“In His Fourth Year, I Mean, It’s Time. It’s Time.”

April 6th, 2018

A Buccaneers icon got a chance to deliver a state of Jameis address recently, and he did not disappoint.

Yes, America’s Quarterback, Jameis Winston, is at a crossroads of his career. Take a look at modern NFL history and try to find a starting QB who got a fifth season with his team after four years starting consistently without a playoff appearance. Good luck!

Hopefully, Jameis breaks into the playoffs this season. If he doesn’t, he’ll find himself into that very rare and rocky boat — and entering a contract year.

Right now, Jameis is an average quarterback in the NFC. Don’t think so? How many general managers would prefer Jameis over Jared Goff, Russell Wilson, Matthew Stafford, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Matt Ryan, Cam Newton or Carson Wentz? Those are half the QBs in the conference.

So it is a very, very big season ahead for 24-year-old Jameis.

Ronde Barber was on WDAE-AM 620 recently and was asked about Jameis but was not asked a leading question. He simply was asked to say where he sees Jameis in his career right now. Here’s the verbatim response:

“Well, Jameis was hurt. And I expected big things from Jameis last year. If you listened to anything that I said during preseason, I was expecting that next step from Jameis. Right?” Barber said. “Jameis Winston is without a doubt talented. There is no question that he has the arm strength. He has the intellect. He has the confidence and the courage to be a top-level quarterback in the NFL. What I need him to do, and what I think every Buc fans wants him to do, is take that next step where he’s not mistake-prone, where he can lead a team when it matters, he can put you on his shoulders and win a football game.

“And for all intents and purposes, from what I understand, he’s doing that. He’s in the gym getting better. He’s a great person for this football team to have. And the distractions around them are what they are, but as a football player, I’d build my team around Jameis Winston. I don’t think anybody in the building, or anybody around this team should doubt that.

“Jameis has the talent, the moxie, the whatever it is, the attitude, the leadership qualities to lead this team to where it needs to go. He just needs to do it. I think he has the right people around. I love his quarterback coach. [Mike] Bajakian is a great quarterback coach. Dirk Koetter puts a lot of faith in Jameis. And in his fourth year, I mean, it’s time. It’s time.”

Joe applauds Barber’s well-stated assessment. Everything is there for Jameis to jump out of the average ranks and take a big step toward great in 2018.

It is time. It’s time.

67 Responses to ““In His Fourth Year, I Mean, It’s Time. It’s Time.””

  1. AKick'nTheBucNuts Says:

    It is time to stop the talk and walk the walk.

    We hear this talk every off-season. Everyone is working hard. This will be a break-out season. This guy’s gonna have 100 sacks, Blah, Blah, Blah.

    Then the season starts and the team lays down, can’t get it together, injuries, penalties, miscommunication, blown coaching calls, blah, blah, blah,
    end result…another losing season with no playoff.

    Just once, I ‘d like to see the entire team shut-up and win.
    Let your winning performance on the field do your talking.

  2. AlteredEgo Says:

    Yep….4th year is top of the STAT sheet….

  3. Lamarcus Says:

    It’s time to wake and realize that JW will NEVER get to where “he should be” until we get a respectable defense and run game. When those other teams got their Qb they Didn’t shoulder the load on them and they had a decent developmenr Only in Tampa when we finally get our guy he MUST shoulder the load cuz everyone including coaches can’t be relied on.

  4. Lord Cornelius Says:

    If he just plays the way he did when healthy to finish 2017 we’re fine. In those 5 games:

    67% completion / / 8.7 YPA / 316 yards per game / 2:1 TD:INT ratio

    In general his #’s were up in 2017 even with the injury and sh1t run game / sh1t play calling in the red zone.

    More quick passes / better run game / should translate to a 3:1 TD:Int ratio.

    4500 yards / 35 TDs / 15 picks = the kind of season I envision if 100% healthy and our run game is at least average’ish.

    Fumbles are a little fluky … he didn’t have a history of that really before recently; and he’s been getting hit a lot. Better pass pro / more quick passes = less fumbles. But a lot is still on him.

  5. DB55 Says:

    So for the rest of the team it takes time and patience but for the 22 yo QB that has broken virtually every team record and some nfl records with no protection or running game mind you, it’s time (now) it’s time. Got it!

    Surprising that the Bucs haven’t won more SBs this whole town fans and media both really have a grip on building champions. 🙄

  6. Greg Says:

    If Baker Mayfield slips to the bucks maybe we should consider it. Jamison is what he always was. High risk high reward does not work in the NFL. Not to mention the potential of field issues. Worst case scenario is we have excellent depth at quarterback and can trade away one of them next year. Best case scenario is Jamison shines this year and gets a new contract and we trade away Baker Mayfield into years.

  7. D-Rome Says:

    If he doesn’t take that next step, or he ends up suspended from this Uber investigation, then it’ll be time to draft another QB in 2019.

  8. BetterBuccinBelieveIt Says:

    An improved O Line, and Saquon Barkley running behind him taking a ton of pressure of the passing game will allow Jameis to settle in.

    For those who pine for any members of Punksville (a/k/a LSU)….here’s your boy Guice, up to more of his same ol’ tricks off the field. See below.

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/04/06/nfl-is-expected-to-find-no-improprieties-in-derrius-guice-case/

    Go Bucs! Go Bold! Go Barkley! Go Primetime!

  9. Horse Liver Says:

    Greg, did you run out of Thorazine? Baker Mayfield?

    Bwaaaahaaaaahahahahahahaaaaaaa. Great idea. Manziel is available too. Dumbest fans in the NFL.

  10. Pickgrin Says:

    Draft Nelson or another top OG in this draft along with one of the top 5 RBs – and watch how good Winston looks/plays/performs in 2018.

  11. Lamarcus Says:

    Db55

    Agree. Ppl act like his team sooo good and the Qb is holding them back. It’s the other way around.

    And if blake Bortles can get u to a championship game we are doing things wrong.

  12. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Greg, you could at least get his name right.

    And Baker Mayfield? Really?

    I’m not opposed to drafting another QB because I think developing one can have the potential for trade value, but Mayfield just if not that guy.

  13. Tnew Says:

    The Bucs will try another head coach before starting over with another QB in 2019.

  14. Lamarcus Says:

    Tnew

    U must tore a page from the Cleveland Browns “How to be successful in NFL” book.

  15. 813bucboi Says:

    Lamarcus Says:
    April 6th, 2018 at 12:26 pm
    It’s time to wake and realize that JW will NEVER get to where “he should be” until we get a respectable defense and run game.

    ^^BINGO^^

    DB55 Says:
    April 6th, 2018 at 12:32 pm
    So for the rest of the team it takes time and patience but for the 22 yo QB that has broken virtually every team record and some nfl records with no protection or running game mind you, it’s time (now) it’s time. Got it!

    ^^BINGO^^

    I agree with both those statements!!!!!!…..when Winston won the Heisman and natty he had a great defense and a great rushing attack……we need to duplicate the same thing!!!!!….stout defense with a great run game……

    Winston is at his best when he throws around 20-26 times per game…..I don’t want to see him throwing 35,37,40times in a game…..

    #NOEXCUSESIN2018!!!!!!……GO BUCS!!!!!

  16. Lamarcus Says:

    813

    He has no choice to throw 35-50 times a game when he is always trailing. No is no time for developing.

    And must take note that he was a guy who defined winning before he got here. Lost 1 game his entire life Somehow we turned him into a loser and it’s all his fault. He should of never wanted to here.

  17. Walter Seidel Says:

    “And the distractions around them are what they are”,,,Barber’s words. And remember, it’s quite likely Jameis will miss about one third of the season. Time to seriously consider moving on…..DeSean Jackson is.

  18. [email protected] Roof Cleaning Tampa Says:

    Jameis is trying too hard, to do too much, and the result is, he is 2nd in the NFL in Interceptions.
    Our offense desperately needs balance, a serious running game, to keep defenses guessing.
    With a running back who is a threat to take it to the house every time he touches the ball, we will be instantly improved. If Barkley is there at number 7, or Nelson, our running game is instantly improved.
    Tom Brady is a QB that can beat you, even when everyone knows he is going to throw. Jameis is not Tom Brady.

  19. SteveK Says:

    Agree 100% with Ronde!

    Time to shine for Jameis!

    Now or never he and Koetter and Licht!

    No excuses for anyone in the organization in 2018.

  20. BucfanBF Says:

    Jameis will be fine fair weather fans!! This will be a BIG year for our QB. I agree with what Lord Corneilus, Lamarcus and DB55 said ^^^^
    Hopefully Licht gets that legit home run threat RB we sorely need and concentrate on our defense the rest of the way and we should be go. In Jameis I Trust……

  21. RustyRhinos Says:

    If he has the same issues he has had since he was annotated the savior the guy who makes his Oline better just being in the field the guy who has a difficult time hitting his receivers in stride, or deep we should turn the page. Can’t keep trying to fix what has not been fixed in he previous 3 seasons. Is he the best QB we have had yes he is but if he continues to throw INTs and puts not only himself but the defense in bad spots we can not and should not want to resign him.

  22. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Rusty, that is spoken like someone who discounts his shoulder injury and his previous years.

  23. Kobe Faker Says:

    Whats the ultimate #1 skillset a NFL QB needs and wants?

    Jameis even after 3 years doesnt have a reciever that has it

    Brandon Cook was let go by Brady and Bellichick because this skillset was not worthy of 16 mill

    Jameis had this skillset in rashad greene a 4.7 forty speed reciever…it is…

    Route running

    Molasse Evans and Djax is the worst route runners in the NFL…Brandon cook is Steve Largent compared to our 2 freelance dancers

    All the top QBS have them except our Jaboo

    **If Klueless release Godwin as our gunner in special teams and our extra blocker light skin luke stocker, OJ Howard , …these 2 have the potential with their routerunning, separation and YAC skillset…

    WHICH OUR 2 STSRTING WRS AND TIGHTEND DONT HAVE!!!

  24. SteveK Says:

    Bonzai,

    Winning football games is paramount

    Silly decisions that lead to INTs, fumbles, and turnovers need to improve bc it’s homding us back.

    I expect a huge leap forward from Jameis this year!

    The #1 overall pick should come with expectations.

  25. ben Says:

    A qb’s most important job is to accurate passing…Winston is NOT !(with all the weapons) Stop making excuses for him……. Lets hope he is able improves on average .

  26. Waterboy Says:

    Alex Smith

  27. SteveK Says:

    C’mon Kobe Faker,

    Don’t make excuses for the #1 overall pick. He needs to make our team better.

    Evans is a stud and DJax has a history of being s game breaker. Throw in oj Howard and Cam Brate and Godwin

    The QB has the weapons, now he needs to step
    Up and play like a #1 overall pick.

  28. Joseph Mamma Says:

    Yeah he’ll just stop being mistake prone in his fourth year. That’s very common in the NFL, especially with all the same coaches coaching him.

  29. Scotty in Fat Antonio Says:

    Great to hear Jameis is in the gym….AGAIN. I think there were similar articles and videos of him working out last year as well. Where the problem is is between his ears. I hope he is working on that as well.

  30. Bird Says:

    Kobe faker

    Are you serious? Or just faking like your name. The bucs have Evans , djax, brate , Howard and Godwin.

    Only the steelers have maybe better receiving but bucs right there. Any qb would kill to have all these targets. Sure running game helped with barber in at end.

    But again. It’s same people. Making same excuses.

  31. Bird Says:

    Dang. Which one of the Joe’s wrote this article. This article would not have been written even a year ago kinda questioning the messiah

    Anyway. Kudos. 4 th year hopefully is playoff push. Need a running back in draft to take pressure off Jameis.

    Need defense to ball out. At least sniff a qbs jock

  32. BringBucsBack Says:

    So, what will be the excuse for J-miss’ ass-passes, Jr High fumbles, continued inaccuracies and poor decision-making once we have a top flight O-line and a top-flight running back to go with the top-flight skill players we already have on offense now?

    So, we’re waiting for the PERFECT environment; is that what you FSU honks are saying?

    That’s like saying, “yeah, once my wife and I have attained our career dreams, enough money in the bank, half of our mortgage paid off and half of our retirement earned, then we will settle down and plan for our kids.” The perfect time is never going to come!

    This offense is good enough; he needs to deal better with adversity!!! He is not the 1st QB ever to line-up behind an inferior O-line, on a less-than-perfect team. He most certainly will be better with a good run game and better defense however, the decision making, with the ball, is all on him! That goes for the stupid off the field stuff too!

    Yeah I know, I know, he’s got a lot of passing yards!

    And by the way, I heard one X-spurt, just yesterday, saying that he would take Baker Mayfield over all of these other rookie quarterbacks based on the two most important QB talents: 1) smarts and 2) accuracy. Is J-miss smart? He doesn’t seem to be accurate, either.

    Would I rather have Baker? I don’t know, and after 3 NFL seasons with J-miss, I should and that’s kind of my point. J-miss should be better!

    Who out there would give J-miss a $140mil contract, right now based on his first three years?

  33. cgmaster Says:

    Fair weather buc fans are ridiculous. Name me one QB that can succeed with the 31st ranked rush attack? I’ll wait for one of you jokers to answer. Then after name me a QB that succeeds with the 32 ranked defense in the NFL. OH and we had 20 dropped passes last year, good for 29th in the NFL. And did all of this last year after being injured in the second game of the season. As posters said above, everyone says it takes time, but nope, not Jameis. He’s been beat down by a crap offensive line the last two years, he leads the league in QB hits by the way, and you all want to draft Baker Mayfield?! The density of some of you is astonishing. No one is saying Jameis is perfect, the TO’s need to improve, especially the fumbles. But some of you all wanting him gone are just clueless.

  34. Grt1 Says:

    Evans has no YAC period , DJax quits on routes if they ain’t perfect and we have no running game. Godwin has YAC look at his game vs the panthers and the NO game. Godwin only problem last year was inexperience and conditioning. I know he will improve. Jameis has his flaws but so does everyone else.

  35. cgmaster Says:

    @ Bring back I just snapped this pic of this chat so I can literary laugh at you all season with your Baker Mayfield talk. Just stop dude,. Just because you heard some guy on some talk show talk about Baker mayfield, that’s your idea of researching a guy? Congrats, and thank god you’re not our GM

  36. Lord Cornelius Says:

    “Who out there would give J-miss a $140mil contract, right now based on his first three years?”

    I duno about $140 mill but plenty of teams would sign him to a mega deal right now if he was a FA. He’s better than any QB prospect in this draft; and his first 2 seasons compare almost exactly to Andrew Luck’s. His 3rd season was plagued by injury – but in week 1 and the last 5 weeks of the year his stats project pretty damn well (the only weeks he was actually healthy).

    Either way he’s improved every year.
    Either way he ranks towards the top 1/3 of Qbs in most meaningful statistics.

    The defense/kicker cost Winston 4 game winning drives last year. We’d have been 9-7 if we just held leads late in the 4th basically; and that was with no defense / no run game.

    No one here is saying he’s some all pro QB right now…. That’s not the debate.

    We just understand he’s the best QB the franchise has ever had recently and it isn’t close….

    Is Jameis smart? By all accounts his football IQ is as high as it gets. Go look up all the scouting reports on him and his film sessions.

    ACcuracy? How is 67% in the NFL the last 5 weeks when healthy last year? Is that terrible to you?

    Just buckle up and take the ride man. If he stays healthy next year I guarantee it’ll be a fun one

  37. feelthepewterpower Says:

    Joe, a lot of the blame gets cast on Jamies for the mistakes. Yes, sometimes they are warrented. IE – he tries to scramble and loses control of the ball OR Winston tries to force a ball into double covereage.

    HOWEVER, what fans and most media overlook is the play calling to set him up to fail. If a defense knows you’re going to pass, the defense is far liklier to force a turnover. The Buccs run the ball entirely too much on 1st and second down AND pass too much in the red zone (rushing the ball is actually more effective in the RZ and the stats bear that out).

    Koetter poo-pooed predictabilty and Winston echoed, but it’s a false narrative! Wouldnt you execute a better clip if you kept opposing defenses off balance while attacking their weakness??????

  38. Mike Johnson Says:

    I’ve said all along, Give me an average or just slightly above average Offense and Give me an Outstanding Defense And I will beat you every single GD time!! Brad Johnson was no peyton Manning or Tom Brady. But Sapp/Lynch and Brooks sure as hell were!!!! Now on the bright side, jameis is indeed a slightly above to average QB. Where the hell is the Kick a.. Defense?

  39. Bird Says:

    In regards to Mike Evans “doesn’t have it “comment:

    4 years in league and only one of three players in nfl history to start career with 4 straight 1,000 yard plus seasons.

    32 touchdowns in those 4 years.

    Yah….he is terrible.

  40. AlteredEgo Says:

    With all due respect to Evans and Jameis….passing/receiving stats when compared to historical NFL is disingenuous….the game and rules have been greatly tilted toward passing and receiving ……so stop with the all time crap !

  41. NFLNut Says:

    **************
    JOE, your false narrative about Jameis being “average” is getting old … the ONLY QBs in the NFC that any GM with a brain would take going forward ahead of Jameis is Aaron Rodgers, and maybe Stafford and Wentz; that’s it.
    When Jameis was healthy last year he was the best statistical QB in the entire NFL … while playing with NO RUNNING GAME support!
    Come on Joe, you’re better that this, right?

    This is funny. Rushing for 116 yards per game put you in the TOP 10 of NFL rushing teams last year and 110 yards per game put your team at the NFL average. In the 11 games Jameis started and finished, the Bucs ran for 110 or more yards FIVE times. Please don’t tell Joe that Jameis had zero running game support. It’s just a lie. The Bucs were 3-2 in those games. –Joe

  42. BucTrooper Says:

    I have posted this before:

    I heard an interview with Drew Brees a while back where he was asked about his early struggles with the Chargers then things started to click and he was traded to the Saints. He said that the game started to slow down to him after 50 games under center.

    I know Jameis missed a few games with injury last season, but if he played every game, he would have completed 48 games heading into Week 1 of 2018.

    So yes… this is it.

  43. Bird Says:

    Nflnut

    The Joe’s are the biggest Jameis Winston fans out there so that says a lot…

  44. AlteredEgo Says:

    Joes were the biggest Johnny Manziel fans too

  45. Kobe Faker Says:

    How dare some newbies here disagree with me and my analytics!

    Jamis development is hampered by our head coach and his ancient time consuming deep passing game and his predictible playcalling

    Kobe was the first one in all tampa area condemning the ill advised plan to switch marpet to center…for the first 4 games, jameis was fielding grounders from flustered baby arnie

    Kobe has stated BEFORE it occurred that the failure of the 2017 season was because forest gump couldnt admit his mistake of sweezey and forced him to the starting rotation and moved marpet…

    Hell the running game was better without sweezey and marpet out of the lineup!

    “Kobe, im getting all the philly players so HC Jim Schwartz can move right in”

    Forest licht Beer

  46. StPeteBucsFan Says:

    Lot’s of great comments on this thread and a few clunkers.

    Bottom line is I agree with many but Ronde pretty well covered it for #3.

    Baker Mayfield? Really? I watched one of his greatest victories…the big win at OSU…my son lives in Columbus. Mayfield can also be wreckless, and cocky as hell…another version of Jameis but without the corresponding talent.

    If I’m going to have a gunslinger at QB I want him to be able to offset the bad or failed gambles…#3 can do that…Baker Mayfield? Really?

  47. SteveK Says:

    Carson Wentz
    Drew Bree’s
    Aaron Rodgers
    Jimmy G
    Russel Wilson
    Matt Stafford
    Matt Ryan
    Cam Newton
    Kirk Cousins

    ^ all QBs thst are either better, more proven, or better career results than one Jameis Winston.

    Jameis has talent, and I expect the #1 overall pick to put it together this year.

  48. SteveK Says:

    St Pete,

    Not saying I’d draft a QB for my Bucs, but I like Mayfield the most in this draft class. He’s accurate and confident.

    I like Josh Allen second best and then Lamar Jackson.

  49. El_Buc941 Says:

    I’ma cut straight to it Joe.hoew do you expect a 24yr old QB to make the playoffs with no defense(about last in every category,rushing, interceptions,run defense etc.) And no running game?GOOD LUCK FINDING ONE WHO HAS!!!LMAO.

  50. AlteredEgo Says:

    El Buc….Everyone sees and understands the good things Jameis does….there are several serious reoccurring flaws in his game that have folks reserving final judgement….accuracy…decision making (know when to throw it away) the leastwise of several to correct…timing…throwing to the spot trusting the WR will be there…hitting WR’s in stride (see accuracy)….I really hope he can show a big step forward

  51. BuccaneEric75 Says:

    Before we all start turning on Winston, let’s look at the circumstances. He had possibly the worst Defense in the league. He had possibly the worst RBs in the league. He had an Offensive line that didn’t play as well as the year before. He got injured early in the year, played through it, then had to miss games. With ALL of that going against him he still put up the best numbers of his career. It’s tough being a QB that has no running game to lean on, which means teams know you have to throw. It’s tough always being behind in games, meaning teams know even more that you have to throw. And it’s tough when your offensive line is relying on a player who changed positions and another who was out for a season injured, and then you suffer more injuries on the line. With all of that going against him he still played well above average in the last 5 games after coming back from the shoulder injury. He’s good enough now to get us to the playoffs, unfortunately this staff has only built the passing game, but for that to work you have to be able to run and play D also. Winston is fine, it’s the RBs and D that have to start showing up so a 24 year old QB doesn’t have to always have the game on his shoulders and carry grown ass men.

  52. EEK Says:

    JW may be just good enough to keep the team from reaching for a better qb.

    9 straight losses with some big numbers and then an amazing win against a team already booked in the playoffs.

    This league is so rough and a qb just has so little margin for error.

    If JW can reel in his ego a little more and more consistently he may be a champion. Unfortunately after 3 years that is almost like saying “if JW were a different actual person, he could win more games.”

    Here’s hoping that’s possible.

  53. Gman Says:

    Big deal that he has broken team QB records…when you have no running game and are down by 14 points right away, you will put up gaudy meaningless stats

  54. JimmyJack Says:

    Looks guys. The fact is Winston needs to get better. This team is going nowhere when he puts up an average of 5 points every first half. I do like a lot of his intangibles but the down right dirty truth is that he downright sucks at some aspects of the game.

    Personally, I’m all in on Winston. His skill set is extremely rare to find and I wouldn’t give up on that easy. But the way I feel is not how the league works. You have to produce or you have to git. Like it or not that’s just the way it is

  55. StPeteBucsFan Says:

    SteveK

    I do not necessarily disagree with you. Mayfield may be the best of the group but honestly I can’t get that fired up by this group.

    Then again the teams are very excited so what do I know. I’m just not sure they’re not drafting strictly for need.

  56. unbelievable Says:

    Do you applaud his take on bajakian being an amazing QB coach?

    I love Ronde and have tremendous respect for his opinion. He might be my all time favorite Buc, but I don’t know what would make someone so confident in Bajakian. Just not seeing it.

  57. Jason Mclaurin Says:

    Man I don’t understand why any news or media site of the Buccaneers would write this up or why fans are not convinced yet. JW3 hasn’t had everything around him clicking yet like the defense or the running game. The lack of the running game has been so unfortunate for Winston. It’s the reason the play calling has been more pass oriented as well. I think they have everything just about together as far as interior of the line with Center and Guards but Licht and Koetter need to seriously re look that situation at tackle. I like the Hernandez and Brown kid though. Im sending something big from Licht getting calls from Bellichick though. It seems the Pats may wanna move down with both of those picks they have in the first round and collect picks for later rounds as well instead of them moving up for a QB. The Pats see players that will be available in later rounds with the QB and RB desperate teams that will make their move early. I think there also is something in the works dealing with Djax maybe being moved for a second round pick. After the Pats traded Cooks for a first round pick they called Licht in Tampa. I can see a deal where we get a second round pick for Djax because of what was given up for Cooks. Trust me Djax is gone draft night and he’s going to the Raiders too I think. The Raiders honestly don’t need the draft now that they have Gruden leading their young core too. Djax would be a perfect fit for the Raiders as well. All in all though we trade two seconds and the two sixth round picks as well to the pats and we also trade our seventh pick to Buffalo for their two first round picks as well. Imagine it #12 & #21 and also #23 & #31 that’s four first round picks. We could get Brown and Hernandez late and Fitzpatrick and James with 12 & 21 which is the actual range they will be drafted anyway instead of top ten like everyone thinks. We get Fitzpatrick and move him to cornerback. Move D. Smith to RG and place Hernandez at tackle along with Brown on the RT. We still get Kerryon Johnson in the third by using that fourth and fifth round pick to get back there and draft Himes in the seventh round. It will honestly shake out in this form or somewhat similar fashion. Every team in the league knows the Bucs are trading that pick at this point it’s just who gives Licht the best offer.

    Rd 1 #12(from Buffalo): CB/FS Minkah Fitzpatrick
    Rd 1 # 21 (from Buffalo):SS Derwin James
    Rd 1 # 23 ( from New England):T Will Hernandez
    Rd 1 # 31 ( from New England): T Orlando Brown or Mcglinchey
    Rd 4 #2 ( from New York Giants) :RB Kerryon Johnson
    Rd 7 # 7 : RB Nyheim Hines
    Draft strategies that’s the talk right now and we deserve this kind of haul let’s get it done Licht trade Djax to the Patriots or Raiders and we get this kind of haul in the draft.

  58. BringBucsBack Says:

    Some of you guys are incapable of objectivity, especially when it comes to J-miss. Please take off your Garnet and Gold glasses and read my previous post objectively, if possible. Take it at face value .

    CJmaster, you said that J-miss’ turnovers must improve. That was my primary point; so we agree.
    No, listening to one guys’ opinion is not research. I just shared that because someone earlier mentioned Baker Mayfield and of course he was crucified for it. I just simply wanted to show that at least one X-spurt found Baker to be better than many believe. I’m not quite sure what you’re going to laugh at later in the season but I will be more than willing to be jeered if J-miss has VASTLY improved on his ridiculous turnover rate, especially if it makes you feel better.

    Lord c, many on this site do believe that James is all universe hence, the J-miss nut hugging & the monicker: Americas quarterback. I don’t question J-miss’ intellectual capacity however, smart quarterbacks don’t turn the ball over as often or as carelessly as he does.

    To be clear:
    1. I don’t hate J-miss, just the immaturity on and off of the field.
    2. My main points were:
    A. Eliminate mistakes
    B. Play through adversity better
    C. Stop excusing sophomoric mistakes because his team isn’t PERFECT & he’s a
    former Nole
    3. I don’t blame him for all of the losing, I merely sited things HE controls.
    4. NO ONE knows the future. There have been a few QB’s drafted since J-miss that are performing better. To dismiss a very successful college-turning-pro QB because he hasn’t played in the bigs, is pure guess-work.

    Now, did I state something that was inaccurate?

    I hardly eluded to his possible suspension.

    I don’t KNOW and neither do any of you.

  59. BringBucsBack Says:

    ..And one more thing. When you wear a dark suit, wear dark socks AND dark shoes.

  60. SB Says:

    No better response is possible. Kudos Ronde!

  61. SB Says:

    Rams just released CB Kayvon Webster! Thoughts Joe?
    He made 11 starts last yr.

  62. BrianBucs Says:

    Same old crap we heard last year -“Jameis is going to take a huge step” Jameis is average and that’s what he will always be. No way is he a championship franchise QB. It doesn’t matter who the RB is or how good the defense plays, Jameis will never be more than he is right now, which is nothing more than just average.

  63. StPeteBucsFan Says:

    Brian

    So you’re suggesting that even though Jameis’ stats are record setting…literally…more yards than any other NFL QB their first two years…that he was at most an average QB setting all these records?

    How did that happen? Was it his overpowering line? Perhaps his star RB who couldn’t even average 3 yards a carry?

    I just do not understand the total lack of respect for our QB. Some here are simply never going to like him even if he does bring us a Super Bowl. He wins the final game of the season against the best team in our division…a team btw stlll playing for playoff position….#3 leads a dramatic 4th Q comeback and I couldn’t believe how many LOSERS were upset because that win cost a couple of spots in the draft.

    I get it….with some there is literally nothing the kid can do but when we’re now trashing great come from behind wins…the 4th straight game Jameis played well after healing from his injury because of two freaking draft spots which may not even have an effect on our choice. We do not want a QB so it’s quite possible that HUGE drop from 5th to 7th will REALLY hurt us.

  64. Duke Says:

    Brian,

    If you are looking at JW’s overall game and conclude He’s average youre not the only person or source that comes to the conclusion. But here’s the thing about average. It’s just that, an average based on his highs and lows. To state JW is not going to improve is possible but not likely.

    The QB position is the hardest position to play in all team sports. Experience is a big component. Tom Brady is still playing because of the year’s of experience He has accumulated has made the game simpler for Him. That and He’s healthy. Point is JW is going to improve as He plays. How can we say it, JW isn’t lacking any of the physical tools or skills required to be a top QB. So He isn’t limited in upside from a skills stand point.

    The problem with JW is or can narrowed down to two areas, consistency and ball security. Experience is a tonic for inconsistent play and ball security is not an incurable or uncoachable condition. Both can improve. Now back to the average comments, if JW were to minimize the low points in his play He is not going to be
    considered avg by any metric . His highs are already among the best in league.
    If the lows are eliminated He will be the franchise Guy you and every byc fan has
    been praying for.

    We have the guy, and we’ve seen that the guy ain’t so easy to find.

  65. NFLNut Says:

    ******************

    JOE,

    When I comment, I know what I’m talking about and am not just spit-balling … I was right and YOU ARE 100% WRONG.

    I love you and I love this site, but again, I don’t just spit-ball … my statements are backed up with facts, as you know from our previous mild disagreements, all of which I was right on as well and which I proved my points with statistical data.

    The Bucs ranked 27th in the league in rushing yards last year … 27th!

    There were also just four teams in the entire league that had a worse yards per carry average than the Bucs last year … four!

    There were also just five teams that had less rushing TD’s than the Bucs last year … five!

    There were also just 6 teams that rushed for less 1st downs than the Bucs last year … six!

    There was also just one team that had less 20+ yard runs in the entire NFL than the Bucs did last season … one!

    The AVERAGE (16th) rushing yards per game across the entire league last year was 111.75 and the average yards per carry was 4.1

    Also, “YOUR stats” re Jameis’ starting games were extremely misleading. The FACT is that Jameis started 13 games, not 11, and in those 13 games, the Bucs team rushed 311 times for a paltry 1,213 yards … that is just 93.3 yards per game which is HORRIBLE … it’s also an average of just 3.9 yards per carry which is also HORRIBLE!

    Combine the above with the FACT that Jameis himself ran for 135 yards and 4.1 yards per carry in those games, and the real truth is that the SUPPORT he received was nothing more than a DISGUSTING 82.9 rushing yards per game!

    As always … I stand by my statements 100% and I was 100% right. Your narrative that Jameis is an “average” QB is FALSE and your belief that Jameis has even “average” running support is absolute NONSENSE.

    ******************

  66. tnew Says:

    Nut, Joe gave you the strongest point to your argument himself. When the Bucs rushed at or above the league average, they had a winning record.

    Oh. sorry to be late Lamarcus, but the Browns issue is they haven’t found the QB. Franchise QB’s are way, way, way harder to find than good head coaches. There is no way, barring an off field issue more serious than the Uber incident occurs, the Bucs walk from Winston before they walk from Koetter.

  67. Shane Says:

    Look how bad the TEAM is. The TEAM isn’t a playoff TEAM. This team has depth issues and needs help everywhere except WR and LB. I think he’s done well with what he’s been given. Improve the team and you’ll see results.

 

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