Koetter: Speed Need Extends To Returner

January 6th, 2017
Will the Bucs find more juice?

Juice needed

Winning coach Dirk Koetter has not been shy about expressing his team’s needs since the final bell rang on the 2016 season.

Fans paying attention know Koetter has talked about adding speed for his offense to get more explosive plays. The Bucs had a ton of those in 2015, per their in-house definition, but far less in 2016.

But Koetter verbally broadened the speed-need chatter during a visit to the Buccaneers Radio Network.

The head coach said more speed at “returner” is a goal, too. Joe assumes Koetter mean punt and kick returner.

Adam Humphries is a superior punt catcher and was good there this season. Among guys with 10 or more punt returns, Humphries ranked 10th in the NFL with an average of 9.9 yards per return.

But Humphries was not dangerous. And with the Bucs having the very best third-down defense in the NFL, it was a shame they couldn’t muster more dangerous returns.

Humphries only had two returns of 20+ yards in 24 tries. He called for 22 fair catches, among the most in the NFL.

Remember, general manager Jason Licht went out and drafted a returner, Kaelin Clay, in the sixth round of the 2015 NFL Draft. Clay was waived after training camp and picked up by Detroit before landing in Baltimore. He spent this season on injured reserve.

At kick returner, well, the Bucs were flat out bad there this season. Ryan Smith had no juice, and Josh Huff was a weapon — for opponents.

It’ll be interesting to see if the Bucs can find a speed threat at returner as they hopefully load up on receiver talent.

105 Responses to “Koetter: Speed Need Extends To Returner”

  1. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    Josh Huff?

  2. The Buc Realist Says:

    Speed will be one of the top need!!! and all area’s will be looked at for upgrades!!! WR, TE, kickreturner, RB will all be looked as for area’s to improve!!!!!

    Amazing how many are satisfied with the TE roster?????

  3. Nole on Sat- Bucc on Sun Says:

    Well seeing as how there are count’em a WHOPPING 3 Aggies 😮 on this football team now, maybe FSU can retake the lead with of course Dalvin #1 but also Kermitt Whitfield in the 4th??? Return game issues solved.

  4. Nole on Sat- Bucc on Sun Says:

    Joe Koetters comments don’t resonate with many here at JBF. When Coach K speaks of adding speed and explosive players they hear and translate that as “fix the wall”..

  5. Erik w/ Clean Athletics 'The Kwon Alexander of Bucs Fans' Says:

    Add Dalvin Cook, Terrelle Pryor, (maybe) Josh Gordon, and Dede Westbrook in Round 2 of draft and we have Elite speed and athleticism at all the offensive skill positions.

    Those additions = many Superbowl titles.

    NoSBoS, u have to come around to Pryor bro.

    I promise he is going to be an elite receiver soon.

  6. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    Here’s your Juice Joe

    Janarion Grant – KR/PR/WR
    • Kick Returns (Career)
    • Kickoff Returns: 103
    • Kickoff Return Yards: 2606
    • Kickoff Return Yards Per Return: 25.3
    • Kickoff Return Yards Touchdowns:5

    Janarion Grant Rutgers Hightlights
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taGDb0pxoCs

  7. Buc1987 Says:

    The never ending quest to find a solid KR continues…

  8. Architek Says:

    Our franchise as a whole seems to be allergic to acquiring speed.

  9. 813bucboi Says:

    I hear dirk….against the panthers when the kicker missed that fg attempt at the end of the half, if hump had any kind of speed he would’ve scored….GO BUCS!!!

  10. Miko Says:

    I think a dependable hands guy like Humphries is far more important than some twit fumbling or unwilling to catch the ball and let it bounce….but a guy like McCaffrey in the draft could solve a lot of the Bucs issues…

  11. Nole on Sat- Bucc on Sun Says:

    For you E I’ll officially start aiming in that direction bro.

  12. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    Last year I pounded the rock for us to draft …

    Jakeem Grant – WR/KR/PR

    This year…

    Janarion Grant – KR/PR/WR

    Any Relation?

  13. Waterboy Says:

    Cordarrelle Patterson

  14. LUVMYBUCS Says:

    Janarion Grant (Career Punt Return Stats)
    • Punt Returns: 42
    • Punt Return Yards: 480
    • Punt Return Yards Per Return: 11.4
    • Punt Return Yards Touchdowns: 3

  15. Mike Evans GOAT Says:

    Get the cb from lsu tradavious white. This kid is a shut down corner and a great returner. And because of this year’s ultra deep class of cb he will be there in the 2nd round. He was the top rated cb for last year’s draft but he didn’t come out.

  16. Lord Cornelius Says:

    I don’t think this is as big a deal honestly. KR is not as valuable as it used to be with the NFL rule changes. There will likely never be another Devin Hester type run by anyone.

    We need speed on offense. We need a YAC monster who can be our KR/PR; and we’d likely see that pay off on PR more than KR.

    Realist – I agree on TE. My dream scenario for the offensive weapons right now is to sign Pierre Garcon (immediate #2), draft OJ Howard TE round 1 (hopefully after moving back), and then Dede Westbrook round 2, with a RB in the mid to late rounds.

    I just wonder if we’d actually use a lot of 2 TE sets. We didn’t do it with ASJ & other TEs when we had him

  17. cmurda Says:

    Meh. Kick returner should be the lowest on the totem pole for needs. First of all, the NFL has made kick returning a lost art with their BS kicking from the 35 yd line. Practically all kicks land in the end zone. It’s very far and few between that kick returners have an opportunity to make an impact. Punt returns are still important but Hump was just fine in that regard. He had a very nice return against the Stank Panthers.

    In the middle of my post here I just peeked and saw that I’m spouting the same thing as Lord C so I’ll just echo his comments.

  18. Waterboy Says:

    @Lord Cornelius
    I agree that KR isn’t really an important position any longer with all of the rule changes. That’s exactly why I like Cordarrelle Patterson he has 4.3 speed and decent size and can line up at WR and return kickoffs.

  19. Lord Cornelius Says:

    “hat’s exactly why I like Cordarrelle Patterson he has 4.3 speed and decent size and can line up at WR and return kickoffs.”

    He’s a guy I liked for that role as well. Did he return punts as well?

    I drafted him early in fantasy a few years ago because he was supposed to break out big time but his route running never developed and he’s been limited to a gadget role player at best.

    If we got John Ross or Dede Westbrook we wouldn’t really have the need for a Patterson technically

  20. 813bucboi Says:

    @realist….bucky hodes and Jeremy sprinkle….GO BUCS!!!!

  21. Pete Mitchell Says:

    Everyone is going to get tired of me saying this but… Rodney Adams in the fourth may not be a bad choice. He has the ability to take it to house on returns and has proven to be a guy that can take a 10 yard pass fourty yards downfield.

  22. DB55 Says:

    Don’t worry coach “it’s early” and we just signed the second best WR in the cfl.

  23. LakeLandBuc Says:

    Today is the 1st anniversary of Lovie receiving his infamous phone call. I would pay anything to have seen his facial expression.

  24. Waterboy Says:

    “I drafted him early in fantasy a few years ago because he was supposed to break out big time but his route running never developed and he’s been limited to a gadget role player at best.”

    I also agree that Patterson needs work in his route running skills but I honestly don’t think Minnesota’s dink and dunk offense fits his skillset. Bridgewater is a dink and dunk QB and I read just last night that Bradford lead the league with a 71% completion percentage but ranked 17th for QB’s with the most passes for 1st downs. Long story short he’s not a downfield passer.

    I’d definitely still like to see them draft a young guy at WR but Patterson should come fairly cheap (#2 or #3 WR pay) and can fill multiple roles.

  25. Ricky Bobby Says:

    Carin Isles

  26. ndog Says:

    Erik with clean, the whole league (players) seems to dislike Pryor not sure why but there must be something there. Not sure if he is a good dude.

  27. Ras Says:

    Ryan Swittzer is one of best Punt returners in college and is also a pretty good slot receiver. He would bring speed and shiftiness.

  28. Waterboy Says:

    @ndog
    I’m hoping they still sign him as long as they’re not committing to a lot of guaranteed money. If he causes problems send him packing.

  29. DB55 Says:

    For all those concerned about character. I’m positive you’ve never been in a locker room. I hate most of you choir Boy seekers. You should follow soccer instead.

    https://www.yahoo.com/sports/news/in-order-to-get-down-and-dirty-in-pittsburgh-dolphins-need-volatile-suh-to-dominate-000053033.html

  30. That Guy Eric w/ Clean Athletics is wrong Says:

    *****[Add Dalvin Cook, Terrelle Pryor, (maybe) Josh Gordon, and Dede Westbrook in Round 2 of draft and we have Elite speed and athleticism at all the offensive skill positions.

    Those additions = many Superbowl titles.

    NoSBoS, u have to come around to Pryor bro.

    I promise he is going to be an elite receiver soon.]*****

    @Eric, Every single one of those players has baggage. Hell, Westbrook has been arrested twice on domestic charges. No Thanks. I think most logical bucs fans will agree that we need to draft a Stud O-lineman, and If we haven’t already signed a safety in free agency, then draft a safety in the second round. If you would like a playmaking RB , Marlon Mack should be available in rounds 3 or 4 .

  31. Supersam Says:

    Christian McCaffrey is a superb returner, plus a runningback. Just sayin. (Wink) (wink) Licht.

  32. go for the face30 Says:

    Jesus Christ FSU fans we get it – you want Dalvin Cook. Quit posting about it every single chance you get you Psychos

  33. Waterboy Says:

    Dalvin Cook won’t even be around at 19 and is not worth it to trade up for a RB. He’ll be the 1st RB of the board and probably won’t make it out of the top 10. I’d take him at 19 but can’t see him falling that far unless something happens before the draft.

  34. Stpetebucsfan Says:

    Realist

    Amazing how many are satisfied with the TE roster?????

    I’m not sure anybody is satisfied with ANY positions on this roster except perhaps QB and maybe LB but depth at those positions is also a question.

    It’s not that I”m “satisfied” but I do not consider TE a pressing need. To avoid the “White Men Can’t Jump” syndrome let’s just talk about a positions production. ASJ looks like the prototypical superstar “type” at tight end. But he was Tarzan playing like Jane. Brate is not the biggest, fastest, sexiest TE that’s for sure.

    But he freaking produces. He was the 14th ranked TE in the league last year and if you start running down the stats you’ll see besides the obvious lead in TD’s he fares well in other categories.

    We have Brandon Myers who can catch the ball as well. We have Stocker to block. Could we be better…yep. Outside of QB where can’t we get better?

    But TE and WR do not scare me as much as RB…and I like Quizz.

    These are not bad players!!! Joe describes them correctly as very soid dependable players who don’t scare people with break away speed.

    So…let’s get some speed…it doesn’t have to be at TE…if it is great but I’m not worried about it.

    It would be fun to have a star running back who doesn’t constantly get hauled down from behind.

  35. Lord Cornelius Says:

    I read just last night that Bradford lead the league with a 71% completion percentage but ranked 17th for QB’s with the most passes for 1st downs. Long story short he’s not a downfield passer.”

    Lol i read the same thing last night and you have a point. Patterson has never had a QB that throws down the field and it could pay huge dividends when he does.

    Before last year started some people laughed at me when I thought Mike Wallace could be a sleeper WR; simply because he was going to a QB who can and will push it downfield. But look what happened – he had his first 1000 yard season since 2011.

    He had some decent years in Miami with Tannehil; but his best seasons have been with Roeth & Flacco; while his worst season by far was with Bridgewater. He only had 459 yards & 2 TDs with Bridgewater on 72 targets. As a rookie with Big Ben he had 756 yards & 6 TDs with the exact same amount of targets. Same amount of catches; but he averaged almost double the yardage per catch with Ben.

  36. Bucsfanman Says:

    That statement sums it up for me Stpete. IMO there’s not a single position that couldn’t use an upgrade or significant depth. Personally, I would like to see us draft WR or, wait for it NOSBOS, if he falls to us Dalvin Cook. Either way we need some “big play” capability. Give Jameis some weapons.

  37. Nole on Sat- Bucc on Sun Says:

    Would be fun indeed St.Pete. Ya see go for gototheface what ever the h3ll you might wanna find another site dude. I’ll be sounding the draft Dalvin Cook horn ALL.SUMMER.LONG.

  38. Nole on Sat- Bucc on Sun Says:

    Fanman for Christ sake just get Fameis some weapons.

  39. Nole on Sat- Bucc on Sun Says:

    O line??? Check the O line Dalvin had to run behind this sophmore city. Great RBs don’t require league best O line. All they require is an ocassional crack in the line. And just like that BAM they’re gone. Every hear I see Shaddy McCoy running in the open field. EVERY year!

  40. Bucsfanman Says:

    Amen brother! Amen!

  41. Shadow man Says:

    Agree ndog

  42. Nole on Sat- Bucc on Sun Says:

    There’s really good and then there’s Special. Whether he actually ends up a Buc or not. This dude is going to be recognized as Special.

  43. Nole on Sat- Bucc on Sun Says:

    And I define Special by cats who make it appear effortlessly easy. Randy Moss,Marshall Faulk,Barry Sander,Tom Brady, etc etc etc.

  44. Stpetebucsfan Says:

    NOSBOS

    Did Walter Football read your mind or have you been reading Walter Football?

    I loved Marshall Faulk and here is what Walter FB says about Cook among other things…

    Cook somewhat reminds me of Marshall Faulk with his speed, athleticism and versatility.

  45. Pickgrin Says:

    SPBF says:
    ” I do not consider TE a pressing need”

    You are underestimating the impact that a dynamic TE talent would have on this offense.

    Brate is a great story and the young Ivy leaguer is overachieving his a$$ off – making lots of great catches – but a lot of Brate’s unexpected success is due to #3 and the “chemistry” they have developed since coming into the league together 2 years ago.

    Get a Gronk or a Travis Kelce type athlete on the roster and watch Winston instantly become a top 5 QB. Jameis LOVES throwing to TEs and is at his best throwing 10-20 yards down the middle of the field.

    Acquiring a dynamic and dominant athelete/playmaker at TE would perhaps do more to improve the productivity of the Bucs offense than any other single addition IMO.

    Koetter definitely likes a 2 TE set if he has the right players and that also plays to Winston’s strengths as well. Brandon Myers as your #2 TE ain’t nearly good enough and that position needs to be upgraded one way or another.

  46. Pickgrin Says:

    And NOS-BOS – thanks for the warning that you are going to continue to annoy us with persistent “Get Dalvin Cook at any cost” talk for the next 4 months….

    Dude – I’m an FSU fan and have watched Cook play for the last 3 years. I get it. He’s a special player. Warrick Dunn++

    But you have to face the reality that in today’s game, a RB is almost never worth the type of resources we would have to pay to draft him. Especially considering the # of needs that this team currently has.

    If we were picking #7 or 8 this year – then yea – I would be very excited about the realistic possibility of drafting Dalvin Cook. But the reality is we are picking 19th and Cook is highly unlikely to get out of the top 10.

    If you look at the draft trade chart it would take approximately our 1st, 2nd and 4th round picks packaged together in order to move up 10 spots to draft Cook.

    Sorry dude – but that ain’t happening.

    Short of Cook screwing up royally at the Combine or getting hurt or a DUI or something, the chances of Cook becoming a Buccaneer anytime in the next 5 years are slim to none.

    Maybe in a few years – once rookie contracts are up, we can orchestrate an FSU skill position reunion of sorts with some combo of Kelvin Benjamin, Rashad Green and Cook all wanting to come play with Winston again once they hit free agency. Hell maybe even Jalen Ramsey and Cam Irving would come join the party…..

  47. SOEbuc Says:

    John Ross if Corey Davis (maybe JuJu) aint around. Good WR and KR.

  48. Stuart Laake Says:

    Eric Weems?

  49. Nole on Sat- Bucc on Sun Says:

    I hadn’t St.Pete but I plan to find it and check it out Good Sir. And Pick only when the topic comes up bro.

  50. USFBUC Says:

    Dalvin Cook

    We don’t have to trade this years draft away to get Cook. We just have to trade away the future draft picks.

  51. Blake_bucsfan Says:

    @LuvmyBucs LOLOLOL did you even watch the games dude? Huff was a walking travesty at returner. He personified the literal definition of liability. So much so that they had to pull him for Ryan Smith.

  52. Nole on Sat- Bucc on Sun Says:

    USF they are aware they just choose to act like Bubba from Forest Gump.

  53. Nole on Sat- Bucc on Sun Says:

    And St.Pete he just so happened to go 28th overall in the draft.

  54. Blake_bucsfan Says:

    @Pickgrin Thank god someone else said it. I’m getting so sick of seeing that dudes name in the comment section.

    And I think you said the most damning thing about Cook you can say without even realizing the weight of your words., He is Warrick Dunn+ 100 percent through and through. NosBos seems to have fallen and struck his head on a rock, because he thinks he looks like Marshall Faulk. I see Warrick Dunn, and that’s why I would pass on him even if he was still there At 19.

    Also agree with you 100 percent about getting an Explosive seem destroyer at tight end. Anyone with Half a brain, especially those who call themselves fans of FSU football should know that Jameis Loves his tight ends.

    And lucky for us there is a damned good one that just might be there at 19, O.J. Howard out of Alabama is a straight up beast, and he’s the first TE in years that scouts say is both the best reciever/blocker at his position. Would love to get him.

    Check it.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztXxH5bRgCk

    Small highlight tape

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RO29ZgeynR0

    In depth film review.

  55. yrbndr Says:

    Pickgrin has it right… Cook is very good we get it! For us to move up to get him would hurt the team as they would not be able to get more important additions. Nole on… it isn’t about about getting the most noles on the roster! Its about what is best for the team! Love your passion though!

  56. USFBUC Says:

    Nole on Sat – I feel like the team is really just a few key pieces away from being a playoff team. I am hoping the management and ownership go for it now while we are young. The Browns and the Titans have two picks each in the first round so we might be able to get them to part with one of those picks.

    The Titans might be willing to part with the 5th pick as their needs can be addressed later in the first round and we give them a future first plus some later round picks for added value.

    The Browns I would approach with an exchange of their 12th for our 19th in the first, their 1st for our 19th in the second for some future picks or late round picks. The 5th pick would land Cook in his proper NFL home and the 12th could land us Mike Williams or worst case our choice between Corey Davis/John Ross.

  57. USFBUC Says:

    Blake – NosBos isn’t the only comparing Cook to famous RBs, hell I’ve even read somebody comparing him to Barry Sanders.

  58. Nole on Sat- Bucc on Sun Says:

    Cook is Dunn++ now that’s a crock [email protected]$! If I heard it. Again someone maybe you Blakester can tell who our starting RB will be for 2017??? Corey Davis, check I’m gonna knock the kid but if you really feel he would be of greater importance come draft night you’re smokin rocks. Last I check we do have a starting #1 WR. And told you @$$holes last week scroll pass when you see me. But you can’t help yo self gotta sneak and what’s on that NOSBOS don’t you. Welcome to Tampa Mr. DALVIN CAPITOL [email protected]$! who don’t like it.

  59. Nole on Sat- Bucc on Sun Says:

    I just been ridin for my G up until this point but since I see it bothers you hateful [email protected]$!as. Ima really give him to you from now on.

  60. Blake_bucsfan Says:

    That may be, but by my estimate NosBos is the most Vocal and annoying Dalvin Fanboy.

    And I just don’t see what all the hype is about. He’s kinda fast and has a lot of production in college, Big whoop. College Stats don’t mean Jack. What matters is what you put on film. And personally I’m not that impressed with Dalvin Cooks Film.

    In my estimation there a quite few players that should be valued over Dalvin, both on Offense and Defense.

  61. Joe Says:

    And I just don’t see what all the hype is about. He’s kinda fast and has a lot of production in college, Big whoop. College Stats don’t mean Jack. What matters is what you put on film. And personally I’m not that impressed with Dalvin Cooks Film.

    Not sure if the Bucs should draft Dalvin Cook or not but if you are not impressed with the kid, not sure what you are looking for in a running back? All the guy does is produce. He can run and he can catch.

    Again, not sure the Bucs should draft Cook. But for Joe, the guy checks every box there is. What is there that is not impressive?

  62. USFBUC Says:

    Blake who do you think/what position should we be drafting? Also understand that I am not advocating just drafting Cook. I want to see us sell out our late round picks (which typically amount to bench warmers or camp meat) this year and the next two years along with our first round picks for the next two years to land first round talent this year.

    We need a high first to land Cook, we can land a top WR or Howard at 19, and I want another first to go after either Pocic or whatever we didn’t get with the pick at 19. I think we can get it done.

  63. Blake_bucsfan Says:

    Lol look at Nosbos, He doesn’t understand that Offenses need more than one legit target to spread the field. And that Tremendous Value can be found in later rounds at the running back position. How terribly droll.

    Dirk Koetter Runs a Four Verticals offense my friend, and you need more than one horse to run it effectively. The majority of Passing concepts effectiveness in this specific brand of offense, are completely blown up when multiple defenders are able to key in on the one guy thats actually a threat.

    Essentially, If defenses succeed in shutting down Mike, the passing game comes to a halt. Because we don’t have the horse’s to take advantage of the double teams on Mike.

    Koetter has stated it multiple times, this very Article references it dude.

    We NEED receivers with Speed.

    When those Speedy receivers are also Scrappy AF, AND have great hands/ups, like Corey Davis, then that is a dude you go after.

    Haven’t heard Koetter express his dire need for a Stud Rb0, other than him saying that he wants Quizz to comeback. So yeah I’m gonna go with Coach K on this one boi.

  64. Blake_bucsfan Says:

    Joe, Lee, Whoever may have responded to me… What I’ve ascertained from the tape I’ve seen of Dalvin cook , and my lack of enthusiasm regarding him, boils down to my perception that on at least 70 percent of his big runs he’s hitting wide open holes, and running wild on exceedingly crappy defenses.

    Kinda like watching Mid 90’s Emmitt Smith Highlights( absolutely not a knock on Emmit Smith), But I just don’t get the sense that he is the main one responsible for his production. I don’t see him do anything that gets me rev’d up. Honest to god Joe, The most common sentiment I felt while watching Cooks Highlight was probably ” my god that was terrible tackling.”

    Sorry If you’re a fan of him, I’m just not one to gawk over gaudy numbers.

  65. Blake_bucsfan Says:

    @UsfBuc

    Without going into to too much detail. My current list of desired prospects in this.

    In no particular order: Corey Davis, O.J. Howard, Jabrill Peppers, Dede Westbrook(High second round/Late first if we trade down), Leonard Fournette (Prefer him to Cook, but unless he takes a slide we would need to trade up, and I dont want that), Mike Williams( even less unrealistic than Fournette tbh), D’onta Foreman(second roiund). And thats All I have now, gotta keep digging, but from what I’ve read/ watched all these kids have boat loads of potential.

  66. Nole on Sat- Bucc on Sun Says:

    Just getting around to your post USF. That’s intelligence you speaking bro. SALUTE.

  67. Nole on Sat- Bucc on Sun Says:

    Dude you make yo self sound so stupid even Joe has to chime inn.

  68. Blake_bucsfan Says:

    At least I know how to read and comprehend peoples words dude.

  69. Blake_bucsfan Says:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgGCLCBwzHU

    More up to date O.J. Howard Highlight tape for those interested.

  70. Blake_bucsfan Says:

    Kid has a Jimmy Graham-esque Body, but is a freakin Dog that gets down and dirty in the Run game. Kid will block his butt off all game long, and constantly man handles SEC defensive ends.

  71. USFBUC Says:

    Blake – I’m not impressed with Peppers and I was turned off of Fournette because of his nagging injuries. Foreman is an interesting pick if we can’t land Cook along with Perine who just broke APs rushing record at OU as late round picks. The other guys I agree with.

    Just looked at the trade chart and our first next year along with this years 5, 6, 7 round picks is more value than the Titans pick is worth at 18. That could give us the 18 and 19th picks.

  72. Blake_bucsfan Says:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wl3EAGuIZLs

    Holy Crap, I just stumbled onto this video, Solomon Thomas Dt outta stanford, I’ve watched a 4 minute video of him and already love him 10x more than Dalvin Cook. Not Sure if he’s coming out this year, but wow. This Kid looks mean, probably as talented as a young Gerald Mccoy, but he plays angry.

  73. Joe Says:

    D’onta Foreman(second roiund

    Seems like a bowling-ball type of runner with breakaway speed. Not sure of his catching ability.

    (Hint: If you can’t catch, defenses can sniff out a play right away. That’s one reason why Payton Barber didn’t get many snaps. That, and he can’t yet pass block.)

  74. Blake_bucsfan Says:

    @Joe You’re correct that Foreman isn’t know as a Receiving back, but here’s a stat of his I think you may like. Whilst in pass pro this year, 160 Snaps worth of play D’onta Foreman gave up nary a sack.

  75. Blake_bucsfan Says:

    And if I was forced give an NFL comp for Foreman, it would have a to be Legarrete Blount. Only on the field that is Joe. And As Rob Ayers would say, Blount has been beasting this year.

  76. Blake_bucsfan Says:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/5fiy2m/texas_hb_donta_foreman_hasnt_allowed_a_sack_in/

    Here’s where I found the stat Joe.

  77. Blake_bucsfan Says:

    @ USFBUC

    I respect your opinion my dude, but i gotta disagree with you on Jabrill Peppers, looks like a stud to me.

    Screams Earl Thomas to me, And he add’s a LOT of Juice to the return team. In addition to playing with tremendous Energy.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H10s6uTAgC8

  78. Blake_bucsfan Says:

    A lot of that video is speculative, but still very interesting and showcases his incredible ability.

  79. Eric Says:

    Jeff Demps is a free agent.

    No one faster.

  80. Joe Says:

    Good stuff Blake.

  81. Blake_bucsfan Says:

    Thanks Joe, what can I say I love the game of football, and I’m absolutely addicted to all things Buc.

  82. Blake_bucsfan Says:

    And that means a lot Joe, I enjoy these chats my brother, I’ve been coming to this site for years now, and I’m a huge fan.

    Keep doing what you do man. We all appreciate it.

  83. Pickgrin Says:

    How is saying Warrick Dunn ++ any type of put down??

    if I knew 100% that Cook would exceed Dunn’s productivity in the NFL – I’d be ready to trade up for him no prob.

    Dunn had 12 mostly injury free years in the league and accounted for over 15,000 yards.

    Only 21 RBs in NFL history ran for more yards – and only 14 RBs in NFL history had more total yards.

    A guarantee of that kind of productivity and durability would obviously be worth multiple draft picks. But RB is the most likely position to get hurt – especially over time. And RB is also the easiest position on an NFL field to find quality players in later rounds. So of course, since there are no such guarantees and Cook has already shown that he is not immune to injury – its just not a position you invest the kind of resources that it would take for us to get a Dalvin Cook.

  84. Blake_bucsfan Says:

    PickGrin In his 5 year tenure in Tampa, Warick Dunn Averaged 3.8 yards per carry, and only amassed 17 touchdowns. Granted he was better for a couple years in Atlanta, but all in all he was a very mediocre back.

    In his 11 years he generated 49 scores, an average of 4.45 a year.

    Like I said I don’t like Cooks tape, it’s funny but I’ve compared him to Dunn before tonight in negative light, and think that Dalvin’s ceiling in the Nfl is serviceable starter, and his Floor is a bust. Depending how bad the team is that drafts him.

    I don’t claim to be a medium, or a fortune teller, but I did go on record stating that Todd Gurleys rookie year was an anomaly, and that he’s nothing special.
    Not related at all but you know what? I trust my Eyes, and my Eyes tell me that Dalvin will go down as a great Seminole, but will have a very Mediocre Nfl career.

  85. Blake_bucsfan Says:

    oh wait you’re right it was 12 years, so his average was 4.08 td’s per year. Even more pedestrian.

  86. Blake_bucsfan Says:

    Frack didn’t take into his receiving score, which bring him up just over 5 a year at 5.33

    which is better but still pretty standard fare for an average starting nfl Hb

  87. USFBUC Says:

    I should have stated that differently about Peppers, I’m not as impressed by him as a safety. Only having one interception in his career seems to be a flag. As an athlete he is a phenom but I worry about his coverage skills.

  88. USFBUC Says:

    I’m also hoping that the Bucs have a shot at Berry in FA

  89. Blake_bucsfan Says:

    I don’t know dude, from the film I’ve see he appears to have an outstanding football IQ, I’ve seen him break up a lot of passes. And as you stated he is an athletic freak. He makes plenty of plays in the run game as well as on the back end, so he doesn’t get a lot of picks, that’t not the worst thing in the world.

    Stopping a team on 3rd down is just as good as a takeaway in my book.

  90. Blake_bucsfan Says:

    Theirs a lot of ways you can break it down.

    But As Steve said on last weeks podcast, I think JL has got to pursue WR’s aggressively in FA. Hell, Sign Jeffery, Pryor, And Garcon in Free agency, then you can pick BPA with our 1st rounder. Offense or Defense.

    And from what I’ve seen so far the 2 best defenders that are slotted to be available around 19 are Jabrill Peppers, and Solomon Thomas out of Stanford.

  91. Blake_bucsfan Says:

    Or maybe you do the opposite and target Defense in FA, sign Calais Campbell, Eric Berry, and Trumain Johnson, and Draft O.J Howard or Corey Davis.

    As long as Jason Licht attacks the task at hand with a sense of urgency, and signs quality players that want to win.

  92. Blake_bucsfan Says:

    I’ll give Corey Davis some Love, maybe NosBos will watch this and gain some sense.

  93. Blake_bucsfan Says:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnqO2WvKoTM

    It’s late and I’m tired.

  94. Pickgrin Says:

    Blake – how old are you?

    Were you even watching the Noles and Bucs back in the 90’s?

    Warrick Dunn was a special talent and anyone who disputes that either wasn’t there to see it – or didn’t know what they were looking at. 22nd most career rushing yards in NFL history and 15th most combined yards for a RB in NFL history. And that was splitting a lot of carries and catches with Alstott the first 5 years of his career.

    Dunn was one of the toughest and most fearless runner between the tackles for a “little guy” that I have ever seen. He would also routinely turn obvious 3 yard losses into 2 yard gains behind that way less than stellar Bucs Oline.

    So don’t be dissing my boy Warrick – LOL. Dude was a hell of a football player – and is an even better human being.

    That said – Dalvin Cook looks even better coming out of College than Dunn did – and is very likely to be a stud of a 3 down RB in the NFL. So I can’t agree with your assessment on either one of them Blake.

    I would absolutely love to have Cook on our team if he somehow fell to #19 – but for all the reasons I already stated – we should not be looking to pay the high price it will take to move up and get even a supremely talented RB. The cost is too high and the risk is too great to invest so heavily at that position.

  95. USFBUC Says:

    Another safety to look at is Eddie Jackson out of Bama. He broke his leg so his season was cut short which I think is suppressing his draft stock. The thing I like about him are the recent articles where on a defensive team filled with NFL players he seems to be the guy the rest of them look to for leadership.

  96. Blake_bucsfan Says:

    Maybe in college he was all those things, but in the Nfl he was meh. Why do you think Jon Gruden let him walk in Favor of Michael Pittman/Mike Alstott? Because he was a serviceable starter and nothing more.

  97. Blake_bucsfan Says:

    And we’ll see dude. I don’t wish Dalvin Cook any ill will. And would hope for the best if somehow he did end as our pick, I don’t actively root against him. I just don’t see a Dynamic NFL Back when I watch him run. That’s my honest opinion dude. Sorry? On top of me not being overly impressed with him, He has a skinny frame, and I don’t see his body withstanding an NFL beating.

  98. Pickgrin Says:

    Blake_bucsfan Says:
    “in the Nfl he was meh. Why do you think Jon Gruden let him walk”

    Top 15 all time in the NFL at your position is meh???

    New Bucs HC Jon Gruden was adamant that he wanted Dunn re-signed, but new Falcons owner Arthur Blank was determined to make a big splash in free agency and bring in a dynamic back to pair with Jamal Anderson and QB Michael Vick – so he started a bidding war – that ultimately forced the numerous teams who were interested in signing Dunn (including the Bucs) to throw up their hands and say – “OK, that’s ridiculous”.

    Dunn wanted to stay in Tampa Bay – but the Falcons offer was over the top at just under $5M per year with a $6.5M signing bonus. For perspective, that contract in today’s NFL dollars would be like a modern day back receiving a 6 year offer for $12M per year with a $15M signing bonus.

    Dunn accepted the offer and the Bucs wound up signing Michael Pittman to a 5 year deal for roughly 30% of the amount Dunn signed with Atlanta for.

  99. Blake_bucsfan Says:

    He’s number 22 all time. Which is nothing to sneeze at. But numbers don’t tell the whole story dude.

  100. Blake_bucsfan Says:

    Empty Stats are empty stats dude.

  101. Blake_bucsfan Says:

    His career Rushing average was 4.1 ypc, 0.1 yards below the League average.

  102. Pickgrin Says:

    “Empty Stats” – SMH

    I was counting total running and receiving yards as Warrick was a pretty darn good receiver.

    So here are the running backs in NFL history who had more combined rushing and receiving yards in their NFL career than Warrick Dunn did:
    1. Walter Payton
    2. Emmitt Smith
    3. Marshall Faulk
    4. LaDainian Thomlinson
    5. Barry Sanders
    6. Marcus Allen
    7. Curtis Martin
    8. Tiki Barber
    9. Thurman Thomas
    10. Tony Dorsett

    11. Warrick Dunn

    11th best NFL RB of all time combined rushing and receiving yards
    (not 15th as I said before because 4 RBs that I had counted above him – Mitchell, Sproles, Walker and Metcalf – had a bunch of return yards added to their total) –

    So look again at that list – let it sink in for a minute and then tell me with a straight face that “Meh” is an appropriate response to Warrick Dunn’s career stats.

    And beyond stats – I ask again – did you watch the man play football? Because if you did I don’t think you would be saying that chit.

  103. RustyRhinos Says:

    Blake It is not just you who said ” my god that was terrible tackling.”

    Me too! LOL

    Mr. Cook looks like a very good RB in the ACC. But as we all see the NFL is not as easy as the ACC or the SEC or any other college conference. These guys in the NFL get PAID to play, they are super fast, super strong across the league. Will Mr.Cook be a good NFL player I can not say. He does look like he hits the holes quickly and finds a crease and is gone, he has sown some good hands. But there are missed tackles that happened in college football that do not happen in the NFL. Remember the NFL is the best of the best at their positions and every team wants Speed and tackling ability in their Defensive players.

    It sure is fun to watch Nole get his war feathers in a bunch over others not wanting to hear him go on and on and on about this Nole player we “need” to draft. Not saying that those players do not deserve consideration. But it sure gets old hearing about it continually. Yeah you are right because that is what I do scroll right on past your post. Big thanks for the warning about your continuance on making all of us see things your way. So much for freedom individual of thought.

    Miko I agree with your thought “a guy like McCaffrey in the draft could solve a lot of the Bucs issues”
    Go Bucs!

  104. Blake_bucsfan Says:

    Granted I was 10 or 12 the last time I watched warrick dunn play live dude. So what. I have Family and friends older than me who are life Long bucs fans that share my sense of apathy regarding Warrick Dunn.

    http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/D/DunnWa00/gamelog/post/

    Warrick Dunn was a regular season/ garbage time hero that fizzled in the postseason.

    Where he averaged 52.9 yards per game, had a record of 4-6 in the playoffs, never reached the super bowl, and generated a paltry 3 touchdowns in January.

    I say again. Meh.

  105. Stpetebucsfan Says:

    Blake

    At least you post reasonably and without hyperbole but I must disagree on WD as a meh player.

    He’s not HOF but he’s the next level down. Not just stats but he brought a lot of heart and class to the team. He and Alstott were a great tandem.