91. D1 Says:

    Winston vs defense ranked

    Chicago..#3
    Cleveland #30
    Cincinnati #27
    Atlanta. #25

    Currently, League standings
    Fitzpatrick is #1 in the following categories…
    Passing TD % idx
    Passing TD %
    Net yds/pass att idx
    Yds/pass att idx
    Net yds/pass att
    Yds/pass comp
    Yds/pass att

  92. D1 Says:

    Rod I never have said that……you put up numbers that attempted to validate your opinion, not me. Try again…

  93. D1 Says:

    Winston
    3 seasons top 10 League standings,
    Fumbles
    Pick 6
    Int’ s

  94. Pittsshore Says:

    You do know that Joe is trolling us in order to get a reaction in hope of bringing folks to his site. The more folks to the site the more money in his pocket. He needs Winston to be good in order to get all the lame FSU folks on his site. Now that he is a proven loser, Joe must resort to other ways to get folks to his site. Your a $mart man Joe

  95. Reach87 Says:

    Ok, now that all the bleeding has been done, knowledgeable fans step back and see the real problem with the team THIS YEAR. Horrible defense and mid-low level special teams. Those are our weaknesses that every other coaching staff gets paid to recognize and exploit. Our coaches get paid to mitigate those weaknesses and capitalize on our strengths. Lots of ways to fix it THIS YEAR. We will play better and win some games. Go Bucs!

  96. Reach87 Says:

    You people who use the sophomoric term “nut huggers “ crack me up. Dumbest insult in sports. Doesn’t strengthen your argument, but does make you look like a potential future high school junior. Fact is most people want us to win. Fact is Winston is on the bench, so he’s got nothing to do with the loss. Fact is our offense is pretty potent with Fitz or whomever. Fact is our defense is not getting it done and our special teams have been mediocre. Fact is football is a team game and the team has a losing record. Fact is we still have a chance to fix it. Go Bucs!

  97. Jlbucs Says:

    You can’t be Ben Roethlisberger off the field and Tim Tebow on the field and expect to get a long term contract.

  98. Bucoutahere Says:

    Fitz gonna win the ship. Jaymiss is worst quarterback ever. Hes reason team bad let him go now!!

    Sinceralay
    All the ignorant fans

    Ps. Just look stats fitz is definitely best ever. Crab legs boi just horad

  99. Babalyon Says:

    …same old stuff,
    different year | different coaches | same dumb-ass owners | same dumb-ass results -never-serious-all talk-football is the dynasty here in Tampa.

  100. Babalyon Says:

    …same old stuff,
    different year | some different coaches | some different players | same dumb-ass owners | same dumb-ass results -never a serious football game | -all talk-football is the dynasty here in Tampa, just ask Joe, he talks the same old excuses, don’t ya’ Joe?

  101. Joe Says:

    Babylon:

    And that road ends this year.

  102. Babalyon Says:

    Love ya’ Joe, just be real, Tampa is known for easy money | easy pay, lack of work ethic, inspired by years and years of has-been rotational players, potentially endless underachiever players and rotational never could play 90 minute, absolutely unprepared coaches, in a media driven business, that keeps hyping a sideshow, …please don’t follow the lemmings -Joe?

    When the heck are we going to demand good football in this town?

  103. CrackerBall Says:

    Enough of the Jameis excuses – I don’t care what the market will bear, I don’t care where the salary cap is – on a team filled with holes, $21 million for Jameis is just bad business.

  104. Rod Munch Says:

    The triggered Winston haters now dismissing Fitz being awful and just saying everyone is awful. LOL! What idiots.

  105. Rod Munch Says:

    Still have plenty of time, it’s not like the Bucs offense can’t score points.

 

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