Did Jameis Save Koetter?

December 30th, 2017

“No need to pray Jameis. I’m back.”

Joe understands a group of Bucs fans are searching for Zoloft off the street this morning because Bucs coach Dirk Koetter is returning for the 2018 season.

Virtually everything that could go wrong for Koetter did go wrong for Koetter this season. Some things he very much could have controlled (his blind loyalty to Doug Martin being the most obvious example) and some things he had zero control over (hurricane-interrupted season, Jameis being injured and not having a reliable kicker to start the season).

Perhaps all of those uncontrollable elements (and others not cited here) were factored in when Team Glazer decided to retain Koetter for another season. This despite in the recent past, Team Glazer showed no mercy for coaches with losing seasons.

Joe has a strong idea that the play of America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston, played a huge part in Team Glazer’s call to bring back Koetter.

Let’s look at two years ago if you can, as Joe is certain many Bucs fans can’t remember past four months because it is as if Koetter’s 9-7 season never happened for these folks.

The main reason why Koetter was promoted to replace inept Lovie Smith was because of Jameis. Now Joe had heard whispers in the months afterwards that Jameis very much wanted Koetter to stick around. And Jameis wasn’t shy about telling folks this at One Buc Palace, so the whispers go.

For the first three months of this season, Jameis was at best average. Too often he was bad. Yes, he had the injured shoulder and yes, he should not have been playing with it (even if his studly game at Buffalo conned folks into believing the injury was no big deal).

Since Jameis has returned from the injury, the guy has been on fire (sans the fumbles). His numbers in December are right up there with some of the game’s best signal-callers.

Given the fact Jameis turned around his season so well, and the fact that when Koetter was hired, it was about Jameis and developing Jameis, Joe is fairly well sold that Jameis’ sizzling December convinced Team Glazer to slam the brakes on a potential coaching move.

95 Responses to “Did Jameis Save Koetter?”

  1. MadMax Says:

    Agreed.

  2. buddy Says:

    Team Glazer drops the ball again. Sticking with the guy who stabbed Lovie in the back. Koetter might be fired by midseason next year. How you think ticket sales are going to go?? How the heck do they expect those people in the sales dept to produce numbers when they give them a horrible product to sale?? THEY BETTER NOT RAISE TICKET PRICES!!!!!!!

  3. LifeOfABucFan Says:

    Zoloft? Heck, I got crack from Hillsborough and 15th!! Woohoo!!!I can get through the 2018 season now!!

    What Jameis wants, Jameis can mostly get, especially after having two good games…

  4. NFLNut Says:

    Perhaps the Glazers are smarter than people give them credit for … perhaps they are taking a long-term view of the team and they realize that Jameis has 17+- years ahead of them and his individual development is more important that anything else right now, and as he is obviously progressing nicely with Koetter as the coach, it makes sense to retain Koetter … at least for one more year.

    As for Jameis saving Koetter … I doubt he did so verbally but his play over the past month or so may have saved Dirk’s job indeed … Jameis made Jimbo’s reputation and just gave Dirk one more year to build his …

  5. Joe Says:

    Sticking with the guy who stabbed Lovie in the back.

    Lovie stabbed himself. It wasn’t Koetter’s defense that was getting roasted by the likes of Jeff Fisher, Ken Whisenhunt and seemingly every half-arsed backup quarterback in the league.

  6. Joe Says:

    perhaps they are taking a long-term view of the team and they realize that Jameis has 17+- years ahead of them and his individual development is more important that anything else right now,

    There is no player the Glazers have a bigger investment in than Jameis. None.

    Maybe, just maybe, the way he has played this month, perhaps Jameis has turned the proverbial corner? If so, Glazers don’t want to screw that up with a new coach.

  7. Eric Says:

    Sizziling…are you kidding? he’s lost all but two games and leads the league in fumbles. Still can’t throw a deep ball to save his life. I remember hearing how it was impossible for a quarterback to overthrow Desean yet he as done it multiple times and we are still waiting for that 1st deep ball connection between Desean and our BUM qb. Sizziling? lol
    Boy is it easy to decipher who wrote this ridiculous article. Great job LD!!

  8. Joe Says:

    Sizziling…are you kidding? he’s lost all but two games and leads the league in fumbles.

    There is a key phrase in the second-last paragraph you clearly missed or never read or willfully chose to ignore.

  9. Mark Says:

    Also no reliable kicker to end the season. Murray was a big factor at the end of the past two games.

  10. Buddy Says:

    Joe you’re outta youre damn mind if you don’t think Koetter went in and told Team Glazer he was the only coach who could coach Jameis and get the best out of him. How’s that worked out so far??

  11. Blumagic00 Says:

    And this is the right call indeed. Dirk would definitely find another hc job and get it right. Why not here? I’m so happy and it’s definitely good for everyone who is still on the team next season.

  12. Eric Says:

    [Twisting Joe’s words to try to prove a point is a Crime Against Joe and can get you run. Joe clearly, specifically wrote “December.” If (fixable) fumbles are that big of a concern, there are tons of unemployed quarterbacks on the street that will never, ever fumble the ball but good luck trying to get a first down on third-and-seven or worse. — Joe]

  13. nole4JabooANDdBucs Says:

    Yes, yes and yes.
    Like I said a few weeks ago ultimately it is the Blazers decision and it was a sound business move!
    It will turn around this year…more defeats or not the Bucs were one play away on the majority of their games. I believe the HC has had some growing pains he had to overcome too. 1. You prorect your QB…don’t leave him waving in the wind! 2. Play to win! He will put more stock in his franchise QB…they just were too close to winning to disrupt the offense. And in actuality the defense was missing some prime beef, so Mike needs to stick around, also. The defense was missing to many pieces, “baby can’t fly with one wing”

    And most of all, we need to keep Monken ‘the receiver whisperer’… I like that guy!

  14. Larry Says:

    If the Bucs are going to get better in 2018, Winston has to GROW UP, hang on to the football and keep his hands off women!!! (there is talk he may be suspended in 2018 for his latest indiscretions with the female UBER driver) If he can do these things, AND they get a really good edge rusher, better corner backs, a big time,1500 yard running back, and a 95% field goal kicker, they just might be an
    8 & 8 team again. Don’t look for them to make the super Bowl any time soon though. Dirk Koetter is a decent, average coach, but he is NOT a great coach!!

  15. nole4JabooANDdBucs Says:

    oops….Glazers…

  16. BrianBucs Says:

    Nobody knows what happened behind the scenes at One Buc. If Jameis’ performance the past couple of weeks were a factor in Koetter keeping his job then Koetter should get the credit. After working with Jameis for almost three full seasons he knows Jameis has problems with his accuracy, deep balls, staring down receivers, holding the ball too long, andoverthrowing mid-depth routes leading to INT’ s and being pressured into his so called bonehead plays. So to try to eliminate those weaknesses Koetter installed a short passing game for Jameis, almost making him a game manager. Throw short, safe passes to your guys and let them run, hit your checkdowns and dump the ball off. And so far it has worked even though the Bucs have only scored 40 points in the last two games. Now if he can just get rid of the fumbles. So if anybody saved Koetter’s job, it was probably Koetter

  17. Eric Says:

    39 in only 2 years with one game left and you know the Saints are gonna get at least two. Only one word for that PATHETIC!! All yards and few points, below league standards they say. Combine that with the turnovers and you have to be either insane or a Jameis jock sniffin FSU homer. There is a Pro FSU agenda going on here and it’s extremely obvious. I love coming to his site but this is making sick and I’m sure others feel the same way and see what I see. Maybe you just don’t care but I hope you do. Stop drinking the kool aid sheepel

  18. nole4JabooANDdBucs Says:

    Winston is growing up, one year at a time, like most other young men. Interceptions was the bigger issue he has been taking care of that. On Sunday’s game one fumble was on Joe during the snap, two others were while in a passing posture, of course protection can help that and the last one he fumbled and recovered. Now take a look at the other QB’s around the league NO ONE IS PERFECT…and he doesn’t fumble on purpose…as he said, he will work on it.

    Lastly who was in the car with him and the Uber driver? He is an easy target, that is why the gold post always moves against him.

  19. IsrBuc Says:

    All this nonsense with JW you could have thought we are on a 6 games 30+ ppg streak or something, like we have an offensive SYSTEM and not a qb running for his life, somehow completing high percentage of backfoot throws. Something like the bizzare frekish defensive play of last year, no1 in the nfl out of nowhere, that gave Koetter HIS 9-7 successful season, carrying his incompetent offense that cost us playoff birth.
    This is so narrow minded and dissapointing. At least take dome time and survey the options. Koetter does not deserve the free pass and JWs level of play shouldn’t have saved anyone’s job.

  20. Eric Says:

    I’m not being disrespectful Joe so sorry I offended you if I did, however I am a very passionate fan and I thought we can express our opinions without being run. From the outside looking in is looks like Winston can do no wrong. He needs to be held accountable and not glorified because it makes him think he does no wrong.

  21. nole4JabooANDdBucs Says:

    Eric …you are so good at analizing games, coaches and personnel!👏
    So what do you do for a living? I know you must be totally awesome!💪
    I hang on your every word!
    Go Bucs☠

  22. BrianBucs Says:

    Also, I wonder if the Glazers decided to bring back Koetter because Gruden told them No or wanted too much money?

  23. Joe Says:

    Koetter does not deserve the free pass

    Not sure Koetter is getting a free pass. His insistence on playing Doug Martin week after week is astounding. Soft training camp surely didn’t keep players fresh for the long haul which was the goal of having a soft training camp — look at all the injuries. Playing Jameis when he was hurt was dumb and cost the team games.

  24. Joe Says:

    Also, I wonder if the Glazers decided to bring back Koetter because Gruden told them No or wanted too much money?

    Not a crazy thought. But remember, if Alex Marvez’ report was true, that Chucky wanted to bring back Bruce Allen, as Joe wrote this morning, that should have been a deal-breaker right there.

  25. nole4JabooANDdBucs Says:

    Brianbucs you are a smart dude! Because every time I rematch the games I don’t see all the short passes you see, nor the deep balls to Godwin in stride, Evans about 3 times down field, but was penalties and the deep ball to Hump.

    Man I need to be a genius like you, man you are awesome🤗

  26. nole4JabooANDdBucs Says:

    Rewatch

  27. Eric Says:

    nole for jaboo. You are brainwashed so there is no point trying to reason with you. Deep down inside you know I’m right. Cant dispute facts but I know you will try.

  28. S of S Says:

    Joe says: Jamise has 17 years ahead of him,your joking right!!

  29. BrianBucs Says:

    Noleforjaboo

    Alex Smith occasionally goes downfield also

  30. Lamarcus Says:

    Eric
    You can’t be serious right now. JW can’t do no wrong? Have u read anything outside of joebucsfan positive about JW ??

    Other outlets blame Carr, Marriota, struggles to no run game , defense , and coaching. But trash JW

  31. DanBucsFan Says:

    We all have opinions.. Although some are hilarious. But, NONE of us are anything more than opinionated FANS. And quite frankly none of us should feel we know anything more than the other FAN as we all are allowed to have different opinions. And hopefully we all realize that NONE OF US even the 30yr fans are more qualified than the next, I mean really…nobody who comments on here will ever be hired as a scout, coach, gm, or probably even a beat writer anytime soon. So I chose_ to embrace the people who are put in positions to lead our team from coaches to players etc…even when i get upset with how team performs. Ultimately Im gonna support my team through good and bad times. Go Bucs !!! But wouldn’t be to upset with a loss tomorrow ( better draft pick ) and next year WE ALL WILL BE PUMPED N READY TO SPEAK SOFTLY & CARRY A BIG STICK !

  32. Doctor_berto Says:

    Still not putting it into the end zone due to terrible playcalling and personnel decisions. Should not have been brought back.

  33. Alaskan Abdominal Snowman Says:

    Danbucsfan

    Well said. Flub for Chubb.

  34. Bucssuccs Says:

    I wonder if Saquon Barkley falls into our lap this draft but Licht doesn’t pull the trigger? Understandably there’s more holes to take care of, but Licht can not afford to whiff on an veteran running that’s either washed or product of a good system. On the other hand, our biggest off season needs are O-line, D-line, RB, QB, and CB. (The only reason why QB is on here is because would we really want to sign Fitzpatrick again? I’d rather take a undrafted QB and trim him). Bottom line is that it’s probably unlikely Licht won’t come back in 2 seasons because there’s too much holes to fill in such a short time. But who knows?

  35. The Anomaly Says:

    Huge mistakes this year:

    Return of Druggie Martin
    Not signing Calais Campbell
    Desean Jackson
    Baked Potato
    No OL or DL
    The GM should be escorted off OBP.

    The Glazers suck.

  36. Eat me a W nom nom nom Says:

    Contract year for Jameis. Can’t help but feel that his & Dirks’ futures are entwined.

  37. IsrBuc Says:

    Alright then- so why accept this move like there’se some sense behind it? Continuity? Of what? Bad with or without weapons for winston? Sticking with a 2 ypc rb? Bad clock management? Qb regression? Why is this an ok move? Why koetter gets a pass over mike smith when every excuse you put on koetter you can find double for smith? No pass rushers, thin on corners, vh3 a bust maybe, middle linebacker with a hammy etc. But everyone says keep koetter and fire smith. Why? If not for smith both are gone last year already.

  38. NFLNut Says:

    ******************

    If BOTH Bradley Chubb AND Saquon Barkley are on the board when the Bucs pick, I would LOVE to hear THAT discussion.

    Chubb is obviously the bigger need, but man, passing on Saquon could get Licht fired as that could is considered a “perfect prospect” and a better RB prospect than Zeke, Gurley and even Adrian Peterson … I mean if Chubb is going to be Reggie White, fine, but if his absolute max ceiling is Simeon Rice and Saquon’s is “Marshall Faulk with more power”, I think you have to take Saquon …

    Personally … I expect the Bucs to lose Sunday and the Texans to beat the Colts which would mean we will get the #4 seed … and I really think the top 3 picks will all be QBs (White Jameis aka Sam Darnold to the Browns, Josh Rosen to the Giants and Josh Allen #3 to whoever trades up with the Colts, be it the Jets, Broncos, Cardinals, Dolphins or Bills), so I do expect Chubb AND Saquon to be on the board when the Bucs pick … wow.

    ******************

  39. Larrywoods3 Says:

    maybe just maybe the Glazers don’t want to be on the hook for the salaries of three yeah three head coaches smh. Maybe just maybe doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results is the epitome of insanity and they are trying something different. Maybe they told Dirk the only way he comes back is to give up playcalling and changes on the defensive side of the ball. But hey what do I know, I’m just a Fan in Afghanistan.

  40. Destinjohnny Says:

    could all this be a negotiation ploy to get Jon to take less?

  41. passthebuc Says:

    Bad ingredients = bad product.

  42. passthebuc Says:

    If the Glazers decision does not change their bottom line, they have no reason to change anything. The NFL is a business, not a sport. The Glazers look at ROI and if keeping the current staff has no negative effect on the ROI, why rock the boat.
    The players are not much different. I’ll bust my ass to prove my worth and after that big contract, I’ll relax for a few years. No sense risking life and limb. Unless there is an organization that emphasizes’s pride, the result is just mediocrity.
    And the Buc’s are as mediocre as they get.

  43. passthebuc Says:

    If Jameis has 17 years ahead of him, I think I’ll watch the Browns. With nothing invested, it will be a better laugh.
    or
    Since I moved here from the San Francisco area and was a 49er fan, I go back to watch them. With Lynch at the helm, they will be the next Patriots.

  44. Defense Rules Says:

    @Joe … “Yes, he had the injured shoulder and yes, he should not have been playing with it (even if his studly game at Buffalo conned folks into believing the injury was no big deal).” Interesting that after Jameis was hurt mid-October in the Cardinals’ game, several of us JBF commenters were calling for Fitz to start & for Jameis to sit for several games to let the shoulder heal properly.

    Yet Koetter continued to play Jameis … for 4 more weeks (and 4 more losses). Seems like the Joes & lots of others supported that because Jameis was cleared by the medical staff to play & thus Dirk had no choice but to play him. Now all of a sudden we were all “conned into believing the injury was no big deal” and he “shouldn’t have been playing”? Conned by who? The medical staff? Koetter? Jameis? Oh wait, I forgot about Scapegoat Smitty. Yup, conned by Smitty? Got it.

  45. Since76 Says:

    “Since Jameis returned from the injury, the guy has been on fire (sans the fumbles).” Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?

    Why does Joe keep referring to last year’s 9-7 record like it was Don Shula’s perfect ‘72 season? Exactly how exciting is being one game above .500 and missing the playoffs? Nice, but it should not buy nearly so much of a honeymoon.

  46. The Buc Realist Says:

    The “real” reason just might be that Fitz saved the Job!!!! Who went 2-1 in JW3 absence!!!!!!!!

    Go Bucs!!!!!!!!

  47. Jman Says:

    Whatever he does between the the sidelines doesn’t change the fact that he’s an immature scum bag outside of them. Have fun with your frequent Winston meltdowns. What an asshole

  48. The Buc Realist Says:

    And that the effort on the field was the real reason!!!!! People in the know watch this team and see the deficiency and the holes as well as the injuries and can easily see why this team is not winning as it will when the roster gets fixed!!!!!!!!

    The team has nothing to play for right now, yet they are playing hard, we now know the answer to why!!!!!!!

    Go Bucs!!!!!!

  49. adam from ny Says:

    gruden will take over after jameis’ potential suspension…until then the job isn’t too inviting for he and any coveted staffers…so we will have a lame duck coach, a qb who thinks he’s trump and a deflated stadium and fanbase…watch the bucs come flying out the gate next year a really monkeywrench all the gru-gang plans up

  50. adam from ny Says:

    and really monkeywrench***

  51. darin Says:

    Realist
    Get real. People who know football know why this team sucks. Plus every close game was thrown away with bad clock management, playing the wrong rb, not calling enough runs, etc etc. Stoooopid mistakes. Lovie smith was a far superior hc than dirk. As much as i wanted him gone he knows basic stuff. I cant believe theyre keeping dirk. There has to be stipulations. He must be giving up playcalling to concentrate on basic head coaching responsibilities. Dc has gota go. Goodness this sucks. Here we go again. Lets skip training camp and get ready for 4-12 next year. I wont be wasting my money on that product. Booooooooooooo glazers.

  52. The Buc Realist Says:

    @darin

    Don’t worry, fake fans like you that clap when they win and boo and want to fire everyone and everything are very easy to replace!!!!!!

    Your plan of just having Head Coach Koetter talk at press conferences and to install 2 new systems and 2 new play-callers is a recipe for disaster!!!! Or maybe that is what you are looking for!!!!!!!

    The “Real” fans are looking to fix the real problems ( the trenches )!!!!!!! to ensure the quickest and straight forward way to get the Bucs back to a consistent winning team!!!!!!!!!

    And darin its 6:57am, that means I just told you what time it is!!!!! Twice!!!!!

    Go Bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  53. Conte Piscatelli Says:

    Maybe, the reason Dirk has been retained is because the Glazers talked to Gruden and he told them he really wants to wait till his last kid goes to college. So the Glazers decided not to pay another further coach for what is essentially a dead season only to hire Gruden next year.

  54. Buc50 Says:

    So many Lovie fans here. Just so we can keep score, Lovie has to replace 8 scholarship players who have jumped ship since the end of the season. Lovie flat out sucks and even his players can see it.

  55. lightningbuc Says:

    This franchise is arguably one of the 5 worst run in all of professional sports. Nothing will change as long as the Glazer boobs are running this team. They have no idea WTF they are doing. This team has been on a downward spiral since Malcolm got sick. Malcolm built the family business, Malcolm built the Bucs franchise. Unfortunately, Malcolm had dopes for sons.

  56. mark2001 Says:

    Can Jameis save himself, is the question?

  57. Buc4life Says:

    As a season ticket holder since 1999 I am very disappointed and actually cancelled my tickets midseason. After having so much hope for this season, I completely gave up on them, but think things could change with a new DC and some defensive players. I like how Jameis has looked the last 4 games and hope they build on it. I think the DE Arden Key from LSU would be a good start.

  58. mark2001 Says:

    Buc50.. so on what basis do you have to believe that Koetter is any better than Lovie? Just saying.

  59. mark2001 Says:

    But for one year in forty, when hasn’t this team been the face of failure? And that all stems from poor decisions. Par for the course… what else should anyone really expect?

  60. Bird Says:

    Bruce Allen may have been deal breaker if all true.

    More likely gruden balked at last minute. Just don’t see how glazers wouldn’t accommodate Gruden becoming next buc coach. Could gruden have changed mind with potential Jameis suspension looming for X amount of games next year. Maybe he had change of heart with staying home one more year as son will be a senior in high school. He wanted some more groceries on the defensive side to come back next year.

    Let’s face it. Gruden wants to come back. But with the money he is making , he wants to come back to a good situation. Not Cleveland south.

    We should know pretty quick if gruden balked. If he doesn’t coach another team , that is the reason. Not that the glazers have confidence on koetter. Although I like koetter But he needs to make changes. Running back in draft and new defensive scheme/ coordinator would be good start. Monken more involved with offense.

  61. ncbucfanhere Says:

    @NFLNut. I like your perspective on the draft with chubb and barkley being available. And the “White jameis” reference to Sam Darnold is spot on and had me dying laughing.

  62. Jman Says:

    NO Barkley, offensive and defensive line.. all draft and a backup qb

  63. mark2001 Says:

    Oh man…great…the two coaches we used to beat like a drum when they were in Atlanta are now going to lead to the playoffs and the SB. What were we thinking?

  64. mark2001 Says:

    Ahh the draft…A dream goes on forever.

  65. Ndog Says:

    I love all you guys ripping Jameis it makes it easier to know which commenters are clueless.

  66. mark2001 Says:

    Ndog…no foothold in reality….just another example.

    And consider this…ATL, NO, and Carolina are going to pick kickers in the first and second round, we will draft two or three future HOF players, and the SB is within our reach in a few years….oh yeah…and Koetter will be the next Vince Lombardi.

    Life in the Bucs universe. A dream goes on forever.

  67. lightningbuc Says:

    Ndog Says:
    December 30th, 2017 at 9:00 am
    I love all you guys ripping Jameis it makes it easier to know which commenters are clueless.

    _______________________

    Yeah, cuz all Jaboo does is eat W’s right? If eating W’s are Jaboo’s diet, he’ll starve to death very soon.

  68. mark2001 Says:

    He is a kid….and will mature. In the mean time the former ATL coaches that we used to beat like a drum will continue to lead the Bucs to….nowhere.

  69. Jlbucs Says:

    Jameis racks up stats against loose zone defenses when the game is out of reach. Im sick of hearing about his stats. The next time he dominates the first quarter and gives us a lead will be the first.

    Maybe we could generate a pass rush if we made a team one dimensional by forcing them to be aggressive in the passing since said team was playing from behind.

  70. S of S Says:

    I don’t see what is so special about JW he has some good stats (yards/Td),stats don’t mean jack shiit!

  71. Draftqbwithsecondpick Says:

    Jameis needs to save himself. He is facing a six game suspension next year in which he should have manned up and taken it his year to get it out of the way. But of course he is an “I” guy and that is to me expected.

  72. BuccaneEric75 Says:

    Once again we have too many needs to fix in one draft. 2 DEs, RB, CB, OL. Every year we’re 2 drafts away. I say just beef up both lines. Yes, Winston was injured and our running game was worse than my golf game (if I played golf), but the main reason we suck is that both our lines get man handled every game. Just beef up the lines in the draft. Our RBs would look better, Winston would have more time and our CBs wouldn’t have to cover as long. Barkley might be special, but is our OL capable of letting him show his talent? I gotta roll with who we pick, but our lines are the biggest problem, especially the D line.

  73. mark2001 Says:

    Eric…while NO, Carolina and Atlanta will be filling the fewer holes that they have. But we will grind them into the dirt….as half these newbies predict on a yearly basis.

  74. BuccaneEric75 Says:

    Jlbucs, I don’t know what games your watching, but in our last 4 games we lost 3 games by 3 points and 1 game by 6. Those are hardly games out of reach. Winston does need to be better in the first quarter, you’re right about that, but this season he has had his least amount of garbage time stats, IMO. In all of the games where Winston played the whole game we were only out of the game twice. Hardly a garbage time season.

  75. BuccaneEric75 Says:

    mark2001, I hear ya!

  76. mark2001 Says:

    Eric…did you see Cleveland kicking GB’s A a few weeks ago? But they folded, as did we. Good organizations find ways to win, bad ones to lose. This is a bad organization, with a few excellent players.

  77. BuccaneEric75 Says:

    Mark, there’s been a lot of bad teams that jump out to a lead only to lose at the end. The good teams find a way to pull it out, or is it that the bad teams find a was to lose? Either way we’re in that boat. Just like the “you like that” game or the Seattle game a few years ago.

  78. Cobraboy Says:

    Koetter is lucky that there will be a large number of head coach vacancies and not a huge pool of potential talented candidates.

    Unless Gruden chose to come back and did a deal with the Glazers, there is not a high probability that the team could have improved at HC.

    But Smith? That’s a whole different subject.

  79. Buc50 Says:

    @mark2001 He certainly isn’t as loyal to “his” players as Lovie is or was. His unit (offense) performs at an NFL level, something Lovie can’t say. Lovie’s college team can’t even perform at a college level.

  80. mark2001 Says:

    Buc50… my youngest is at UW Madison…so I pay attention to the Big Ten…and yes, you are correct. Lovie has the worst team in the Big Ten, has had a half dozen transfers out this year, and had the worst open signing day in the entire Big Ten. So he seems a short timer at U of I.

  81. Buc50 Says:

    mark2001 congrats to you as a parent of a college kid. No matter what school they attend, it makes everything else not matter.

  82. mark2001 Says:

    Genetics and Life Science Communications double major. Better academic work ethic than his ISU MBA dad. Thanks. On Wisconsin.

  83. not there yet Says:

    Yeah he saved his job and he’ll be cut no space whatsoever next year because he wanted this so if he’s still fumbling and not playing like he had these last two games it’ll be 100% on him in my eyes

  84. Jlbucs Says:

    Eric- that’s exactly what im talking about. He brings us back late and makes the final score close, but the reality is we trailed the majority of games and quarters. A good QB comes out firing in the first quarter and puts the pressure on the other team. He has always been a slow starter starter even as a nole.

  85. mark2001 Says:

    Stop being so negative, boys. Time to eat a “W”.

  86. Nate Says:

    “turned around the season so well”

    NOT played better even……

    right we just got SO many touchdowns in games we needed it and not FIELD GOALS in those losses down the strecth

  87. BuccaneEric75 Says:

    Jlbucs, he didn’t bring us back. Those games were close the entire time. That’s what I’m saying. Those stats weren’t when we were down 20. Most weren’t garbage time. Down by 10 or less in the second half isn’t garbage time.

  88. Nate Says:

    the injuries piled up when the season was about done…..so sick of the excuses with this team and enablers

    next year NO EXCUSES

  89. Lakeland Says:

    Dirk Koetter was retained because no SANE person would come and coach this pathetic team.

  90. Tony from Los Angeles Says:

    BREAKING NEWS:

    “Eric” has surged into the lead for the most ignorant Bucs fan on this site. It was close but then he dropped the FSU conspiracy bomb and left his competitors in the dust.

    Congrats, Eric!

  91. Jlbucs Says:

    Eric – here are his stats for this year. For the heck of it lets compare him to matt ryan.

    Jw – 62.3 completion rate and 87.2 in first half. 2nd half he improves to 67.9 comp rate and 107 rating.

    MR – 64.4 comp 90.8 rating in the first and 65.5 comp and 92.2 rating.

    It might not have all been garbage time stats but the disparity in his play in the first half vs second is terrible.

  92. BuccaneEric75 Says:

    Jlbucs, at least we are talking about 1st half stats. I’d rather grind it out in the first half and know we have a QB that’s not afraid to take it in the second half. If you are a LeBron fan you know all about putting up 25 in the first half and not coming up big in the second. We COULD have that problem, you know. At least Winston balls out in the second half, but I guess that’s all garbage time if we lose, even by 3.

  93. BigHogHaynes Says:

    Oooo this stinks to the high heavens…what pray tell did anyone see that was even close to err even being competitive at times on the field!, my blood is boiling, what the [email protected]! I’m mad as hell, Coach K should finish the season but he should have been given his walking papers 4 weeks ago!! Nothing absolutely Nothing will change in the off season… Not in the draft …Not in training camp….Not when the season starts! Yes it’s well known how I feel…and one other thing J W don’t need Coach K for Nothing! WE SHOULD HAVE CLEANED HOUSE…. Remember my words while watching the first game lose in 2018! TAKE A KNEE …KEEP AMERICA FREE!!!

  94. chickster Says:

    were in for another bad season f the glazers

  95. FuNkYxMuNkEy Says:

    Between Chubb and Barkley to me is a no brainer. We can get a top RB in round 2. Good luck getting the same level on DE there. Take Chubb then your RB and grab OLine and secondary after that.

    We have a ton of money to spend on the right free agents and hopefully a top5 pick in each round. We have a chance to become truly great this off-season. Whether we do or not is a different story