“In This Situation Jameis Winston Will Receive No Benefit Of The Doubt”
November 22nd, 2017
Feels for Jameis.
It appears Shannon Sharpe feels for Jameis Winston.
The Bucs quarterback found himself in the middle of an ugly allegation by a female Uber driver in Arizona claiming last week that Jameis, some 20 months ago, grabbed her in her private area.
Jameis released a statement vehemently denying this and Eagles cornerback Ronald Darby vouched for Jameis. Just two days after the initial report by Buzzfeed in which the woman, identified only as “Kate,” claimed it wasn’t about the money, she lawyered up with a counselor notorious for being all about the money.
Naturally, this news has been all over the national gabfests on sports TV networks and “Undisputed” was no different. Sharpe co-hosts the weekday program seen on FS1 along with Skip Bayless and weighed in on the topic.
Sharpe seemed very depressed and genuinely worried about Jameis. Part of this may be Sharpe himself went through a legal hassle with a woman, and Sharpe, in his soliloquy about Jameis, admitted that changed his life and Jameis should do the same.
“In this situation, Jameis Winston will receive no benefit of the doubt,” Sharpe said. “He will have to go 10 miles to prove that he is one-mile innocent. I would have hoped Jameis could have avoided this but maybe there was nothing he could have done. We have a he-he said vs. a she said.”
The “he-he said” Sharpe referred to was Jameis and Darby’s accounts of what happened.
“This is the last thing the NFL needed after the [Ezekiel Elliott] fiasco,” Sharpe continued. “Now, he-he said vs. she said and Jameis is not going to get the benefit of the doubt because of what happened in 2012. It is not hard for people to leap to say, ‘See, I could see this happening.’ And that is very, very unfortunate.
“I had to learn the hard way but I learned. I don’t ride the elevator. When women come to my room, I put the trash can in the door so the door is cracked. A female servant comes to my hotel room; I take the tray at the door. Shannon Sharpe will never, ever put himself in that situation again and I just hate it because everybody will leap to that conclusion [with Jameis].”
Sharpe stopped just short of saying Jameis is a target for unseemly characters looking to make a fast buck. Because of that, Sharpe suggested, Jameis has to be keenly aware to insulate himself.
Sharpe also said, in part thanks to Ray Rice, the NFL has “gotten into the criminal justice business” which is not what the NFL is all about. As a result, Sharpe is concerned what NFL strongman Roger Goodell might do to Jameis since the alleged victim never filed a police report.
The way Joe looks at this, there is virtually no way Jameis can come out of this unscathed in some way.
November 22nd, 2017 at 7:43 am
BuzzFeed, huh?
November 22nd, 2017 at 7:49 am
Judge Roy Moore source anonymous -BuzzFeed
Charlie Rose, see above.
Al Franken, same deal.
Jameis Winston. Seeing a trend here?
I’m I the only one suspicious of all these accusations originating from one site?
And now comes some very spurious charges laid by BuzzFeed. Hmm….
November 22nd, 2017 at 7:49 am
And our #1 celebrity fan(lol) Nick Carter is accused rape. Who’s next? Bucco Bruce?
November 22nd, 2017 at 8:00 am
Shannon is right. Jameis should adopt the Mike Pence rule when it comes to women.
Its a good policy for anyone in this day and age. There’s a lot of haters out there, no matter your race, sex, religion, political affiliation, and basically any demographic. People love being a part of lynch mobs and pitch fork mobs. CYA, No one else is gonna!!
November 22nd, 2017 at 8:12 am
Rather it be for a single event or long-term arrangement.
This is why you hire a reputable personal security company.
November 22nd, 2017 at 8:30 am
JimBuc2
Buzzfeed only reported the Winston story.
WaPo reported Moore, nothing anonymous about it. Accusers are public.
Al Franken was by the New Yorker. No anonymous accusers
Charlie Rose wasn’t by Buzzfeed. No anonymous accusers until this morning 3 cbs staffers.
Stop making up nonsense. You are way off about a single source being Buzzfeed.
November 22nd, 2017 at 8:35 am
James stands to earn a minimum of 50 million over the next 5 years. He is a living breathing walking lawsuit, waiting to happen. If he is smart, he’ll hire a personal driver/bodyguard to travel with him where ever he goes.
November 22nd, 2017 at 8:43 am
Uh Jimbuc, Rose and Franken admitted it was true so your statement is ridiculous!
November 22nd, 2017 at 8:45 am
[Accusing any Bucs player of being “guilty” of a crime when he was never charged will get you run. — Joe]
November 22nd, 2017 at 8:48 am
[Accusing any Bucs player of being a “criminal” when he never spent a night in jail will get you run. — Joe]
November 22nd, 2017 at 8:50 am
I honestly think Winston took all the precautionary measures to avoid a situation like this as Shannon suggested….maybe there was nothing he could do….
I don’t think he should live in hiding a the rest of his life but he does need to much sure he takes extra steps when he’s around women so this cant happen again….
but if it comes out that there was more than 1 passenger in the car, jameis should either make her do a public PC admitting that she lied and Winston had no contact with her at all or press charges and make sure she serves serious jail time…..GO BUCS!!!!
November 22nd, 2017 at 8:51 am
Seems to me that Uber Has been fined in Colorado [8.9 million] Had their clients info hacked and paid 100 K to cover up! they need to clean up their own back yard. before pointing fingers at others.Even though with todays social media people are tried and pronounced guilty without a fair hearing.
November 22nd, 2017 at 8:52 am
Supersam Says:
November 22nd, 2017 at 8:45 am
Everyone knows he’s guilty,
STOP HATING!!!!…INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY!!!!!…..GO BUCS!!!!
November 22nd, 2017 at 9:07 am
This is the FINAL NAIL in Jason Lichts coffin…
He took the “risk” and now, guilty or not…this fiasco is the last thing the Glazer Stooges needed…Licht will pay…rightfully so.
November 22nd, 2017 at 9:20 am
I still don’t believe Winston committed the alleged crime. And I HOPE he didn’t put Darby up to saying he was in the car with Winston. I don’t think he did but would not be surprised if Darby threw that statement out there.
How many people were really in the car? I don’t know. But I also don’t think it’s a suspicious coincidence that Darby just happened to be there this time around after the Kinsman thing. That is, friends do hang out over time (but maybe Jameis needs some new friends).
If Jameis is lying about the number of people in the car (and I don’t believe his yet), then it’s as bad as the offense. But I need to seem Jameis or someone else identify that third person. I would also like to see the Uber report filed by the driver to assess how certain (or not) the driver was it as Jameis who did anything (“I think” or “it looked like” or “may be” wouldn’t fly with me).
All that said, Jameis Winston has still lost big trust with his organization IF he didn’t report the incident. And if he is maintaining with the Bucs there were three passengers but hasn’t confessed it to them, it means his loyalties lie ELSEWHERE. It also makes his contention of three suspicious.
Given the current allegations along with his past and the great lengths the Bucs owners went through in vetting him as number one overall, we still cannot blame the owners for moving on as is. After all, this isn’t a starting DE or CB who got a DUI or had a domestic quarrel with his wife. This this is the QB team captain franchise QB who is the face of the Bucs. While I never rushed to judgment with Winston on the Kinsman allegations, I was down on drafting him over someone else (I didn’t think Mariota was good fit for our style of offense and fan base) because of the dark cloud following him around before he ever left FSU. And now that dark cloud is raining again.
November 22nd, 2017 at 9:20 am
I disagree Joe, I think there is a way he comes out unscathed and if it’s confirned there were three passengers in the vehicle. Woman caught in flat out lie, obvious attempt at money grab. NFL makes a statement that there is nothing here and we move on.
November 22nd, 2017 at 9:35 am
Sharpe has lost all credibility a while ago
November 22nd, 2017 at 9:38 am
THIS DIDN’T HAVE TO HAPPEN!!!
Spare me any righteous indignation for poor Jameis!!! Nobody forced him to jump on a table and yell FHITP..it wasn’t JUST the rape charge that loaded Jameis with baggage…it was a SERIES of events demonstrating poor judgement.
What is wrong with the management of the Bucs. Do you all forget all of the controversy around the Buc’s choice. People lining up on both sides…Jameis HAS an EARNED reputation. Perhaps he’s outgrown it but his judgement is still horrid.
First..what’s with the Bucs…I would have inserted a sheet with rules for Jameis before signing him….1.) You are not allowed to be out in public partying with alcohol without first clearing it with the team!!!! The team should have obviously been far more proactive in managing #3 off the field as well as on.
Second. Jameis made this far worse!!! If he did what he an every rookie coming into the league was told he would have immediately reported this to the team!!! They send their lawyers and investigators to Arizona.
The driver has unequivocally claimed ONE person was in the car. That would have made this sooooo easy…IF Jameis is correct and there was more than one person in the car. The attorney and investigators could have cleared this up within a month or less….simply find out who was in the car!!!
Then a quick press conference pointing out her inconsistencies…it’s over…more than a year ago.
This should’t be going on at all….unless of course Jameis actually did this. If undisputed truth comes out that he was in this car by himself…cut bait…if indeed there were three in the car…Jameis…coached by the team…does a press conference and points out there is a huge difference between accusations and something that may appear wrong but he has learned his lesson and will not be in that situation again like Shannon Sharpe…Ray Lewis and others who learned.
November 22nd, 2017 at 9:41 am
Supersam by reading your comments i truly feel an underlying hatered for Jameis. And I don’t think it’s Football related. This kid (Jameis) is a target and he will always be a target. Everyone forgets about all the good things he’s done not just in his community but in ours. This accuser will get paid to go away and to me it’s not an admission of guilt. It’s the have nots taking from the haves. This is our society nowadays.its funny how the accuser hired the same attorney that his previous accuser hired. Ignorance has blinded men through out history Supersam. See past your own ignorance. Happy holidays.. go bucs
November 22nd, 2017 at 9:43 am
“Nothing he could have done”
I’m not saying Jameis did this but here are some option
Request a male driver
Use a private car service
Sit in the back seat (if he didn’t)
If with friends….choose better friends for a 2am trip
Report this to the Bucs immediately (if he didn’t)
Get his attorney’s/PR people involved immediately (if he didn’t)
Sharpe went on to say that Jameis should insulate himself….he didn’t.
Sure all this isn’t fair….but you have a reputation & lots of dollars to protect
November 22nd, 2017 at 9:54 am
BTW
In a related story Uber is being ripped and potentially sued because of a data breach where 50,000 of their customers had their info hacked and released.
They’ve replaced their CEO…they’ve now fired their Chief of Security.
They may not be able to help in the investigation and their info is now lacking credibility anyway. Hope there is another way to determine how many were in that car!
@grt
It’s the have nots taking from the haves.
Are you freaking serious? The top 1% of the US possess 50% of all the wealth!!!! The top 5% possess 62%!!!
The bottom 40% of this society possess LESS THAN 1% of the wealth.
And yet we still hear crap like this…the takers are doing a miserable job of taking from the makers!!!! Is this really the balance we think is fair or desirable.
Meanwhile the R Congress is ready to push even more of that wealth to the top 1% with a horrid tax cut giveaway to who…the RICH!!! Wake up and smell the freaking coffee guys and figure out who is on your side!!! Hint….it’s not the “makers”.
November 22nd, 2017 at 9:59 am
I find it quite interesting that up to this point we have heard absolutely nothing from some of the folks that always promote and defend Jameis, like Jason Licht and his #1 mentor Derrick Brooks. I wonder what they know that we dont?
Innocent or guilty, the Bucs and Jameis’ people have not handled this situation very well. I would love to be a fly on the wall at One Buc and hear everything that’s going on behind the scenes. I bet you could cut the tension in the air with a knife. You know the PR dept. Is in major damage control mode.
November 22nd, 2017 at 10:11 am
You know…there really is a simple solution no one here has thought of.
Most drive thru’s these days have video pointed at the cars in case of robbery. Someone just needs to get ahold of that video. It will not only show whether there were other people were in the car, and since the camera’s are usually pointed at the driver, if there really was any touching, it would have been caught on camera.
It’s that simple.
It’s not that simple at all. Hey, maybe they got in the drive-thru line then two guys got out to take a leak and Jameis or another guy was alone in the car with the driver. There are many hypotheticals. –Joe
November 22nd, 2017 at 10:18 am
As far as settling…you guys have to understand. Guilty or Innocent, the NFL, the Buccaneers, his Agent, and the players around him are all pushing him to settle.
Why? Because:
1. The NFL has to worry about image.
2. The Buccaneers have to worry about image…and getting Jameis back as quickly as possible if he is suspended.
3. The players are taught to put this stuff in the rear view mirror as quickly as possible.
So judging him if he settles really isn’t fair. Consider all these companies like McDonalds and such who settle when sued, even if they did nothing wrong. That makes them no more guilty, so why would it make Jameis more guilty?
Admit it…even though he had never been convicted of a crime…civil court wise is completely unpredictable. He could fight it, but what are the odds someone on the jury hasn’t developed an opinion about the rape accusation and would feel this might be the only way he suffers for it?
Too risky.
So I get why he would settle, and I would not judge him for it.
But I, personally? I would risk it because I have a lot less to lose. Van’t squeeze blood from a turnip.
November 22nd, 2017 at 10:19 am
Wouldn’t Darby have mentioned that, Joe?
Look, we have no idea if he was even there. We know nothing other than the basic info. Anything else is speculation and uncorroborated. Jameis was in the car and a complaint was filed quickly. Everyone agrees on that. From there, it’s all unclear.–Joe
November 22nd, 2017 at 10:20 am
And besides, the camera would have caught the hand reaching over to feel her up.
November 22nd, 2017 at 10:33 am
Agree with Joe….it’s not that simple.
First of all, there is no criminal investigation and there won’t be one (statute in Az has run)
There is yet to be a civil suit filed (2 year statute in AZ)
Absent these, there is no authority that can subpoena phones or footage.
And, the NFL also has no subpoena authority. They must rely on the cooperation of parties.
But footage(if it can be obtained and exists) is a good idea and may be helpful.
This process needs to be expedited by Jameis….he is the only one that can speed it along.
November 22nd, 2017 at 10:34 am
I said that on this blog days ago. SS is reading your blog Joe!
November 22nd, 2017 at 10:40 am
If Jameis survives this, not only should he hire a personal driver but also someone with a video camera recording everything he does when he is out in public.
November 22nd, 2017 at 10:45 am
He could have taken a private driving service (not Uber). You know the kind, very professional where a dude (or woman) in a suit rolls up in a Lincoln.
They are not that much more expensive and Jameis and/or Darby can afford it. It’s money well spent given the circumstances.
November 22nd, 2017 at 10:46 am
Ding.
November 22nd, 2017 at 10:49 am
settling would be the worse thing to do if your innocent…..settling means I MAY have done something wrong…..screw that!!!!….if im innocent, im fighting to clear my name with every dime I have…..
if you fight and win, that’s all people will remember….Winston being innocent and the girl being a liar!!!!!….GO BUCS!!!
November 22nd, 2017 at 10:55 am
@Buccaneer Bonzai Conceptually I agree with you. But reality is that it’s pretty unlikely a fast food restaurant video security systems would store 2-yrs. worth of footage. That’s even more of a reason why JW should have brought this to the team’s attention when Uber first canceled his account.
November 22nd, 2017 at 10:55 am
Bonzai, I agree, there really is a simple solution to this ridiculous situation. A very wise man once called it … “The truth shall set you free”. If Jameis & Darby are telling the truth & they were in the backseat & didn’t touch her, then there had to be someone else in the front seat. That person needs to be identified & fess up. Other than that, Jameis will appear guilty whether or not he did it. If Jameis & Darby are lying, then they need to fess up. To let this situation linger will not bode well for Jameis in the future. I’m now convinced that the Bucs will move on from him if it’s determined by the NFL (and the fans) that he’s guilty as charged.
And as far as her ‘lawyering up’ goes, I’d bet that she didn’t call that lawyer group, they pursued her. Fat payday in their sights after Jameis settled that first allegation. I’m against Jameis settling, presuming that he’s innocent. Settle once & the sharks will keep circling just waiting for another meal.
November 22nd, 2017 at 11:08 am
all these could’ve would’ve should’ve are BS….LOL….
he should’ve did this….he could’ve did that….would love to see how some of you would handle being a young franchise professional athlete….
according to some, they would hide for the rest of their career….have a mob follow them everywhere they went…..hire this person…hire that person….
and then when an athlete goes broke, you want to say he spent his money on stupid things like an entourage….a chauffer…..personal assistant that follows him around 24/7…..these things cost $$$$….he aint got Andrew luck Matthew Stafford money!!!….GO BUCS!!!!
November 22nd, 2017 at 11:12 am
If jw is either or not HE SHOULD LEAVE THIS TEAM IMMEDIATELY
That’s the best investment he could do for himself. Tampa bucs is a losing culture team and he should have better for himself. He needs support. Tampa ain’t having that
November 22nd, 2017 at 11:14 am
the first settlement was for 950,000….the lawyers got 700,000…the alleged victim got 250,000….
of course its all about the money….these f’ing lawyers are greedy as h3ll….fighting this and clearing his name will prevent these chicks from trying this sh!t again…..GO BUCS!!!!
November 22nd, 2017 at 11:44 am
Go Joe! I’m glad you are letting Supersam have it. He has been nothing but negative against Jameis since he got here. If you have nothing good to say then keep it to yourself. Man what is our society coming to we are very quick to point the finger, and anymore on social media alls I see is divide. Now we are trying to destroy another player of ours when we still know nothing. I strongly believe social media is the sole culprit of our mass shootings. Folks we need to start treating others with respect and be careful how we talk to one another not only in person but on blogs like this. If we don’t correct our ways you will see bigger divide and death coming to the people. We might see our first war started over social media. I’m not sure what happened to Jameis and am very sad that he is in this situation because I know more and more people are going to be quick to accuse with no evidence. We can not judge him for it is not our place. Right now this young man needs our support. I believe he is innocent and I hope he continues to be the leader of this team. If guilty I hope he gets help and can bounce back. Go Bucs! Fans I feel for you for I am a diehard myself but we will get through all of this and the best thing we can do right now is just support our team and each other. We will all come out stronger through the dark times you just have to Belitung the good of people.
November 22nd, 2017 at 11:45 am
*believe in
November 22nd, 2017 at 11:47 am
The more I follow this story the more I don’t know what to think about this guy…….I mean now that I read StPeteBucsFans post she is right. There was no reason for Winston to let the finger be pointed at him as soon as he heard the complaint(if it wasn’t him). It just seems like common sense for Winston, or his legal team, to make sure they got some type of info that clears his name from being the passenger that committed the groping……….Why in the world would he leave it as an unresolved issue at that time knowing it could completely ruin his career. All I can say is maybe they did and maybe it will come out. Because otherwise it really makes no sense.
And hopefully it turns out this gal is lying because what kind of grown azzed men ride around grabbing strangers in their private parts and screaming homosexual remarks out the window of a car? I’ve seen untrained dogs that behave more appropriately………I mean get me a break. If all this is true these idiots need to grow the heck up. It’s getting so tiresome hoping for this Bucs team. Do I really have to hope that my QB does act like a preteen?
All I know is that I’d like to hear something come out as hard evidence one way or the other……….Sick of all this stuff being swept under the rug in sports with lies and tall tales. If somebody was in the passenger seat of that car and did what was explained I honestly believe they would be better off being straight up about it. It would be the first step for that creep to grow the hell up.
November 22nd, 2017 at 11:47 am
Folks are allowed to express their feelings here, within reason. Accusing someone of a felony or committing a crime they were never charged of, or of being a convict, can and will get people run. Joe can get sued for that (rightly so). Joe is responsible for every word on this website.
November 22nd, 2017 at 11:50 am
Like I said before, the thing that we should all want is for 100% of the Truth to come out, what ever it is
November 22nd, 2017 at 11:53 am
@StPete- It’s funny how many people align themselves with people that don’t represent them. That goes for both parties. FACT: There is not one, NOT ONE US Senator with a net worth of less than one million dollars!!! I’m going to go out on a limb here and say that there is not a single person who visits this site that even comes close to a $1,000,000.
But hey, keep believing that all those tax breaks are going to trickle down like during the beloved Reagan era. Here’s a hint: It did not! They put that money in their pockets.
November 22nd, 2017 at 11:55 am
Lumping everyone together accused of sexual harassment is like lumping someone that is a murderer that accidentally killed someone in a car accident with Charles Manson.
November 22nd, 2017 at 11:56 am
This third guy needs to man up and speak up. Sure it would be bad for him…but it could be a career killer for Jameis.
November 22nd, 2017 at 12:09 pm
mark2001 Says:
November 22nd, 2017 at 11:56 am
This third guy needs to man up and speak up. Sure it would be bad for him…
IMO, the 3rd person is a current football player….
if it was just the average joe and a true friend of jameis he would come out admit it was him and help his friend(Winston) out….ask Winston to get him a lawyer and be done with it….
but if its a current player, he has everything to lose so he’ll wait and see how it plays out…..its unfortunate but at this point, its every man for themselves….GO BUCS!!!
November 22nd, 2017 at 12:10 pm
Oh, how we forget. Shannon Sharpe 10 years ago:
Shannon Sharpe is reportedly leaving CBS’s NFL pregame show until his legal issues are resolved. Meanwhile, more details have emerged regarding the reasons behind Sharpe’s most recent restraining order. The allegations include rape and death threats. Yikes. Given the severity of the allegations and our legal system’s snail’s pace, this could linger for a while. We might not be seeing Sharpe anytime soon.
I ALSO SUGGEST YOU GOOGLE HIS COMMENT ABOUT BIG BEN WHEN HE WAS ACCUSED OF RAPE A FEW YEARS AGO. SS IS A RACIST.
November 22nd, 2017 at 12:16 pm
If Darby is proven to be lying for his homeboy I hope he gets 1 year suspension
November 22nd, 2017 at 12:35 pm
JImmy Jack, agree completely. Here is my post from yesterday on the subject:
If he’s innocent, get out in front of it and prove it ( even if you don’t have to prove your innocence). If there was a third person, and he is the offender, out him, then cut ties with him and tell the whole world about it.
The longer it goes, the weirder it gets. Looks like he has something to hide.
Bottom line is, he will forever be linked to his past indiscretions . Innocent or guilty. Sad truth is he’s not even a great QB. So why deal with his baggage?
November 22nd, 2017 at 12:40 pm
Sharp makes good points.
Note that people laugh at Mike Pence position of never being alone with a woman not his wife. Smart call.
The third guy won’t speak up because he’ll be ruined.
Celebrities should consider wearing body cams…(I’d love to see the video of Pacman Jones making it rain in the strip club…)
November 22nd, 2017 at 12:47 pm
Remember when the rumor was the Glazers were split on drafting Winston? Specifically Malcolm’s daughter Darcie who brought up the public relations impact of the selection. This situation should spark some great table conversation for them at Thanksgiving dinner.
November 22nd, 2017 at 1:02 pm
THIS AIN’T THE FIRST TIME WINSTON HAS DONE THIS CRAP , HIS DONE IT BEFORE AND GOT AWAY WITH IT SO HE KEEPS PUSHING THE BOUNDTRYS AND HE’S IN TROUBLE AGAIN, AND HE MUST LOVE IT CAUSE HE DIDN’T LEARN THE FIRST TIME , HOW ABOUT GIVEN THE WOMAN THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT, ..I DO BELIEVE THE WOMAN IS TELLING THE TRUTH, LIKE I SAID , IT’S NOT THE FIRST TIME WINSTON HAS DONE THIS CRAP…….
November 22nd, 2017 at 1:03 pm
OK it’s a he said she said….he said he was one of three…she said he was alone.
How difficult is it to ferret out this fact.
@Bonzai I don’t know the truth or not but I read that since she never filed a legal complaint the law was not available to subpoena the video…there was no reason. Most chains DO video their drive throughs but absent any reason to do so they do not save that video for well over a year so it’s probably been long gone.
I’m no big Darby fan…but if Jameis and his people can produce that third passenger to corroborate both Jameis and Darby I’ll say case closed.
My biggest question right now…why wasn’t the 3 passenger defense used over a year ago. The driver stated immediately that it was just Jameis…two more passengers destroy her story…why didn’t Jameis people do that LONG ago?
November 22nd, 2017 at 1:03 pm
Sam was the most vocal of the Mariota crowd and never wanted Jameis. I am sure he is truly happy this accusation has been made.
November 22nd, 2017 at 1:06 pm
BucMan
People can change their ways and young men certainly can mature and grow up.
From my unbiased perspective I think Jameis and the girl BOTH deserve the benefit of doubt until we find out how many were in the car that night.
3 people and that girls loses all credibility…sadly if it was just Jameis he’s toast whether he did anything or not. His past and an obvious lie if there werent’ three people will do him in. It’s as simple as that.
Here is a question for you guys. None of us really know…why should we trash Jameis or slut shame the girl? Can’t we wait for the facts about the number of passengers?
November 22nd, 2017 at 1:07 pm
Mr Sharp is spot on. Don’t matter if Jameis is innocent/guilty. His verdict outside of Tampa Bay is in. He’s guilty or Deehyam close to it! Pay this money grabber off now and..be done with it before it builds even more steam. Learn from this and keep movin. BEcause Goodall is gonna cut him down with a 2 to 4 game suspension anyhows……
November 22nd, 2017 at 1:08 pm
Yeah Jmark…..It is getting stranger the longer it goes on with Winston being silent…….It still could go either way but then they start talking yesterday about making a settlement.
I don’t see how a quiet settlement happens if he is innocent. How could Winston possibly make a settlement if he did no wrong while the true criminal gets off scott free. That doesn’t add up to me. How are we to believe that Winston pays out of his pocket and ruins his own image and possible career if he did nothing wrong. Maybe it plays out differently then what I’m thinking but I don’t see how he settles in court without revealing the trues suspect here, if there is in fact one.
November 22nd, 2017 at 1:11 pm
Theres one reason Jameis didnt report this to the team, or come out immediately and denounce the drivers statement.
Shes telling the truth, and his handlers/Lawyers have been trying to come up with plausible defense.
They have been trying to see if there was any way to prove how many people were in the car.
No way to prove Jameis was alone?
Perfect! Enter Jameis’ buddy- Ronald Darby!
If he lies about being in the car- and she cant prove hes lying- then they have discredited her.
Thats how Lawyers think and act.
They wouldnt” wait and see”
They’ve been very busy
Jameis decision making on the field has not improved.
If the allegations are true, neither has decision making off the field.
Tell FRitz to knock off that winning crap!!
We probably are drafting a QB
November 22nd, 2017 at 1:20 pm
St Pete……Not by any mean am I an expert of legal stuff but I don’t think Winston had to prove anything 20 months ago because it was just a filed complaint and a ban from Uber.
You would assume that any good lawyer would still collect evidence to clear Winston, if there was any, at that time however. I’m pretty sure you can get video footage(if they had camera) if you simply ask the store owner and they are willing………Which should be pretty easy since your Winston and can offer them 10k for a copy, which would be well worth the price. I don’t think there are laws against that.
Aside from that I’m sure they could find more witnesses or something else that validates Winstons story. It seems to me that if Winston has no evidence he looks pretty dang guilty.
I think there is something called proceedings within all this legal mambo jumbo which may be why they don’t just come right out with evidence they may have.
November 22nd, 2017 at 1:22 pm
It’s awful that anyone has to go through this . However jameis continues to show his immaturity and childish behavior on the field . It’s time to trade jameis. He is not the guy to lead this team
November 22nd, 2017 at 1:22 pm
Armed guard w/ advanced skills and experience: $35–$45 per hour.
Most experienced (off-duty police officers, ex-military) armed guard: $60–$100 per hour or more.
Small price to pay when you’ve got – a $100M dollar contract on the line.
November 22nd, 2017 at 1:26 pm
Yeah Tim….Well wait and see. Let’s hope Winstons lawyers have more then Darbys statements…….With all the technology available this day and age if the best they can do is provide a he/she said argument Winston will look pretty danged guilty.
November 22nd, 2017 at 1:32 pm
JimmyJack
I’m no attorney either and I don’t even try to play one on a sports blog. LOL
I do not believe Jameis has faced any legal liability but the court of public opinion was already muddied by former transgressions. I just can’t believe they did not get ahead of this story…because I agree with you JimmyJack.
If Jameis had his people or better still told the Bucs immediately and let their people do the work…there most likely was video and I agree with you the store management would have shared it the “right” people had asked way back then.
If they had proof of three people they could have gone on the offensive. No press conference necessary from Jameis…just his attorney threatening UBER with a lawsuit for taking his app on an unfounded allegation.
As Joe has repeatedly pointed out….If they had gotten ahead of this story long ago they could have placed the girl and UBER on the defensive from the get go.
In fact maybe it would be Jameis cashing in with a lawsuit against UBER that they would settle.
SETTLING….I do not know which time you live in or what society but SETTLING is no longer synonymous with guilt. It happens all the time as a simple legal strategy and frequently a financial consideration. Sometimes it’s actually just cheaper to pay the settlement than racking up continued and sometimes massive legal costs. May not be fair but that’s how it works guys.
If Jameis settles this and gets it behind him I will not be here calling him guilty.
UNLESS he waits too long and proof positive emerges there were not three people in that car. If he settles that liability immediately disappears.
November 22nd, 2017 at 1:43 pm
Guys all millineals (sp) take uber and at 2am in the morning how long would it take for a limo to arrive. Most ubers are 5 mins away. He is not necessarily wrong for taking an uber. He is wrong for being a target. Any woman can claim jameis touched them in any environment and we would be sitting here debating what he could have done differently when what he did initially was not wrong. Its the world we live in. And to those who say find different friends, you are wrong. Im am much older than jameis, but i did not know i needed to seperate myself from an individual until they did something messed up after a night of hanging out. And many times that was after many nights of hanging out with said individual not showing any signs of being trouble. You live and you learn.
November 22nd, 2017 at 1:51 pm
One more addition to my settling point.
My wife was a dentist…my BIL is a cardiologist….I’ve heard numerous stories from health care professionals who were sued for malpractice despite their innocence in the case.
The most galling aspect for most of the innocent docs were the frequent number of times their Malpractice insurer settled out of court despite the Docs protestations. It gets down to simple dollars. Malpractice insurance companies could care less about their clients guilt or innocence….just the odds of proving either the expense of going through the gyrations to do it. It’s not infrequent that it’s cheaper to settle than to prove innocence.
November 22nd, 2017 at 1:53 pm
Well StPete…..if this incident happened the way Winston said it happened I don’t think Uber did anything wrong to him. Winston used his account to hail Uber and during that ride a crime was committed. From my understanding all they did was suspend his account……I don’t see how they did anything wrong to Winston. I think Uber had every right to suspend his account for what ensued from it.
I also realize settlement are very commonplace if that happens so be it. Reguardless of that this mystery third passenger still needs to be revealed because it will partially heal Winstons image…..I can understand how the courts force you to settle sometimes but why should Winston be forced to take all the fall on this if he is indeed innocent……That’s the part that doesn’t add up to me.
If there indeed was a third guy in that car don’t you kinda have to reveal them?
Settlement or not
November 22nd, 2017 at 1:59 pm
I feel like we need a circuit court Judge here to tell us what to think……….Man the NFL is such a disgrace……..I call a motion these guys play 82 games a year and let the hockey guys play just 16 Sundays per year. The NHL doesn’t have have all these creeps creating drama nonstop.
November 22nd, 2017 at 2:05 pm
The truth shall set you free. That includes Jameis spitting out the name of the “third passenger” to his team and his investigators. Failure to do that…he is DONE in so many ways, from holding out on his team ownership/leadership to, if it’s the case, lying about the number of passengers. The former will bit him badly either way. The latter will wash him up in the NFL.
November 22nd, 2017 at 2:14 pm
Roy! That’s the problem,there is not third person! If Jamise didn’t have any involvement the Coach and GM would have known in 2016.
November 22nd, 2017 at 2:31 pm
Unfortunately Capt Tim is right. They are coming up with alibis/excues it seems like. If this was all lies, Jameis would have immediately notified the Bucs front office and his attorneys would have been working on it long ago. They are now reacting because Jameis most likely tried to bury this story and was hoping it would go away. Just think logically about how you would handle a false allegation that you could easily disprove? None of what Jameis has done makes any sense if he is truly innocent here.
November 22nd, 2017 at 3:00 pm
Jw has a non-chalantly attitude towards these things of someone who has nothing to worry about. This speak louder than anything and any opinions of ppl
I would THINK he is innocent by not having to prove a thing until the ” kate” proves it first.
A guilty MF would do everything to prove he was innocent (my suspections will rise if that happened)
Even that FHITP thing during a allegation proves he was innocent. Come on ppl
But the bucs could of use the Dez Bryant treatment and got this guy (asset) some protection of himself. He had character issue coming in the nfl and risky why not hire guys for him?
November 22nd, 2017 at 3:09 pm
She’s probably not telling the truth or only tellin the part where maybe Jameis may have been somewhat suggestive. But guys..it does not matter. Try tellin to a court what you did not do to this woman. Then the publicity builds. Best thing is to be honest with Godall investigation and tell them..you want it to go away. And the best way to do that is..Pay the money grabber off. At some point, he’s gonna pay her off anyways. Goddall might make the suspension light..real light like 2 games or so. Poor Jameis..between a rock and a hard place. I wish the kid well as he matures.
November 22nd, 2017 at 3:23 pm
@Mike
I wish the kid well as he matures.
I agree with you 100%. If he’s innocent and he’s able to put this behind him I hope he’s learned for the future.
One aspect I do not understand is the attitude of pity from some guys that #3 now has to protect himself with measures most of us don’t have to put up with.
While I concede it may seem like an aggravation…it’s soooo small compared to the good stuff…starting with 23 MILLION.
If you run for President and win…you and your family are going to be dogged with secret service the rest of your life!!! It’s a true invasion of privacy!!! It’s a price Presidents and Presidential candidates are aware and they make the sacrifice. Different bennies and responsibilies with different jobs.
November 22nd, 2017 at 5:09 pm
Armed guard w/ advanced skills and experience: $35–$45 per hour.
Most experienced (off-duty police officers, ex-military) armed guard: $60–$100 per hour or more.
that’s all fine and dandy but when the armed guard see Winston, he’s guaranteed to jack up the price….the famous or risky you are the more $$$$ it cost…..that $60-$100 for average joe goes up to $1,000-$2,500 for a person of Winston’s status…..GO BUCS!!!!
November 22nd, 2017 at 6:21 pm
813
So do the math….how many times is he going to party past midnight. He got a freaking 16 million bonus and a 23 million contract.
If he paid 200 per hour for coverage and rented limos for another 300…and he ends up paying $1,000 for his safety it’s still chump change. If he needed that service 50 evenings a year he would be spending $50,000 a year and he’s already earning more than 5 Million a year. He has accountants. All of that $50,000 would be a tax writeoff….a cost of doing business.
Listen I get to Joe six packs like us it sounds like a lot of money and hassle…he has “people” to take care of all of that.
Meanwhile he’s due over 125 million on his next contract….IF he doesn’t screw up again. This is not about money it’s about poor advisors and what the hell were the Bucs thinking. They didn’t have repeated conversations.
I know the NFL provides rides for players who would be DUI…I can’t believe the Bucs couldn’t have protected their investment a LOT better. This is not all on just Jameis…he’s the kid…with bad judgement…where were the Bucs and where were Jameis’ “people”.
November 23rd, 2017 at 7:05 am
look no way any prosecutor brings this bs to court, women file domestic violence charges every day and lose because they have no proof.
November 23rd, 2017 at 8:56 am
St. Pete
Always enjoy your well reasoned posts… However, I don’t necessarily think the Bucs should have to baby sit the guy in the off season. And if in fact they do need to babysit him, is he the guy we want to be a leader of this football team? Someone posted the other day that he’s not a Dline or a CB..he’s the freakin QB of the team. He’s the one that should be leading by example .
We can all talk about him being 23 and immature, but I think there is more there..there is something more wrong with him.
There is no getting around the fact that the longer this goes the worse it looks/ is.