Conspicuous Absence For Gerald McCoy
February 10th, 2017
Downgraded
Joe’s a vocal supporter of Gerald McCoy, who has legions of misguided haters.
Joe adeptly can defend the nonsense peddled by many, but it’s hard to argue against official NFL shoulder-pad sensors.
That’s right, shoulder-pad sensors.
Matt Harmon of NFL.com has been compiling all kinds of data from new technology tracking players last season.
It’s a great series, and the most recent entry broke down the NFL’s top-10 interior pass rushers.
… with the Next Gen Stats data gleaned from the tracking chips in the players’ shoulder pads, we are now able to objectively measure just how far away opposing pass rushers are from the quarterback when they look to deliver their passes. In the latest edition of the Next Gen Stats rankings, we’ll reveal the Top-10 2016 interior defensive lineman at creating pressure by their average raw yards of distance from the opposing quarterback at the time of the throw or sack.
Gerald McCoy did not make the top-10 list, which was as follows:
Aaron Donald (Rams)
Geno Atkins (Bengals)
Mike Daniels (Packers)
Dominique Easley (Rams)
Calais Campbell (Cardinals)
Fletcher Cox (Eagles)
Tom Johnson (Vikings)
Lawrence Guy (Ravens)
Joey Bosa (Chargers)
Jadeveon Clowney (Texans)
There also were a couple of honorable mentions listed and explained, but no McCoy or any Buccaneer.
Thought-provoking.
February 10th, 2017 at 2:03 pm
Sick’em DB,get’em Tmaxx..
February 10th, 2017 at 2:07 pm
I like seeing Calais Campbell on that list lol. The only defense I have for GMC is that he doesnt have any help inside to take pressure off of him. If the Bucs do go out and get a solid DT in free agency or draft a DT early and GMC still underperforms for what he is paid or the guy next to him out performs him, then maybe he could be on the trade block.
If trading him is in the plans of the near future tho, DT, to me, becomes the biggest need now lol.
February 10th, 2017 at 2:12 pm
why bother? I’ll just give joe credit for even posting this stat. I’m gonna sit back with my popcorn and read the f*ckery that is about to commence.
I’m not even gonna say I TOLD YOU SO!
#16mil
February 10th, 2017 at 2:15 pm
But I was told that Gino Atkins is NOT an upgrade to ice cream boy. Those stats MUST be wrong. I mean a TB Buc fan said so and we all know what geniuses they are. Especially those radio hosts in TB, they’re BRILLIANT!!!
February 10th, 2017 at 2:18 pm
Better find a way to draft Solomon Thomas. Cuz Jameis ain’t staying here to lose all the time.
February 10th, 2017 at 2:22 pm
If that ain’t the truth. And I like seeing Calais on that list also. Duke a animal man.
February 10th, 2017 at 2:23 pm
No… Trade provoking
February 10th, 2017 at 2:24 pm
Not a defender of GMC generally, but a couple things: (1) not all these guys are interior pass rushers (I count at least four ends), so something is off there; (2) this statistic strikes me as fairly useless generally, as evidenced by the fact that these people are using it to make the argument that Lawrence Guy, ye of the immortal 1 sack and 14 tackles in 2016, is in the top 10 in the NFL at pressuring the quarterback…
February 10th, 2017 at 2:26 pm
I mean seriously, while there is still some value. Lol
Damn it Jim.
February 10th, 2017 at 2:28 pm
Notice that no one from the NFC South is on the list.
February 10th, 2017 at 2:28 pm
This is my thought altho the sacks a season are nice their is more to the DT tackle position. To give you an example simply YouTube Calais highlights and don’t give me he’s a DE you will see plenty snaps from the DT position. See how disruptive Calais is.
February 10th, 2017 at 2:29 pm
For real for real Whata..
February 10th, 2017 at 2:30 pm
Speaking for Pablo
“This gives Pablo a great idea. Pablo can have a sensor installed in Pablo’s elongated arc…..then have them placed on Pablo’s table dance customers to see how close they get to Pablo’s arc. Currently, Pablo can only guess that the two closest are 87 and the Realist”
February 10th, 2017 at 2:32 pm
And I second that DB,props to Joe for even puttin this one out there. Knowing he favors that guy.
February 10th, 2017 at 2:40 pm
Ive said trade him for a minute now. His weak mentality is what it is all about. Helping dudes up and being all giggly with the competition. No dog in him at all. Just a huge human
February 10th, 2017 at 2:45 pm
Gmc is overrated
February 10th, 2017 at 2:46 pm
I got hammered on here awhile ago for suggesting we make #93 walk the plank……..
WALK IT!!!
that “special season” comment WHILE #3 & #58 are incensed at a “LOSING season”
Yea I got a problem with that!!!!!!!!
February 10th, 2017 at 2:47 pm
Guess the “leadership” stat was not counted!!!! LOL!!!!!!!!!!
February 10th, 2017 at 2:48 pm
Ha ha ha I bet he’s BEGGING the Glazers NOT to let coach Cox be hired…. Lmao
OK I’m done
February 10th, 2017 at 2:58 pm
All of this!!!!! Everything you guys just posted from the leader stat BAH! to begging for cox not to come.
I don’t really blame the GMC crowd bc I don’t really think the know how football is supposed to be played.
If you’ve never played football in the snow with frostbite then you prob don’t get it. It’s ALL ABOUT HEART!!!
February 10th, 2017 at 2:58 pm
What’s kinda standing out to me is I figured some of his defenders would have posted they’re rebuttals by now. Don’t make me type some of y’all names. You know I will.
February 10th, 2017 at 2:59 pm
Of course not. They have opinions that nvr match the facts. #AltFacts
February 10th, 2017 at 3:00 pm
Stand by your man I deal wit Dalvin hate everyday. You know what I’m game for battling that same hate everyday.
February 10th, 2017 at 3:06 pm
Is anyone really surprised? He’s slightly above average. Simple as that.
February 10th, 2017 at 3:06 pm
Not surprising, GMC is explosive off the ball but getting to the QB isn’t really his specialty. Gets held up more often than not.
February 10th, 2017 at 3:22 pm
The mentally weak, soft leader of the losing culture must go. Gmc is the worst kind of locker room cancer a quiter with a smile
February 10th, 2017 at 3:25 pm
Still with the excuses. I guess we need 4 pro bowlers on the line for McCoy to show up consistantly.
February 10th, 2017 at 3:30 pm
Can somebody call 620 and tell Hawaii to come post his retarded bs.
Hawaii:
“The sensors don’t know what play was called or what his responsibility is on each play”
“The sensors are ignorant idiot morons”
“The sensors prefer thugs that kick people in the balls.”
“The sensors can’t measure leadership on and off the field. These sensors are stupid idiots”
How did I do?
February 10th, 2017 at 3:31 pm
Any statistic which arrives at the conclusion that Lawrence Guy (14 tackles, 1 sack) is a top-10 pass rusher should be viewed with a healthy dose of skepticism.
February 10th, 2017 at 3:32 pm
Give me a break! Now we’re relying on chip technology to make assessments in football?!
We all have our opinions about GMC. I will simply state that, regardless of shoulder-pad chip technology, we are better with GMC than without.
SMH! Have we found Tupac’s killer yet?! They probably had Matt Ryan’s helmet bugged!!!
February 10th, 2017 at 3:33 pm
St Pete Buc:
Writes 18 paragraphs ending with “the sensors are not reliable”.
February 10th, 2017 at 3:34 pm
@DB- You didn’t use “idiot” enough!
February 10th, 2017 at 3:36 pm
I’m wearing aluminum foil over my Zubas at Bucs games from now on!!!
Are these sensors capable of telling the concession stand that I need a beer?!
February 10th, 2017 at 3:36 pm
Lmao #truestory
February 10th, 2017 at 3:38 pm
Have I mentioned that I love jbf? Always a good time except for when Hawaii is around.
February 10th, 2017 at 3:42 pm
JOE I noticed many of those listed names has playmakers working alongside of them. Which is the one thing McCoy needs to succeed more so than he already has. You take a starting front four of Calias Campbell, Gerald McCoy, Poe & Ayers rotate them with Jacques Smith, Clinton Mcdonald, Akeem Spence and Noah Spence and you will see a HUGE difference. Now your offensive line has to game plan for four players rather than two like they did this year. Campbell, McCoy, Poe and Campbell…..that would be a wrecking crew. AND with 72 million in Glazer loot this can be done.
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/2017/
February 10th, 2017 at 3:43 pm
I forgot to add Ayers to that list sorry.
Campbell, McCoy Poe and Ayers.
February 10th, 2017 at 3:47 pm
It has been so obvious McCoy’s entire career that he is a sub par pass rusher. He is better at stopping the run game.
February 10th, 2017 at 3:47 pm
Sensors? Ah the modern day football game….Is his door ajar? I bet he beeps when he backs up too!
February 10th, 2017 at 3:50 pm
Burg
He’s even worse against the run.
February 10th, 2017 at 3:50 pm
@OAR- I just thought of a great idea; whenever players whiff or make mistakes the Pac-man sound, Eeeeeeeeer-wont-wont should sound!!!
February 10th, 2017 at 3:57 pm
NosBos, you really don’t get that Joe is just toying with you, do ya. Joe’s a bigger supporter of GMC than even I am. Re-look at his last line: “but no McCoy or any Buccaneer”. Look at the TEAMS represented on the list, then look at the TEAMS who weren’t represented on the list: TEAMS like New England (#1 defense), Giants (#2 defense), Denver (#4 defense).
Ya NosBos, I’ll gladly stick up for GMC because without him the Bucs DLine as a unit wouldn’t have performed nearly as well in 2016 as they did. I admittedly haven’t taken the time to go through 2016 defensive snap counts, but I’d put money that GMC played more snaps as a DT than anyone on that list … by far. Every game he was out there for 75%-85% of the defensive snaps; that’s asking way too much of any DT when going every play against 300-350 lb OLinemen, and very often being double-teamed in the process.
February 10th, 2017 at 4:02 pm
Do they have a ghosting when it matters top 10?
Lol 9-7 and missing the playoffs is a special season
February 10th, 2017 at 4:08 pm
Def
Atkins – 794 – 70%
Donald – 829 – 76%
McCoy – 795 – 74%
February 10th, 2017 at 4:11 pm
@ghostoftedford. Can that defensive line of yours play WR too? And if have that line we don’t even need GMC anymore
February 10th, 2017 at 4:15 pm
@DB55 killing it right now lol
February 10th, 2017 at 4:17 pm
Exactly Pit. LoL. Its like they want a pro-bowl line to validate McCoy. To funny.
February 10th, 2017 at 4:17 pm
Pro Football Focus recently came out with their annual Top-101 players. Mike Evans is ranked 12th. Brent Grimes is ranked 43rd. Gerald McCoy is ranked 73rd. So GMC had the 73rd Highest Grade at PFF, that’s not bad. 73rd out of at least 1600 players.
February 10th, 2017 at 4:21 pm
Ghost is right on track!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Go Licht!!!!!
February 10th, 2017 at 4:21 pm
DB55, I love it. So the only one who had more snaps was Aaron Donald? And by the way, both Donald & Atkins played in 16 games … GMC had 15 (and really 14-plus because he missed a significant part of 1 game when he got injured). The point though was that GMC would probably rate much better (in terms of pressuring the QB, etc) IF we had another DT to rotate in with him and keep him ‘fresher’ later in the games. Folks keep bad-mouthing him, but without him how well would our DLine have performed as a unit? We win & lose as a TEAM, and without GMC this past year, that TEAM’s performance wouldn’t have been nearly as good as it was.
February 10th, 2017 at 4:27 pm
@ pit…..what part of $72 million in cap space did you not understand? More than enough to pick up at least 2 of the best WR’s out there A-N-D pick up Poe and Campbell. Did I mention 72 million dollars to be able to spend this Free Agency? (Save a few for draft picks etc) MORE than enough. No excuses Licht
February 10th, 2017 at 4:30 pm
Couch Fan Says:
February 10th, 2017 at 4:17 pm
Exactly Pit. LoL. Its like they want a pro-bowl line to validate McCoy. To funny.
NEGATIVE. Not to validate McCoy, but to win games. Play meaningful games in December. Be able to talk about the playoffs with real confidence. That’s what I want. Licht has the money now show us the honey.
February 10th, 2017 at 4:34 pm
Campbells current contract 9.5 million. Poe’s current contract 6.15 million. BUCS salary cap 72 million. 2017 “No Excuses”. That should be the fan base battle cry.
February 10th, 2017 at 4:40 pm
Of all that are on the list Kenny Britt looks like a steal. Current salary 4.5 million.
http://overthecap.com/free-agency/
So the FA targets combined current salary is 20.15 million.
MAKE IT HAPPEN LICHT!!!!!!
NO EXCUSES
February 10th, 2017 at 4:42 pm
A very comment provoking article joe. I am on to u lol, how close are we to 7 million hits yet?
@ ghost of tedford
I don’t think it would be wise to blow all of the cap space in a ” less than stellar” free agency class. Berry won’t hit the market, neither will Poe. I like tony Jefferson from Arizona tho. I am starting to lean towards the 2nd or 3rd tier free agents that don’t break the bank.
February 10th, 2017 at 4:44 pm
Def
Suh had 973. I didn’t post it at first cuz I thought it was a typo.
I sincerely believe the team would play better without McCoy. We don’t need a superstar but we def need a fighter in the trenches. Regrettably McCoy is more like Adrian Adonis than Stone Cold Steve Austin.
February 10th, 2017 at 5:15 pm
Combine this with the fact that Ira said yesterday that people around the league think the McCoy does not have good tape and this case is CLOSED. Average at best and the window for anyone else to take him off our hands is closed but then again I am not sure anyone in the league really would cause the tape don’t lie just watch and you will see average effort, average want to, average desire and an average player.
February 10th, 2017 at 5:19 pm
Lakeland PRR also said that shlep we got to play left tackle from the Bengals was a great left tackle. Yeah how did that work out, use the eyes in your head to watch and you will see a player who loves the fame, loves the money, loves the attention all over town and LIKES the game.
February 10th, 2017 at 5:27 pm
ndog…73rd highest graded player is quite the accomplishments. And he’s not graded on a few plays like Anthony Collins was. PFF graded him as the 73rd best player in the league, and he was picked for the Pro Bowl. This is not a Co-Incidence, these are cold facts. How many other Buc players can say that? Not your “America’s QB”…not your ” Kwon the Beast”. Only GMC and Mike Evans was picked for the Pro Bowl and made PFF Top-100.
February 10th, 2017 at 5:37 pm
Coaches and players alike praise Gerald McCoy. I think I’ll listen to the coaches and the players who really know football rather than a couple kids posting on Joe Bucs Fan lol
February 10th, 2017 at 5:40 pm
I posted a question on what we could get for GMC and OMG. I think its time to trade him. I see a injury filled season coming ESPECIALLY if we sign some DL help because he will be exposed. His numbers will not go up. Trade him now while we can get something for him. So i ask again…
What do you guys think we can get for him?
February 10th, 2017 at 5:42 pm
big serious….you would get a bottom ranked defense and a 5-11 record if you trade him.
February 10th, 2017 at 5:43 pm
Rob
You forgot “he’s always playing hurt” yet another excuse the fanboys use.
February 10th, 2017 at 5:44 pm
Lake
Doubtful. McDonald can fill in nicely.
February 10th, 2017 at 5:44 pm
And Anthony Collins never made PFF Top-100. He was graded on his performance as a backup LT for the Bengals. That’s a Huge difference in grades for a Full-Time player.
February 10th, 2017 at 5:54 pm
I’m pretty sure a pass rusher can be close to the QB, but be completely blocked, and a pass rusher can beat his man and still be farther away from the QB than the guy who was blocked. Interesting stat, yes, but not everything.
February 10th, 2017 at 5:57 pm
Many of those players are DE’s, not DTs.
February 10th, 2017 at 6:04 pm
Bucs aren’t getting their money’s worth it seems. To think the Bucs could’ve had Aaron Donald.
February 10th, 2017 at 6:09 pm
Joe Sac just here to get the knowledge and drop some every now and again. I don’t argue opinions.
When we first got GMC know it alls we had another DT from UCLA can’t remember his name but he was hurt when we got him. His family got killed in LA and he went into deep depression. He got into a fight with Mark Barron over a chair. Mark should of just gave him the chair being a rookie and dude family just dying. Anyway GMC and this dude wreak havoc up the middle but neither could stay healthy. Since then McCoy hasn’t had any pass rushing DT. That’s why we went after Clinton. Spence and Golston are 4 rounders we haven’t spent a first round on a Dline since Gerald. Gaines Adams and Clayborne we know their stories. McCoy was hurt but when he got healthy he never got help.
We don’t got a pass rush because we was cheap. Michael Bennett! After Bennett was let go the next year was the best FA pass rushing group that was ever assembled and what did we do? Nothing! Cliff Avril, Freeney, Abraham, Mario Williams, Cory Redding, Dumervil was seconds from signing with Denver again, DeMarcus Ware, etc. We missed out!
You flip floppers been talking that character issue locker room stuff in Tampa for years and we missed out on so many good players. Ala Marshawn Lynch in Buffalo. Incognito and y’all still doing it. SAC been saying for 6years I’m tired of getting PUNKED in the trenches.
Now that we got BEASTING and he brought some NASTY to the line which McCoy could never do nobody’s tripping off characters issues. Ayers made Dot get angry and that’s the nicest giant on the planet. We ran from that kind of energy for YEARS. If we get Campbell paired with Ayers, Clinton, Akeem, Golston, Noah and Jack who wouldn’t go in any dark alley in America with those MONSTERS. I’M TIRED OF GETTING PUNKED!
February 10th, 2017 at 6:22 pm
We don’t deserve a pass rush. In a draft filled with the best defensive pass rushers we go all offense. Oh yeah we did get Kwon huh. I wanted Aaron Donald but I think we needed Mike Evans in our current state. I wanted Rankins but I think we need HardGraves in our current state. We need a DT now but I think we need some other stuff first again so when is it time JOE.
February 10th, 2017 at 6:24 pm
@DB55 … “McDonald can fill in nicely.” Seriously? I like Macdonald as much as anyone, but he’s played in a total of 18 games (with 3.5 sacks total) in the last 2 seasons (56% availability). McCoy has played in & started 30 games (with 15 sacks) in the last 2 seasons (94% availability). Still convinced that McDonald can ‘fill in nicely”?
February 10th, 2017 at 6:34 pm
What a big surprise….not.
February 10th, 2017 at 6:40 pm
No surprise here. I have said many times, what made sapp so special is the amount of havoc he caused with or without a sack . The amount of havoc he caused with or without rice playing along side of him. Mccoy is not that. Five of mccoys sacks were on blitz plays. He is relatively invisible when double teamed. When sapp played, the bucs rarely blitzed but he was in the backfield causing havoc with or without rice eventhough he was double teamed. Mccoy is a good player but he is not great. This stat proves it.
February 10th, 2017 at 6:48 pm
$acbucs$…you mean Brian Price..The big wimp who stole Mark Barron during a team meeting.
February 10th, 2017 at 7:22 pm
What webster just said. Matter of fact exactly what he just said.
February 10th, 2017 at 7:27 pm
Def rules
Yes I do.
February 10th, 2017 at 7:35 pm
How many quarterbacks JUST avoid a sack, scramble out of the pocket THEN THEY THROW THE BALL!!!
And D end on that list as well. Stupid….
We would be the team with an excellent DT and want him gone.
February 10th, 2017 at 8:27 pm
I watch the games, not look at a stat sheet. McCoy is one of the most overrated players in the entire league. Once in a while he gets a good jump and flies through the line and makes the play, but more often than not, he flies through the line and gets way too deep and isn’t agile enough to make the play.
Look at it this way, why is it that he always gets his best penetration on run plays? Teams know that all they have to do is let him come flying through and he opens up great running lanes. Do you ever see him get that kind of movement on a passing down? No. His one good play this year was on Conte’s pick in the Chiefs game, and guess what, he was two or three yards back from the line of scrimmage and tipped the pass. It was a GOAL LINE passing situation and he was pushed back THREE yards!
Get out of here with this crap about this team losing if it weren’t for Gerald McCoy, they’ve been losing almost every year that he’s been on the roster. In fact if I’m not mistaken, the year we won 10 games he was injured for most of that year.
Think realistically here people, I would rather trade him for a 2nd or 3rd round pick than watch him collect another $14 million dollars for sub-par play.
February 10th, 2017 at 8:40 pm
Hell, I don’t know, but let me ask these questions. How many were “leaders” on their teams and leaders in the communities? How many were fan favorites? How many had just stats and how many were the “X factor”? How many were factors in their teams’ records. Don’t believe everything you read (especially if it comes from the 9th Circus Court…sorry, had to throw that in).
February 10th, 2017 at 8:48 pm
Wow. It never ceases to fail me how bad some of our fans are so blind.
GMC is currently a top shelf DT in the NFL. Not the best, but top shelf. Not a hall of famer, but a very good tackle that we should be grateful to have on the team. Remember the last (pretty much) home-grown “very good” d-lineman we had – we let him walk, Michael Bennett. He’s good, very good.
This year GMC was third in the league in sacks with seven. Second place was Aaron Donald (8), and first was Geno Atkins (9). Not bad company
He’s 15th in tackles among tackles (including NTs) – not a true stuffer, but a solid producer.
Teams game-plan for him.
He’s not your game breaker play maker extraordinaire (think Warren Sapp/John Randall) -but he’s very good. People need to realize that he’s our best DLine-man, and despite the fact that over the past few years we’ve done everything we could to shore-up our line, and we STILL can’t draft or sign a FA that’s as good or better as GMC.
Always appreciate the good players you have, and then hope we acquire more of them.
February 10th, 2017 at 8:55 pm
NosBos is webster’s sidekick now because they agreed on a topic.
February 10th, 2017 at 9:50 pm
Lol, so hilarious. Joe types up some bait click article for the haters. Now they are in a big circle jerk telling each other how brilliant they are. Grab the tissues fellas its gonna get messy! They are just so gullible.
February 10th, 2017 at 11:40 pm
So based on these stats Gmc is either not as disruptive as you are begging fans to believe or he’s the only d tackle in the league teams gameplan for and double team. But to be fair at least based on the list shown that’s a short list, no jpp or cam wake or Michael Bennet.
February 11th, 2017 at 1:27 am
I’m curious to know what the average of interior lineman is………Also curious to know how DE’s play a factor in the interior rush. Seems to me like there are a lot of variables that aren’t being taken into consideration.
February 11th, 2017 at 2:17 am
People have differing opinions about GMC the mob can get over it. Plain and simple.
February 11th, 2017 at 7:24 am
GMC STANDS FOR GERALD MCCOY CARES
February 11th, 2017 at 8:27 am
Domonique Beasley (next to A. Donald) and Calais Campbell are 4th & 5th on the list respectively & free agents. No doubt the players next to you can affect your production. Get a stud next to GMC and he BETTER improve!
February 11th, 2017 at 9:04 am
This post has got to be an early April Fool’s Joke! They should take that chip, turn it side ways, shine it up real good…..and shove it up all GMC Haters Asses, that way when the chip goes beep,….they will know that the reason for playing the game is to get a sack not a pressure!!!But Continue to Build A Wall….but not in Mexico ….dumb ass!
February 12th, 2017 at 12:50 am
GERALDINE
February 12th, 2017 at 7:19 am
The reason why the list above has zero credibility is because no one on the list has been to more probowls than McCoy…Sign Dontari Poe, put him next to McCoy and I guarantee he’ll get double digit sacks every year teams can’t double and triple team him every game….
February 12th, 2017 at 8:17 am
almost only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades…
So we dont almost have a really solid DT who changes the way teams play us…
WE DO HAVE ONE!!!!
Donkeys are gonna do what donkeys do… Some of you are excellent examples of just that…. Heehaww
February 12th, 2017 at 8:19 am
This list is a list of ALMOST… What a joke… Do the get a cookie or and extra million for being on it???
February 12th, 2017 at 11:55 pm
Mccoy is hit or miss. He has a great quick step off the line, but that can hurt him as much as it helps him. Sometimes he washes himself out of a play because if how he plays. Other times he is in perfect position. I will nonlinger put McCoy in the top 5 DT lists like he was in years past. But he is still a good player. I see no reason to get rid of a good player. Not when we have a ton of other needs and a gigantic amount of salary cap space already to work with.
February 13th, 2017 at 7:39 am
Haynes your clueless lol