“I Would Like There To Be Some Kind Of An Advisor To Jason Licht”
December 30th, 2017
A former Buccaneer doesn’t like general manager Jason Licht’s’ batting average in free agency. Brent Grimes and Robert McClain, though, have been successes.
Through the years, Joe has pounded a loud drum for the Bucs to lose the egos and open the wallets to get consultant/coaching help for Raheem Morris, Lovie Smith and Dirk Koetter — to fix repeated deficiencies on their watches.
Some examples: Raheem was plagued by incessant slow starts. Lovie’s offensive coordinator Jeff Tedford became ill and the Bucs inflicted ill-suited Marcus Arroyo on Bucs fans for an entire season. Dirk Koetter’s defense became lousy blitzers this year while his offense averages less than 8.5 points in the first halves of games. (Yeah, like that’s just a coincidence.)
There’s no shame in asking for significant help.
That brings Joe to general manager Jason Licht, whose free agency record is almost felonious. It doesn’t sit well with former Bucs guard Ian Beckles (1990-1996), who would like to see a shakeup of Licht’s pro personnel team.
“I would like there to be some kind of an advisor to Jason Licht because it’s obvious that whoever is making these [free agent] picks, whether it’s Shelton Quarles or whoever it may be, they’re making mistakes on talent,” Beckles said. “We’re not that talented.
“Jason Licht has been here a long time not to find a pass rusher. You have to find a pass rusher sometimes by accident.”
To be fair to Quarles, it’s John Spytek who is in his second season as director of player personnel.
Regardless, Beckles is on point. Logic says Licht could/should benefit from fresh eyes to assist in his evaluation of free agents. Joe sure hopes that as obvious at One Buc Palace as it is to Beckles and Joe.
December 30th, 2017 at 11:05 am
It don’t matter who evaluate free agents, no decent free agent want to play for the Bucs. You really can’t blame them. Why pick the Bucs over the other 31 teams?
December 30th, 2017 at 11:07 am
Wow Lakeland…that hurts.
December 30th, 2017 at 11:17 am
It’s going to be a lot harder convincing some FA’s that this is the team to play for in 2018…a lot harder..the only thing to do is open your wallet, and as wide as it goes..
December 30th, 2017 at 11:19 am
Sit down and discuss things over lunch with Jason? Sure, why not Ian. But an advisor, don’t think so. I like Ian, and thought he was a good and tough player. And he knows much more about football than I could ever hope to know. But advisor to Licht? Don’t think so.
December 30th, 2017 at 11:21 am
Correct Life…for if no other reason, because the GM and Coach are on thin ice…rightfully so. And someone in the prime of their career is very unlikely to step into such a situation…unless most other teams, except Cleveland, aren’t willing to match our offer.
December 30th, 2017 at 11:24 am
And Life…that is just for now… as Cleveland gets the number one and likely the four pick in this draft, and trades one down for a handful of top draft picks…let’s say four of the top sixty two players in the draft, they might be the preferred site over Tampa.
December 30th, 2017 at 11:25 am
Jason is a average scout and nothing else.
He doesn’t have the vision to build a roster.
You can’t debate this
December 30th, 2017 at 11:30 am
Destin…the problem is that the Glazers have no idea how good any of these guys are.
December 30th, 2017 at 11:35 am
Licht needs more than an advisor, he needs a replacement. His track record proves he’s clueless and if he’s depending on others, they need to replaced as well. The cold reality of this season has exposed the lack of talent and depth on this team. That’s on the GM.
December 30th, 2017 at 11:39 am
We keep hearing about the 2015 “grand-slam” draft. But 2014 was mediocre and 2016 was poor. In fact, 2015 featured a #1 overall and a bottom of the 2nd pickup (Marpet). Props on Kwon, but the rest of the below-4th-round selections have been worthless. Short answer: Jason’s drafting has NOT been good.
As for free agency, the less(said) the better.
Licht just has been a disappointment as GM.
December 30th, 2017 at 11:48 am
Mark2001, bingo Licht is being evaluated by owners that know how much about football and building a winner?. Additionally, the Glazers appear to not care because if they did they would realize that their organization needs change at the very top. The Falcons for example have like 3 or 4 guys that used to be general managers all supporting their GM, a president of football operations, and an owner that really wants to win and will spend to win. We got Jason Licht, who will be fired and be replaced by another guy who will be fired. Rinse and repeat.
December 30th, 2017 at 11:50 am
It would be nice to have an advisor also to figure out how to handle our DC situation. Most likely Mike Smith is gone which I’m fine with, but if he leaves we’ll be installing our 4th defensive scheme in 7 years. I’m wondering if we should try to hire within (if any of our other defensive coaches are worth it) just to keep some type of continuity. I don’t know if that’s the answe or not, but wanted to pose that question.
December 30th, 2017 at 12:08 pm
LL You know what the say about Opinions. They’re like @ssholes everyone’s got one and yours Stinks. You have zero facts to back that up.
December 30th, 2017 at 12:17 pm
I think it’s been hard to sign any free agents with those horribly ugly jerseys. When do we get the chance for new one’s??
December 30th, 2017 at 12:17 pm
Players don’t care where they play all they care about is how much money they will get to do so..
December 30th, 2017 at 12:29 pm
Get Brooks
December 30th, 2017 at 12:44 pm
Beckles is a moron. That’s exactly the role of the director of player personnel, John Spytek. Whether he’s doing a good enough job is a valid discussion.
December 30th, 2017 at 12:47 pm
Licht has been a dud.
Another year of garbage.
I doubt we renew our seats. The product is trash.
December 30th, 2017 at 12:51 pm
You mean other than his drinking buddy Bill from Brandon? Or the lackey’s who laughed at his lousy attempt at humor with “Siri” featured on Hard Knocks? If only he could find an after the fact expert who writes Elf Erotica and other creepy pieces for pre-teens and wierdos featured on “To Catch A Predator” claiming they only wanted to “watch movies”. Anyone?
December 30th, 2017 at 12:57 pm
Trade GMC to Cleveland for one of those high picks. Dump Martin, Sims, Swaggy, Conte, Ayres, Dotson, EDS, Hawley and Sweezy on anyone that will take them, including BestBuy.
December 30th, 2017 at 1:00 pm
@Ian Beckles … ““I would like there to be some kind of an advisor to Jason Licht because it’s obvious that whoever is making these [free agent] picks, whether it’s Shelton Quarles or whoever it may be, they’re making mistakes on talent. We’re not that talented.”
Seriously? Beckles just threw Quarles under the bus. The only one “making mistakes on talent” is Jason Licht, the Architect of this Train Wreck. GMs get paid big $$$ AND have a sizable staff to do one primary thing: Stock the T-E-A-M with talent so that it can win games. They have several possible sources to do that: (1) the draft; (2) free agency; (3) trades; (4) other routes such as the waiver wire, raiding other teams practice squads, etc. I’d personally classify Licht’s batting average in the draft as probably slightly above average, when you consider not just the quality of the players being drafted, but also how well they focused on the team’s priority needs at the time. His free agency batting average is surely below average to this point; even you seem to admit that Joe. His trading prowess has been pretty much non-existent, and I personally don’t see where he’s picked up anyone using the ‘Other’ route (such as raiding practice squads).
All-in-all, Jason Licht not only gets a ‘C’ or a ‘D’ for overall job performance IMO, but he’s also hung a bunch of pretty decent coaches out to dry by failing to address this team’s biggest needs for several years.
December 30th, 2017 at 1:23 pm
Don’t mean to be mean, but think those of you talking about replacing Smith….just think…who in their right mind would come in with a GM and HC on life support, and risk their reputation and future on becoming a Bucs D coordinator? How stupid do you think these guys are? Wow.
December 30th, 2017 at 1:30 pm
^^^^ ive said that too…..good , bad or indifferent
the choice to keep koetter has its ripple effect……
your not gonna get a TOP D coordinator unless its from another team who surprisingly fires their staff like seattle
All of the people chanting down dale mabry that the coach returns didn’t think about that
Mike Smith probably stays too….you think koetter is gonna turn against the coach who hired him in Atlanta and worked with him in Jville
FOR LICHT….you have another thing coming LOL
December 30th, 2017 at 1:32 pm
some of the chucky haters celebrated to early ….dilly dilly
December 30th, 2017 at 1:38 pm
Quarles has a terrible track record as a director of pro personnel. [Quarles is not pro personnel director- Joe]. Spend the time yourselves to look over the transactions he’s approved. Piss poor at evaluating in house and league wide.
December 30th, 2017 at 1:40 pm
I’m offering my services to be an advisor to the Glazers this year. I don’t have to see the cap numbers…I don’t have to read the contracts…I don’t have to spend weeks with scouts, coaches and players. My advice? Here it is, very precisely distilled to these few words…
Give the fans a f’ing break and sell the team to an owner that knows something about football.
Thank you…thank you. My work is done.
December 30th, 2017 at 1:42 pm
Free advice at NO CHARGE.
December 30th, 2017 at 1:45 pm
Nate…but if they are a fired Top D coordinator, why wouldn’t the Bucs be among their LAST choice? No job stability and out again with another regime change in a year. And being fired twice in two years is definitely not something you want on your resume.
December 30th, 2017 at 1:51 pm
Just watch this board, especially for drafting! Luv and I and the Joes know some things and have a pretty good gut (well, other than Manziel… Joes lol)
December 30th, 2017 at 2:08 pm
How about Tmax?……he really seems to know his $hit….and just think of it……one piece of advice according to him will solve all of our problems.
If not Tmax…..how about running a JBF poll on potential FA pickups……that way, Jason would have the benefit of multiple advisors for free…..then if it turned out to be wrong, it would be on us.
December 30th, 2017 at 2:10 pm
Glazers, outside of V-Jax and D-Jax, what top level free agents have the team went after, they always go for the 2nd rate by design. They are trying to build their core through the draft. Think about it, they should’ve went after Grimes when he hit free agency the first time when they knew how good he was, because he would give the Bucs trouble.
December 30th, 2017 at 2:35 pm
Go get BOBBY HART. At the very least ask Jamis about his work ethic and ask him what kind of teammate is he.
December 30th, 2017 at 2:41 pm
Beckles is right about the Defensive talent though. I see 3..maybe 4 solid Defensive players. The rest are reserves. This team will not win until the Defensive ship is righted. Jameis can throw 400 yrds per game..a la Marino..It won’t mean a Deyeham thing yntil we get nasty and mean on defense. We willl continue to lose close games…thru the binoculars of Pressbox Smitty. And every yr, we will say…Man..we are so close. PITYFULL!
December 30th, 2017 at 2:41 pm
I agree, the Bucs need fresh eyes….at GM.
December 30th, 2017 at 2:52 pm
The Cleveland Browns has John Dorsey as GM. I would say that the Bucs are the WORST team in the NFL.
December 30th, 2017 at 2:53 pm
I don’t think it’ll matter for 2018 because the head coach sucks and after this horrible season no one will be attracted to this losing franchise again until they win or they over pay like usual. I don’t think it’s a good idea to spend big money in free agency anyway because I wouldn’t trust this coach enough to get anything out of them. Dirk koetter had to earn it. If it’s on the o line cool. Maybe they have to go big in free agency because this staff can’t develop anyone
Don’t know why people give so much credit to coaching up rookies who are just good. Does anyone really think Alvin kamara was developed?
December 30th, 2017 at 2:58 pm
Bobby Hart
http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2015/05/what_impressed_the_giants_the_most_about_bobby_har.html
December 30th, 2017 at 3:01 pm
Bobby Hart
https://www.bigblueview.com/2015/6/2/8689609/2015-nfl-draft-ny-giants-bobby-hart-guard-fsu-analysis
December 30th, 2017 at 3:14 pm
Um no on Hart….. doesnt look like a good fit, and their O line sucked….appears he has a bad attitude and was injury prone.
https://www.bigblueview.com/2017/12/30/16833572/ny-giants-moves-marc-ross-fired-bobby-hart-waived-news-rumors-gettleman
December 30th, 2017 at 3:29 pm
The kid was drafted as a 20 year old. He was a 5 star recruit. Does he need to mature? Yes. What 23 year old doesnt. He has 3 years of nfl experience under him. He is worth the risk. Besides he has played for Jaimis. He is under control for another year. It would be a very wise move having the kid come back home to Florida. Cearly you didnt read the first article i posted. He was a high character kid. Some experience happened in NY that changed him. The coaches were fired for a reason. Youre telling me thier problems were because of him? I don’t buy it.
December 30th, 2017 at 3:47 pm
I have no problem with Jason Licht. The problem with the Bucs is coaching. Jameis has to compensate too much for Koetter. We have seen what the talent can do. Put them in the right system and we win.
December 30th, 2017 at 3:49 pm
Bobby Hart
Just read it
http://seminoles.com/sports/football/roster/bobby-hart/
December 30th, 2017 at 4:07 pm
The Bucs year after year on defense sign 2nd and 3rd rate players and then they wonder why they keep busting. Last year it was Wilcox and Baker, both 2nd rate players signed to “cheap” deals – yet people pretended like these guys were day 1 starters. No, the Bucs took the cheap route to gamble on two guys who might have upside, but failed to show any. The year before that you had the same issue with Ayers, another guy who did nothing his entire career before having a few game hot streak and the Bucs got him on the “cheap” with predictable results.
Stop signing these 2nd rate guys and thinking they’re the solution. It’s fine if it’s a depth signing or if you just need to plug a hole, but the Bucs need more than someone to fill some holes, they need solid starters.
On the positive side the Bucs did sign Grimes, although how much of that had to do with Mike Smith? Also with Grimes able to walk, will he? He’s been solid this year and if he’s gone the Bucs are in serious trouble. Hopefully VH3 bounces back, but in any case he’s not a #1 corner.
December 30th, 2017 at 4:09 pm
It don’t matter who evaluate free agents, no decent free agent want to play for the Bucs. You really can’t blame them. Why pick the Bucs over the other 31 teams?
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franchise QB, no income tax, money, warmer weather
December 30th, 2017 at 4:38 pm
OVER-PAY them and they will come.
Don’t and the talented ones won’t come here.
remember Revis? Had he not been promised 1 million a game he would have denied or nixed his trade
December 30th, 2017 at 5:00 pm
@Marques, I never said their (coaching) problems were because of him. Dont put words in my mouth please. Look, maybe a scenery change could be whats needed for his attitude. Doesnt fix the injuries though. I dont know. If JW3 is pushing for him and we get him in the offseason just to see what happens, no harm in that. Everyone deserves a 2nd chance especially when they’re young.
December 30th, 2017 at 5:01 pm
If a consultant knows more that Licht hire him as the GM.
December 30th, 2017 at 5:32 pm
GM’s don’t need advisors! They understand one thing that fans do not…..These guys are what I would call throw aways! Teams PAY their own stars. They even pay their roll players. They won’t pay the lazy, trouble makers, locker room cancers, loafers, bullish!tters, weak, over the hill, complacent, lethargic, check cashers, coach killers, and especially over hyped and under performing players. Did I cover them all because the Bucs have had a bunch! Sorry Mr. Nickerson not you! To shorten this up teams do not get rid of good players for NO reason. They are ALL a HUGErisk.
December 30th, 2017 at 5:34 pm
ANY reason sorry
December 30th, 2017 at 5:51 pm
No state income tax, warm weather, Jameis Winston and the Bucs can only get 30+ year old bums in free agency. The old bums that’s looking for that big money that only the pathetic Bucs are willing to pay.
December 30th, 2017 at 6:00 pm
Clinton Mcdonald should have always started over baker. Spence was better than Baker cheap rand much younger. Licht has been bad in FA….but Fa is hit or miss throught the entire league. The draft is where gauge him along with contracts. Bucs have good yound talent and no cap issues.
Fix the defense fix the team and everyone will be happy
December 30th, 2017 at 6:46 pm
I would like there to be an in game advisor to dirk koetter. Oh wait you can fire and replace him instead
December 30th, 2017 at 7:28 pm
I like to believe a big part of the free agent blunders have been bad input from his HCs. Seems like a very valid assumption from his first two year when Lovie had final say……..Now Licht is the man in charge so I’m now sure how much sway Dirk has. But I don’t think Dirks input is anything good based on the one player we can look back and see that he openly campaigned for; Doug MARtin.
This is a big reason I wanted a new HC in town because I hoped it would be somebody who could help Licht evaluate player and improve our free agency moves. Sadly, with Licht and Dirk(assumption) having the most input about free agents I don’t see us getting any better in that area.
Yes, bring in somebody who can help Licht as an advisor.
December 30th, 2017 at 8:17 pm
@Mark2001 here’s free advice for you, shut it. What DC would wanna come here you ask? Probably one that’s outta work sitting on his a$$ not gettn paid
December 30th, 2017 at 8:23 pm
What if I told you that if you cut gmc and Djax this team becomes a playoff team overnight? As much as I’d like that too be true it’s not enough we also need a Right tackle a left guard and center. A new special teams coach, qb coach and wr coach but other than that we good oh and on oline coach.
New off coaches
3 new oline players
Cut Djax and gmc.
I promise you if gmc gets a 6th round pick we stole it.
December 30th, 2017 at 10:54 pm
SOEbuc Says: “it’s been hard to sign any free agents with those horribly ugly jerseys”. I agree. The Buccaneers management should be able to make a change and 2018 is supposed to be the year. How about changing the pewter brown to a dark almost black pewter with the old jersey numbers? That is all it would take. I bet every FA would be interested in moving to Tampa!
December 30th, 2017 at 11:04 pm
How bad is the O/D coaching? Probably not as bad as we think given that the personnel is the very bottom of the rung. We have 1 good O lineman and 1 satisfactory lineman. We have very good receiving corp. So good that we could get rid of Evans and pick up a couple super high draft choice. Pm the D, We have a VG corner that won’t be back. We have an all-pro Tackle that I would trade for pics. I think GM will be an all-pro anywhere he goes and he deserves to play for a ring. On the other hand, we need to go young and GM cannot help us in that department. We have a solid LB corp. That’s where this story ends. To sum it up, we need 8 on the D side and by my count 9 on the O side. You can only get there through the draft which would include trading the likes of JW/GM and ME. There is 6 high picks plus your normal draft position. In 2 years you could amass an arsenal of young talent. In 4 years you will be close to that super bowl. I realize I am getting rid of Talent?? However, if you wish to build a stud D, its the only way.
December 31st, 2017 at 4:08 am
I’m sorry, i’m just not going to be deceived into thinking anything other than the lack of a true, legit NFL pass-rusher is the reason this defense, and ultimately the entire team, has been so soft for so many years. Licht has built this team from the outside – in. When you do it completely backwards it takes longer for everything to manifest on the field. How many of us were trashing the Jags within the last 2 years? welp, all the while they were drafting a couple high round DE’s, signed Calais Campbell & Malik Jackson, traded for Dareus and finished it off with an elite level running back and corner.
For example, and I love the guy as much as everyone else, but he passed on Aaron Donald to draft Mike Evans. Two years later he passed on Tunsil to draft Hargreaves, RIGHT after we drafted a franchise qb. He did all that because he thought he bought himself time through the free agents he brought in. Completely backwards.
But he can still get it right. Draft Bradley Chubb and sign Zeke Ansah. Cut the dead weight like Baker, Martin and Ward, then trade Jackson.
Stockpile picks, arm the trenches, fire the cannons, repeat.
December 31st, 2017 at 3:53 pm
Well,let’s see, they have let the kicker for Atl. walk away and we all know the great kicker evaluations since. We got rid of Bennett who practically begged to stay, again great player evaluation. We cut the punt returner from lakewood, no improvement there either. I’m sure there are lots more but ya’ll get the drift. This has been the Bucs way since the culverhouse days. Nothing ever changes. 4-10 seems to be the Bucs way. Plus now we know the management never tried to get Gruden. They won’t make changes to improve or just plain don’t know hoe.