Healthy Jameis Equaled Turnover Jameis

January 2nd, 2018

If America’s Quarterback, Jameis Winston, protected the football better this season, how many more games would the Bucs have won?

Great question.

Of course, Jameis, like any quarterback, will have turnovers. You can’t eliminate them all. But Jameis led the NFL in fumbles this season with 15 in 13 games, after being a big fumbler last season.

Jameis didn’t fumble much as a rookie, only six, so it’s an escalating problem.

What perhaps was most troubling about the fumbles, and the interceptions, was that Jameis had a rough time with ball security after returning healthy against the Packers following a three-week healing time for his sprained shoulder.

Here’s the line:

Packers – lost fumble for a TD
Lions- 2 picks and a fumble lost
Falcons – no turnovers
Panthers – 3 lost fumbles
Saints – 3 interceptions

For the math challenged, that’s five interceptions and five lost fumbles in his last five games.

Suppose Jameis cut those totals in half? The Packers game went to overtime and the Bucs lost to the Panthers and Lions by a combined six points.

It’s intriguing to think about what a Jameis who protects the football could be.

And it’s why Joe is lobbying for a new quarterbacks coach. Sometimes a fresh set of eyes and a new voice can make a difference. Three years of Mike Bajakian with Jameis and The Franchise is having costly ball security issues.

Joe’s not blaming Bajakian. But for some reason, some things aren’t getting through to Jameis. A new voice and teaching approach could represent a wake-up call.

75 Responses to “Healthy Jameis Equaled Turnover Jameis”

  1. The Buc Realist Says:

    Take the pressure off with a consistent run game with an explosive enough back that defenses will have to account for who is not a liability in pass-protection and I think we will see the turnover go down!!!!!!! JW3 and the intermediate pass game was stressed to much as that was the identity of the offense and nothing else was as dynamic enough!!!!!!!

    Also Joe, Cut those turnovers in half and the defense looks much better!!!!! But keep up with your crusade against Coach Smitty!!!!!!!

    Fix the “real” problems the trenches!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Go Bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  2. Bucsfanman Says:

    C’mon Joe! You can’t pin those on Jameis. Why?! Because, that’s why! It was probably Lovie’s fault. The moon was full. He only got 3 hours of sleep! Wait, Jameis doesn’t sleep, he’ immortal!
    Nope, not Jameis’ fault (stomps feet).

  3. Lamarcus Says:

    Let’s cut the crap by letting such a Qb carry your NFL team to the promise Land.

    Wentz Goff Prescott Mariotta have a better situation because they are not asked to carry their team. It’s the only to proper develop ur young Qb. But we are the Bucs.

  4. Rob Says:

    The human ATM (America’s turnover machine), Jameis Winston, absolutely cost the Bucs a few wins this year with his fumbles and interceptions. I agree that every qb turns the ball over and some turnovers are expected, especially with no run game and terrible pass protection at times. The problem is that these turnovers were so prevalent and at times costly that it flat out cost the Bucs games. If the human ATM can cut his turnovers by 25-30 percent (I don’t think he can cut them in half), we are sure to be even more competitive and win more games. That is all. Go Bucs!

  5. 81bucboi Says:

    im not sure Winston will ever shake the turnover bug……I do know he has the ability to bring us out of whatever hole he’s dug us in……that’s more important…..GO BUCS!!!!

  6. Dano2200 Says:

    How it is Jameis’ fault to fumble when he gets hit blind side due to a collapsing pocket? Yes he gets the stat but it’s not on him. One pick on Sunday Evans didn’t finish his route and if he did, the ball would have hit him in stride, that’s on Evans not Jameis. I agree Jameis needs to vastly improve his ball security but a legitimate run game will help immensely the woes in the red zone and the turnovers overall.

  7. Nate Says:

    Lamarcus I somewhat agree BUT

    Jameis is the type of farve type qb gunslinger since college btw

    that takes on that persona even when he doesn’t need too……

    idk the easy solution for that ..maybe its the coaching in his ear ….better D

    but its not just one thing

    Jameis even up in a game takes TOO many chances…..that needs to stop in those situations too ….as slim as they were this year

  8. 813bucboi Says:

    and having him throw 51 times don’t help either…..keep him under 28 attempts per game….GO BUCS!!!!

  9. Nate Says:

    I will say the previous games he did win …..before game 16

    was take what the Defense gives you Jameis after watching fitz…and looked great

    but he went back to the Alabama gambler against soon after

  10. Bucsfanman Says:

    813 gets it! It’s not a good recipe to have JW throwing more than 30-35 times in a game. Everything about this offseason needs to be about the trenches and the run-game. Despite what many still think, a run-game is a QB’s best friend.

  11. Nate Says:

    against teams soon after*

  12. Brett Says:

    Bucs really need a running game… and a kicking game…. and a defensive line that can pressure the qb… and a secondary that can cover… and…

  13. BucFanFromOH Says:

    Rob Says:
    January 2nd, 2018 at 2:49 pm

    The human ATM (America’s turnover machine)….If the human ATM can cut his turnovers by 25-30 percent….
    The human America’s turnover machine?

  14. SB Says:

    A new QB coach won’t do spit. You can’t coach the gunslinger out of him. We knew what we were signing up for in the first place.

  15. SCBucsFan Says:

    I’ll say it again… those of you pining for Barber have to see a backfield with JW and Barber will make Tampa the fumble capital of the free world

  16. Nate Says:

    none are ALL his fault but you STILL cant hold the ball back there for 8 secs like the green bay game and expect not to have your arm hit

    I’m tired to talk it










    FOOTBALL 101 GENTLEMAN ….in my ira voice….your welcome …what up sage hahaha

  17. Roy T. Buford Says:

    I’m not saying Winston likes to fumble or throw picks, but I get the impression he’s a BS artist and doesn’t really hear it when his leadership tells him he has to cool it. Jameis seems like the kind of guy to say what he thinks people want to hear, not really what he believes or really intends to do. I get the impression he still sees taking too many risks as being acceptable due to the reward. So far, seems like he lives his life like that off the field too. That is, he’ll do what he wants, especially when he thinks no one is looking. It could all come crashing down on him in 2018 (turnover woes and Uber woes)…but I hope not.

  18. Nate Says:

    I’m always dropping the mic on some of yall fools …I feel like LL ….nate dub lol

  19. Defense Rules Says:

    @Joe … “And it’s why Joe is lobbying for a new quarterbacks coach.” Be still my heart; I can’t believe I just read that. Isn’t that the FIRST time you’ve called for a new QB coach Joe? What changed your mind? No, it’s not the first time at all.–Joe

    Jameis’ fumbling, or the fact that they’re trying to turn him into a pocket statue & hog-tie him? Jameis is improving in several areas, but he’s also regressing in several others. That’s on his handlers … he’s our designated FRANCHISE QUARTERBACK. They need to do a better job of helping him mature and develop.

    BTW, interesting observation about fumbling not being a problem in 2015. Interesting because that’s the same year Martin rushed for over 1,400 yards. Hmmm, I wonder if the OLine’s performance had anything to do with either of those. Remember Logan Mankins? When we lost him (2016 retirement), we lost the REAL leader of the OLine IMO. It’s been all downhill from there. Used to think that George Warhop was the one who really brought them all together. Don’t think that anymore. Mankins made all the difference IMO. We need to find a FA this year in his mold to provide the leadership for these young guys on the OLine. Warhop isn’t cutting it.

  20. AlteredEgo Says:

    When can we start arguing over the draft ?

  21. Hamsanditchtime Says:

    He has had issue this year with fumbles… true. Let’s run him out of town!!!! Guys 23 and putting up great numbers. Best QB we have ever had. You all need to calm down, over next 2 to 3 years this guys going to be top 3. A lot of haters would want MM or Dak, give me a break! Get us a run game a D that’s not last in league!!! A O line that doesn’t have him running for his life and watch him go. Same idiots that ran Steve Young out of town. How did that work out! Go Bucs!!!!

  22. Blackmagic00 Says:

    Fix the damn trenches and it might no be too surprising to see barber have a breakout year. An elite back would be great too, but just fix the trenches!!!

  23. Rod Munch Says:

    For INTs, going into yesterday, Winston had 8 on the year, that’s good for a guy playing in a 1980s offense where QBs generally threw like 20 INTs a year. If you want turnover results like teams get in the 2010s, then play a modern offense. I’m not actually against Dirk’s offense, but when you play a deep ball offense, that means the ball is in the air longer which means more picks AND it means holding the ball longer, which when mixed with a poor offense line can mean more fumbles as well.

    Also 6 of the INTs Jameis threw came in two games, @Minn and in this last game.

    For fumbles Jameis didn’t have an issue with them in his rookie year when the offense line played well and he had the same center for almost the entire year.

  24. Phil Says:

    We do need major upgrades to the offensive line. They must protect Jameis at all cost. If that means keeping running backs and tight ends in to block then so be it. I also think Godwin needs to be the number three receiver will help Jameis.

  25. PriMech54 Says:

    My man Lamarcus has a brain, thank you sir

    If you put any of these trendy hotshot qb’s on this team they’d look just as bad, and probably worse for the majority of them. Wentz is a beast so he might be the exception to that, but if you think Goff, Mariota, Prescott or Carr would survive in this situation and magically turn this whole thing around you’re a brick head. JW is younger than all of them, also

  26. AlteredEgo Says:

    Phil & the OL….I think Marpet is a better guard than center…and I called for him as a center the day he was drafted…I think we need to draft a center that Jamesi will be playing with for years….this draft is very important for the future OL-DL-DB…

  27. crazy Says:

    Jameis knows what he’s doing wrong. He just doesn’t think it matters enough to stop trying to salvage those broken plays. He’s too confident he can make up for it when he gets the ball back. He has to want to stop it not just tell us he needs to stop it. Just do it.

  28. Lakeland Says:

    Where was this question in 2015 after the Bucs fired Love Smith? They had 28 turnovers in 2015, Jameis had 18. He had more turnovers in 2015 than he this season.

  29. Rod Munch Says:

    Marpet was fine at center – but he was an all-pro at guard. I still don’t like the move but they’re not going to undo it at this point.

    But just having a healthy center that plays all year can help dramatically. Also having refs that aren’t garbage would help as well since Winston did not lose that last fumble at Carolina no matter what those union slobs zebras said.

  30. StPeteBucsFan Says:

    I agree no QB is going to get us very far in into the playoffs with this team as long as the OL can’t run block and the DL can’t pass rush.

  31. DavidBigBucsFan99 Says:

    Roy T Buford please keep you racially motivated so called hopes to yourself. The females are white he’s black so of course he did it right? Even though the two females are proving out to be gold diggers. Stories didn’t add up, never convicted took two years to get a lawyer….. oh wait! It’s the same lawyer as the first gold digger used who squeezed 950gs out of FSU but got didly out of Fameis. You only see these so called bad leanings but what about the good things he’s done since with this team. Please don’t put him into the same category as Johnny Manziel because he’s nowhere near what that classless chump is! Your agenda up here is not genuine hope you want yourself a white qb just be a man of your convictions and say it.

    Defensrules I was going to bring that up too! Fameis rookie year Martin ran for 1400 yards AND was sacked like 27 times or even less than that so fewer strip sack fumbles as well. So it’s obviousthen, fix the trenches and the run game will help cut down the turnovers. Behind Jameis rookie year the Bucs had the fewest 3 and outs in the league. He also had 6 rushing tds that year something that Dirk Magurt had tried so hard to coach out of him to his detriment. Jameis does need a new qb coach because the one he had now is try to turn him into a statue.

  32. Tackleblockwin Says:

    Let’s have s good draft and gets some boys in the trenches on both sides of the ball, a RB and CB. In free agency let’s please be careful lol.

  33. Perimeter Blocker Says:

    Hey Joe, name some possibilities for QB coach and why they would be willing to come here on the hot seat…???

  34. JabooBuc Says:

    Why is this point so easily dismissed by people?

    INTs in First 45 career NFL starts:
    Jameis – 44
    Peyton – 57
    Brady – 38
    Big Ben – 46
    Elway – 53
    Stafford – 54
    Marino – 50
    Eli – 52
    Luck – 40
    Brees – 41
    Montana – 40
    Favre – 50
    Unitas – 51

  35. Rob Says:


    It’s the human ATM. Human because well, he is alive. ATM because he is America’s turnover machine. If he wants to lose the nickname, stop turning the ball over like he gets a bonus for each fumble or pick. Go Bucs!

  36. ndog Says:

    Packers – lost fumble for a TD (Hit by his own linemen from behind)
    Lions- 2 picks and a fumble lost (First one Bad throw but D-Jax ran a poor route, second one OJ was clearly interfered with, fumble hit from behind again while throwing)
    Falcons – no turnovers
    Panthers – 3 lost fumbles (Hit by throwing, center pulled out to early while he was pulling, last one he had to hold the ball as the game was over if he just eats it)
    Saints – 3 interceptions (First one Mike quit on his route, second one he underthrew, third one was just stupid)

  37. ndog Says:

    JabooBuc the answer is simple, they never wanted him here in the first place so they want to scream they were right. Many reasons for this that we wont go into are in play here, but the bottom line is outside of playing perfectly and winning the SuperBowl he will never be good enough in their opinion.

    Why is this point so easily dismissed by people?

    INTs in First 45 career NFL starts:
    Jameis – 44
    Peyton – 57
    Brady – 38
    Big Ben – 46
    Elway – 53
    Stafford – 54
    Marino – 50
    Eli – 52
    Luck – 40
    Brees – 41
    Montana – 40
    Favre – 50
    Unitas – 51

  38. NJBucsFan Says:

    He needs to make friends with Wentz…Wentz averaged a fumble a game last year (not all lost). He cleaned that up as well as tweaking his throwing motion.

    Might be time for a visit to the QB guru.

  39. Roy T. Buford Says:

    Red, yellow, black, or white, anyone out at 2 am with his recent history and the need to walk the straight and narrow for his own NFL image and that of the team that gave him a chance….this guy does should make better decisions. How you get any racial out of that is your problem to deal with. So, DavidBigBucsFan99, keep your race card drawing to real situations. Oh, how do you know what color the Uber driver is? Maybe you were the third passenger in the car and have some explaining to do. Maybe you should confess and just end the ordeal for Jameis and all of Tampa Bay.

  40. BuccLuck Says:

    I think it’s pretty clear the 3 picks on Sunday originated from Jameis saying F it, it’s the last game of the year, we’ve got nothing left to play for, and I’m going to try to keep Mike Evans in the record book! He was slinging it wherever he wanted and trying to force the ball to Mike. That’s for sure what happened when he threw the INT after avoiding a sack and tossing it up to the back of the end zone. He was trying to give Mike a chance.

  41. Rod Munch Says:

    ndog – The first INT against the Saints was just Jameis not seeing the safety, that’s certainly what it looked like. I believe Jameis made the read at the snap that the S was dropping, but instead he came up and made a great jump on the ball. That happens, sometimes the defense is just better on a particular play. I didn’t see any lazy play be the WR on that one.

    On the second INT you’re right, he tried to loft the ball out and just under threw it. The read was fine, just the throw wasn’t there.

    For the third INT he slightly overthrew what was supposed to be a jump ball to Evans, but Evans wasn’t there. I didn’t see the replay but I wouldn’t be shocked if like all game Evans was being tackled the entire time the ball was in the air. Sure you’re not supposed to throw that ball, but Evans wins those jump balls a lot more times than he loses them. Also, and Jameis can’t flat out say there, I think he was trying to get Evans not only the 1000 yards but also a TD to finish out his year since the game was meaningless and he was feeding him the ball.

    On those 3 plays really only the 3rd INT is notable and one he shouldn’t have thrown and knew he shouldn’t have thrown – and I really think had the situation been different, had the Bucs been playing for something, I don’t think he does throw that ball.

    Also the only other 3 INT game is back at Minnesota and in that game the Bucs were hopelessly down 21 points by the third time the Bucs had the ball and Winston was forcing the ball downfield trying to get the Bucs back into the game against the best defense in football – one playing at home. That game to me was meaningless because the Bucs had no real chance other than some miracle plays. In that game he threw one deep ball to D-Jax that was underthrown – just a bad throw. Another INT was when D-Jax and Winston were not on the same page and D-Jax stopped on his route (I think by design, not being lazy) and Jameis threw the ball to where D-Jax should have been. That INT I put on D-Jax since I can’t imagine it was Jameis that didn’t know the play there. For the third INT the Bucs are still like 21 points down in the 4th quarter and running out of time and Winston is just taking deep shots hoping something happens. I don’t put that on anyone other than the situation of the game being that you HAVE to make something happen or the game is over.

    Overall Winston didn’t have any INT problems this year – he didn’t make a ton of bad throws and the ones he did make are in the general range of what other starting QBs do, except they don’t play in a 1980s offense where throwing 20 INTs a year was the norm.

  42. nole4JabooANDdBucs Says:

    Oh man…this going to be a long off season, when you have to hear over and over how JW neefs to be handled. It is just to make some sound really like they are knowledgeable about what JW needs. I personally think he has achieved what he needed and IF all goes well in the
    draft WE WILL BE HARD TO STOP. What JW needed was time, and he was playing well regardless as to what the revisited group remember. The dude was injured the 2nd freakin game and it was his throwin arm NO LESS! He came back on FIRE, but still not completely healed…and lit it up!

    So game against NO there was no play off so he played to help deliver a positive for a teammate’s record, and tried hard to get him the ball…next he wanted that win and defied his HC and fired down field with all his inaccuracy…smh…and gave a deserving teammate who has earned his trust the game winning TD…along with a supportive group of teammates supporting him with the misfires, because they wanted ME to get his reward also.

    Finally, you can go on and on about how he is not your chice of a QB

  43. nole4JabooANDdBucs Says:

    Choice of a QB…but it takes more than talent…and he got it! If you listen Donovan said JW is slicing it and he still is not well.

    The thing Jimbo would pull his QB to him and ask what are u seeing out there, after every play! You nay sayers will learn one day and then you will either act like you were behind this kid all along or give some coach the credit.

    Coaches coach, players play!

  44. Bob in Valrico Says:

    Very true about the running game helping the passing game.Also they cut
    the field half in half for Jameis his rookie year. Less progressions should help with quicker decisions.
    Not sure if Koetter is trying to turn into a pocket statue. I would submit that when he runs of late he has put his head down and run with a purpose. Last year and earlier this year I have seen him float into the flat and fake a pump or two before he runs. Defenses are too fast and this allows them to catch up and possibly injure him. Now I will say I think I would like to see him be a pocket QB first ,
    and a runner second ,unlike Michael Vick.
    Kinda think Koetter would like to see Jameis be able to hang in the pocket long enough to complete some deep throws and run when the opportunity
    arises much like Ryan.Never hurts to have a sea of green in front any QB.
    to run for a big play.
    Also seeing some improvement on his deep ball and this will also help balance the offense and make us less predictable.

  45. Broy34 Says:

    The fact that we have replaced nobody worries me

  46. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    Cam Cameron or Jim Zorn

  47. Rod Munch Says:

    What are talking about Bob – Winston probably stays alive in the pocket as long as anyone in the NFL, it’s one of his best traits, and it’s one that gets him in trouble as well since he’s fearless and waits until the absolute last second to get rid of the ball if he’s waiting on someone to get open.

    Actually I looked up the stats and NFL Next Gen stats proves my point. The only starting QBs that held onto the ball longer before releasing the ball was Keenum, Prescott, Goff, Wilson and Watson. What’s the trend with these QBs? Well Keenum, Prescott and Goff all have good running games and got good offensive line play, and Wilson and Watson are scrambling QBs who create time by running around. Winston doesn’t run outside the pocket, he moves around inside the pocket and creates time on his own since the offensive line play was generally awful.

  48. Duke Says:


    The first int was first a missed read, then Jameis threw it directly into the safety.
    The idea He didn’t see him is possible but that’s on Jameis because the safety was in his direct line of sight. That is the most baffling throw. The end zone pick
    was a throw into 4 white jerseys and if it’s a great throw ME can make the catch
    without much chance for a pick. The problem was JW didn’t have proper body alignment and a full throwing motion to make that throw. Bad judgment on JW
    to believe that He could make the throw.

  49. Gambelero Says:

    He actually had very few turnovers (this year anyway) when he plays within the design of the offense. An amazing percentage occur because he tries to do something stupid while he’s got a defender draped all over him. A better oline is the answer. Look at how much Carr, Prescott, Mariota, Newton and even Luck regressed when their olines went from great to average (okay, average to poor in Luck’s case). Let’s shoot for a really good oline instead of settling for mediocre at best.

  50. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    Enforcement of Illegal Contact Rule.
    The impact of this new emphasis on unimpeded receivers has been huge.
    That’s why you can’t compare these new QB’s to the Legends of the Game.

  51. Bob in Valrico Says:

    Not really sure what your point is Rod, I was talking to defenses point about
    Koetter wanting Jameis to Jameis to be a pocket statue.My belief is Koetter would like Jameis to be similar to Matt Ryan , A pocket passer and a runner first and runner second.And I would agree that Jameis is very good at escaping the pocket.
    My other point was that I was glad to see him put his head down and decide to run with it. This decision would help him avoid injury .
    I see no need for double pump fakes when running or deciding to throw the ball three yards past the line past the line of scrimmage. Just saying make a decision and go with it.

  52. Bob in Valrico Says:

    Edit :
    Pocket passer first , runner second.

  53. DB55 Says:


    I disagree. Jameis believe it or not can run with the best of them. He had 6 rushing TDs his rookie year. Koetter is holding jameis back. The only reason he threw the ball 3 yards past the los is bc Koetter is telling him not to run.

    Jameis is not Koetters q.b koetter wants statues like Matt Ryan and Blaine Gabbret. Koetter too old school for today’s nfl.

    Winston’s rookie yr he ran for 213 yards 6 TDs and only 6 fumbles (2 lost). He has steadily regressed in the last 2 years. This yr only 135 yards and 1 td (that came in week 17 in what I thought was a busted play and he took 2 DTs and a LB into the endzone with him.). 15 fumbles 7 lost so what we’ve learned is that Winston is better without Koetter.

  54. DB55 Says:

    Jameis needs Russell Wilson’s q.b coach. Only other qb in the league who can play without an online or running game. Quite remarkable imo.

  55. Doctor Stroud Says:

    New QB coach? I like the sound of that!

  56. NFLNut Says:

    If I ever seen Jameis running around palming the ball with one hand and show-boating like Marcus Peters after an interception,and THEN fumble, I’ll be upset with Jameis … but seeing him get blindsided, or Marpet mess up a handoff doesn’t concern me at all. Jameis NEVER had a “problem” with fumbles until this year, and this year he had a guy who was playing center for the first time in his life, no running game at all, and a bad O-Line (especially towards the latter part of the year) … and the fumbles mounted. It doesn’t concern me at all.

  57. Lamarcus Says:

    Like skip Bayless said about Koetter. This team has a ceiling because of the coaching staff. This coaching staff will hold everyone back. Hate to say Skip was right!!

  58. EEK Says:

    That win was amazing.
    Winston gave back some hope after a horrific run of consecutive losses.

    The Saints win was incredible and it must be said that it was a total team win. Winston did have an opportunity to drive the field in the late 4th quarter and put the team in position to win but failed. The D held up and NO exercised horrible clock management and play calling while their HoF qb was unable to close out the game.

    The 95 yard TD drive gives me something to be optimistic about for next year but the data are demonstrating a possible reversion to Winston’s mean with the 3 horrible INTs.

    Let’s hope the trend continues to be favorable.

  59. Lamarcus Says:


    I do agree with u. And i believe JW turnover problem is not a problem. Yeah they do hurt when it happens but JW is not turning the ball over like he sucks like most Qb do. Then most importantly JW is not turning over the rock clinching games ….. ( See Brees int against Falcons Dion Jones)

  60. NFLNut Says:

    ^ The data? Jameis was #1 in the entire NFL in passer rating the previous 4 games … he finally had a bad game and still closed it out with the best game-winning drive in the last 10 years in the NFL … Jameis is fine.

  61. ruggyup Says:

    James is fine promoters have a case albeit a contrived one. Blame everyone, literally everyone, but the player. The fact is JW and the offense and defense need fresh proven creative fixers and innovators. How long since anyone talking Bucs has used “innovative” to describe this debacle. For chris sakes get over it and play Bucs’ football, no one else’s but some good old fashioned Bucs kick ass, we play our game our way nobody else’s.

  62. loggedontosay Says:


    To things

    1. The reason those who are reasonable are concerned about Jameis’ fumbles is because he is the only hope that the Bucs can win a game.

    2. PFF ranked the Bucs offensive line as poor.

    Fix the line; fixes the fumbling by Jameis.

  63. Bob in Valrico Says:

    @ Db55
    my point was in no way saying could not run.Ryan runs ,Jameis runs and I think its a strength especaillyy how he escapes from the pocket. Nobody really knows
    why he he staying the pocket.In a nutshell ,I’m saying I liked the way he ran
    in the last few games when he saw a lot of green and took advantage of it.
    His TD run showed a lot of heart. What i also saying is should also Trust his first instinct: If he decides to run ,then commit to it and skip some the pump fakes and attempting a pass beyond the line of scrimmage. Not saying he should run
    often either because I would hate to see him lose playing time like Russell Wilson has to injuries in recent years.
    As for Koetter can’t say I like everything he has done on offense. I think he put together some good game plans in the last couple of weeks.He has to slow to move fom Martin and too slow getting OJ involved in the offense. I guess am an optimist so I am hoping Jameisand Koetter can get a potent scoring offense together next year. Another thing trhat has happened in the last couple of weeks is our offense has been more consistant and we are not having as many three and outs in beginning of game,that give opposing offense a chance to score..

  64. Rod Munch Says:

    Duke – I partly agree with you in that I think he did read the defense wrong, which is what I said above, I believe he thought the safety was going to drop and he didn’t. As for seeing the S, I doubt it based on where he was, where the ball was going and he was moving right with the offense and defense linemen in his line of sight (by memory on that, I could be wrong). In my opinion he threw the ball based on his pre snap read of the defense and again just didn’t see the safety not drop, but instead play up. The only one that knows for sure is Winston and I didn’t hear him talk about it.

    BTW I wish players were asked questions like that since I think it would be interesting to hear the answer. I know if players did answer the questions truthfully that a bunch of people would just accuse them of making excuses – and players always say it’s my fault, I need to be better, etc etc etc. I’m just curious when he sees the film what he thinks and why he threw the ball there.

  65. mike10 Says:

    Lol so neither interceptions or fumbles has anything to do with the offensive line? Coincidentally, our rushing attack was poor and Winston is deemed best outside the “pocket”.

    Definitely can’t be the offensive line lol

  66. Rod Munch Says:

    Bob – Jameis is a classic pocket passer and he does stay in the pocket forever, I wish Dirk would roll him out more let him use his legs a bit more. According to ESPN, for what it’s worth, last year Winston lead the league in QBR outside the pocket (no idea on this years stats since I haven’t seen the breakdown). The fumbles Winston had were mainly from him trying to keep plays alive while keeping his eyes downfield the entire time, a trait almost every NFL coach wants. Being a Bucs fan as a kid it was all they talked about with Steve Young, he has to stop looking to run and try to keep passing plays alive – well Jameis is the exact opposite of that – he’s more like Peyton Manning than anyone in that he stands in the pocket and moves around inside the pocket extremely well creating additional time for his receivers. Now Winston isn’t at Manning’s level yet, but he’s in that mold in terms of playing the in pocket. However if they moved him out of the pocket it might help with the terrible offensive line play give even more time. Winston certainly has the ability to do more in terms of running, but that shouldn’t be a goal, the goal should be to just get him rolling out more since he can create a lot of time by doing so.

  67. Pelbuc Says:

    Bucks will win when JW develops maturity and discipline. He also needs to ” humble himself” as the Georgia player told Mayfield after the Rose Bowl. Great line!

  68. Bob in Valrico Says:

    Joe has brought has also brought that up. and I agree with much of what you are saying in above paragraph and I would love to see Jameis throw like peyton did deep until late in his career. I think that is improving as his shoulder got better. But in his presser he suggested he still neede rehab to get it right. Gotta admit I
    misjudged how much affect it was having on his passing after sseeing his last three or four games.
    Wouldn’t want Jameis to turn into a running QB except when he sees an opening
    he can’t refuse. Running QB’s have shorter careers in my view.

  69. Bob in Valrico Says:

    @ db
    I would blame the fumbles on the O line and sometimes Jameis hol;ding it too

  70. satchseven Says:

    SB Says:

    January 2nd, 2018 at 3:00 pm

    A new QB coach won’t do spit. You can’t coach the gunslinger out of him. We knew what we were signing up for in the first place.

    I disagree, JW3 needs somebody who going to be waiting for him to get in his az when he does dumb stuff. the first pick the saints won with good defense. I agree with other posters, me13 did not get to the spot. The last one was just dumb and jw3 knew it you could see it on his face , but he is throwing into heavy coverage way too much.

    I live in Seattle and watch Bucs and Seahawks the same time. We hardly ever see Wilson throwing into double and triple coverage. it is a shock when I see him do something dumb. I also think he really should get in his head take what they give you.

    I lived in St Louis during the Kurt Warner glory days, Kurt would spread that ball around to everybody. That is where jw 3 needs to get to instead of always looking for me13. everybody in the NFL knows he going to force balls to double covered me13

  71. NFLNut Says:

    ^ Kurt Warner had nowhere near the arm talent Jameis has … and Jameis hardly ever forced the ball to Mike this year … Mike barely had 1,000 yards … Jameis forced like crazy in the last game to get Mike his record, but that’s no big deal …

  72. loggedontosay Says:

    I just realized you peopleydo not know sh*t about football.

  73. loggedontosay Says:


    Give up. You are arguing with stupid people. They already know that they are wrong.

  74. Nole4JabooANDdBucs Says:

    Some of the asinine crap people see and say….smh

    I think Koetter is gonna learn to trust his QB more…ask Jimbo…Jimbo became a winning coach with JW under center, why, because they were a team…he let JW have a lot of I’m out!

    Go BUCS

  75. MTM Says:

    Winston’s problem is his lack reality assessment. His problems are obvious to everyone but him. A QB coach is not going to stop him from throwing arrant picks. The bench will. Get some QB competition for him to compete with. Not a back up on the way out of the league. If Winston’s football IQ is equal to Manning. Then Russell Wilson’s most be other worlds high!