WRs Need Help
July 30th, 2015
Studs.
Yes, Joe is of the mind that arguably the best one-two punch of NFL receivers is Godzilla Evans and Vincent Jackson. If there are one-two punches better than the Bucs’ duo, the list is damn short.
Sometimes, it takes number-crunching to shed light upon things and the nerds over at Pro Football Focus have finger blisters from the wear and tear of playing with Excel spreadsheets. To wit, Pro Football Focus believes no tandem of receivers was more important to an NFL squad.
@PFF No team leaned more on their WRs than the Buccaneers, who caught 85.7% of the teams passing TDs.
And this was with garbage for a No. 1 quarterback and an offensive line that reminded folks of a cattle stampede. Imagine what Evans and Jackson can do with just a modicum of blocking and having “America’s Quarterback,” Bucs signal-caller Jameis Winston, tossing passes?
At least when it comes to the two studs at wide receiver, Bucs fans shouldn’t lose a wink of sleep.
This also tells Joe that Evans and Jackson got no help. Imagine if offensive coordinator Dirk Koetter can get reliable folks out of the backfield to be passing targets, and tight end Austin Seferian-Jenkins to stay out of the hot tub.
July 30th, 2015 at 12:38 pm
“I had Kelvin Benjamin at Florida State, but now I have two of them.” Jameis Winston
July 30th, 2015 at 12:40 pm
Savage Mike & Airforce Jackson + The Messiah+ Koetter Offense= FUK THE NFC SOUTH!
July 30th, 2015 at 12:48 pm
Whowuddathunkit, the Bucs once a feared defense now potentially sporting a feared offense.
July 30th, 2015 at 12:49 pm
There are question marks because of rookies at QB and on the OL. But on paper – with Winston behind center and Dirk Koetter calling the plays – and with the weapons of Evans, Vjax, ASJ, Tim Wright and Martin/Sims/Rainey out of the backfield – this offense appears to be set to bust out with explosive plays and points.
We are all in wait and see mode regarding this year’s Buccaneers – especially after last year. But my early take is that this is likely to be a MUCH better team than what was fielded last year.
July 30th, 2015 at 1:14 pm
Jameis has a long stride in his throwing motion (baseball anyone?) and a slow release. He needs pocket space, and he might not get that from our o-line.
Koetter can work magic if the QB can throw out of a three-step drop, but Jameis isn’t designed that way. Five-step drop, maybe.
Jameis will need a lot of mechanical improvement to be optimally effective in a Dirk Koetter offense. But Jameis can read a defense, and put the ball where receivers can catch it in stride, so there’s no reason we can’t win in the mean time.
GO BUCS
July 30th, 2015 at 1:14 pm
@Pickgrin
this offense appears to be set to bust out with explosive plays and points.
YES! This will also tell us a lot about Lovie. If he doesn’t allow Koetter to utilize these weapons and demands the damn two runs on 1st and 2nd with the obligatory desperate 3rd down prayer then I’ll join Dallas and tmax and start drinking the Lovie haterade.
I’m giving Lovie the benefit of the doubt until we see how all this plays out. I don’t want us to just keep up with the chains and downs…unlike last year….I want us to be very aggressive and stay ahead.
2nd down and 3 or 4 makes everybody on the offense look better…from the OL to the QB to the RB’s. I’m sooooo over 3rd and long!
July 30th, 2015 at 1:25 pm
StPeteBucsFan said:
This will also tell us a lot about Lovie. If he doesn’t allow Koetter to utilize these weapons . . .
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In his NFL career, Dirk Koetter has been the OC for two defensive-minded head coaches. And they both gave him carte blanche on offense.
He would not have taken this job if Lovie didn’t grant him that same privilege.
July 30th, 2015 at 1:31 pm
Hmmmm preseason is right around the corner in just a little over 2 weeks.
With all this rain lately, I hope the Bucs come to their senses and build a damn indoor practice facility or the rest of the NFL has a jump on us in that category. They practice while we get rained out..
July 30th, 2015 at 2:12 pm
Senior Mofo-
What are you watching, Jameis’s freshman year tape? He tightened up his throwing motion twice in the last two years. Once between his freshman and sophomore year and again while working with Whitfield prior to the the combine. His motion is not B-rady, Romo fast but it’s far from Leftwitch.
July 30th, 2015 at 2:29 pm
last year is what happens when you have no o cord!
July 30th, 2015 at 2:30 pm
Louis Murphy and Kenny Bell should contribute, but the key player is ASJ.
July 30th, 2015 at 2:56 pm
Its all water under the bridge now, because what’s done cannot be undone. But the thought of the following line Up drove me madd before the draft.
• 13-Mike Evans 21 (6-5 || 231)
• 83-Vincent Jackson 32 (6-5 || 230)
• 15-Dorial Green-Beckham 22 (6-5 || 237)
Don’t get me wrong, I know we needed I left tackle, and Donovan Smith is good prospect. I just didn’t see him competing for a starting LT job day One.
Maybe a season or two at LG. Then after being groomed for the position, slide over…..but Day One –Nah.
Dorial Green-Beckham size and speed would’ve been a nightmare match up, for ANY third corner.
It would’ve rivaled some of the best tandems ever.
(Examples)
• Cris Carter | Randy Moss | Jake Reed
• Drew Hill | Haywood Jeffires | Ernest Givins
• Herman Moore | Brett Perriman | Johnny Morton
• Mark Duper | Mark Clayton | Nat Moore
So I just thought he would be the obvious choice at #34. But it was not to be
So hopefully Warhop/Mankins can get the young guys ready. Lord knows Jameis/Glennon, is gonna need it.
July 30th, 2015 at 3:28 pm
Its all water under the bridge now, because what’s done cannot be undone. But the thought of the following line Up drove me madd before the draft.
• 13-Mike Evans 21 (6-5 || 231)
• 83-Vincent Jackson 32 (6-5 || 230)
• 15-Dorial Green-Beckham 22 (6-5 || 237)
Don’t get me wrong, I know we needed I left tackle, and Donovan Smith is good prospect. I just didn’t see him competing for a starting LT job day One.
Maybe a season or two at LG. Then after being groomed for the position, slide over…..but Day One –Nah.
Dorial Green-Beckham size and speed would’ve been a nightmare match up, for ANY third corner.
It would’ve rivaled some of the best tandems ever.
(Examples)
• Cris Carter | Randy Moss | Jake Reed
• Drew Hill | Haywood Jeffires | Ernest Givins
• Herman Moore | Brett Perriman | Johnny Morton
• Mark Duper | Mark Clayton | Nat Moore
So I just thought he would be the obvious choice at #34. But it was not to be
So hopefully Warhop/Mankins can get the young guys ready. Lord knows Jameis/Glennon, is gonna need it.
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@LUVMYBUCS
That would have been deadly. To piggy off your hypothetical draft. Try to picture this.
1st Rd: Jameis Winston
2nd Rd: DGB
2nd Rd: Donovan Smith
4th rd: Kwon Alexander
5th rd: Kenny Bell
6th rd: Kaelin Clay
7th rd: La’el Collins
I would have Collins battle out for LT and Smith battle it out for RG and then move him to LG next to Collins when Mankins is done playing. Looking at that would have been killer. There’s a chance the team could of still had Iosefa after.
Now I would consider the next year of picking up Braxton Miller who recently decided to transition to WR and open up a whole new can of worms with a WR convert from QB. This team could have had the most lethal offense for years to come! That would be scary.
July 30th, 2015 at 3:45 pm
We should trade Mike Evans to New England for a 6th round pick so he can win a Super Bowl… That would help him…
July 30th, 2015 at 4:11 pm
You sound stupid mac. Just figured I’d let you know okay.
July 30th, 2015 at 4:59 pm
@Stanglassman said:
What are you watching, Jameis’s freshman year tape? He tightened up his throwing motion twice in the last two years. Once between his freshman and sophomore year and again while working with Whitfield prior to the the combine. His motion is not B-rady, Romo fast but it’s far from Leftwitch.
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Spare me the drama. I am well aware of Jameis’ mechanical flaws, and I am also well aware of his commitment to his game and his ability to improve.
He will never have the technical proficiency, mechanically, of someone like Andrew Luck or Marcus Mariota.
But the NFL isn’t a textbook QB skills competition. Jameis has the smarts and will to win, and he will win games in this league. A lot of them.
Just because I recognize the flaws in Jameis’ game doesn’t make me any less enthusiastic about him being our QB. He’s already the best QB we’ve had in 39 years, and he hasn’t even taken his first NFL snap.
July 30th, 2015 at 5:02 pm
@Stanglassman said:
What are you watching, Jameis’s freshman year tape? He tightened up his throwing motion twice in the last two years. Once between his freshman and sophomore year and again while working with Whitfield prior to the the combine. His motion is not B-rady, Romo fast but it’s far from Leftwitch.
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Spare me the drama. I am well aware of Jameis’ mechanical flaws, and I am also well aware of his commitment to his game and his ability to improve.
He will never have the technical proficiency, mechanically, of someone like Andrew Luck or Marcus Mariota.
But the NFL isn’t a textbook QB skills competition. Jameis has the smarts and will to win, and he will win games in this league. A lot of them.
Just because I recognize the flaws in Jameis’ game doesn’t make me any less enthusiastic about him being our QB. He’s already the best QB we’ve had in 39 years, and he hasn’t even taken his first NFL snap.
July 30th, 2015 at 5:07 pm
anything?
July 30th, 2015 at 5:14 pm
God I hate this POS website. By far the clumsiest comment handling of any place I post. I only post here because I respect the opinion of some of the other commenters here.
Tighten up Joes.
July 30th, 2015 at 5:40 pm
SoCoBuc
That’s a good look brotha.
July 30th, 2015 at 5:42 pm
This site does a great job with ease of commenting and generally all around, imo. Probably those fancy complicated gadget phones. Newer isn’t always better, like waiting in long lines to pay 600 dollars for the latest technology. On the everday heavy rains lately, what a blessing!
July 30th, 2015 at 5:58 pm
The Patriots are not winning another Superbowl with Brady. He is done.
July 30th, 2015 at 6:09 pm
37…I don’t own one of those I-diot phones and never will.
July 30th, 2015 at 7:02 pm
LUVMYBUCs/SoCoBuc: you guys do understand that DGB is an absolute head case and a huge gamble for a team that had other major holes to fill. Also, Collins had already told the NFL that if he wasn’t drafted in the 1st 2 rounds he would sit out the year. Thus the reason a 1st round talent was not drafted by anyone.
July 30th, 2015 at 7:57 pm
JabooBuc. Both statements you made are true. But based on talent alone both would be awesome. If I’m not mistaken, Collins Agent said that was a bluff and that he would’ve signed with whoever drafted him. I still think the Bucs had a good draft. It’s just fun looking at different scenarios.
July 30th, 2015 at 8:36 pm
I thought Collins was denied his petition into the 2016 draft after the 2015 draft concluded. I don’t believe it had anything to do with his agent bluffing.
July 30th, 2015 at 9:56 pm
Ranell Hall could make an great slot receiver, quick with hands like fking glue, but the Bucs wont be smart enough to give him a real look…….
July 30th, 2015 at 11:44 pm
@nucifyouBUC said:
Ranell Hall could make an great slot receiver, quick with hands like fking glue, but the Bucs wont be smart enough to give him a real look
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Yes, the Bucs are smart enough to give him a “real look”. He’s here for a reason.
The fact is that Hall, Donteea Dye, and Adam Humphries are fighting for that last roster spot in the WR group.
They are all virtual clones in terms of size and speed. So, whoever shows the best route-running ability and the best hands wins. If that guy is Hall, then so be it.
July 31st, 2015 at 12:01 am
The Bucs are running 4 Verticals as an Offensive weapon which will feature Evans and Jackson as the outside WRs and there will be two inside receivers who need to be burners and they will be Murphy and Bell. When the OL gives Winston time the two safeties have to pick their poison leaving two other receivers open and Winston is accurate with his deep pass. We have the WRs to make it work and when they get tired we will have four TEs who can all play.
The catch is this offense leaves only six blockers including the running back on pass plays. Our problem is all of our top three backs are not solid blockers, but Dominique Brown is, has great soft hands for outlet passes, plus is big and tough and can open his own holes–We need him to start; especially when our OL is bonding at the start of the season. I also think you will eventually see Rookie Smith at RT and Marpet at Center. Dotson will be needed to play LT and Pamphile will need to step up at RT. EDS will be the key backup for Center and Guard along with Edwards as the other Guard backup. The talent is here now but Koetter will need to develop it. Our Defense will be a top ten Defense.
July 31st, 2015 at 12:47 am
WR should be the least of our worries. All this wishful thinking of grabbing another WR in the 2nd is beynd me. If we went QB, of course we need OL. We got K. Bell in the 5th, which he has looked really good so far. We didnt get DGB, we got OL. We need blockers for our new QB and running game. Did you forget how bad that looked last year? Jeez. We got 2 other recievers with KR ability…another need. Cant win them all.
July 31st, 2015 at 3:05 am
Senor Mofo- You said Jameis has mechanical flaws and a slow release. That is the most foolish and moronic statement I have ever heard in my life. Jameis moves like Jameis, he throws like Jameis. His release has evolved into a quick, triggerlike version of the unique style we saw in his freshman year, essentially a rifled cannon with a shorter wick. It’s no Rodger’s release (which is hands down the NFL’s finnest) but you know who else didn’t throw like that as a rookie? Rodgers. I would love for you to rip out the stopwatch during camp and see for yourself. Man you are an idiot!