Starting Fast

October 12th, 2017

Cards GM blasts team.

Since winning Bucs coach Dirk Koetter arrived in Tampa Bay, he has preached fast starts.

Those haven’t developed very often. If there is any pattern through four games that Joe can see in this 2017 campaign, it’s that if the Bucs jump out to a fast start (vs. Chicago, New York) they win.

Sluggish first-half offense means they lose.

Well, if you go by how the Eagles blasted the Cardinals last week and by the words of Cardinals honcho Steve Keim, that’s exactly how to beat the Birds of Sand.

Appearing on Arizona Sports 98.7 FM, the Arizona GM tore into his team, as documented by Bob McManaman of the Arizona Republic, and all but called his players dumb.

“Quite frankly, we need to continue rotate players in and out of here and find players who can help us,” he said. “If a guy continually makes the same mistake and he’s not going to fix it, we’ll go ahead and make a decision and look at the ready list and bring on some guys, who we are this week, and make some changes.”

And due to no running game, the Cardinals are a one-trick pony and Keim said foes know this and take advantage.

“And offensively, I don’t think it’s any question that we had to try and run the ball effectively to get them off balance and maybe try to throw some play-actions. Maybe we hit some deep shots on them. But when you can’t run the ball effectively, I think we all know … when teams tee off and I know you’re going to throw the football quite a bit, not only is it extremely difficult to pass protect but it’s difficult to pass protect knowing what’s coming. You’re going to be constantly getting pressure.

“Long story short, they jumped on top of us early, special teams certainly didn’t help – which was another disappointment – and the game got away from us pretty quick even though we had a few different times where we could have gotten some momentum and jumped back into it.”

Gee, whiz. If a team cannot run the ball, it becomes one-dimensional. Joe swears he’s heard that around these parts once or twice in recent weeks.

73 Responses to “Starting Fast”

  1. AlteredEgo Says:

    Nothing on 93 Uproaring ?

  2. Anthony Liga Says:

    See where Gerald McCoy said if the players are forced to stand
    for the Anthem, there could be a players revolt…Bring it on Gerald!
    Let’s see how stupid the players really are.

  3. TheBucsAnthem Says:

    Maybe a little bit sensational reporting using the word “dumb”……even as if it comes across that way…..

    Any team will become one denominational if there’s no run game period!

    That’s why we gotta start off fast…..and Jameis is absolutely killing this team with his slow starts……that has to stop.

    People are saying Arizona is a “gimme” and the same thing was said about the Giants too…..and look how that game went.

    ANY GIVEN SUNDAY……….

    ANY TEAM CAN LOSE AT

    ANY GIVEN TIME

    ……………..so I sure hope the bucs play up to their god-given potential and and bring their A-game.

  4. MIKE Says:

    I QUIT WATCHIN’ FOOTBALL EVEN THE BUC’S , IF THEY CAN’T STAND I CAN’T WATCH SIMPLE AS THAT …….I LOVE MY COUNTRY MORE …….

  5. Defense Rules Says:

    Was Cards GM Steve Keim talking about the Cardinals or the Bucs? Aah heck, doesn’t matter, he nailed it whichever team he was talking about.

  6. Guzzie Says:

    mike…don’t watch go watch tennis or something, that’s your right as a free man, to watch whatever you want, getting abused by cops repeatedly just for being a different color, that is the issue but doubt you care about that! Anyways go Bucs, hope we don’t let Carson go all Keenum on us, we give their WRs 10 yard cushions they will eat us alive

  7. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Anthony Liga Says
    “See where Gerald McCoy said if the players are forced to stand
    for the Anthem, there could be a players revolt…Bring it on Gerald!
    Let’s see how stupid the players really are.”

    Two things…first, kneeling is not dishonoring the flag or the country. People bow to kings, and this is no different.

    Second, if the NFL tries to firse players to stand, they open themselves up to lawsuits, because the NFL already PUBLICLY stated the players have the right to kneel, therefore the “no protesting on the job site” does not apply, since the NFL already allowed it.

    It is not in the rule book that they stand either.

    So while some are high on their horses, take a dose of reality. Agree with the protest or not, they have a right.

  8. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    “Second, if the NFL tries to force players”

  9. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Guzzie Says
    “…getting abused by cops repeatedly just for being a different color, that is the issue…”

    I agree with you regarding Mike, but you are wrong about what the issue is.

    The issue is not the police abuse any longer…it is protecting the right to protest. Just look at all of these players lately. Barely any of them mention the original issue. It is more “Don’t tell me I cannot protest!” driven.

    Our prosident opened that can of worms, and now you have players and fans who did not support kneeling actually switching sides to protect civil rights.

  10. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    Sorry for the typos…

  11. Buccaneer Bonzai Says:

    I bet Steve Keim will be looking for work this off season. He’s throwing his team under the bus. No way do the players in that locker room like that.

    Sure, tell them those things in private, but publicly?

    Walking papers are coming.

  12. GhostofSchiano Says:

    @Guzzie,

    Is that ALL cops or a few bad apples? Until you put on the uniform, patrol the worst sector in your town, subdue and apprehend a resistant arrestee, then come back here and spew your blm crap.

  13. MadMax Says:

    “birds of sand” HA!
    Love it

  14. National anthem Says:

    Guzzie: here’s what you and a lot of the players are missing.
    1. Most of the American public do not understand the connection between police brutality/ racial injustice and kneeling during the anthem. They believe kneeling =protesting the anthem. This faction includes rich and poor, young and old.
    2. Those players who are kneeling insist it’s not about protesting the flag, military and/or law enforcement. However, there does not seem to be any middle ground, comprise or awareness. These same players insist on dialogue with NFL ownership but have not reached out to veterans, police or families of soldiers lost in battle. These players have only one stance “kneel or else”.
    3. As a whole, these players don’t even have the support and unity of their own teams. Ownership, coaching and teammates.
    4. There’s no crediblity with these players and they are in the way to ruining the NFL for them and future generations. It’s anarchy.
    5. There has to be a middle ground!

  15. Nate Says:

    I’m a respectful patron to the flag by the next man…..

    but do your studies on what rape , pillage and plunder took place for that flag

    and Anthony Liga?? let people keep pushing all the real good players will form their own dammmm league

    then who will yall watch or play………yeah imagine that….

  16. MadMax Says:

    This whole kneeling controversy is in the heads of many players. To think those doofus jackholes are going to try hard at anything right now, well thats a dumbarse thought (they have their money already, they dont care). Its going to take a few years to wash that jit out…if it even happens!

    Glad im done with the nfl this season. Other than the Bucs and their opponent (as long as nobody kneels during the anthem again) im not watching any of them.

  17. AlteredEgo Says:

    Maybe one of these 1,696 NFL players could stand up and actually make an articulate statement of exactly what they are protesting !….WTF is “social injustice”…..

  18. 813bucboi Says:

    @anthonyliga….

    lol…the good thing is, dumb people like jerry jones are playing right into the hands of those who support the cause….the ole sang is true…if you don’t learn from the past, i’ll repeat it….

    think back to the civil rights movement….when blacks began to boycott the buses whites and business owners thought it was silly….they said good, don’t ride…we’ll continue to ride….it aint hurting us….well turns out it did…in a HUGE way…their pockets….blacks stopped riding…money stopped pouring in…billionaire business owners said, wait a minute, we got to fix this….now im being effected…it forced the government and law makers to come together with people of the community form a plan for desegregation…

    fast forward to today and we have the same thing brewing….when GMC mentioned “uproar” that’s translation for “boycott”….black players make up over 70% of the nfl….think about if “they” all decided not to play sunday….nfl teams wont have enough players to play an actual game….they may be able to make it work but the quality would be terrible….no one would watch….not those who support the protest or those that are anti-protest….billionaires like jerry jones would be losing tens of millions of dollars….which would again force law makers and the government to come together with people from the community, change laws and hold officers to a higher standard…harsher punishment for killing an unarmed American….no longer will they be able to use the phrase,” I feared for my life” and be justified for killing an unarmed person….

    so go ahead nfl…force players to stand….you’ll be putting the nails in your own casket….GO BUCS!!!!

  19. 813bucboi Says:

    Maybe one of these 1,696 NFL players could stand up and actually make an articulate statement of exactly what they are protesting !….WTF is “social injustice”…..

    ask a black man what social injustice is since we’re the only ones struggling with it and care about making a change….white people don’t care because it aint effecting them….simple as that….their kids aren’t being murdered in the streets by officers that are suppose to protect and serve….

    if you cant see the connection between young black men in the nfl and young black men being murdered in the streets than your just as blind and ignorant as can be….the connection is simple….these same nfl players were once in the same place where these young unarmed black men were…they could’ve been easily gunned down for no reason…they have families and friends that live normal lives that could easily be taken away from them just like those that were murdered by officers….if you cant see the connection than you either don’t care or don’t have your eyes open…..GO BUCS!!!!

  20. Defense Rules Says:

    Obviously this ‘Starting Fast’ article isn’t any longer about the Cards … or the Bucs. It’s about players’ protesting … something.

    What’s unfortunate about this whole discussion is that there appear to be TWO parallel discussions going on simultaneously. One discussion gets back to the original that Colin Kapernick initiated: Does player kneeling during the National Anthem to protest ‘something’ (police brutality in Kapernick’s case) disrespect our nation, our flag, our Anthem, etc?

    The present NFL player protests it seems to me are no longer about that at all. They really came about when our president singled out NFL players as being whiny little babies who should be required to stand for the National Anthem … period. He challenged their RIGHT to protest, and that seems to have set off this whole recent chain of events. Seems to me at this point that NFL players are no longer protesting police brutality/the other initial issue … they’re protesting this president’s statements drawing a line in the sand regarding what they can and can’t protest, and how they can or can’t protest. Maybe folks need to go back and re-read our Constitution and Bill of Rights. Issues like this are further dividing our nation … and that’s unacceptable.

  21. MadMax Says:

    813…so lets get on the same page

    social injustice? Im going to try to be nice but what about socially f’ed up?

    And is it REALLY our problem, socially as a society? I dont think so!

    Black males ages 18 to 35 make up 6% of our nations population…and commit over 50% of our nations crime (those who are caught and the crime is stat)

    This whole kneeling thing has shined a light on that problem….to me. Why? Because I dug into it. Why are they committing so much more crime then the rest of the 94% of the population? I WANT IT FIXED NOW…ITS RIDICULOUS!!!!!

  22. Pickgrin Says:

    Bonzai says:
    “It is not in the rule book that they stand”

    Here’s a quote from the official NFL Game Operations Manual

    “The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem. During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.”

    I personally don’t have an issue with the players kneeling as a form of protest and the NFL has obviously decided not to take issue with this despite the above quoted rule.

    The problem I have with all of this is focusing on skin color with this “protest”.

    Cops are abusing their position of authority way too often these days.

    LEOs use excessive force and ignore citizens constitutional rights way too often as well. No one can really dispute these statements as there is video evidence galore showing exactly that all over youtube.

    Perhaps the prevalence of this evidence is because everyone carries cell phones now and video recording interactions with the police (which is 100% legal in ALL instances btw) is much more commonplace than it used to be.

    Police being forced to wear bodycams and have them recording while interacting with the public as well as “dashcams” in most LEOs vehicles is also increasing the # of abusive LEO interactions being seen by the public as well.

    Perhaps this has always been a big problem and we are just recently seeing what actually happens out on the streets now that video recording ‘out on the streets’ is so much more prevalent. Or maybe the rate of police abuse IS increasing. Either way – its a PROBLEM that needs to be addressed and it is the responsibility of every American citizen to do their part in insisting that not only LEOs but ALL govt employees (including elected officials) follow the US Constitution and not abuse their position of “power” or “authority”.

    It is true that people who have more melanin in their skin’s pigment are being subjected to abuse via excessive/deadly force at a rate higher than “whites” – but this is a problem for every American. Not just “blacks”.

    So why make this “protest” strictly about LEOs abusing people of color? We are all suffering abuse at the hands of overzealous police.

    “Protect and Serve” has basically been replaced with “what can I bust you for”? Cops pull people over in their cars for the minorest of “violations” with the soul intention of “busting” them for something else if possible. Leos stop people on the street for no legitimate reason with the same intention.

    Sometimes these interactions go badly and its usually because the officer abused his/her authority or did not like that the person they are interacting with is willing to stand up to them in protection of their constitutional rights.

    This is a training and recruiting problem. Police are being militarized and they have forgotten that they work for and “serve” the public. Too many police officers have an attitude of untouchability. That whatever they say goes when dealing with the public – whether Constitutional or not.

    If an officer gives a “command” and a citizen does not feel that officer is within their right to make that demand – then the typical response is the use of force.

    I don’t know if kneeling during the national anthem is going to change any of this – It likely won’t. But putting attention on the “problem” is never a bad thing IMO.

    Its just sad that the “problem” has been narrowed down to a single race. We are all Americans and we are all suffering abuse at the hand of overzealous LEOs to one degree or another at some point in our lives.

    Let’s widen the scope is all I’m saying. This should not just be about cops abusing blacks. This should be about all Americans insisting that LEOs and all govt and elected officials must follow the US Constitution at all times or face consequences – and also most importantly – remembering that…
    THEY SERVE US!! And get paid to do so.

  23. Capt.Tim Says:

    McCoy seems not to realize that NFL players are at work. And their protest are impacting their product. Viewership continues to drop.

    Go to work Monday. And set up ANY protest, that
    A) Can be seen by your companies Customers/ Clientel.
    B) Is offensive to any customer/ client.

    You will be told to cease costing your employer money- or you’ll be fired
    Freedom of Speech doest allow you to ruin your Bosses business
    apparently the Players dont know they are at Work.

    Also
    There are people from 195 Different countries living in America. 6 major ethnic groups
    Out of all those millions of People, Only one group says they have to fight for equal right, and have for 70 years.
    And out of all those different kinds of People, Only one Group says they are being Targeted by Police.

    Guess EVERY OTHER GROUP feels they are being treated equal, and arent being targeted by the Police.

    Kinda weird, huh?

  24. pabucsfan Says:

    @MadMax

    Wow you really hate black people dont you

  25. 813bucboi Says:

    madmax…

    so let me get this straight…..are you talking about petty crimes that black men commit, mass murders by black men or black on black crime?…

    because the last time I checked black men aren’t the ones shooting up elementary schools(sandy hooks)….black men aren’t the ones shooting up churches….black men aren’t the ones killing unarmed white boys….black men aren’t the ones shooting up concerts in vegas…..

    and the problem aint blacks committing crime…its white officers murdering unarmed black men and getting away with it….that’s social injustice….care to try again….GO BUCS!!!

  26. MadMax Says:

    @pa, nice try and im not falling for it. I work with many black people who are hardened workers and great to be around. My Brother from another mother since I was 14 is a big black man, played for ohio state (and a huge influence in my life since) Im just stating stats.

  27. MadMax Says:

    yeah 813, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G48jO-JeuLU

    and the shooting in vegas is a week in chicago….but what do I know.

    Yes, there are crazy white people too…..just stating stats.

  28. Capt.Tim Says:

    Recently, there was a large protest, over the Police shooting an Armed Heroine dealer. Had both Heroine and a gun- and a looooong police record. Multiple arrest for selling Heroine.

    The community he was shoot in, Protested

    Most communities would have protested An armed heroine dealer in their neighborhood, selling smack to their kids.

    Or meybe its just me.

    The Bucs all stood last game. I watched. First player to protest during the Anthem- I stop watching.
    Its that simple.
    Im not going to any Lightning games, as long as they are protesting.

    Guess Im going to a few extra Magic games. They said they will not be protesting

    I support everyones right to protest. But if the decide to do so during the Anthem, I choose not to pay to see them

    To many of my friends and Family have come home with that Flag draped ovee their cofgin, to do otherwise

  29. Capt.Tim Says:

    * draped over their coffin

  30. MadMax Says:

    And how many videos are out there of the “knock out game” of white people doing it. $hit, im done with this and being quiet about it! I’ll slow my roll here in respect of the Joe’s site, but when this BS has bled into the love of my favorite game, I DRAW THE LINE!

  31. LakeLand Says:

    This issue is about the 1st Amendment

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    WASHINGTON — Democratic lawmakers, First Amendment advocates and broadcast communications experts mobilized against President Donald Trump on Wednesday after he suggested that NBC News’ broadcast license could be revoked following a report detailing his interest in drastically increasing the nation’s nuclear arsenal.

    U.S. President Donald Trump fiercely defended the right to gun ownership on Friday, telling the National Rifle Association “the eight-year assault on your Second Amendment freedoms has come to a crashing end.”

    It’s very clear that we have a ” Hypocrite” for President

    He support the NRA and Gun Advocates

    But he’s against the NFL players protest

    He’s also against the press for reporting the truth about him

  32. MadMax Says:

    BTW, 813, have you been personally affected by a cop shooting someone you know? I have, and she was white. Ya’ll act like only black people get shot by cops…pshhh please.

  33. 813bucboi Says:

    madmax

    please read @pickgrin…..

    there are plenty of videos of whites beating up black at a trump rally….have you heard of charolesttville and what happens there?….you probably do and don’t care….

    I have experienced social injustice on any levels from high school to college all the way up until about a month ago….you still have no idea what social injustice is?….GO BUCS!!!

  34. 813bucboi Says:

    capt tim says:….There are people from 195 Different countries living in America. 6 major ethnic groups
    Out of all those millions of People, Only one group says they have to fight for equal right, and have for 70 years.
    And out of all those different kinds of People, Only one Group says they are being Targeted by Police.
    Guess EVERY OTHER GROUP feels they are being treated equal, and arent being targeted by the Police.

    LOL….WELCOME TO BEING BLACK IN AMERICA…..how many other ethnic groups IN AMERICA have been enslaved, chained, hung, whipped, abused and gunned down by police officers?….i’ll wait while you do the research….GO BUCS!!!!

  35. MadMax Says:

    ^ thisguy…..wow, another example of why Trump won.

  36. Buc1987 Says:

    MadMax Says :

    “And how many videos are out there of the “knock out game.”

    And flash mobs in stores. Watch the videos. Never seen one white person in those videos either.

    I think if I’m a white cop and a crime is being committed by someone that’s black where I might need to pull my gun. I’d just walk away. Drive away or whatever. Let the crime be committed. I think it’s become a two way street at this point. Most in the black community don’t trust ALL cops. Most cops don’t trust the community anymore.

    Is this what we’re down to though? NFL players and certain fans think there’s nothing wrong with what they’re doing during the anthem VS. the majority(haven’t seen polls yet) of the country thinking it is wrong. If so where’s the end game?

  37. MadMax Says:

    ^ another great point 87…..hope this one makes it after moderation….

  38. Mike Johnson Says:

    I wish the cardinals had not got blown out last Sunday. Because if you check their history, The few times they have been blown out, they come back with a vengence. WE have to be ready for that..initial storm. Coach Arians will have them fired up. I do beleive we win this game. But the score will be ugly and close.

  39. Buc1987 Says:

    “LOL….WELCOME TO BEING BLACK IN AMERICA…..how many other ethnic groups IN AMERICA have been enslaved, chained, hung, whipped, abused and gunned down by police officers?”

    You’ll never BE happy. You’ll always resort back to the past to make your point as if nothing’s changed in America and…

    That’s why I can’t take your side serious. What you say and do today is a slap in the face to the civil rights movement, as if they never got anywhere. imo. Cops shoot people DAILY we see about 3 – 4 cases pop up in the news a year where some cop supposedly killed some black guy for no good reason. Wow I like % on that one cause I’m sure there is a helluva more shootings than that. If it was such a big problem there would be a new story every single day.

    I also don’t think with all that’s been brought to light on this issue that cops are going to go out of there way now to shoot an unarmed black person. Meaning if it happens today or tomorrow to me the cop probably was right in doing so.

    I get it though. I’d hate to be judged by the color of my skin. Actually I’ve been to “the hood” with my best friend who is black. He told me not to get out of the car. I asked why. He said “cause your white”. Hmmmm

  40. Capt.Tim Says:

    813bucboi.
    Other Blacks in America arent protesting!
    Not Jamaicans, Dominicans, Nigerians, etc
    Its the Americans.

    And why Do you think that American Blacks are being discriminated against?
    Think Cops just dont like the Color black?
    There must be a reason . .

    Again, as long as the black community protest an Armed Heroine dealer being shot.
    Instead if protesting armed Heroine dealers,
    There is going to be problems
    See Chicago, Detroit, Etc.

    Every ethnic group has suffered. Many of the first settlers here wete indentured servants- translate slaves. Read about the Irish immigrants, the chinese.
    Lots of people sufferred Injustice and predjudice- right from the first white slaves. And No one suffered more than my ancestors- Im native American primarily.

    Yet every group has gotten past that, and now enjoy the freedoms that the blood of our soldiers- ALL SOLDIERS- has provided.
    No color in a foxhole, a battlefield, a casket.

    Isnt it strange that even Black police are in on this oppression? I can just see the police, fighting with each other, for the oppurtunity to patrol the African American Neighborhoods!! Just dying to oppress someone …

    Riiiiight . . .

    There are 30 million slaves in the world today.
    30 million
    I wish people were trying to help them, instead of disrespecting the flag that so many brave men dued defending

  41. Capt.Tim Says:

    *died defending
    Damn big fingers, damn Iphone!!

  42. AlteredEgo Says:

    Well said Capt. Tim…..

  43. TeddyTB Says:

    Lol it’d funnyvto hear how some of y’all seem so confuses about the protest but take literally no time to try to be sympathetic and learn the issues conflicting the players. If you’ve never walked in someones shoes how you ever understand them with out dialogue. IMO the simple dismissive stance my fellow bucs fans exhibiting is an example of y’all racsim. 1987 name me a time in American history where African Americans haven’t been Ignored? Its like you guys love the team but truly don’t care about the players at all, they only serve as entertainment value. I personaly didn’t agree with the protest as a black man and a military brat but the response to it has been very sad to see. Also there is plenty of cases of improper policing involving all races but AAs have always had to fight these battles for everyone. & any fans actually curious about the issue or willing to try to make some progress in this country please feel free to hit me up. I down to provide info and media that we can have discourse over and hopefully find common ground.
    Plus lets be real the players aren’t protesting because of the flag otherwise they’d of never stood in the first place.

  44. GhostofSchiano Says:

    TeddyTB

    I am sympathetic to point, how many of the police shootings could have been avoided by complying with the officers instructions?

    Most all of them, a few cases the officer should have been charged and convicted. Can we agree on this?

  45. unbelievable Says:

    @madmax and @altered ego,

    There have actually been multiple players who have spoken eloquently and intelligently about these issues and the reason behind the kneeling. You just choose not to listen. I do agree however that since the pres got involved, most of the kneeling now is not about that original issue.

    @ghostofschiano and others-

    You should look up Michael A Wood. He is A former Baltimore cop and marine. Listen to his interviews and stories from his time serving in Baltimore. It will open your eyes and you will realize that while there are a few very bad apples, there is also a very large institutional problem across most police forces.

  46. unbelievable Says:

    ^^ And no, in most cases the cops have not been convicted, even when it was clear they murdered someone.

  47. unbelievable Says:

    Sorry ghost, I misread your last sentence.

  48. 813bucboi Says:

    @87….you don’t you and @capt. tim answer the question…..which other ethnic group has been treated this way?…..im still waiting for your answer….you cant take this matter seriously because you don’t care….it doesn’t effect you….you and your people have never been treated like animals….

    @capt tim….LOL….that’s a lie….linval joseph is from the us virgin islands and he has people kneeling and supporting the cause….Puerto rico follows the protest because of Carmelo Anthony and they support the cause….Kaep has people in Africa supporting the cause….SUH as well….and these are countries that don’t even play football….you say all ethnic groups have suffered….maybe…but how many of those ethnic groups still fighting and struggling today?….only one….

    stop looking thru a straw…..open your eyes….

    be honest…you and others don’t care because your not being killed by officers….but as soon as things do happen(vegas,sand hooks) people like you want to talk about changing the gun laws….rrriigghhtt!!!!….GO BUCS!!!!

  49. GhostofSchiano Says:

    @813bucboi

    Like i said, in most of the cases we are referring to, had the black male complied with the arrest / officers instructions they would be alive today.and in some of those cases the officer should have been charged and convicted.

  50. Capt.Tim Says:

    Its like the “he had his hands up, and the cops shot him.”
    Or Michael Bennetts account of how his life was threatened-” because he was black”.

    The videos showed both incrdents to be BS

    This isnt about equal rights.

    Its about a section of the population, that takes no accountability for its own behavior and issues
    And are trying to get prefferencial treatment- by trying to intimidate the police.

    Not gonna work. Just like these protest. Soon, losing viewers will start costing these millionaires money
    Then you’ll see how “committed” they are to protesting! Lol

  51. orlbucfan Says:

    Try this one on for size, you all. A crippled, white woman in involved in a car accident. She is unarmed. After she gets out of her car, she is upset which is natural. The other car which hit hers is driven by a hispanic male. He calls the cops. What he actually does is call his cop friend, who is hispanic and his partner, a white female LEO. The crippled woman is pushing her car out of the way of traffic. This hispanic cop marches over to her, grabs her for no reason, and starts threats. She gets even more freaked out cos nows she’s scared. What does he do? He grabs her arms, yells at his partner to call backup and then come over and assist him in arresting this poor woman–remember she’s white, crippled and unarmed. They both throw her to the ground. They then grab her by the arms and ankles and pull her up in a U shape where her stomach is the bottom of the U. She is already shackled but then their buddies show up, and cover them as they throw her into the backseat of their squad car. She is driven to jail and booked like a common criminal. They charge HER with resisting arrest with violence, threatening LEOs, etc. Oh, BTW, while she’s being driven downtown, the hispanic cop and his white girlfriend cop ridicule and laugh at her. She has to hire an expensive lawyer, go to court and get these felonies reduced to misdemeanors. She succeeds but she still has to pay lawyer fees, fines and do probation.

    This story made me so angry I nearly stroked. It’s a true one which happened here in O-ville. I never had much use for cops before; I have no use for them now. Peace officers, my arse! And who pays their salaries. We taxpayers, that’s who!!

    Now, can we kindly get back to football?! Go Bucs!!

  52. 813bucboi Says:

    GHOST

    most of the murders happened after the victim complied with the law….there was no high speed chase…their were no physical altercation….in some cases the victims were detained…in handcuffs…or sitting in their car with a seat belt on….victims were shot at point blank range after being pulled over for a tail light or some BS like that…..the victims listened to the people were swore to protect and serve them….the were murdered in cold blood….

    but you don’t have to worry about that….and we know why…GO BUCS!!!!

  53. GhostofSchiano Says:

    813bucboi Says:

    but you don’t have to worry about that….and we know why

    Seeing as how you throw an insult into the mix it is clear you have run out of facts to discuss the issue. “Most of the murders” No most of the non-compliant violently resistant had deadly forced used upon them.

    If you do as you are instructed, comply with law enforcement then “You don’t’ have anything to worry about”.

    This also allows you to address any issues through either the agencies administrative process or through the court system. That is the proper way of doing things, but feel free to throw the race card into it if the results are not to your liking,. and we know why.

  54. GhostofSchiano Says:

    “In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.” George Orwell, author of 1984.

  55. Capt.Tim Says:

    Ghost- yup, thats where we are. People are afraid to tell the truth.
    Its disgusting

    813bucboi- the stories are always horrible.
    Yet the videos always tell a different story

    Again- as long as a community protest the shooting of an armed Heroine dealer,
    Instead of protesting heroine dealers

    You are gonna have problems.
    And disrespecting the flag isnt gonna help

    The cops have pretty much abondoned certain neighborhoods of Chicago.
    And people there are killing each other at a record setting rate
    No one you can blame there.

  56. 813bucboi Says:

    ghost

    when you assume, you make an a$$ out of you…lol….I love that sang because its so true….

    so how do you explain the officers shooting 4 bullets into an unarmed citizen while sitting in his car with his finance and 7years old child in the back seat?….he was pulled over for a busted tail light….the officer told him license, registration and as he reached over into the glover compartment to retrieve his wallet he was gunned down…

    he complied and now he’s dead…..but of course you would argue, why does he have his wallet in the glover compartment….

    no one played the race card, im stating facts….GO BUCS!!!!

  57. Pickgrin Says:

    “If you do as you are instructed, comply with law enforcement then “You don’t’ have anything to worry about”.

    Right. And what happens when the officer is in the wrong from the very beginning? Breaking citizens Constitutional rights from the very initiation of the “encounter”?

    When a citizen (of any color) objects and demands their rights be upheld – bad cops have a tendency to get angry because you are not bowing down to their self perceived importance and supremacy. They threaten and use excessive force frequently in these situations. Sort of a- “I’ll show you who is boss. You are going to jail MFer – and you might just get a ‘bump’ or 2 along the way..” even if the situation doesn’t warrant that.

    And “good” cops stand by and watch the bad cops break a citiizen’s rights and or be abusive with nary a word 99.9% of the time. Guess what that makes all those “good” cops. It makes them just as culpable as the bad cops and indeed does make them “bad” cops.

    Again – what does skin color have to do with any of this? Police brutality and unjustified killings happen to all races. It IS true that African Americans face a disproportionate number of “encounters” with the police and arrests compared to their % of the overall population – but that does not mean that this is strictly a “black” problem!

  58. 813bucboi Says:

    LOL….Videos show cops killing unarmed black men…..wtf are yall seeing…..justice?….GTFOH….GO BUCS!!!!

  59. 813bucboi Says:

    @PICKGRIN…..WELL SAID!!!!…GO BUCS!!!

  60. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    Its about a section of the population, that takes no accountability for its own behavior and issue. And are trying to get prefferencial treatment- by trying to intimidate the police.

    Well, now.
    Thanks for finally letting us know how your really feel.

  61. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    @unbelievable

    Once again – U provide solid resources.

  62. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    I get it though. I’d hate to be judged by the color of my skin. Actually I’ve been to “the hood” with my best friend who is black. He told me not to get out of the car. I asked why. He said “cause your white”. Hmmmm

    Shut the f#%K Up.
    U grew Up Rich.
    And Just because U got ONE brotha that’s your friend – all of sudden your down..lol

  63. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    #

  64. Capt.Tim Says:

    813boi- just more BS.
    I saw that Video.
    The man told the officer that he had a gun in the car.
    Well done
    But then he started reaching for the glove box.

    The cop sreamed at him 7 times to stop reaching , and wait.
    The man kept reaching , so the cop shot him.
    And the gun was in the glove box.
    In the Cop cam, you can see and hear the cop yelling for him to stop. And you can see the guy kept leaning for the glove box.

    Yup- we got shot for that.
    He stops- and he drives home with a warning citation.

    Boi-do you not know the truth about these incidents, or are you just trying to spred Propaganda

  65. Capt.Tim Says:

    Pickgrin,
    You realize that your whole lil senario was hypethetical- based only on your opinion.

    Not facts.

    Exactly how do you know that good cops stand around watching bad cops, doing nothing?
    Are you in internal affairs?

    Or, did you see it on Tee vee?

    So much BS, I dont think people know the truth from what they watch on TV

  66. BushidoEvans Says:

    @GhostofSchiano so being “difficult to arrest” = death? Firm logic guy.

  67. TBTD Says:

    Very interesting discussion. It doesn’t match the topic, but it is definitely good discussion. Frankly, this discussion is analogous to my take on the stand/sit issue. First, and foremost, I agree with the social perspective of the players. My problem is with the time, place and manner that they are protesting. I believe that protests during our national anthem should be reserved for people who are fundamentally opposed to our country. If a Canadian didn’t stand and salute during the playing of the US national anthem I wouldn’t care. It’s not his/her national anthem, so it would’t be shocking to me that they would be indifferent about it. I also don’t care if an American chooses not to participate in our tradition of standing and devoting attention to our flag during the anthem (Lacking patriotism isn’t the most heinous thing in the world. I disagree with it, but I’m enlightened enough to accept that not all people are the same). My personal line is/was crossed when employees on company time use this country’s national anthem as an opportunity to divert attention away from people paying respect to our country in order to advance their personal platform! While the agenda is worthy, the time and the stage are inappropriate. Kneeling during the anthem is defended because it promotes discussion. Well, you can’t argue with that…witness the discussion on this blog. However, that doesn’t’ make it right. Interupting a funeral eulogy in order to draw attention to pollution would also spark conversation…but it’s still disrespectful. That’s my view of this protest as well. I think the players are right on the topic but wrong to draw attention to themselves during a sacred time. It fails to show me and others the respect we deserve while practicing our traditions.

  68. Buc_The_World Says:

    See this is why this topic is so exhausting for minorities and people of color, we point out a problem and instead of trying to help solve the problem many white people change the narrative to make themselves the victim. First case in point no one said the police only kills or harass black people, black people are the only ones who don’t get justice majority of the time when they are killed. Some idiot on here said black people commit 50% of the crimes when the are only 6% of the population, educate yourself before you say something stupid. Many of the crimes they are doing time for white people don’t getting arrested for, like smoking weed or doing coke, Stealing a candy bar, speeding…etc. Usually when they are convicted of a real crime the evidence is minimal at best. Black men are targeted specifically because they know people like you don’t give a sh*t about black people being locked in privately owned prisons that make a profit off of them. If a white person was locked up and sent to a privately owned facility for smoking weed you would be in an uproar. How about affirmative action? That’s another victim card you play. It’s funny how certain people only complain the 2 or 3 black folks that are getting into to college or getting a job but not the 10 -15 white people who are under qualified getting it through outside means such as who they know or somebody doing a favor. How come you don’t complain about them? I hear a lot of people talking about they have black friends and they are not a racist, and maybe you are not a racist but you are exhibiting signs of racism by ignoring the rights of the minority. I have experienced racism more times than i can imagine. I was in the car with a white friend of mine when he got pulled over for speeding, the cop asked for my license and asked me to get out of the car and I wasn’t even driving. Once he realized I was in the Navy he left me alone. If he did that to me how many others did he do that to that wasn’t in the military? See you defenders of of these vile cops don’t care, it was in my past I should forget it right? Problem is I’m still black last time I checked, and as much as I would like to forget it, I am reminded by racists regularly. They biggest problem minorities face in the country is not the racists, but the ones who do nothing or make excuses for racism because they take the focus of the real problem and shift it away to some superficial bullsh*t.

  69. KYBUCFAN Says:

    @GhostofShiano

    I can already telly you are a ‘privilaged white’ male. You disgust me…

  70. KYBUCFAN Says:

    @Madmax

    Nice to quote stats that ‘confirm’ your stance, how about telling the whole story. Mention all the white male mass shooters we’ve had throughout the past few yrs. Mention the mostly white males cops that are following orders to racially profile young black males and throwing them in jail, mostly for non-violent crimes. Mention that most black males are prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law while white males guilty of the same crimes get a slap on the wrist. Too much social media out here now a days to not know anything about what is going on. Let the truth be known, you really don’t care because it doesn’t affect your white privileged a$$ or them spoiled rotten a$$ kids who grow up to be these same punk a$$ cops!!!

  71. GhostofSchiano Says:

    BushidoEvans Says:

    October 12th, 2017 at 10:33 pm

    @GhostofSchiano so being “difficult to arrest” = death? Firm logic guy.

    So we should just declare it a “rasslin” match and if the bad guy wina he can go on home all charges dropped….Yeah that will work.

    @KYBUCFAN….Yeah all that white privilege got me a sweet DD214, a tour in Somolia, Iraq and Afghanistan. I did not see your in bred @$$ there.

  72. KYBUCFAN Says:

    @TBTD

    How can you even say that!?! If you remember history or ‘his-story’ then we were brought here against our will, that is not our flag or anthem either! But you have some that wanna tell us go back where we came from… If that’s the case why the f**k were we brought here in the 1st place??? And truth be told white ppl are not from here either, they stole this land!!! SMMFH!!!

  73. KYBUCFAN Says:

    @GhostofShiano

    1st off you don’t even know me to call me names, but then again that jus what you punk @$$ internet bullies do, bet it be different story if i ever seen u in person.
    Secondly you damn right you didn’t see me there and you never will! Who i look like going to war for a country that doesn’t even acknowledge me as a human being!?!?!?! Hell according to the constitution i am only 3/4 of a man without a soul but imma go fight a war i didn’t start!?!?! GTFOH wit that!!! Your funny…and not worth my time!

 

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