“How Disgusting Is It”
October 19th, 2015
The sight of Aqib Talib makes Shaun King angry
You want to know a guy who bleeds Buccaneers red? That’s former Bucs quarterback Shaun King, who grew up in St. Pete loving the Bucs, and then realized his dream when he led Tampa Bay to the NFC title game.
King can’t even watch football on a Bucs bye week without getting enraged.
Words of fire were coming from King’s mouth this morning on the Ronnie and TKras show on WDAE-AM 620.
Without being asked, King brought up helmet-wielding, cabbie-slugging, Adderrall-popping, coach-cussing, referee-charging, pistol-friendly, granny-hassling Aqib Talib, the Broncos’ Pro Bowl cornerback who humiliated Josh McCown yesterday.
“How disgusting is it to see Aqib Talib run another pick back for a touchdown knowing that Mark Dominik in his great GM period let him go,” King said. “All he needed was structure.
“I think all he needed was structure. And at the time we didn’t have it. We were cutting corners because of costs. We had hired Raheem, you know, who wasn’t anywhere near ready to be a head coach. I mean, you had that whole debacle. It was the Bucs who weren’t ready for, you know, a guy like Aqib. We didn’t have the structure as an organization. Now he has structure. He hasn’t had one problem out in Denver.”
King went on to rant about Michael Bennett, and how pass rush and cornerback are the Bucs’ biggest needs today — yet it’s their own fault.
Joe agrees that the Bucs didn’t set themselves up to manage a freak head case like talented Talib. But Joe certainly can’t blame Dominik and the Bucs for moving on. Greg Schiano had plenty of structure in place, and Talib decided to violate the league’s substance policy and get himself suspended — after all kinds of other trouble on and off the field. At some point, a guy has to be accountable for acting like an idiot repeatedly.
Schiano actually liked Talib and that’s why the Bucs were able to move him to Schiano’s good friend Bill Belicheat in New England, where Talib thrived.
Now ditching Michael Bennett, well, that qualifies as “disgusting,” to use King’s word.
Hear all of King’s NFL takes via the 620wdae.com player below.
October 19th, 2015 at 1:42 pm
@Joe
Pretty sure the correct term for the Talib intro montage is pistol-whipping, not friendly.
October 19th, 2015 at 1:49 pm
Joe you took every little time to put this up. Go back and re-read what you wrote and correct it son. Jeesh you’re better than this.
“Aqib Talib, the Broncos’ Pro Bowl cornerback who humiliated Peyton Manning yesterday.”
Joe how is it that Talib humiliated Manning yesterday when he plays on the same team?
October 19th, 2015 at 1:57 pm
Dom traded away a Pro Bowl CB while the Bucs defense couldn’t protect a 4th quarter lead.
October 19th, 2015 at 2:03 pm
We had Talib. We had Revis. How did the teams that decided they were valuable enough to keep around look yesterday? I’m no math expert, but I believe those teams are a combined 10-1 right now.
But THANK GOODNESS we have much nicer and more affordable guys on the roster right now – because, clearly, that is the recipe to winning football in Tampa.
October 19th, 2015 at 2:07 pm
Even if we had the 2015 cleaned-up version of Talib… Lovie would still start “The Jennies” in his place.
October 19th, 2015 at 2:13 pm
It’s weird cuz I was planning on posting this yesterday. That is to say that I really hate seeing former bucs excelling with other teams. Blount was my example and Talib too.
I’ve just concluded that TB wants nothing to do with “bad boys” no matter how good they are. The fact that they all have one thing in common should not raise any eyebrows.
The common denominator is that none of them have a big beautiful smile nor do they hug and kiss the opponent after every play.
I guess Spence is they only exception but he’s not an elite player so there’s no reason to cut him.
October 19th, 2015 at 2:14 pm
Dom was just trying to implement the Glazers unrealistic
agenda: “Dear Mark, Please make us some nice chicken
salad out of this (enclosed) chicken spit…and please have
it done by tomorrow. – Signed, The Owners”
You Glazer-cowering media types do know that they have
final say on ALL of these terrible personal decisions, don’t you?
# Only constant on the Bucs since Gruden = The Soccer Brats
October 19th, 2015 at 2:17 pm
I know exactly how King and others feel. I damn near passed out when I heard Talib has 30 career interceptions.
October 19th, 2015 at 2:20 pm
What is important is that we have the great Tim Jennings and Mike Jenkins starting at corner and the high value free agent acquisition Verner watching from the bench.
I am so sick of the incompetent fools the Glazers keep hiring. Lovable Lovie and his little lapdog Licht are the worst. Sick of this sht and doesn’t have to be this way.
October 19th, 2015 at 2:24 pm
Dallas….do you have confidence in their next hire if Lovie is fired?
October 19th, 2015 at 2:25 pm
Some of the regular JBF commenters used to say years ago that we should trade Talib because he’ll never be an elite CB in the NFL.
October 19th, 2015 at 2:25 pm
Talib was a cancer to the locker room and didn’t care about the consequences of his actions. He was given chance after chance with the Bucs and blew it. Sucks that he has found success with a team other than the Bucs, but I don’t blame them for canning him.
October 19th, 2015 at 2:28 pm
I certainly do not remember Talib playing anywhere near an elite level, nor thinking to myself that this is a 30 int guy. Hell, the year before he went to the Pro Bowl on the Patriots he and Eric Wright were busted for “adderall”. Guys excel in different schemes at different stages in their careers. “SIMPLE AS THAT.” I do agree that Dom had zero leadership in place, from the coaching to a veteran presence in the locker room.
Sour grapes, but I admit Im happy not seeing this thug in pewter no mo.
October 19th, 2015 at 2:32 pm
@DRome I was one of them. Aqib regularly got burned, then hobbled offthe field withthe many mysterious hamstring injuries that plagued his Tampa career. Sucks that he is excelling on a different team, but he was not Pro Bowl material in Tampa. One of many stories of players going to different schemes, organizational structures and doing well. Boo frigging hoo this thug isnt wearing pewter anymore.
October 19th, 2015 at 2:33 pm
WalkdaPlank….I’m with you on this one except I’ll add that perhaps it was his release that woke him up.
October 19th, 2015 at 2:38 pm
87- I have high degree of confidence it cannot be any worse and it is definitely worth the risk. Football organizations that are well run in the front office and well coached on the field can make all the difference. Keeping the crap sandwich you have because you are afraid the next one you choose is gonna taste like kitty poo doesn’t make sense. I would prefer the Glazers to say that their hires have not met the standards for this organization and they will not be satisfied until the search for the right people yields success and winning football. Just as Lovie said when he darkened our door, the fans should not be expected to be patient. I am no longer patient. So Lovie better win or he should be gone. It really is that simple Lovie.
October 19th, 2015 at 2:42 pm
@ Walkdaplank
Exactly…..Talib was a bad attitude who played well only when he felt like it….good riddance….
As for Shaun King……Talib scored more points than Shaun’s offense did durning Shaun’s famous NFC Championship…..Shaun wishes Talib was on his team.
“Shaun King, one of two Buc Quarterbacks that lost a NFC Championship Game when his defense gave up 9 points.”
October 19th, 2015 at 2:46 pm
I said at the time it was a stupid move to cut him but the moral police fan base and Schiano wanted Buccaneer men. Well we now have Buccaneer men but unfortunately they aren’t good football players.
October 19th, 2015 at 2:48 pm
Whoa! Wait up! Bucs have this whole deal under control – 3 weekends of games without a loss, one a bye and still Joe refers to the Stinkn’ Panthers. What am I missing besides my mind?
October 19th, 2015 at 2:52 pm
DallasBuc…well after the last 3 hires I don’t have any confidence in the Glazers getting lucky and hiring the right guy. Which is why I’m on the fence about Lovie. The next guy comes in and blows up 50% of the roster like Lovie did and I think the team gets worse than what we are seeing today. Just my opinion.
The Glazers would actually save money by letting him go, from all the dumb pick ups Lovie has brought in. So you’re right. he better win this year, because I don’t want to start all over again.
Then again the next guy might actually evaluate a player better than Lovie. What am I saying might? It can’t be too hard to see that Banks is better than Jenkins when you look at the game film, but Lovie started Jenkins over Banks last season. The next guy might not be so quick to blow up the whole roster. Then again he might be quicker. Dougie might go out and continue to have a great season. Then the next coach says meh, we don’t need to pay Martin all that money, let him go. Ala Revis.
October 19th, 2015 at 2:55 pm
I’m still pretty disgusted that Shaun King had the perfect opportunity with the Bucs after his rookie year but decided to go on an eating binge and gain so much weight, thereby betraying the Buccaneers fans who had placed their hopes in him.
October 19th, 2015 at 2:56 pm
If the best pro bowl player at his position can’t play on Sunday, be it injuries or off-field stupidity, he still has little value to the organization. Talib’s talent was never in question, but his character (remember this was a guy one strike away from possibly never being allowed to play in the NFL) and hamstrings (probably why the Pats moved on from him after the “letdown corner” showed up holding his hamstring after getting burnt by the Ravens in the AFC playoffs). I’m cool with them trading Talib away because the Bucs were unlikely to ever get the production out of him that quality run teams like the Patriots and Broncos have. It sucks for Bucs fans to witness, yet it is the painful fact…this organization is not being run as well as it needs to be if the team will ever have a shot at being competitive again.
October 19th, 2015 at 2:57 pm
I wonder if the big schlong picked his buddy McClown on his fantasy team.
October 19th, 2015 at 3:04 pm
Lovie Smith isn’t a bad coach at all. He is just one of the those coaches that need good staff around him.
Considering he didn’t want Frazier at the start (second choice) and Tedford didn’t produce as promised, he was set back a year.
Koetter is a good hire. Anyone here deny that?
The offense is getting better and better, and is full of young talent. Anyone deny that? Koetter certainly didn’t build the talent on the offensive roster.
Lovie is calling plays for the defense now. Think about that. First…everyone was blaming him for bad plays before he took over those duties (goes to show what some of you actually know). Second, Frazier was blowing it. Still is.
Thirdly…Lovie is “calling plays”, he isn’t taking over the role of defensive coordinator. Frazier still has those duties.
Regardless, some will completely blame Lovie. I know certain people will. And at the same time, they will ignore the good things he’s done.
Make a lit of good vs bad that he had full control over and the good outweighs the bad. All he needs is another draft and a little time to develop those defensive picks.
We are at the cusp of greatness…and some people want to stop before we get there. Stay in the race, people. The finish line is closer than its been since 2002.
October 19th, 2015 at 3:05 pm
Hold on a second…..we have many players that arguably are playing better for us than the teams they came from…..
How about Bobby Rainey, Connor Barth, Danny Lansanah, Bradley McDougald, Clinton McDonald perhaps Joe Hawley & Reid Fragel
Sure they aren’t as flashy as Talib and playing on a losing team….I guess doesn’t count as much…..but we have picked up many players who are playing well for us.
October 19th, 2015 at 3:07 pm
I forgot Jaquis Smith & perhaps Howard Jones…..
October 19th, 2015 at 3:07 pm
Talib is top caliber until the big games in big playoffs he’s oft injured early. What’s the good in that. Makes the pill a lil easier to swallow. Bennets attitude changed a lot after some success. I’m still happier with all things played out the way it did to land Winston. Qb crop does not look good AND hasnt been. It’s Luck and Winston and really no one else for the last 5 years.
October 19th, 2015 at 3:11 pm
Aqib Talib ” America’s Cornerback” 🙂
October 19th, 2015 at 3:22 pm
Banks will hopefully return against the Redskins and repeat his touchdown performance from last year and we can forget about all these CBs we’ve let go.
Now if only there was a way we could continue our growth yet get Vernon Hargreaves on the team at the same time.
October 19th, 2015 at 3:24 pm
We were not the only team to let Talib go…..the great coach Belichick passed on keeping him….
October 19th, 2015 at 3:26 pm
“Some of the regular JBF commenters used to say years ago that we should trade Talib because he’ll never be an elite CB in the NFL.”
——
100% correct. It’s amazing how people love to revise history. There was maybe 10% of the commentators in favor of keeping Talib, if not less. Now everyone is making as if they were against it all along.
October 19th, 2015 at 3:27 pm
@TBBF,
Yes, Bellicheck passed on keeping him, then got a guy named Revis to replace him. Remember him?
October 19th, 2015 at 3:33 pm
Look, it’s great to have nice guys on the team. Guys like Gerald McCoy and Vincent Jackson are model athletes to have on your team. However, it’s impossible to make a great team full of good guys. There just aren’t enough good guys with great talent around. The key is being able to manage the bad guys. That’s been the failure on our part over the years. I was furious we got rid of Talib, but it was something we had to do. Too many things had happened, and we just couldn’t count on him. However, that was a result of us not dealing with the situation appropriately in the years prior. You can’t have a coach that parties with the players one year, then a coach that treats them like a high school JV team the next year. As much as I am disappointed in Lovie as a coach so far, I think he would have handled Talib just fine. Problem is, he’d probably be backing up Tim Jennings.
October 19th, 2015 at 3:38 pm
@ Hawaiian
And where is Revis playing now….not for NE….
October 19th, 2015 at 3:51 pm
@TBBF,
But we are not New England. We don’t have the infrastructure to just plug guys in and replace talented players.
October 19th, 2015 at 3:52 pm
Every single cornerback on the Patriots roster is better than Jenkins and Jennings. That’s not even debatable.
October 19th, 2015 at 3:52 pm
Revis was basically a gun for hire for the last couple of years…
October 19th, 2015 at 3:58 pm
uc1987 Says:
October 19th, 2015 at 3:52 pm
Revis was basically a gun for hire for the last couple of years…
Which is fine, as long as you are not the one that coughed up a very high 1st and 4th round pick for him!!!!!
October 19th, 2015 at 3:59 pm
Yep, I can remember – fighting with everyone about Aqib Talib.
Glad the kid has landed on his feet.
October 19th, 2015 at 4:02 pm
We’re the NFL farm team, mostly for New England, but for everyone really. So much talent has been here the last 5 years, and almost all of it gone.
October 19th, 2015 at 4:04 pm
Battle of Best Cornerback from Aliquippa
Ty Law > Revis
Law by a landslide
October 19th, 2015 at 4:09 pm
Realist…exactly, not making excuses for it, but it could have easily been any other team. If that’s what the Jets wanted.
October 19th, 2015 at 4:22 pm
“Lovie Smith isn’t a bad coach at all. He is just one of the those coaches that need good staff around him.”
But when you hire your son, and your good buddy Hardy, to be your DB & LB coaches respectively?
Is he really trying to put the best staff together?? Or just giving out hand-outs????
Two rookie position coaches, and the two worst units on our team.
October 19th, 2015 at 4:33 pm
Bottom line is though, Talib needed a change of scenery.
October 19th, 2015 at 4:34 pm
That guy
Why stop there? Apparently Mankins is the best oline coach at OBP.
October 19th, 2015 at 4:37 pm
Buc1987
The crazy thing about that terrible trade – Bucs Didn’t Have to Bid Against Anyone But Themselves.
In the end, It was the best deal the Jets and Revis got from any team, mostly because it was the ONLY deal available to the Jets and Revis.
BECAUSE NO ONE ELSE WANTED TO TRADE FOR REVIS
October 19th, 2015 at 4:47 pm
LUV…no one wanted to trade at the price. Is that what you’re saying? I’m sure there were offers, but when they heard what the Jets wanted that’s when the other team hung up the phone.
October 19th, 2015 at 4:50 pm
Buc1987
Ref: No other teams got into Revis hunt
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/04/21/no-other-teams-got-into-revis-hunt/
October 19th, 2015 at 4:53 pm
LUV…I knew I could count on you to set me straight. One of the few peeps on here that usually rights my ship.
October 19th, 2015 at 4:53 pm
Best comment in the thread
“Why did the Bucs give up a high first rounder when there was no way Revis would have been a Jet this year and no other teams were interested? It’s like they negotiated with themselves.”
smh
October 19th, 2015 at 4:54 pm
Buc1987
Steel sharpens Steel brotha.
October 19th, 2015 at 5:50 pm
I was a big Talib supporter. I even had his jersey as it related to the new yungry bucs as well as blounts jersey. My brother and I always talk about how stupid we were for trading Talib. I am not one who is changing my tune on talib as some posters on here are suggesting some are doing. Because I am in the midst of a hacked screen name, I have provided an article for the troll they call Capt Tim so he can see I have always liked Talib.
https://www.joebucsfan.com/2013/03/was-talib-best-overall-cornerback-on-the-market/
October 19th, 2015 at 5:58 pm
Michael Bennett, and Talib, have super bowl rings,enough said.
October 19th, 2015 at 6:28 pm
Aqib Talib does not have a Super Bowl ring.
October 19th, 2015 at 6:58 pm
“Ty Law > Revis
Law by a landslide”
——–
I’ll have some of whatever you are smoking.
October 19th, 2015 at 7:09 pm
Easy to say after the fact they didnt get in trouble, what if thy had a wake up call? get outta here!
October 19th, 2015 at 8:03 pm
Hawaiian Buc
Dude, you must have short term memory.
Sure Law was shut down corner – Just Like Revis
And yes, Opposing QB’s hated throwing in Ty Laws Direction – Just Like Revis
Except -Ty Law was more active in the Run Support-(Punisher)
And his ball skills were on par with some of the best – that ever done it.
He is also widely regarded as the best Patriots defensive backs of all time.
Big statement when you consider some of their greats.
-Mike Haynes
-Raymond Clayborn
October 19th, 2015 at 8:10 pm
Best of Ty Law | Patriot Hall of Famer | Career Highlights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=da560iHuvDc
October 19th, 2015 at 8:25 pm
We had Talib. We had Revis. How did the teams that decided they were valuable enough to keep around look yesterday?
Bill Belicheat had BOTH of these players after the Bucs and let them go!!!
Is it because Belicheat only wants choir boys. Perhaps because he doesn’t want to tie up that much money in a DB no matter how talented?”
October 19th, 2015 at 9:28 pm
@LUVMYBUCS,
I’m not saying Law wasn’t a good player, but Darrelle Revis is one of the best CB’s of all time, if not the best. I have never heard anyone put Law in that category (until now I guess). I couldn’t disagree more that Law was better in run support. It’s hard for you to back that claim up by the fact that Revis almost has as many career tackles as Law in about half the amount of games.
October 19th, 2015 at 9:29 pm
And Law was never put on an island like Revis. The only other player that was put on an island like Revis was Deion.
October 19th, 2015 at 10:01 pm
Lol, Bruh Prime & Revis were not the 1st corners to lock up on a wideout help over the top. I can list several dudes that could do that – without a hand full jersey.
Its truly sad, because these dudes were the best of their era.
Yet just because they played on sub par losing teams – we don’t give them the same props.
Like I’ve said plenty of times – We live in era of 101 different camera angles – w/ statisticians recording every and anything imaginable.
So we gas up everything we see now – like its the best we’ve ever seen. When most of the time that’s simply not the case.
October 19th, 2015 at 10:03 pm
Prime & Revis were not the 1st corners to lock up on a wideout, *without help over the top.
October 19th, 2015 at 10:23 pm
Prime got his whole style from Lester Hayes – screw the stick’em BS associated w/ Hayes – Then man was a technician – with plenty of kids across the country biting his style.
I watched Albert Lewis Lock down Rice, Carter, Jefferies, Irvin and plenty more- for over 5 years. NO ONE wanted to throw it this dudes way. Yet the average fan never heard of the dude.
WHY THOUGH:
He wasn’t flashy – he didn’t run his mouth – or play NY w/ a flamboyant head coach.
He just did he’s job – Yet no respect
October 19th, 2015 at 10:58 pm
Priiiiiime Time. Yep he was a Nole too!
You got me Jameis, now go get me Jalen Ramsey Lovie.
October 19th, 2015 at 11:26 pm
Schiano actually liked Talib and that’s why the Bucs were able to move him to Schiano’s good friend Bill Belicheat in New England, where Talib thrived.
Now ditching Michael Bennett, well, that qualifies as “disgusting,” to use King’s word.
JOE…..
Taleb was traded to Bill Belicheat because Bill Belicheat had his finger up Schiano’s butt. Everyone should be to busy judging themselves to judge others. And, ditching Bennett disqualify Schiano from intelligent decision making.
October 20th, 2015 at 6:36 am
Buccaneers All Pro Excommunicated Team –
DEFENSE
CB Darrell Rivas
CB Aqib Talib
S Mark Barron
LB Mason Foster (signed from retirement)
LB Jonathon Casillas
LB Dekoda Watson
DE Michael Bennett
DE Ryan Delaire
DT Roy Miller
DT Adrian Clayborn
OFFENSE
QB Josh McCown
RB LeGarrette Blount
TE Tim Wright
WR Chris Owusu
WR Mike Williams (signed from retirement)
LT Donald Penn
LG Ted Larson
C Jeremy Zuttah
RG Gabe Carimi (signed from retirement)
RT Jamone Meredith
Not to shabby. They may even beat the current team?