Preparing To Pounce On Vinny Curry
March 8th, 2018
Many Bucs fans were troubled after watching defensive ends Will Clarke and Ryan Russell combine for seven starts and a ton of ineffective pass rushing last year.
And that angst multiplied rapidly during the past week, when the Bucs failed in their quest to trade for defensive end beast Robert Quinn, and they passed on Pro Bowler Michael Bennett.
So now what?
The Bucs still need bodies at defensive end. They have Noah Spence and Robert Ayers, but those are broken bodies. Ayers can still play but age has run him down. Will Gholston had an off year with a new injury in 2017.
Bennett went via trade to the Eagles, and word now out of Philadelphia says DE Vinny Curry will be cut, unless the Eagles can find a sucker for his too-big salary by next week. Curry can definitely play; he’s just not worth the $10 million or so he was going to earn under his current contract.
A second-round pick in 2012, Curry hasn’t missed a game since 2013. This nugget from NBCPhiladelphia.com yesterday sort of sums him up well.
“Curry wasn’t terrible. He got decent pressure on the quarterback, and he was better against the run than he had been in previous years. But the big plays didn’t come. Curry has forced one fumble over the last three seasons, and 101 players league-wide have more sacks than he does since opening day of 2015.
“This was Curry’s first year as a starter, and he played the third-most snaps of any Eagles defensive lineman – 576, only 31 fewer than Fletcher Cox.”
Solid and durable football player, Curry is, but he hasn’t been special through the past three seasons. However, that’s the kind of guy new Bucs defensive line coach Brentson Buckner is supposed to specialize in.
Dirk Koetter said Buckner’s reputation is of a coach who revives careers — maximizes players’ talents better than most.
Therefore, Joe believes general manager Jason Licht should be waiting with a bag full of Team Glazer loot to sign Curry to a modest contract as soon as the free agency dinner bell rings on Wednesday. He’s been a popular player in Philly, he has a ring, and he’s younger than Ayers. He can only help.
March 8th, 2018 at 2:21 pm
Bucs have so many holes on defense they may need to sign free agents like Vinny Curry of Philly and Dee Ford of KC to not force them to take a DE in the first or second round if the value is not there.
March 8th, 2018 at 2:22 pm
And Now It Begans – Go Ur Thang Mr. Licht!
March 8th, 2018 at 2:22 pm
No more banking on the potential of guys, that defines 3/4 of our defensive staff. We just can’t develop/coach out the best of a guy.
Go get proven talent, otherwise, spend that money elsewhere.
March 8th, 2018 at 2:24 pm
I hope he is not our big splash in free agent signing and is just a rotational player to add depth
March 8th, 2018 at 2:26 pm
Let see if checks all the boxes:
>>Didn’t have to surrender a draft pick.
>>Didn’t have ask to restructure his deal – because he was released.
A 29 year old – extremely versatile vet.
Yup
Time to handle business pimpin’
March 8th, 2018 at 2:26 pm
why wait until Wednesday as he is going to get cut and will be available after clearing waivers likely before Wednesday. Doubt he wants to come from a super bowl champ to #ClevelandSouth.
March 8th, 2018 at 2:28 pm
What Wausa said! We may be forced to look at these “2nd tier” players. Maybe a guy like Curry can luck into a sack from time to time unlike our one-dimensional LE Gholston.
I’ve seen shoelaces trip more people up!
March 8th, 2018 at 2:31 pm
LUV- You NEED these guys. They’re not all going to be big sack # guys. AND, we have ZERO depth, ZERO!
It’s a “meh” signing, but I wouldn’t have an issue with it.
March 8th, 2018 at 2:32 pm
Averaged only 3 sacks per year the last 3; but had 9 in 2014; so maybe there is hope.
Either way he’s an upgrade over random dudes off the street we played last year; and can do well against the run (which we did poorly with last year in addition to rushing the passer)
March 8th, 2018 at 2:35 pm
I have found myself praying a lot more than I used too…
March 8th, 2018 at 2:36 pm
Correction Joe,Tampa DID NOT pass on bennet.they where just out sealed by the eagles.
March 8th, 2018 at 2:38 pm
Who will want to play for the 2019 booked reservation bottom dwelling Bucs? Looks like this year will be a place card until we start all over again in 2019/20. Nice job Glazer boys.
March 8th, 2018 at 2:39 pm
Curry will shine when surrounded by the other talented Buccaneer defensive players….that said I saw a mock draft on Yahoo…Denziel Ward in the 1st round and Arden Key in the 2nd….I kind of liked that notion
March 8th, 2018 at 2:39 pm
Yea – this makes more sense to me. Sign 2 or 3 guys just like this to modest $6-8M contracts and let Buckner work with them. At least 1 will break out from the pack and become a solid pass rusher for us… hopefully.
Seems more prudent than trading valuable draft picks and paying almost double to one player like Quinn. If Quinn was all that – the Rams wouldn’t have let him go for just a 4th rd pick (and swap of 6ths).
March 8th, 2018 at 2:39 pm
His father Eric Curry ?
March 8th, 2018 at 2:41 pm
Man..that last game victory and sliding in the draft sure tastes sweet now, doesn’t it? Does it mean as much to you guys now as it did the last game of the season?
March 8th, 2018 at 2:41 pm
Curry had 8 tackles for a loss last year per ESPN’s stuff stat. For comparison:
McCoy – 9
Gholston – 4
Ayers – 3
McDonald – 1
Baker – 1
Will Clarke – 0
Noah Spence had 1 in his very limited playing time. F*ck man losing him was huge. If I could have picked one offensive player and one defensive player that I wanted guarantee health for – in terms of their impact and importance to our team – it’d have been Winston & Spence. Such sh1t luck. Without Spence we had no pass rush. With him we actually kind of had one.
Either way I like the idea of adding Curry for depth/rotation especially run downs.
March 8th, 2018 at 2:44 pm
The only chance the Bucs have this year of escaping from the basement is the Bucs have a great draft hitting on four starters in their top four picks at least, hoping NO, ATL and Carolina have lousy drafts, that our opposition signs no one of real value in free agency, everyone stays healthy on the Bucs, and Jameis doesn’t get suspended. Sure…all those things will happen…right?
March 8th, 2018 at 2:50 pm
LC – not only that – but Spence’s 1 TFL in his only full game played last year was a sack/strip/fumble/Bucs recovery…
March 8th, 2018 at 2:51 pm
“wasn’t terrible”
That is a huge improvement.
March 8th, 2018 at 2:57 pm
So ira said no to Bennett who has 0 FF in 2 seasons but Joe thinks we should go after his guy who has 1FF in 3 seasons…. Lol…. Being cheap will always have us in last place…..
#NOEXCUSESIN2018!!!!….GO BUCS!!!!
March 8th, 2018 at 3:00 pm
@mark2001
You forgot our offensive guru head coach will have to discover how to call plays in the red zone.
March 8th, 2018 at 3:08 pm
Lets get the guy that was just replaced by bennett. Hmmm. Lets go ahead and get the DE that loses his job to quinn too. Welcome to Tampa. The land of the cheap leftovers.
Luvmybucs
Yeah great idea. You also know what that means? It means they must want to come here. Good luck with that. Thats another thing licht forgot about when he was trying to save a few draft slots and under bid for quinn and bennett. Lets not think this is lichts plan. He was in on both those guys, he got beat out by better GMs.
March 8th, 2018 at 3:09 pm
Poor desperate Bucs
March 8th, 2018 at 3:13 pm
The only thing the Bucs are pouncing on is Winnie the Pooh. It’s a tigger reference.
Lake,
I like how his best quality is that “Curry wasn’t terrible”. 😭. Well call us back when he’s completely terrible so we can overpay him on a 3 year deal.
March 8th, 2018 at 3:14 pm
Serviceable is an improvement. Bring him in
March 8th, 2018 at 3:19 pm
lol DB55
It’s hard to get players to come to Tampa Bay. Even the bums avoid Sucksville.
March 8th, 2018 at 3:31 pm
DB55
That had me rolling!!!!
March 8th, 2018 at 3:41 pm
Fine whatever, normally I would be against bringing a player of this caliber in but we need bodies.
March 8th, 2018 at 3:44 pm
Sorry, I’m against this one. Vinny Curry can’t be revived because he was never really anything to begin with. In fact, he is a one-year-wonder. In 2014 he had 9 sacks, and never came close again.
If we can’t get someone great, I would rather get no one in free agency and go all out for DL, CB and RB in the draft. Heck…truthfully, I’d rather address RB in free agency. There will be options to hold us over until next year.
If we address the DL and CB in the draft, then next year we can easily address RB and what few spots are left to address on the team…like Safety.
We can ride with what we have on safety for a year. If the DL plays better, the rest will.
March 8th, 2018 at 3:48 pm
I cannot believe how nearly everyone is already giving up on getting great players in free agency…and free agency has not even started yet.
Talk about a state of panic.
How about we wait and see what Licht does? It’s not like anyone here has a choice. Just ride the wave.
March 8th, 2018 at 3:59 pm
I’m not sure Tampa needs another DE named Curry wearing #75. Longtime/long in the tooth fans will know what I’m talking about.
March 8th, 2018 at 4:01 pm
The Dolphins continue to ponder what to do with Ndamukong Suh and have not ruled out releasing the defensive tackle, Barry Jackson of the Miami Herald reports.
Something like a $26m cap hit to the fins if they keep him. He might get half that as a free agent.
If he hits the street, unless Licht plans to take Vea with his first pick, he has to get Suh. Having him and GMC side by side would make a monster of an interior line.
March 8th, 2018 at 4:04 pm
Ndamukong Suh, that is the Priority and sounds like he could be available…
https://sports.yahoo.com/dolphins-considering-releasing-dt-ndamukong-031239287.html
Pay the man and put him beside 93
March 8th, 2018 at 4:04 pm
BB….”Having him and GMC side by side would make a monster of an interior line.”…been thinking the same thing
March 8th, 2018 at 4:04 pm
I love how the sheep love to spew the false narrative that free agents dont want to come to tampa. Since 2012 when the bucs started to spend again in free agency lets see they signed vincent jackson and carl nicks both the #1 player at their position on the market. 2013 they signed dashon goldson, the top safety and traded for revis. 2014 they signed evan smith who was well repected by aaron rodgers and the packers, clinton mcdonald fresh off the superbowl, michael johnson according to the rankings was the best free agent pass rusher, same distinction for collins and alterran verner who was a pro bowler prior to coming. 2016 they signed grimes, sweezy who wilson hated losing and last year the bucs sign the best free agent wide receiver in jackson. Players have no problem coming to tampa. The problem is as tmax says many on the list i provided regressed once here. The bucs have won the offseason superbowl many times since 2012 so this false narrative that no player wants to come here needs to cease.
March 8th, 2018 at 4:09 pm
the fact that 30 year old DEs who are not special but solid – that fact that they make sense for us really makes me real sad we wont be able to draft Chubb.
March 8th, 2018 at 4:09 pm
Webster this isn’t a rational Bucs board anymore it’s therapy for the depressed. Please take your good sense and logic along with your thoughtful comments turn them into negative posts like everyone else.
March 8th, 2018 at 4:12 pm
webster
dude you are proving our points. every free agent that has came here is second tier. I truly respect vjax’s work with veterans but he was a fragile and WON nothing with the bucs.
again i ask one simple questions if all these career loser holdovers you think are so great and all the great free agent signings we have had why are the bucs permanent residents in the nfc south basement.
the last POSITIVE move the bucs made was firing the ignorant one dimensional dungy who wasted whyce’s hall of famers.
March 8th, 2018 at 4:14 pm
webster and SC
so all these years in the basement did not happen. we are all wrong for being pissed off and wanting our team not to embarrass themselves week in and week out. ignoring reality does not make you a better fan.
March 8th, 2018 at 4:14 pm
@ scbucsfan
Im just appalled at what i read on this site from the posters. I just dont get it.
March 8th, 2018 at 4:19 pm
webster
you should be appalled by the on field product the glazers have fielded for over a decade that is really what should make you disgusted.
March 8th, 2018 at 4:22 pm
Hope we win 8 games
March 8th, 2018 at 4:28 pm
@ tmax
What are you talking about? Vjax was a multiple pro bowler prior to coming to tampa. He was only fragile the last two years of his time here. Made another pro bowl while here. Carl nicks? Was a two time pro bowler and a 2 time all pro. Dashan goldson was a 2 time pro bowler and all pro. Thats 2nd tier? If michael johnson was rated as the best pass rusher in the year of his free agency and he decided to come to tampa, how does that translate to players do not want to come here? Djax was a 3 time pro bowler and all pro and was the #1 wr free agent and he chose jameis and the bucs. How is that second tier. I am not making your point so please do not lump me in with you delusional fans.
March 8th, 2018 at 4:33 pm
TMax being a so called realist and making negative posts on every thread doesn’t make you a better fan. It just makes you depressing to be around. I genuinely – genuinely – feel sorry for you.
March 8th, 2018 at 4:35 pm
“every free agent that has came here is second tier”
“vjax…was fragile”
You are truly just a negative moron maxi-pad.
VJax had 3 straight 1000 yd seasons with the Bucs after being signed in free agency and didn’t miss a game. 2500+ yards and 15 TDs his 1st 2 seasons here.
SMH dude – you are just sad
March 8th, 2018 at 4:36 pm
webster
this team has not even played in a meaningful game in 11 years pal which predates vjax… vjax was average at best nothing more.
you are giving free passes when accountability is needed.
March 8th, 2018 at 4:36 pm
Pickgrin
and what did they win with vjax… absolutely NOTHING!!!!!! career loser just like cancer93
March 8th, 2018 at 4:37 pm
you guys celebrate mediocrity like it’s greatness and the bucs have not even been mediocre in 12 years.
March 8th, 2018 at 4:38 pm
@ tmax
Im looking at top 101 free agents just for 2014 on nfl.com. Verner was the #1 cb and rated higher than talib, grimes, vontae davis, sam shields to name a few. Thats not second tier.
March 8th, 2018 at 4:45 pm
so why the fluck are you still a Bucs “fan” maxi??
You obviously get some kind of sick satisfaction out of constantly dissing your “favorite” (allegedly)team.
Do us ALL a favor and go torture some other NFL team’s fans on another site with your relentless over the top negativity.
March 8th, 2018 at 4:45 pm
Not one of us said anything about winning and losing tmax. I just debunked the stupid notion that you and the other uneducated fans spew that no big time free agents want to come to tampa when every offseason they sign the suppsoedly best player at a position they target. So yes top free agents want to come here. Whether that equates to wins is irrelevant because as some say on this board you must build through the draft. Its not vjax fault he signed when domink was here who sucked at drafting players. But i forgot, you are the same one who says derrick brooks is nothing special.
March 8th, 2018 at 4:47 pm
webster
again how did the verner tenure go… he was ran out of town and regressed just like every other coach or player that comes to the glazer black hole.
Pick
I am not going anywhere.
March 8th, 2018 at 4:48 pm
What “Big Name ” free agent came to Sucksville?
March 8th, 2018 at 4:51 pm
Last place in the NFC South for 6 of the past 7 seasons. No one want to play for a BOTTOM FEEDER.
Unless it’s a well paid vacation
Sucksville, USA
March 8th, 2018 at 4:54 pm
@mark2001 … “The only chance the Bucs have this year of escaping from the basement is the Bucs have a great draft hitting on four starters in their top four picks at least.” We’ve actually done quite well getting 3-4 starters from the draft Mark. And actually, that’s a big part of the problem. Majority of rookies have a pretty steep learning curve, and we keep throwing 3-4 out there as starters every year. Like last year … Beckwith, Evans, OJ & for all practical purposes, Ryan Smith. Deeper teams (like the Patriots & Eagles) get to bring their rookies along slower.
March 8th, 2018 at 4:54 pm
Vincent Jackson $55,555,555
A 5 year well paid vacation
In Sucksville, USA
March 8th, 2018 at 4:57 pm
@ tmax
You totally missed my point. The nfl on their website had verner rated as the top free agent corner back in his free agency class and he chose the bucs. Dashan was the top safety in his class. No one said the bucs made a bad signing then because they were rated as the top. You are piggy backing off results but the fact remains the top players at their free agent position has come to the bucs every year since 2012.
March 8th, 2018 at 4:58 pm
I think Curry is being undervalued here. I wouldn’t be upset if the bucs trade a 7th and eat the cap hit lord knows we have the room.
March 8th, 2018 at 5:00 pm
webster
the only thing that matters is results and this players have failed. showing loyalty to career losers and failures like cancer93 makes no sense. this organization is soft and will never win under current leadership structure. I have earned the right to criticize and voice my displeasure. bucs have not had a star player since sapp walked out the door.
March 8th, 2018 at 5:01 pm
@ lakeland
That year you speak of the top 5 wr were jackson, 33 year old reggie wayne, marques colston who was not leaving the saints, brandon lloyd and broken down mario manningham. Which one of those should the bucs had signed before vincent jackson?
March 8th, 2018 at 5:05 pm
If I didn’t know any better maxi – I’d swear one of the Joe’s hired you for $5 an hour to just sit on your computer 1/2 the day every day spewing negative BS about McCoy and the team and trolling everyone here relentlessly in order to raise clicks and comments #s by actual fans who feel compelled against their better judgement to respond to the crap you are always regurgitating.
I know the Joes have more integrity than that – but can’t for the life of me figure out why they continue to allow you to take over threads every day spewing nonsense about McCoy and dissing every aspect of the franchise – regardless of the subject matter on any given article.
Once again – I call for a vote on banning this clown Joe. He basically ruins every comments thread that he gets active on.
March 8th, 2018 at 5:06 pm
@tmaxcon … “and what did they win with vjax… absolutely NOTHING!!!!!! career loser just like cancer93.” One player does not a team make. We’ve had our share of excellent players over the years (remember a DE named Lee Roy Selmon? Remember how his career with the Bucs started off?) Bucs’ problem over the years isn’t that they haven’t signed some excellent players; it’s more that they haven’t signed ENOUGH excellent players. Bottom line to me is that our ownership & management hasn’t shown any capability to build a real T-E-A-M. In over 40 years Bucs have really only had TWO owners, and neither (except for Malcolm when he was actively involved) has shown that they’re truly committed to building a winning franchise.
March 8th, 2018 at 5:06 pm
Ok i see tmax you wont admit you are wrong. You keep arguing the same old lame argument you spew every day. I simply was showing you and the other uneducated, the bucs sign the supposedly top free agents every year. You know like the wilkersons or trumaine johnsons of this year. The bucs may sign them and they too may fail when they get here but it does not mean no big name wants to sign in tampa. That narrative is false. You can continue to skirt around that fact
March 8th, 2018 at 5:08 pm
webster…maybe they don’t want to play…err…lose with Jameis
March 8th, 2018 at 5:09 pm
If we’re signing DE FA jus do it for depth. Draft Davenport with the 7th and Arden Key in the 2nd (hopefully he’s a decent de) then trade back into the lower half of the 2nd and Rashaad Penny. I’d call it a day after that
March 8th, 2018 at 5:12 pm
Demarco Murray getting released. I’d stick him in our backfield for a nice little upgrade!
March 8th, 2018 at 5:12 pm
AS for The backfield I’d sign Trumaine Johnson and Kenny Vaccaro.
March 8th, 2018 at 5:13 pm
Lol Murray is done
March 8th, 2018 at 5:21 pm
Sounds like all he does is play the run. Wasn’t tops in minutes and little production in the pass rush. Pass. He’s a bum and we deserve better. (Jk)
March 8th, 2018 at 5:24 pm
Pickgrin
calling for censorship becasue your sorry snowflake arse can’t handle reality…. go back to your bubble wrapped safe space
March 8th, 2018 at 5:25 pm
@ altered
I am not sure what the 2012, 2013, 2014 free agent signings have to do with jameis seeing that he was not even on the team. But as usual you show your hate and as always your stupidity as it relates to jameis and buc content in general. Have a good day troll
March 8th, 2018 at 5:28 pm
Shhhh. Shhhhh. Don’t wake Jason or Dirk up from their off season naps.
March 8th, 2018 at 5:29 pm
pickgrin
the way you delusional optimists make crap up it takes a brutally honest prick like myself to offset the BS people like you and bonzi, webster, sc and others spew… there is nothing positive about being a laughingstock year in and year out. raise your standards.
March 8th, 2018 at 5:37 pm
We all want to see the big name DE. I think the Bucs first thought is to bring in somebody to play next to McCoy. Hopefully they can do that and add a proven edge guy.
Vin Curry could be good as a rotational/depth guy especially with Spence good for 1.5 games per year. Is he any good defending the run? That may be a key factor their looking for with rebuilding the line behind our main(sadly only Spence and Ayers right now) pass rushers.
March 8th, 2018 at 5:53 pm
It is true that all the big free agent signings by the Bucs regressed once they got here. You can speculate as to why….
coaching, bad management, money made them unmotivated, lack of supporting cast…
Building through the draft works, free agent signings are usually a waste of money – there’s a reason their former teams don’t want to make the same investment. Of course there are exceptions, but the draft is a safer, but slower way to build a winner- Bucs have a solid offense (except running game) because of draft – 2-3 more years of solid picks will make Bucs playoff caliber.
Trading away picks or wasting money on free agents instead of signing current talent long term will guarantee same crap
March 8th, 2018 at 5:54 pm
@DB55 my god man you had me laughing for a min with the post about Curry. Its sad that the Bucs possible moves make for such good comedy
March 8th, 2018 at 6:02 pm
Just reported that Demarco Murray will be released soon! Should we pounce??
March 8th, 2018 at 6:21 pm
Webster and Pick
Lake has a point, if the Bucs sign a tier 1 FA they overpay every time. No one else was offering Djax 11 or 13 mil per year. No one was offering Vjax 55 mill.
Plus I hate to call you out but I’m looking at the 2014 Top 101 FA and it clearly state Verner is Tier 2.
If you’re going to argue at least get your facts straight.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000329702/article/top-101-nfl-free-agents-for-2014%3fnetworkId=4595&site=.news&zone=story&zoneUrl=url%253Dstory&zoneKeys=s1%253Dstory&env&pageKeyValues=prtnr%253Daround-the-league;plyr%253Driley_cooper;plyr%253Dgregory_hardy;plyr%253Djason_hatcher&p.ct=Around+the+NFL&p.adsm=false&p.tcm=%2523fff&p.bgc1m=%25230964bf&p.bgc2m=%2523053a74&sr=amp
March 8th, 2018 at 6:24 pm
Just seems to me like some of you guys simply can not handle the truth and are incapable of processing facts. Probably just unwilling to process facts.
March 8th, 2018 at 6:45 pm
I didn’t read any posts above because I got to this article late, but it seems to me that signing Curry would make our D line improve from abysmal to just terrible. Not worth it. Get someone real.
March 8th, 2018 at 6:49 pm
And blah blah blah Joe’s. You guys write all this maybe crap and time and time again these owners & GM show you why we r bottom feeders! We all can clearly see weaknesses on this team and they see as is will do the job they want done which is not much. You Joe’s bring up all these names & it only makes matters worse when nothing ever happens. How about you write about how nothing ever happens, every day until something meaningful does so we all will have something worth reading. They are going to try and pull ends from this draft that will be to little to late instead of really trying to improve this damn team & also stick it out with Robert & Spence as they tried it last year and totally got burned and didn’t learn. This all has been laughable to me for a long time now and with all this mambo jumbo crap I have to at least thank you guys for a good laugh
March 8th, 2018 at 6:49 pm
Vegas, Murray has shown he can run behind a great line. How will he fare with our average line? I would draft a back in round 2. They have young legs and Murray has never had breakaway speed, even less as he’s getting older. If he signs for less than 4 million I guess I’d take him. Maybe he has something to prove.
March 8th, 2018 at 6:54 pm
Preach on tmaxcon!it’s like they are in a dream and don’t want to wake up and realize these owners are awful,GM is awful!They are some hard head fools on here (webster).🤔
March 8th, 2018 at 7:15 pm
Yes, it begins…the ultra-frustrating FA results. The Bucs either sign no one or get cast offs. And, the cast offs will be sold as potentially great players that such and such coach can revive. pfft joke
March 8th, 2018 at 7:35 pm
Hurry up i think he had 3 sacks. That kind of output wont be on the market long… 😂😂😂😂😂
March 8th, 2018 at 7:37 pm
Dang Jarod. If you don’t want to read about noting happening then maybe you shouldn’t come to the site til next week when free agency starts.
And I only say that because you Obvisously don’t consider it anything with us resigning a backup safety a starting RT a ST gunner or a backup QB. We also let a couple guy go last week.
Team moves are about all you get right now. Aside from that there’s been only a handful of trades and free agent signing. Nothing really to talk about except speculating future moves and building drama.
March 8th, 2018 at 7:58 pm
@ db55
1st….verner was rated the TOP cornerback sir. The bucs needed a corner back and the signed the TOP one. So my facts were straight. Im sorry you missed that. Btw…did you look at 2012 to see that vjax and nicks were the TOP at their position? Did you not check 2013 when dashon goldson was the TOP safety when the bucs needed a safety? Newsflash db55, wilkerson or butler or poe may be considered 2nd tier players when the rankings come out, but they also may be considered the best free agent at their position. If the bucs sign the best free agent at their position, how is that a problem? Fyi…. talib, vontae davis, were considered 2nd tier free agents that year verner was rated the best. And how do you know no one else was offering a 2 time pro bowler in vjax 55 mil? He was the best free agent on the market. Guys like you get mad at licht for not going above and beyond and paying olivier vernon 100 mil when he was the rated the best dlineman but you want to bash the bucs for signing the best wr in 2012? You cant have it both ways.
March 8th, 2018 at 8:00 pm
@ db55
At least vjax was a multiple pro bowler when the bucs signed him. Get your facts straight. Nicks and vjax was the best and so was goldson at their position. Educate yourself
March 8th, 2018 at 8:04 pm
@ db55
One last thing, you dont know what jackson was being offered. The bucs signed him on the first day. You obviously missed when licht said djax took less money to sign with the bucs. Why? Because every where he has been he was the #1 wr. He took less with the bucs to be the # 2. Educate yourself
March 8th, 2018 at 8:06 pm
John meeks
You are the fool with comprehension issues
March 8th, 2018 at 8:14 pm
@ db55
Michael johnson was considered the best pass rusher on the market and the bucs signed him. So tell me again how my facts are wrong? You do realize von miller’s do not make it to free agency? Thats why all you cry babies screaming for players in free agency are funny. The bucs did not pay vjax as if he was megatron but they paid him accordingly. They did not pay verner as if he was sherman or peterson but they paid him accordingly. Please educate yourself.
March 8th, 2018 at 8:28 pm
@ db55
I believe you are one of the posters bashing licht and the bucs because you feel they wont sign or cant sign tremaine johnson. You like many other on here want to break the bank for this young man. Hillarious!!! He has never made the pro bowl or all pro like vjax, nicks, verner, djax etc. Educate yourself before you step to me.
March 8th, 2018 at 8:31 pm
Webster
Djax got 35mil 20 mil garuntee for 3 years. This stuff isn’t hard to find. So you’re saying another team offered more than 35 mil for 3 years? Do you have any proof or are we taking peoples word for it?
Furthermore I read the article you referenced and it clearly states Vernon was tier 2. These are facts sir that can not be disputed.
As for Vjax the point is that the Bucs have to overpay to sign FAs. The whole argument is that tier 1 agents won’t sign with the Bucs so they have to over pay and we get crap production in return.
Do you remember what we paid Revis? And what was his production like?
You gotta come with more facts and sources versus hearsay or opinion Webster.
March 8th, 2018 at 8:33 pm
Webster
Never once have I mention Trumaine Johnson. Again sir you need more facts and less opinions.
March 8th, 2018 at 8:40 pm
Webster says in 2014 Michael the ghost Johnson was the best DE available bc Jared Allen isn’t better nor did he chose to sign with our division rival AND Allen didn’t outperform Johnson. Lol, but I need to educate myself. Okay buddy.
Facts = Jared Allen is WAYYYYY BETTER than the ghost Johnson. Allen was a FA actually the best DE available and he chose to sign with our rival. Those are the facts my friend. Sorry it doesn’t fit your narrative. But please continue educating me please.
March 8th, 2018 at 9:27 pm
I was just thinking that the one thing this team needs to get to the big show is… Vinny Curry.
Zzzzzzz
March 8th, 2018 at 9:33 pm
we need to target kony ealy
March 8th, 2018 at 9:38 pm
@ db55
First of all djax got 33.5 mil so you are wrong again. When the bucs signed the 3-4 time pro bowler, the whole nfl world praised the bucs as a good signing or were you asleep for that? Why? Because he was one of the hottest free agents on the market. As it relates to the one player (verner) who nfl.com stated was a tier 2 player, you did not mention the only tier 1 player was jarius byrd that went to the saints and sucked. What i said doofus was when the bucs signed verner, he was rated as the top cornerback in his free agency class over players like talib, vontae davis etc. Why are do you have a problem the bucs signed the best at the position in free agency? They needed a cb so they signed the best for 8 mil. Who did you want them to sign? Peterson 16 mil or sherman 14 mil when they were already under contract? Maybe you know some free agency rules i or the nfl is not aware of. Thats a bucs fan for you.
As for vjax, he was a multiple time pro bowler. He was the best wr on the free agency market. Who else was the bucs suppose to sign? Megatron? He was already under contract idiot. Aj green? Julio jones? Ditto!! The bucs signed the best.
Last but not least mr. Uneducated. Jared allen had played with the vickings for 6 years prior to 2014. And he was playing with the vickings until 2016 i believe. When did the bucs have a chance to sign him? Since yo love links. Google 2014 top nfl free agents on nfl.com and you will see that michael johnson was the Top edge rusher or you can continue to be clueless
March 8th, 2018 at 9:51 pm
@ db55
Was carl nicks a 3 time pro bowler and all pro who was considered best guard in the league at the time a tier 2 player? Dashon goldson? Thats why smart gms and fans say you build through the draft. Antonio brown, von millers, luke kieckly, jj watt, patrick peterson, julio jones, aaron donalds very rarely make it to free agency because teams resign them. When they do, they are 32 years old. Thats why when the bucs sign a player who is considered the top at his position in free agency, thats an accomplishment. You cant sign who is not there. I would take a 28 year old who is considered the top at his position in free agency over the 4th best player at that position. The bucs paid michael johnson like 50 mil. Thats a big difference between the 100 mil watt or von miller got that never made it to free agency. But you are a buc fan. You dont understand.
March 8th, 2018 at 9:53 pm
Joe
Why is my previous comment in moderation?
March 8th, 2018 at 9:55 pm
@ db55
First of all djax got 33.5 mil so you are wrong again. When the bucs signed the 3-4 time pro bowler, the whole nfl world praised the bucs as a good signing or were you asleep for that? Why? Because he was one of the hottest free agents on the market. As it relates to the one player (verner) who nfl.com stated was a tier 2 player, you did not mention the only tier 1 player was jarius byrd that went to the saints and sucked. What i said doofus was when the bucs signed verner, he was rated as the top cornerback in his free agency class over players like talib, vontae davis etc. Why are do you have a problem the bucs signed the best at the position in free agency? They needed a cb so they signed the best for 8 mil. Who did you want them to sign? Peterson 16 mil or sherman 14 mil when they were already under contract? Maybe you know some free agency rules i or the nfl is not aware of. Thats a bucs fan for you.
As for vjax, he was a multiple time pro bowler. He was the best wr on the free agency market. Who else was the bucs suppose to sign? Megatron? He was already under contract idiot. Aj green? Julio jones? Ditto!! The bucs signed the best.
Last but not least mr. Uneducated. Jared allen had played with the vickings for 6 years prior to 2014. And he was playing with the vickings until 2016 i believe. When did the bucs have a chance to sign him? Since yo love links. Google 2014 top nfl free agents on nfl.com and you will see that michael johnson was the Top edge rusher or you can continue to be clueless
March 8th, 2018 at 9:57 pm
b55
First of all djax got 33.5 mil so you are wrong again. When the bucs signed the 3-4 time pro bowler, the whole nfl world praised the bucs as a good signing or were you asleep for that? Why? Because he was one of the hottest free agents on the market. As it relates to the one player (verner) who nfl.com stated was a tier 2 player, you did not mention the only tier 1 player was jarius byrd that went to the saints and sucked. What i said doofus was when the bucs signed verner, he was rated as the top cornerback in his free agency class over players like talib, vontae davis etc. Why are do you have a problem the bucs signed the best at the position in free agency? They needed a cb so they signed the best for 8 mil. Who did you want them to sign? Peterson 16 mil or sherman 14 mil when they were already under contract? Maybe you know some free agency rules i or the nfl is not aware of. Thats a bucs fan for you.
As for vjax, he was a multiple time pro bowler. He was the best wr on the free agency market. Who else was the bucs suppose to sign? Megatron? He was already under contract idiot. Aj green? Julio jones? Ditto!! The bucs signed the best.
Last but not least mr. Uneducated. Jared allen had played with the vickings for 6 years prior to 2014. And he was playing with the vickings until 2016 i believe. When did the bucs have a chance to sign him? Since yo love links. Google 2014 top nfl free agents on nfl.com and you will see that michael johnson was the Top edge rusher or you can continue to be clueless
March 8th, 2018 at 10:00 pm
Webster
Try again. EDUCATE YOURSELF
2014
Jared Allen 800k at Carolina 5.5 sacks
Michael Johnson 16 million 4 sacks
You have no facts sir. Carl got paid and couldnt even play. Goldson overpaid too and cost us games.
March 9th, 2018 at 12:55 am
Start signing the bargain basement, over the hill gang. I say bring him in, of course I want Licht and Koetter gone so! Do it!
March 9th, 2018 at 1:03 pm
Curry came into the NFL with lots of college production, but he was smaller and slower than teams would like… There’s not a whole lot that can be done with an NFL player that isn’t productive and doesn’t have the physical ability to get much better. He’s too small, too slow, and too unproductive to do much here. No thanks.
March 9th, 2018 at 2:35 pm
Curry would be a waste of money for a backup. He certainly is not the starter material we need. We need Baltimore’s Center, The Rams’ CB, a Veteran hard hitting and tackling cover Safety for Strong Safety, and The Brown’s RB or Hyde in Free Agency, and that is all we can afford, especially since we already resigned Fitz. All the rest we can get in the draft. I have laid out previously who we need to draft to fill out the rest of our needs, but Licht likely will blow it and go BPA and ignore our needs once again!!!