“Mike, while you’re working it, make sure they bring me back for my $7 million.”
Mike Glennon is no fool. He knows he’s got important opportunities between now and when the free agency bell rings in March to impress Lovie Smith.
Lovie already shared that Glennon was knocking on his door within minutes of his hire to find out the rules surrounding Glennon being allowed to learn and work right now at One Buc Palace.
And today, Glennon just so happened to pen a piece for Peter King’s website, TheMMQB.com, talking about his experience in Seattle, which calls national attention to arguably his best performance of the season — against the NFC’s top team. Glennon was 17-for-23 for 168 yards and two touchdowns.
Yet we had to get the play in quickly, and get in and out of the huddle quickly. That way, if we did have to audible, we’d have enough time left on the play clock. We left audibles on for calls that had them—the noise didn’t change the adjustments we could make—but I had to allow for extra time to execute them. If I wanted to audible in this environment, I had to walk along the line of scrimmage from tackle to tackle, telling my teammates the change. Normally we can communicate a change within two or three seconds, but I gave myself about five or six seconds in Seattle to be on the safe side.
My teammates did a great job communicating outward, or repeating the audible call from the guards to the tackles, and the tackles to the tight ends. We really didn’t have any communication problems the whole game, which was pretty impressive given how loud it was. It’s typical to start any road game using a silent cadence on plays out of the shotgun, but we can often switch out of it later on when the noise isn’t too bad.
I was trying to enunciate, scan the huddle and look my teammates in the eyes, to give them a chance to read my lips if they had to.
Against the Seahawks, we had to use the silent count out of the shotgun for the whole game; the linemen couldn’t hear me even from a couple yards back. The silent count actually helped us a few times, because we got them to jump and got a few free plays. On my first touchdown, a 12-yard pass to Tim Wright, I knew that a defender had jumped offside, so I gave our receiver a chance to catch a ball that I might not have thrown if they weren’t offside. I think we got the Seahawks to jump twice, but that was a while ago, so they might have cleaned it up since then.
Joe’s not surprised to see Glennon getting his name out there. It can only help him. (You can learn more via the link above.) Perception of a player is a powerful force when the pressure is on in draft-day war rooms.
Remember, Glennon walked out of North Carolina State at 23 years old with a Master’s Degree and a 3.8 GPA, all while living the life of a devoted starting quarterback. Enter Glennon into the 2013 Bucs offense, one his own quarterback coach said would take three seasons to fully grasp, and Glennon played ok. Coaches said they didn’t scale down the playbook at all, despite Glennon being thrown into the fire midseason.
He’s a sharp guy — smart enough to know his future could lie greatly in what happens between now and when Roger Goodell stops to the podium in New York.
Please god let us draft a QB. Glennon is alright but the key word there is alright. For once in my life as a Bucs fan I would like to get to experience an actual Franchise quarterback
Glennon is a hard worker and has the capability of grasping an offense. He has some positive attributes and a few drawbacks. It’s hard to evaluate what type of player he can become based on a rookie season in a lackluster offense. He might have a good chance to be the starter if Lovie and Tedford think he has what it takes. The free agent market for QBs this year doesn’t offer anything exciting and might only provide competition, but not an upgrade to Glennon. The draft is the best place to get a QB this year, but Lovie might want to fill another area of need.
Glennon definitely has the brains to be an NFL QB. He is a stark contrast in the IQ dept. to our previous “franchise” QB. I think in a new offensive system, and with more experience under his belt, he could be good if not better than good. Although I would not anoint him as our starter and bringing in competition i.e., through the draft or free agency is never a bad thing IMO.
At #7, I just don’t see us landing either a top-notch QB or Clowney. 4 of the 6 teams drafting ahead of us need QBs. And Clowney will never make it past Atlanta. I’m starting to think OL.
Has nothing to do with “freemanites”. It has too do with the fact that teams cannot takke the time to develop QBs without having alternatives in the meanwhiele anymore.
Personally, I’m not discounting the possibility that Gennon coud be great…one day. Heck, part of me thnks Jordan Rogers will be hyped by training camp too.
I bellieve e we need to load up on QBs and tkeep the three best. If we start the season with Gennon, a 1st rounder and Mark Sanchez, I would be happy. One of them has to catch on.
I like the fact that Mike is a smart guy borderline nerd. Growing up a smart guy/nerd myself I can appreciate high GPA’s, masters degree’s, and book study of any kind. Athleticism is great but between the ears is better. IE: Billy Jean I mean Freeman,was not a very heady guy…
We may have it tough but how about the Bengals? Lose both coordinators, have a huge question mark in Dalton, and a head coach who has won nothing despite keeping his job for ten years.
Wait, Joe is this really you writing this article? The Joe I know would ignore any achievement of Mr. Glennon and only look at stereotypes (eventhough a mobile QB has never won a superbowl).
@BuccaneerBonzai Says:
“…Personally, I’m not discounting the possibility that Gennon coud be great…
I bellieve e we need to load up on QBs and tkeep the three best…”
I agree, and to continue with that line of thinking… This is the best plan to be sure the Bucs have their first real franchise QB. Draft a 1st rd QB to compete with Glennon – best man wins. If MGM’s are right, GREAT; and we have a backup who we can get our investment back from in the form of trading for a future 1st rd pick. If the new rookie (Teddy?) is the winner, and worst case, Glennon bombs, GREAT, we finally have our franchise QB and if we wanted, we can likely trade Glennon for a 3rd rd pick.
How can we loose in that scenario?
For those of you advocating drafting Watkins, as an upgrade over Underwood, Brady makes his backups look like superstars. If you don’t have a great QB to throw them the ball, what good does it do to have a VJ or Watkins, or Mike-Will?
I’d like to see Glennon with some healthy weapons…MW19, Nicks, Joseph, Doug Martin…..and a couple of additions…..Sammy Watkins would be a good start along with another TE.
I’d also like to see what a guy like Tedford can do for him.
The NFL wasn’t too big for Glennon…I like his demeanor, smarts, youth and pricetag.
This team needs at least another year in development (unfortunately)…might as well give him a shot.
I am not opposed to getting Glennon some competitoin but I don’t think we should reach for a QB in the first round…if one drops to us….OK
The outsiders are impressed with Glennon because they’ve scanned his stats and think they compare very well to other young QBs… what they don’t see is that Glennon got sacked once every 10 times he threw a pass because he’d rather take a sack than throw the ball away, and that the Bucs had the 32nd ranked offense in the league. Having great stats on something as horrible as our offense is meaningless, especially with all the safe routes and checkdowns thrown by Glennon when the Bucs were trailing late in games down by multiple scores (aka stat padding)
@Brandon maybe if we had a run game last year then we would be a higher ranked offense. Our O line did horrible protecting Glennon and opening up holes for Martin and Rainey
I agree that Glennon checked down quite a bit last season but in terms of his long term development, these were still good decisions. The guy was progressing slowly just like any rookie would. With another year under his belt and more confidence, Glennon will soar.
There’s too much potential there to give up on him this early. He can make all the throws and is SMART. For that reason, I’m excited for Bucs future with Glennon.
Is it more important to have quality at the WR or RB spots who have to rely on the AB to get them the ball, or at the QB position??
Brady threw it to these guys this past weekend:
J. Edelman 6 84 14.0 0 27 9
D. Amendola 3 77 25.7 0 53 5
S. Vereen 2 16 8.0 0 13 6
A. Collie 1 15 15.0 0 15 1
M. Hoomanawanui 1 6 6.0 0 6 1
K. Thompkins
None of these guys are a VJ or Watkins, IMO. Brady (Manning, Rodgers, etc) is the one who makes them look like All Pros. It is critical to have a franchise player at the QB position. With better coaching, it will be a long time before we have a better opportunity (high draft pick) to draft a franchise QB.
Theres a TE that we could get in the 2nd or 3rd or perhaps even later named Jace Amaro that is very good. 6-5 260, led the nation in receptions and receiving yards. Runs a 4.5 and can block.
Glennons bad habits can be coached out of him. If Tedford can make Joey Harrington and Akili Smith look good enough to draft in the first rd. he’ll do wonders for Glennon!
Analyst are impressed by Glennon when looking at his stats. They should be forced to watch all of his games. Then I will listen to their opinions. When your the QB and your team is ranked dead last in offense there’s an issue. I’m glad Glennon is smart. It will give him something to fall back on if this NFL thing doesn’t work out.
Joe, is there a reason I can’t post? This has happened a few times. And I just now posted and it did not show up. Then I reposted and it said it was a duplicate???
Harry Says:
“Joe, is there a reason I can’t post?”
Sometimes the posts take a few minutes to show up. I fell victim to this last week. I thought the filter was being picky on what I typed, so I typed it differently several times.
MTM Says
“Analyst are impressed by Glennon when looking at his stats. They should be forced to watch all of his games. Then I will listen to their opinions. When your the QB and your team is ranked dead last in offense there’s an issue.”
To be fair, the stats from before Glennon was starting are included in the calculation, MTM.
Is it more important to have quality at the WR or RB spots who have to rely on the AB to get them the ball, or at the QB position??
Brady threw it to these guys this past weekend:
Edelman 6 catches, 84 yds
Amendola 3 catches, 77yds
Vereen 2 catches, 16 yds
Collie 1 catch, 15 yds
Hoomanawanui 1 catch 6 yds
Thompkins 0 catches
The Bradys (Mannings, Rodgers, etc) of the world make those around them better. Not the other way around. Brady does not need a Watkins, or VJ. They would be nice to have, but anyone can see the how much better a great QB makes his team look like All Pros. IMO, because we have better coaching, this will like be the last opportunity (high draft pick) the Bucs might have to draft a franchise QB for many years to come.
Couch Fan Says
“Theres a TE that we could get in the 2nd or 3rd or perhaps even later named Jace Amaro that is very good. 6-5 260, led the nation in receptions and receiving yards. Runs a 4.5 and can block.”
I think we need a good lead blocking FB as well, possibly more so. Get that and our running game will become one of the best.
RE: Dr Phil
They showed him as a Bucs fan when going to commercial, then never touched on it. Sigh.
I feel we need to give Glennon a chance. With a healthy offense, a new slot reciever and TE he might be just what we need. We have to just wait and see. Of the new “Super Star” young quarterbacks, which one did not go to a stacked team? 49ers? Seattle? Colts? Think about it. Maybe Glennon just needs a few more pieces to help him along. I am not saying I think he will be in the Hall of Fame, but with Lovie we are going to have a GREAT defense, so we just need a quarterback that will get us some points and have ball security and Glennon can do that.
Ok, maybe the kid can dosomething with receivers that actually get separation. I love Mike Williams and VJ, but dude, we really needs receivers like a wes welker who has sudden movements and are saavy. I would like to see that on a bucs team for once. Joey Galloway was the last time we had a deep threat, and before him, big slow long striding guys who had very little quickness. I mean Horace Copeland was fast before injury but that was over a decade ago!
I find it funny that they are complaining about being last in stats, but didn’t take into consideration that Josh Freeman stunk it up for 2 TD, 3 INT, for average of just under 200 yards passing for the first for 3 games.
They don’t blame the OC for making bad calls, the crappy blocking from the OLine, or the HC for being so conservative. Nope it’s the QB.
Yep…..watching our recievers is like watching in slow motion…we need someone in the slot that is quick…
Glennon is very accurate on the short passes and it would help him greatly if someone could get open early.
Manning & Brady have that & pick teams apart.
Look at the weapons Brees has….and Matt Ryan has Gonzalez, Jones, White & Douglas….see what happend to “Matty Ice” when he lost Julio….disaster.
I’m glad he didn’t waste his academic time in college, kind of like Aaron Murray who graduated early with a degree in psychology. We may have to address Aaron as Dr Murray.
The Giraffe sniffing around the doors of the Buc’s Palace reminds me of TB Legend Booker Reese who showed up at #1 Buc Place around 4:30 AM trying to get in. I think he was more surprised at his #1 draft selection than anyone.
I remember the 1st time Glennon called an audible, Schiano turned bright red, and called a time out.
I can understand Mike’s frustration, I’ve had mental midgets try to slow me down all my life.
Trade the farm for a QB…..most likely not Bridgewater
Bring in a FA to start….look at the list….not inspiring
Pick up some weapons for Glennon and give him another year.
Here are the downsides….
Trade up….crap shoot…if you lose, it costs for 2 or 3 years
FA- Not much downside….just cap space (guestionalbe upside)
Give Glennon another year- another 4-12 season with easier schedule equals higher draft pick in 15 Hundley, Mariota, Winston & others available
Those who think Glennon is not good enough will be rewarded with a poor season in 14 and their coveted franchise QB in the 2015 draft
Joe didn’t we just see what happens to a FQB like Brees when his receivers and OL are not doing it. We need a better receiver and OL line corps before we can ever know what we have. You can’t have your QB getting hit the entire game and expect him to last a season and wonder why their receivers are open and our are not.
@Brandon. Exactly. A 60% completion percentage means nothing when youre thowing 3-5 yard dump offs on 2nd and long, 3rd and long. His style of play is high percentage, low risk, 3 & out, lose, go home.
And his sacks. As someone brought up earlier, his sack average per game is 2nd worst in the NFL.
What baffles me the most, is how he has the balls to reference that Seattle game, which he not only lost, but couldnt “manage” to win that game after a 21-0 head start. 3 points in the 3rd qtr. Zero points in the 4th. That happened way too often with this guy.
This kid doesnt know how to close. Didn’t Joe mention how we only average 5 second half points?
We’ve given him practically an entire preseason, and 13 more games. Ive seen enough. He’s solid competion for a backup gig, and he knows it. Thats why he made sure he got that Masters to fall back on.
So why is the 2015 QB class not a crap shoot, but this one is?
It’s a crap shoot every year at every position.
But when you need a QB, get one. Maybe Glennon could learn how to “manage our offense”. To win in this league you have to do much more than that at QB.
Average 200 yards passing, 2.8 yards rushing (per game)
Average 1.7 TDs per game
Average .7 Interceptions per game
Average 19 of 32 completions per game
Average 3 sacks per game
Average .5 fumbles per game
Drew Brees over same 13 games
Average of 318.5 yards per game, 2.2 yards rushing
Average 2.2 TDs per game
Average .6 Interceptions per game
Average 28 of 40 completions per game
Average 2 sacks per game
Average .4 fumbles per game
Now, you may wonder why I compared Glennon with one of the best in the league? Because Brees is the best in our division and he must better him in order to enter the playoffs.
Over the 13 games, this means Brees had 4140.5, Glennon had 2600. Brees had 28.6 TDS, while Glennon had 19. Brees had 26 sacks, while Glennon had 40. Brees had 5 fumbles while Glennon had 7.
Some of the stats are close, but not the important ones,
The most important thing to know is that both NFC teams who made the playoffs were one and done…so our QB must be much better to go all the way.
Eric Says
“So why is the 2015 QB class not a crap shoot, but this one is?
It’s a crap shoot every year at every position.”
You are right. And people always claim the following year will be better. In 2008, it was said the 2009 QB class would be great. So far, it hasn’t been.
“But when you need a QB, get one. Maybe Glennon could learn how to “manage our offense”. To win in this league you have to do much more than that at QB.”
I agree 1000%. So what if Glennon has some potential. The main thing is to get am elite QB as quickly as possible, and that means having as many opportunities as we can get to increase our chances.
If I’m thinking of a number between 1 & 10, and I give you one chance to guess it, then you MIGHT get it. Chances are 1 in 10.
If I give you 2 guesses, your chance becomes 1 in 5.
If I give you 3 guesses, your chance becomes 1 in 3.
@Bonzai – You’re comparing a rookie to a hall of famer in the prime of his career. There’s a reason that he’s going to be in the hall. It’s because there are very, very few people that can do what he does. To just arbitrarily say that Glennon is not worth having because he isn’t doing better than one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time is silly.
13 games is over 3/4 a season, 3 bad games by Josh can be made up over 13 games. He may not have been the sole reason for the leagues worst offense, but he certainly contributed a big part of it. Foles at least showed signs of being capable of putting the team on his shoulders and leading them back into a game, remember?
Lovie will go D and special teams this year and take them from just good to elite. We need O-line, a speedy WR, and quality depth first before reaching on a QB. Unless a top 3 QB drops, there is no need to reach.
As much as I hate it, Glennon is serviceable in 2014…Just need to have low expectations, don’t expect him to bring us back or lead any 4 quarter come backs anything. Glennon will be our K. Orton in 2014. Unless Glennon does something he never has and wows in 2014, I think 2015 is when we make a move at QB.
It will be all about the D, special teams, and running game next year…Buc ball is back!
the “best QB” in a division in any given year is the one with the winningest team, or the one with the last team standing in the postseason. this year the “best QB” was cam newton. last year it was matt ryan. this is a team sport. instead of assuming that we can’t win without a hall of famer, we should follow the lead of the organization with the 3rd most skilled QB in the division (newton), and build a complete team that can complement its QB’s abilities and offset his limitations.
Can you believe the hipocracy?….Glennon is not good enough, so lets trade up to get a QB (probablynot Birdgewater)
And they also fear this will be our best shot because we are draftinmg at 7…..
If Glennon is as bad as they think….we’ll be drafting at 2 or 3 and the teams above us will probably have already drafted their “Franchise QB” this year!!!
Bonzai, first off, just look at the difference in yards per game. With Glennon having more attempts.
Second, His TD average in 2013 is 1.46, Brees’ TD average in 2013 was 2.43. So youre already skewing numbers, or youre just bad at math. So I wont bother to verify the rest.
Well, isn’t this the great debate. I can’t wait for the Draft. Anywho, I’m glad Glennon is smart but he has zero athleticism. He did okay this past year regardless of what excuses or reasons you can muster up. Blame the coach, scheme, OL or whatever fact is he doesn’t make those around him better. Rookie QBs have done that before so it’s no unreasonable to think he should.
Do you honestly think he’ll one day be better than the QBs in our division, let alone the NFL? He needs legit competition, not another 3rd round QB or retread vet QB. IMO we should move up and get a QB. Hopefully Bridgewater since the Texans want to trade the pic. Worse case we have a backup QB that’s good that we can trade for future picks. Of course we have holes elsewhere on the team but that’s true no matter if we pick a DE, OL or WR. No matter who you Draft is a crapshoot anyway and if one of these QBs in the 1st round fits the new scheme, do it! Draft picks are only good if you use them. One thing is for sure, if Glennon is our starting QB and he gets injured cause Lord knows he had no mobility and our backup is say Orlovsky, we’re in for a long season.
Are you really going to compare a rookie QB to Tom Brady!??? You are an idiot if you are and your points about who Brady throws to are irrelevant! We had a bad offense because of the playbook and the moron running it, not the rookie QB!!
Checking down is not a bad thing and if ya know anything about Sullivan and the system he runs, its 2 looks and then the checkdown, so cant fault a guy for doing what he told by his coaches…If Lovie can win with shitty ass Jay Cutler I am not worried about having Glennon be our starter…OUR QB IS NOT THE PROBLEM PEOPLE!!!
“I agree 1000%. So what if Glennon has some potential. The main thing is to get am elite QB as quickly as possible, and that means having as many opportunities as we can get to increase our chances.
If I’m thinking of a number between 1 & 10, and I give you one chance to guess it, then you MIGHT get it. Chances are 1 in 10.
If I give you 2 guesses, your chance becomes 1 in 5.
If I give you 3 guesses, your chance becomes 1 in 3.
The more options we get, the better our chances.”
What? It’s about quality over mediocrity. We can pick 10 Glennons out of 10 chances, and still not have an even average QB.
Why do people continue to point out who Brady threw to this weekend?! Is Brady a rookie? When Brady was a rookie did he make all of these backups better? Sure, now that he is a first ballot HOF QB he can make all of these players better but as a rookie he was just some sixth round pick who might not make the team. I’d put my money on Glennon making a bunch of backup WRs better in 10+ years too. The way we are headed it will just be for another team.
“It’s lunacy. It’s almost like they want a change just for the sake of change.”
Noooooo. It’s pretty much like we’re sick of not making the playoffs and everyone saying, “well just give it one more year”. In todays NFL, windows open and shut faster than Akeem Spence on an Alabama highway.
It’s because people think that just because ESPN talks about Manning and Brady all the time then that means that they’re really the only people doing anything on the team.
Good for Glennon. Hope we get our guys back (Martin, James, Williams, maybe Nicks) add to that a speed slot WR (Watkins) and give him another year. I don’t know how anyone can say Glennon cant end up being Matt Ryan or Phillip Rivers or Eli Manning with all (Freeman, MRSA, injuries, Schiano, etc) that went on this year. Remember he didn’t get all the snaps in the preseason like Russell Martin, Andrew Luck or RG3 did the previous year.
Comparing Glennon’s #s to Breeze isn’t even fair…1st Breeze is not a rookie…2nd Glennon played with a scabbed O-line, a 3rd string RB, and one starting caliber WR…3rd those coaches were not fired for nothing, it was cause they sucked. I am not saying that Glennon is the man, but when you guys act like you know for certain that he is not, your idiots. Breeze’s numbers are better than the other 2 QBs in the NFC playoffs and it wasnt enough to send him to the superbowl.
Noooooo. It’s pretty much like we’re sick of not making the playoffs and everyone saying, “well just give it one more year”. In todays NFL, windows open and shut faster than Akeem Spence on an Alabama highway.
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Right because if a rookie doesn’t show in his first year that he can win it all. Throw him out!… Wonderful logic there.
No QB will stand a chance here with that kind of mentality.
So that dingleberry Mel Kiper has us picking a LB in the first round. And he has Manziel going to the Texans, and Bridgewater going to the Vikings, one pick after us. How does this guy even have a job?!
Mel Kiper’s new mock has the Bucs passing on Teddy Bridgewater at 7. Falls all the way to #8 Vikings. OK, everybody all together now, let’s dump on Kiper! lol
If you’re waiting and hoping that the Bucs are going to search high and low until they find an “elite” QB you are going to be waiting for a long time.
Did no one listen when Lovie said he can when 10 games on defense alone? The guy doesn’t put much stock in haing a top teir QB…Glennon is exactly the type of QB that he is looking for.
He’s not going to put the team on his back and win games but he wont make the mistakes that will cost you games.
If you’re waiting for Lovie, a Dungy disciple, to break the bank on a QB keep dreaming.
You guys assume wrongly that if Glennon doesn’t progress were gonna go 3-13 and have a high pick.
Not necessarily our new coach is a master at winning with lousy qb play.
So we can end up without the opportunity to get a man under center who can take us to a championship if we screw around and don’t take advantage of our high pick now.
OK, everybody, all together let’s dump on NFL.com too, because they have us passing on Blake Bortles too. Seem as though underclassmen like OT Greg Robinson pushing into top ten.
Just kidding fellas, between now and the end of the combine there will be a hundred mocks and the final ones will look quite different today. I do enjoy the comments when you throw red meat in the dog pound! Come on guys, get us a QB! lol
I wonder if Drew Brees had that “it” factor in 2003 (his 3rd year) when he went 2-9 in his 11 starts for a 57% CP, 2108 yards, 11 TDs and 15 ints? He also had a healthy LT in his prime running for 1600 yards. He averaged a whopping 191 yards a game. Maybe a little experience and proper coaching helped Brees become who he is? Just a thought. Instead we had a ROOKIE (not 3rd year) QB that had some excellent games mixed with some bad ones who ended up with a better record, much better stats without a HOF RB and offensive HC calling proper plays. But you know what, Glennon won’t ever be anything more than a backup.
“If you’re waiting for Lovie, a Dungy disciple, to break the bank on a QB keep dreaming.”
If you think Lovie is dumb enough to follow Dungy’s offensive philosophy in Tampa, and his own philosophy in Chi, which got them both fired, then you must take him for a fool.
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a Super Bowl. Lovie’s no dumbass. He made it clear how he was fortunate to have a year off to reflect on his career. If you think he’s content to sticking to the Dilfer/Dungy Grossman/Smith blueprint, and that he sold this plan to the Glazers, who’s really dreaming?
“If you think Lovie is dumb enough to follow Dungy’s offensive philosophy in Tampa, and his own philosophy in Chi, which got them both fired, then you must take him for a fool.”
Lovie himself said he could win 10 games on defens alone and a good QB could get you another two.
His words not mine.
“And no, of course I don’t expect Lovie to break the bank on a QB. I expect the Glazers to.”
Lovie is in charge of personel decisions so yeah it would be his call where to spend the money.
So Glennon is saying the only reason he threw the ball is based on the penalty. Otherwise he wouldn’t have “risked” throwing the touchdown. I agree he’s smart and has an arm, but he doesn’t have the intangibles to be a good QB. He Doesn’t have confidence as a QB, you can see it in the pocket when he takes sacks. And you see it in the throws he makes. Way too many check downs and throws out of bounds. He’s scare to make plays. Scared to throw into coverage with an accurate pass. He’s a robot, unable to take a risk, and throw to anyone other than logical wide open check downs for 3 yards.
Isn’t it funny,strange,bias, hypocritical and just plain unfair to hold Glennon to a different and higher standard than Josh Freeman was? Free man’s supporters were never referenced as a “mob”. Notice, the one’s calling for Glennon’s benching were the same ones who used to cry out on this blog and on the radio,”but he’s(Freeman) only 24″. Notice , not one of ” the Glennon mob ” has used that excuse. Truth be told his detractors are just pissed off’d that Josh screwed up her and MN. Oh I know – it was all Schiano. BS! What happens if Lovie sticks with him? Is there going to be a concerted (orchestrated campaign) to run Lovie out of town? Let’s see, Gruden , Schiano will Smith be your trifectra? Give the man a break, let him show this coaching staff what he brings to the game and let them decide whether he cuts muster. Joe, you make it seem that Glennon ask permission to write his article, is that true or was he asked to do so?
Stop looking at stats! Glennon is terrible on third down instead if throwing to the weapons he had he always threw it to the check down for little gain. He’s not a playmaker. He refuses to make them and isn’t dynamic enough to lead a team who is built around defense. We need a special QB since the offense won’t be the focus of the team. Look at 9ers, Seahawks, and panther. Teams built around defense but have dynamic qbs to make up for the lacking offensive talent. That’s what the bucs need. The bucs do not need the worst offense in the league because the QB is afraid to make plays.
@Tampabaybucfan Says:
“Can you believe the hipocracy?….Glennon is not good enough, so lets trade up to get a QB (probablynot Birdgewater)
And they also fear this will be our best shot because we are draftinmg at 7…..
If Glennon is as bad as they think….we’ll be drafting at 2 or 3 and the teams above us will probably have already drafted their “Franchise QB” this year!!!”
I think you keep quoting me, but out of context. So let me address my feeling a little clearer.
1) I think Glennon is pretty darn good, especially for a 3rd rd pick. I see him being Alex Smith – pretty good.
2) I would give up whatever it takes for Bridgewater. I think he is special. And why do you keep saying “probably not Bridgewater”? Houston is on record saying they will trade the #1 pick. I never said trade up and give away the farm for Manziel, although if Lovie deems him worthy, I am all in.
3) This is our best shot IMO. I do think with Lovies coaching Glennon will be good enough to get us to about 500 (maybe higher, but not good enough to win playoff games). That puts us in the teens for drafting, at best. Too low to make a deal for a stud QB in the draft.
What I want to see is what Glennon can do with Mike Williams, Vincent Jackson, Tim Wright (if he can bulk up this offseason to 230 or so) and Doug Martin all on the same field. If Josh Freeman and sleep in meetings and do well with them, I want to see what Glennon can do.
It’s OBVIOUS that Joe Bucs Fan doesn’t want Glennon around. I mean forget all of the Johnny Football love we see at every corner, but it’s articles like this that prove it. You have to say that Glennon is working every angle like he is lobbying for his job. You don’t think that maybe they contacted him with regards to the Seattle game? It seems every chance JBF can take a jab at this kid they do. Let’s try not to forget he is a ROOKIE, that for the most part had NO offseason work, thrown into a bad situation with not much talent to work with and performed admirably. Outside of the constant flack he gets from JBF and other locals he has done what? Well, he was named to the 1st Team All Rookie Team, Broke almost every QB Rookie record for the Bucs, is loved by many in NFL circles, is a smart kid who is first to the complex and last to leave, is a tall QB with a big arm and WANTS to work. Sounds like someone we need to get rid of. But why don’t we try to embrace him, surround him with some help and see if he can blossum? What a crazy idea that is. After all he is a Schiano pick right? I mean when ever a draft pick or FA works out then he was a Rock Star Dominick guy but if he doesn’t or is genrally disliked then he’s a Schiano guy right?
I want to win and see the Bucs rise back to respectability whoever the QB is. But honestly, after reading post after post about how awful Glennon is(which I think is an unfair criticism for a rookie), I hope he blows the doors off this thing. I’m rooting for the kid. Go Mike! Make’em eat crow!
Most of all, GO BUCS!!!
A BUCin Good Time Says:
January 15th, 2014 at 4:19 pm
It’s OBVIOUS that Joe Bucs Fan doesn’t want Glennon around. I mean forget all of the Johnny Football love we see at every corner, but it’s articles like this that prove it. You have to say that Glennon is working every angle like he is lobbying for his job.
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It’s obvious that you have no clue to the rules of the game. Why so serious??? Understand the rules to the game, then you’ll get why Joe’s bringin up Glennon’s approach to the game. The Joe’s play their parts well. Clicks. So well, that theyve created a website for all Glennon Mobbers to stroke each others “ego”, while the rest of the Bucs community looks forward to bigger and better at the QB position. So keep strokin each other guys… We wont judge..
Glennon should be lobbying for his job. He was terrible last year. If the bucs decide to not bring in competition for Glennon then I will deal with it and support him. But after watching 13 games of him last season I can honestly say I do not think Glennon is good enough to be a starting QB. Certainly not a guy that could lead a team to the playoffs. If he ever did make it to the playoffs it would be because the bucs defense and Doug Martin carried him there.
You know what’s a really good way to never build a strong roster? Go into every year trying to upgrade the exact same positions and never try to develop the guys that don’t look like hall of famers after one or two years.
Upgrayyed Says
“Bonzai, first off, just look at the difference in yards per game. With Glennon having more attempts.
Second, His TD average in 2013 is 1.46, Brees’ TD average in 2013 was 2.43. So youre already skewing numbers, or youre just bad at math. So I wont bother to verify the rest.”
Okay, I said it in the original post, but here goes again. The numbers for Brees are his final 13 games, the same number of weeks that Glennon played, the same part of the year. So looking at the stats for Brees as they are ATM will not do you any good…you actually have to do some math.
Patrick in VA & Couch Fan
As I said, I was comparing them to Brees BECAUSE BREES IS THE ONE HE HAS TO BE ABLE TO BEAT to get us to the playoffs.
In other words…he must be the best QB in the NFC South. I don’t give a rats butt if Glennon is a rookie. It doesn’t change the path to the playoffs, and that path goes thru Brees, Ryan and Newton…Brees being the top guy.
Tampabaybucfan Says
“If Glennon is as bad as they think….we’ll be drafting at 2 or 3 and the teams above us will probably have already drafted their “Franchise QB” this year!!!”
So, okay, you are completely satisfied with losing a lot of games next year? Come on, TBF, you know that would mean a new coach again. Glazers will wish to see improvement, and in order to get of of the top 3 picks, we would only be able to win 2 games.
At least be realistic.
There is no need to trade up and sacrifice picks, because someone good will fall to us. And even if it isn’t a QB, there are going to be guys released that can compete with Glennon…like a Mark Sanchez, for example.
gotbbucs Says
“You know what’s a really good way to never build a strong roster? Go into every year trying to upgrade the exact same positions and never try to develop the guys that don’t look like hall of famers after one or two years.”
You know a really good way to miss the playoffs for the next 5 years? Rely on a 3rd round quarterback “maybe” developing into a good starter.
“Okay, I said it in the original post, but here goes again. The numbers for Brees are his final 13 games, the same number of weeks that Glennon played, the same part of the year. So looking at the stats for Brees as they are ATM will not do you any good…you actually have to do some math.”
If you want to fully evaluate someone, why the shit arent you taking in their entire body of work? Breese played a full season, Glennon played 13/16th of a season. So instead of nitpicking which games to include and which games to omit, JUDGE THEM PER GAME. And THAT will be the TRUTH… You number skewing mot – …..
To everyone citing stats, third-down conversion percentage, the fact that he checked down instead of taking the riskier play, the fact that Glennon didn’t do anything in the second half, etc.:
Why don’t you go back and listen to the new OC and noted QB Guru Jeff Tedford and pay attention to where he says, “WE DON’T KNOW WHAT HE WAS ASKED TO DO LAST YEAR”. I’m so over everyone talking about what Glennon did or didn’t do last season when no one has any knowledge of what Schiano and Sully asked of him.
We all agree that Sully’s schemes were horrible; that Schiano was overly conservative (especially in the second half where he admitted numerous times that they were just trying to be careful and not turn the ball over); that there were far more injuries and players coming back from injuries than most teams deal with in a season, especially on the offense; that Glennon had zero help anywhere around him; and that he was a rookie who got thrown into the fire in the middle of a coach vs QB MRSA-filled mess. Yet, after agreeing on all of these things, people treat Glennon like he should have told the coaching staff to f off and turned the group of nobodies around him into all-pros and won us 10 games.
No one is saying Glennon was great this season. All the supposed MGM are saying is that this season should be looked at as experience for Glennon, and he should be given a chance to compete for the starting job next season without being treated like the problem on a team full of holes. There is obviously no changing some people’s minds, and they will scream that the season is doomed if Glennon is the starter this year; but how about everyone trusts the new coaches that we’ve all agreed are much better equipped to handle this team to make the decision, and we support them fully after that? It’s a lot to ask, I know.
Actually, I can:
I’m so sick of these naysayers that I’ve actually found myself rooting for the kid. What some don’t understand is that there are absolutely NO guarantees that another rookie(1st round or not) or even another veteran will do any better. Just shut up and wait till it unfolds. We’ll know soon enough.
I want the Bucs to win. PERIOD! It really doesn’t matter who’s at the helm.
January 15th, 2014 at 11:38 am
Please god let us draft a QB. Glennon is alright but the key word there is alright. For once in my life as a Bucs fan I would like to get to experience an actual Franchise quarterback
January 15th, 2014 at 11:39 am
Glennon sucks.
January 15th, 2014 at 11:41 am
Glennon is a hard worker and has the capability of grasping an offense. He has some positive attributes and a few drawbacks. It’s hard to evaluate what type of player he can become based on a rookie season in a lackluster offense. He might have a good chance to be the starter if Lovie and Tedford think he has what it takes. The free agent market for QBs this year doesn’t offer anything exciting and might only provide competition, but not an upgrade to Glennon. The draft is the best place to get a QB this year, but Lovie might want to fill another area of need.
January 15th, 2014 at 11:42 am
Glennon is going to be our guy, much to the Freemanites dismay.
January 15th, 2014 at 11:43 am
Sounds like Mayock and others on the “outside” are more impressed with Glennon than we locals are. Are we being too critical?
January 15th, 2014 at 11:48 am
Glennon will prove all yall wrong next year when Lovie and Tedford give him a chance!
January 15th, 2014 at 11:48 am
Who is the guaranteed franchise QB in the draft ? Thanks
January 15th, 2014 at 11:50 am
Glennon definitely has the brains to be an NFL QB. He is a stark contrast in the IQ dept. to our previous “franchise” QB. I think in a new offensive system, and with more experience under his belt, he could be good if not better than good. Although I would not anoint him as our starter and bringing in competition i.e., through the draft or free agency is never a bad thing IMO.
January 15th, 2014 at 11:55 am
At #7, I just don’t see us landing either a top-notch QB or Clowney. 4 of the 6 teams drafting ahead of us need QBs. And Clowney will never make it past Atlanta. I’m starting to think OL.
January 15th, 2014 at 11:57 am
Has nothing to do with “freemanites”. It has too do with the fact that teams cannot takke the time to develop QBs without having alternatives in the meanwhiele anymore.
Personally, I’m not discounting the possibility that Gennon coud be great…one day. Heck, part of me thnks Jordan Rogers will be hyped by training camp too.
I bellieve e we need to load up on QBs and tkeep the three best. If we start the season with Gennon, a 1st rounder and Mark Sanchez, I would be happy. One of them has to catch on.
January 15th, 2014 at 11:59 am
I like the fact that Mike is a smart guy borderline nerd. Growing up a smart guy/nerd myself I can appreciate high GPA’s, masters degree’s, and book study of any kind. Athleticism is great but between the ears is better. IE: Billy Jean I mean Freeman,was not a very heady guy…
January 15th, 2014 at 11:59 am
Bill Says
“Who is the guaranteed franchise QB in the draft ? Thanks”
Who aare the guaranteed but QBs in the draft? Thanks.
January 15th, 2014 at 12:03 pm
We may have it tough but how about the Bengals? Lose both coordinators, have a huge question mark in Dalton, and a head coach who has won nothing despite keeping his job for ten years.
January 15th, 2014 at 12:03 pm
lets go glennon.
January 15th, 2014 at 12:09 pm
Wait, Joe is this really you writing this article? The Joe I know would ignore any achievement of Mr. Glennon and only look at stereotypes (eventhough a mobile QB has never won a superbowl).
January 15th, 2014 at 12:09 pm
@BuccaneerBonzai Says:
“…Personally, I’m not discounting the possibility that Gennon coud be great…
I bellieve e we need to load up on QBs and tkeep the three best…”
I agree, and to continue with that line of thinking… This is the best plan to be sure the Bucs have their first real franchise QB. Draft a 1st rd QB to compete with Glennon – best man wins. If MGM’s are right, GREAT; and we have a backup who we can get our investment back from in the form of trading for a future 1st rd pick. If the new rookie (Teddy?) is the winner, and worst case, Glennon bombs, GREAT, we finally have our franchise QB and if we wanted, we can likely trade Glennon for a 3rd rd pick.
How can we loose in that scenario?
For those of you advocating drafting Watkins, as an upgrade over Underwood, Brady makes his backups look like superstars. If you don’t have a great QB to throw them the ball, what good does it do to have a VJ or Watkins, or Mike-Will?
January 15th, 2014 at 12:17 pm
I’d like to see Glennon with some healthy weapons…MW19, Nicks, Joseph, Doug Martin…..and a couple of additions…..Sammy Watkins would be a good start along with another TE.
I’d also like to see what a guy like Tedford can do for him.
The NFL wasn’t too big for Glennon…I like his demeanor, smarts, youth and pricetag.
This team needs at least another year in development (unfortunately)…might as well give him a shot.
I am not opposed to getting Glennon some competitoin but I don’t think we should reach for a QB in the first round…if one drops to us….OK
January 15th, 2014 at 12:19 pm
The outsiders are impressed with Glennon because they’ve scanned his stats and think they compare very well to other young QBs… what they don’t see is that Glennon got sacked once every 10 times he threw a pass because he’d rather take a sack than throw the ball away, and that the Bucs had the 32nd ranked offense in the league. Having great stats on something as horrible as our offense is meaningless, especially with all the safe routes and checkdowns thrown by Glennon when the Bucs were trailing late in games down by multiple scores (aka stat padding)
January 15th, 2014 at 12:37 pm
@Brandon maybe if we had a run game last year then we would be a higher ranked offense. Our O line did horrible protecting Glennon and opening up holes for Martin and Rainey
January 15th, 2014 at 12:37 pm
The outsiders are impressed with Glennon because they’ve scanned his stats and think they compare very well to other young QBs…
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Right only us locals watch the game tape and know what we are talking about. Lol.
January 15th, 2014 at 12:41 pm
@Brandon
I agree that Glennon checked down quite a bit last season but in terms of his long term development, these were still good decisions. The guy was progressing slowly just like any rookie would. With another year under his belt and more confidence, Glennon will soar.
There’s too much potential there to give up on him this early. He can make all the throws and is SMART. For that reason, I’m excited for Bucs future with Glennon.
January 15th, 2014 at 12:41 pm
Is it more important to have quality at the WR or RB spots who have to rely on the AB to get them the ball, or at the QB position??
Brady threw it to these guys this past weekend:
J. Edelman 6 84 14.0 0 27 9
D. Amendola 3 77 25.7 0 53 5
S. Vereen 2 16 8.0 0 13 6
A. Collie 1 15 15.0 0 15 1
M. Hoomanawanui 1 6 6.0 0 6 1
K. Thompkins
None of these guys are a VJ or Watkins, IMO. Brady (Manning, Rodgers, etc) is the one who makes them look like All Pros. It is critical to have a franchise player at the QB position. With better coaching, it will be a long time before we have a better opportunity (high draft pick) to draft a franchise QB.
January 15th, 2014 at 12:42 pm
Theres a TE that we could get in the 2nd or 3rd or perhaps even later named Jace Amaro that is very good. 6-5 260, led the nation in receptions and receiving yards. Runs a 4.5 and can block.
January 15th, 2014 at 12:43 pm
Nice to know the kid has a good work ethic and is smart.
However, we still need to draft another QB and trade up to do it if necessary.
January 15th, 2014 at 12:45 pm
Glennons bad habits can be coached out of him. If Tedford can make Joey Harrington and Akili Smith look good enough to draft in the first rd. he’ll do wonders for Glennon!
January 15th, 2014 at 12:48 pm
Analyst are impressed by Glennon when looking at his stats. They should be forced to watch all of his games. Then I will listen to their opinions. When your the QB and your team is ranked dead last in offense there’s an issue. I’m glad Glennon is smart. It will give him something to fall back on if this NFL thing doesn’t work out.
January 15th, 2014 at 12:50 pm
Joe, is there a reason I can’t post? This has happened a few times. And I just now posted and it did not show up. Then I reposted and it said it was a duplicate???
January 15th, 2014 at 12:50 pm
Everyone needs to turn on Doctor Phil right now!
January 15th, 2014 at 12:51 pm
The show is about people obsessed with winning, and a Buccaneer fan is next, lol.
January 15th, 2014 at 12:54 pm
The only people that think Glennon is good are the people that evaluate talent for a living.
January 15th, 2014 at 12:54 pm
Harry Says:
“Joe, is there a reason I can’t post?”
Sometimes the posts take a few minutes to show up. I fell victim to this last week. I thought the filter was being picky on what I typed, so I typed it differently several times.
A few minutes later they all showed up.
January 15th, 2014 at 12:56 pm
MTM Says
“Analyst are impressed by Glennon when looking at his stats. They should be forced to watch all of his games. Then I will listen to their opinions. When your the QB and your team is ranked dead last in offense there’s an issue.”
To be fair, the stats from before Glennon was starting are included in the calculation, MTM.
January 15th, 2014 at 12:57 pm
Is it more important to have quality at the WR or RB spots who have to rely on the AB to get them the ball, or at the QB position??
Brady threw it to these guys this past weekend:
Edelman 6 catches, 84 yds
Amendola 3 catches, 77yds
Vereen 2 catches, 16 yds
Collie 1 catch, 15 yds
Hoomanawanui 1 catch 6 yds
Thompkins 0 catches
The Bradys (Mannings, Rodgers, etc) of the world make those around them better. Not the other way around. Brady does not need a Watkins, or VJ. They would be nice to have, but anyone can see the how much better a great QB makes his team look like All Pros. IMO, because we have better coaching, this will like be the last opportunity (high draft pick) the Bucs might have to draft a franchise QB for many years to come.
January 15th, 2014 at 12:59 pm
Coach’im up Ted! Show’em whatcha got kid!
January 15th, 2014 at 12:59 pm
Couch Fan Says
“Theres a TE that we could get in the 2nd or 3rd or perhaps even later named Jace Amaro that is very good. 6-5 260, led the nation in receptions and receiving yards. Runs a 4.5 and can block.”
I think we need a good lead blocking FB as well, possibly more so. Get that and our running game will become one of the best.
RE: Dr Phil
They showed him as a Bucs fan when going to commercial, then never touched on it. Sigh.
January 15th, 2014 at 1:03 pm
I feel we need to give Glennon a chance. With a healthy offense, a new slot reciever and TE he might be just what we need. We have to just wait and see. Of the new “Super Star” young quarterbacks, which one did not go to a stacked team? 49ers? Seattle? Colts? Think about it. Maybe Glennon just needs a few more pieces to help him along. I am not saying I think he will be in the Hall of Fame, but with Lovie we are going to have a GREAT defense, so we just need a quarterback that will get us some points and have ball security and Glennon can do that.
January 15th, 2014 at 1:03 pm
Glennon threw the ball away & got sacked for several reasons….
Poor O-line play
Down & Distance due to poor playcalling & no running game
WRs not getting open
Fear of Interceptions (Schiano)
And…yes, his lack of mobility and he was a ROOKIE!!!
January 15th, 2014 at 1:04 pm
Ok, maybe the kid can dosomething with receivers that actually get separation. I love Mike Williams and VJ, but dude, we really needs receivers like a wes welker who has sudden movements and are saavy. I would like to see that on a bucs team for once. Joey Galloway was the last time we had a deep threat, and before him, big slow long striding guys who had very little quickness. I mean Horace Copeland was fast before injury but that was over a decade ago!
January 15th, 2014 at 1:05 pm
“The only people that think Glennon is good are the people that evaluate talent for a living.”
LOL.. So true
January 15th, 2014 at 1:09 pm
I find it funny that they are complaining about being last in stats, but didn’t take into consideration that Josh Freeman stunk it up for 2 TD, 3 INT, for average of just under 200 yards passing for the first for 3 games.
They don’t blame the OC for making bad calls, the crappy blocking from the OLine, or the HC for being so conservative. Nope it’s the QB.
January 15th, 2014 at 1:11 pm
Didn’t he have chances? Did he make his teammates better?
January 15th, 2014 at 1:12 pm
@ David
Yep…..watching our recievers is like watching in slow motion…we need someone in the slot that is quick…
Glennon is very accurate on the short passes and it would help him greatly if someone could get open early.
Manning & Brady have that & pick teams apart.
Look at the weapons Brees has….and Matt Ryan has Gonzalez, Jones, White & Douglas….see what happend to “Matty Ice” when he lost Julio….disaster.
January 15th, 2014 at 1:12 pm
Either you are using a computer (ISP) that Joe’s filter doesn’t like or you are typing something that triggers the spam filer, such as a naughty word?
January 15th, 2014 at 1:13 pm
@ Joe
I think he made Tim Wright look pretty good….
January 15th, 2014 at 1:15 pm
Glennon is more than capable to run this offense. Spend the #7 pick on something that we NEED (slot receiver, DE, OL)
January 15th, 2014 at 1:18 pm
Didn’t he have chances? Did he make his teammates better?
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Which rookie besides a very select few has done that?
That is a silly way to judge a rookie. Somehow I really doubt you would have that mindset with a certain Johnny Football.
January 15th, 2014 at 1:19 pm
Not good enough to win. 🙁
January 15th, 2014 at 1:20 pm
I’m glad he didn’t waste his academic time in college, kind of like Aaron Murray who graduated early with a degree in psychology. We may have to address Aaron as Dr Murray.
The Giraffe sniffing around the doors of the Buc’s Palace reminds me of TB Legend Booker Reese who showed up at #1 Buc Place around 4:30 AM trying to get in. I think he was more surprised at his #1 draft selection than anyone.
I remember the 1st time Glennon called an audible, Schiano turned bright red, and called a time out.
I can understand Mike’s frustration, I’ve had mental midgets try to slow me down all my life.
January 15th, 2014 at 1:21 pm
A lot of these brilliant evaluators went on and on about what a great hire Schiano was.
We need a dynamic playmaker at QB.
Otherwise we’re spinning our wheels.
January 15th, 2014 at 1:25 pm
So…here are the choices:
Trade the farm for a QB…..most likely not Bridgewater
Bring in a FA to start….look at the list….not inspiring
Pick up some weapons for Glennon and give him another year.
Here are the downsides….
Trade up….crap shoot…if you lose, it costs for 2 or 3 years
FA- Not much downside….just cap space (guestionalbe upside)
Give Glennon another year- another 4-12 season with easier schedule equals higher draft pick in 15 Hundley, Mariota, Winston & others available
Those who think Glennon is not good enough will be rewarded with a poor season in 14 and their coveted franchise QB in the 2015 draft
January 15th, 2014 at 1:27 pm
Joe didn’t we just see what happens to a FQB like Brees when his receivers and OL are not doing it. We need a better receiver and OL line corps before we can ever know what we have. You can’t have your QB getting hit the entire game and expect him to last a season and wonder why their receivers are open and our are not.
January 15th, 2014 at 1:30 pm
At worst, he will be a backup who will be 100% prepared to step in against every single opponent week to week. He puts the work in.
I’m more concerned about the OC and QB coach at this point. Even Glennon has more NFL experience than either of them.
January 15th, 2014 at 1:31 pm
Those who think Glennon is not good enough will be rewarded with a poor season in 14 and their coveted franchise QB in the 2015 draft
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Exactly.
January 15th, 2014 at 1:32 pm
@Brandon. Exactly. A 60% completion percentage means nothing when youre thowing 3-5 yard dump offs on 2nd and long, 3rd and long. His style of play is high percentage, low risk, 3 & out, lose, go home.
And his sacks. As someone brought up earlier, his sack average per game is 2nd worst in the NFL.
What baffles me the most, is how he has the balls to reference that Seattle game, which he not only lost, but couldnt “manage” to win that game after a 21-0 head start. 3 points in the 3rd qtr. Zero points in the 4th. That happened way too often with this guy.
This kid doesnt know how to close. Didn’t Joe mention how we only average 5 second half points?
We’ve given him practically an entire preseason, and 13 more games. Ive seen enough. He’s solid competion for a backup gig, and he knows it. Thats why he made sure he got that Masters to fall back on.
January 15th, 2014 at 1:33 pm
So why is the 2015 QB class not a crap shoot, but this one is?
It’s a crap shoot every year at every position.
But when you need a QB, get one. Maybe Glennon could learn how to “manage our offense”. To win in this league you have to do much more than that at QB.
January 15th, 2014 at 1:35 pm
Mike Glennon over 13 games as starter
Average 200 yards passing, 2.8 yards rushing (per game)
Average 1.7 TDs per game
Average .7 Interceptions per game
Average 19 of 32 completions per game
Average 3 sacks per game
Average .5 fumbles per game
Drew Brees over same 13 games
Average of 318.5 yards per game, 2.2 yards rushing
Average 2.2 TDs per game
Average .6 Interceptions per game
Average 28 of 40 completions per game
Average 2 sacks per game
Average .4 fumbles per game
Now, you may wonder why I compared Glennon with one of the best in the league? Because Brees is the best in our division and he must better him in order to enter the playoffs.
Over the 13 games, this means Brees had 4140.5, Glennon had 2600. Brees had 28.6 TDS, while Glennon had 19. Brees had 26 sacks, while Glennon had 40. Brees had 5 fumbles while Glennon had 7.
Some of the stats are close, but not the important ones,
The most important thing to know is that both NFC teams who made the playoffs were one and done…so our QB must be much better to go all the way.
January 15th, 2014 at 1:36 pm
JoeBucsFan that comment below the picture is hilarious
January 15th, 2014 at 1:40 pm
Eric Says
“So why is the 2015 QB class not a crap shoot, but this one is?
It’s a crap shoot every year at every position.”
You are right. And people always claim the following year will be better. In 2008, it was said the 2009 QB class would be great. So far, it hasn’t been.
“But when you need a QB, get one. Maybe Glennon could learn how to “manage our offense”. To win in this league you have to do much more than that at QB.”
I agree 1000%. So what if Glennon has some potential. The main thing is to get am elite QB as quickly as possible, and that means having as many opportunities as we can get to increase our chances.
If I’m thinking of a number between 1 & 10, and I give you one chance to guess it, then you MIGHT get it. Chances are 1 in 10.
If I give you 2 guesses, your chance becomes 1 in 5.
If I give you 3 guesses, your chance becomes 1 in 3.
The more options we get, the better our chances.
January 15th, 2014 at 1:41 pm
So why is the 2015 QB class not a crap shoot, but this one is?
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Has nothing to do with the draft class. It’s about giving the young guys we have a chance before kicking them to the curb prematurely.
@Bonzai
What rookie is going to come in and do better than Brees?
January 15th, 2014 at 1:42 pm
@Bonzai – You’re comparing a rookie to a hall of famer in the prime of his career. There’s a reason that he’s going to be in the hall. It’s because there are very, very few people that can do what he does. To just arbitrarily say that Glennon is not worth having because he isn’t doing better than one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time is silly.
January 15th, 2014 at 1:43 pm
13 games is over 3/4 a season, 3 bad games by Josh can be made up over 13 games. He may not have been the sole reason for the leagues worst offense, but he certainly contributed a big part of it. Foles at least showed signs of being capable of putting the team on his shoulders and leading them back into a game, remember?
Lovie will go D and special teams this year and take them from just good to elite. We need O-line, a speedy WR, and quality depth first before reaching on a QB. Unless a top 3 QB drops, there is no need to reach.
As much as I hate it, Glennon is serviceable in 2014…Just need to have low expectations, don’t expect him to bring us back or lead any 4 quarter come backs anything. Glennon will be our K. Orton in 2014. Unless Glennon does something he never has and wows in 2014, I think 2015 is when we make a move at QB.
It will be all about the D, special teams, and running game next year…Buc ball is back!
January 15th, 2014 at 1:44 pm
the “best QB” in a division in any given year is the one with the winningest team, or the one with the last team standing in the postseason. this year the “best QB” was cam newton. last year it was matt ryan. this is a team sport. instead of assuming that we can’t win without a hall of famer, we should follow the lead of the organization with the 3rd most skilled QB in the division (newton), and build a complete team that can complement its QB’s abilities and offset his limitations.
January 15th, 2014 at 1:45 pm
@ Couch
Can you believe the hipocracy?….Glennon is not good enough, so lets trade up to get a QB (probablynot Birdgewater)
And they also fear this will be our best shot because we are draftinmg at 7…..
If Glennon is as bad as they think….we’ll be drafting at 2 or 3 and the teams above us will probably have already drafted their “Franchise QB” this year!!!
January 15th, 2014 at 1:48 pm
Bonzai, first off, just look at the difference in yards per game. With Glennon having more attempts.
Second, His TD average in 2013 is 1.46, Brees’ TD average in 2013 was 2.43. So youre already skewing numbers, or youre just bad at math. So I wont bother to verify the rest.
January 15th, 2014 at 1:51 pm
@pick6 – sweet jesus, where have you been all my life. thank you
January 15th, 2014 at 2:00 pm
@TBBF
It’s lunacy. It’s almost like they want a change just for the sake of change.
January 15th, 2014 at 2:01 pm
Well, isn’t this the great debate. I can’t wait for the Draft. Anywho, I’m glad Glennon is smart but he has zero athleticism. He did okay this past year regardless of what excuses or reasons you can muster up. Blame the coach, scheme, OL or whatever fact is he doesn’t make those around him better. Rookie QBs have done that before so it’s no unreasonable to think he should.
Do you honestly think he’ll one day be better than the QBs in our division, let alone the NFL? He needs legit competition, not another 3rd round QB or retread vet QB. IMO we should move up and get a QB. Hopefully Bridgewater since the Texans want to trade the pic. Worse case we have a backup QB that’s good that we can trade for future picks. Of course we have holes elsewhere on the team but that’s true no matter if we pick a DE, OL or WR. No matter who you Draft is a crapshoot anyway and if one of these QBs in the 1st round fits the new scheme, do it! Draft picks are only good if you use them. One thing is for sure, if Glennon is our starting QB and he gets injured cause Lord knows he had no mobility and our backup is say Orlovsky, we’re in for a long season.
January 15th, 2014 at 2:05 pm
@ Harry….
Are you really going to compare a rookie QB to Tom Brady!??? You are an idiot if you are and your points about who Brady throws to are irrelevant! We had a bad offense because of the playbook and the moron running it, not the rookie QB!!
Checking down is not a bad thing and if ya know anything about Sullivan and the system he runs, its 2 looks and then the checkdown, so cant fault a guy for doing what he told by his coaches…If Lovie can win with shitty ass Jay Cutler I am not worried about having Glennon be our starter…OUR QB IS NOT THE PROBLEM PEOPLE!!!
January 15th, 2014 at 2:06 pm
“I agree 1000%. So what if Glennon has some potential. The main thing is to get am elite QB as quickly as possible, and that means having as many opportunities as we can get to increase our chances.
If I’m thinking of a number between 1 & 10, and I give you one chance to guess it, then you MIGHT get it. Chances are 1 in 10.
If I give you 2 guesses, your chance becomes 1 in 5.
If I give you 3 guesses, your chance becomes 1 in 3.
The more options we get, the better our chances.”
What? It’s about quality over mediocrity. We can pick 10 Glennons out of 10 chances, and still not have an even average QB.
January 15th, 2014 at 2:07 pm
Why do people continue to point out who Brady threw to this weekend?! Is Brady a rookie? When Brady was a rookie did he make all of these backups better? Sure, now that he is a first ballot HOF QB he can make all of these players better but as a rookie he was just some sixth round pick who might not make the team. I’d put my money on Glennon making a bunch of backup WRs better in 10+ years too. The way we are headed it will just be for another team.
January 15th, 2014 at 2:07 pm
“Derick Says:
January 15th, 2014 at 11:39 am
Glennon sucks.”
No you sucks.
Wait, this is not the childish name calling forum I frequent.
LOL
January 15th, 2014 at 2:08 pm
“It’s lunacy. It’s almost like they want a change just for the sake of change.”
Noooooo. It’s pretty much like we’re sick of not making the playoffs and everyone saying, “well just give it one more year”. In todays NFL, windows open and shut faster than Akeem Spence on an Alabama highway.
If you want it all, then make a move.
January 15th, 2014 at 2:10 pm
It’s because people think that just because ESPN talks about Manning and Brady all the time then that means that they’re really the only people doing anything on the team.
January 15th, 2014 at 2:34 pm
Good for Glennon. Hope we get our guys back (Martin, James, Williams, maybe Nicks) add to that a speed slot WR (Watkins) and give him another year. I don’t know how anyone can say Glennon cant end up being Matt Ryan or Phillip Rivers or Eli Manning with all (Freeman, MRSA, injuries, Schiano, etc) that went on this year. Remember he didn’t get all the snaps in the preseason like Russell Martin, Andrew Luck or RG3 did the previous year.
January 15th, 2014 at 2:37 pm
Comparing Glennon’s #s to Breeze isn’t even fair…1st Breeze is not a rookie…2nd Glennon played with a scabbed O-line, a 3rd string RB, and one starting caliber WR…3rd those coaches were not fired for nothing, it was cause they sucked. I am not saying that Glennon is the man, but when you guys act like you know for certain that he is not, your idiots. Breeze’s numbers are better than the other 2 QBs in the NFC playoffs and it wasnt enough to send him to the superbowl.
January 15th, 2014 at 2:38 pm
well just give it one more year
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Right because if a rookie doesn’t show in his first year that he can win it all. Throw him out!… Wonderful logic there.
No QB will stand a chance here with that kind of mentality.
January 15th, 2014 at 2:39 pm
Noooooo. It’s pretty much like we’re sick of not making the playoffs and everyone saying, “well just give it one more year”. In todays NFL, windows open and shut faster than Akeem Spence on an Alabama highway.
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Right because if a rookie doesn’t show in his first year that he can win it all. Throw him out!… Wonderful logic there.
No QB will stand a chance here with that kind of mentality.
January 15th, 2014 at 2:43 pm
So that dingleberry Mel Kiper has us picking a LB in the first round. And he has Manziel going to the Texans, and Bridgewater going to the Vikings, one pick after us. How does this guy even have a job?!
Mathews Rams pick 2
Clowney Jags pick 3
Bortles Browns pick 4
Sammy Watkins Raiders pick 5
January 15th, 2014 at 2:44 pm
Mel Kiper’s new mock has the Bucs passing on Teddy Bridgewater at 7. Falls all the way to #8 Vikings. OK, everybody all together now, let’s dump on Kiper! lol
January 15th, 2014 at 2:45 pm
He reminds me of a young Tom Brady.
Lanky. Goofy. And unathletic.
But obsessed. And fierce. And a student.
He looks like Matt Ryan.
I think we are lucky to have him in Tampa.
Compared to Josh “the lazy partier” Freeman.
Josh was an overdog. Glennon is an underdog. I like Glennons spirit.
Josh was the worst!
Mike Vick! I want him! He has never been asked to just manage an offense! Jes always asked to do it all.
We should let him be a game manager with a deep ball. Please!
And sign Tebow.
Go Bucs!
January 15th, 2014 at 2:47 pm
lol. I dumped on him one post too early
January 15th, 2014 at 2:51 pm
If you’re waiting and hoping that the Bucs are going to search high and low until they find an “elite” QB you are going to be waiting for a long time.
Did no one listen when Lovie said he can when 10 games on defense alone? The guy doesn’t put much stock in haing a top teir QB…Glennon is exactly the type of QB that he is looking for.
He’s not going to put the team on his back and win games but he wont make the mistakes that will cost you games.
If you’re waiting for Lovie, a Dungy disciple, to break the bank on a QB keep dreaming.
January 15th, 2014 at 2:57 pm
You guys assume wrongly that if Glennon doesn’t progress were gonna go 3-13 and have a high pick.
Not necessarily our new coach is a master at winning with lousy qb play.
So we can end up without the opportunity to get a man under center who can take us to a championship if we screw around and don’t take advantage of our high pick now.
January 15th, 2014 at 3:01 pm
OK, everybody, all together let’s dump on NFL.com too, because they have us passing on Blake Bortles too. Seem as though underclassmen like OT Greg Robinson pushing into top ten.
Just kidding fellas, between now and the end of the combine there will be a hundred mocks and the final ones will look quite different today. I do enjoy the comments when you throw red meat in the dog pound! Come on guys, get us a QB! lol
January 15th, 2014 at 3:01 pm
I wonder if Drew Brees had that “it” factor in 2003 (his 3rd year) when he went 2-9 in his 11 starts for a 57% CP, 2108 yards, 11 TDs and 15 ints? He also had a healthy LT in his prime running for 1600 yards. He averaged a whopping 191 yards a game. Maybe a little experience and proper coaching helped Brees become who he is? Just a thought. Instead we had a ROOKIE (not 3rd year) QB that had some excellent games mixed with some bad ones who ended up with a better record, much better stats without a HOF RB and offensive HC calling proper plays. But you know what, Glennon won’t ever be anything more than a backup.
January 15th, 2014 at 3:06 pm
“If you’re waiting for Lovie, a Dungy disciple, to break the bank on a QB keep dreaming.”
If you think Lovie is dumb enough to follow Dungy’s offensive philosophy in Tampa, and his own philosophy in Chi, which got them both fired, then you must take him for a fool.
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a Super Bowl. Lovie’s no dumbass. He made it clear how he was fortunate to have a year off to reflect on his career. If you think he’s content to sticking to the Dilfer/Dungy Grossman/Smith blueprint, and that he sold this plan to the Glazers, who’s really dreaming?
January 15th, 2014 at 3:08 pm
“If you’re waiting for Lovie, a Dungy disciple, to break the bank on a QB keep dreaming.”
And no, of course I don’t expect Lovie to break the bank on a QB. I expect the Glazers to.
January 15th, 2014 at 3:16 pm
Sure hope we didn’t bring in a qb guru so we can rise to mediocrity at the position.
January 15th, 2014 at 3:19 pm
“If you think Lovie is dumb enough to follow Dungy’s offensive philosophy in Tampa, and his own philosophy in Chi, which got them both fired, then you must take him for a fool.”
Lovie himself said he could win 10 games on defens alone and a good QB could get you another two.
His words not mine.
“And no, of course I don’t expect Lovie to break the bank on a QB. I expect the Glazers to.”
Lovie is in charge of personel decisions so yeah it would be his call where to spend the money.
January 15th, 2014 at 3:22 pm
I like the kid.
January 15th, 2014 at 3:27 pm
So Glennon is saying the only reason he threw the ball is based on the penalty. Otherwise he wouldn’t have “risked” throwing the touchdown. I agree he’s smart and has an arm, but he doesn’t have the intangibles to be a good QB. He Doesn’t have confidence as a QB, you can see it in the pocket when he takes sacks. And you see it in the throws he makes. Way too many check downs and throws out of bounds. He’s scare to make plays. Scared to throw into coverage with an accurate pass. He’s a robot, unable to take a risk, and throw to anyone other than logical wide open check downs for 3 yards.
January 15th, 2014 at 3:33 pm
Isn’t it funny,strange,bias, hypocritical and just plain unfair to hold Glennon to a different and higher standard than Josh Freeman was? Free man’s supporters were never referenced as a “mob”. Notice, the one’s calling for Glennon’s benching were the same ones who used to cry out on this blog and on the radio,”but he’s(Freeman) only 24″. Notice , not one of ” the Glennon mob ” has used that excuse. Truth be told his detractors are just pissed off’d that Josh screwed up her and MN. Oh I know – it was all Schiano. BS! What happens if Lovie sticks with him? Is there going to be a concerted (orchestrated campaign) to run Lovie out of town? Let’s see, Gruden , Schiano will Smith be your trifectra? Give the man a break, let him show this coaching staff what he brings to the game and let them decide whether he cuts muster. Joe, you make it seem that Glennon ask permission to write his article, is that true or was he asked to do so?
January 15th, 2014 at 3:38 pm
Stop looking at stats! Glennon is terrible on third down instead if throwing to the weapons he had he always threw it to the check down for little gain. He’s not a playmaker. He refuses to make them and isn’t dynamic enough to lead a team who is built around defense. We need a special QB since the offense won’t be the focus of the team. Look at 9ers, Seahawks, and panther. Teams built around defense but have dynamic qbs to make up for the lacking offensive talent. That’s what the bucs need. The bucs do not need the worst offense in the league because the QB is afraid to make plays.
January 15th, 2014 at 3:45 pm
@Tampabaybucfan Says:
“Can you believe the hipocracy?….Glennon is not good enough, so lets trade up to get a QB (probablynot Birdgewater)
And they also fear this will be our best shot because we are draftinmg at 7…..
If Glennon is as bad as they think….we’ll be drafting at 2 or 3 and the teams above us will probably have already drafted their “Franchise QB” this year!!!”
I think you keep quoting me, but out of context. So let me address my feeling a little clearer.
1) I think Glennon is pretty darn good, especially for a 3rd rd pick. I see him being Alex Smith – pretty good.
2) I would give up whatever it takes for Bridgewater. I think he is special. And why do you keep saying “probably not Bridgewater”? Houston is on record saying they will trade the #1 pick. I never said trade up and give away the farm for Manziel, although if Lovie deems him worthy, I am all in.
3) This is our best shot IMO. I do think with Lovies coaching Glennon will be good enough to get us to about 500 (maybe higher, but not good enough to win playoff games). That puts us in the teens for drafting, at best. Too low to make a deal for a stud QB in the draft.
January 15th, 2014 at 3:55 pm
What I want to see is what Glennon can do with Mike Williams, Vincent Jackson, Tim Wright (if he can bulk up this offseason to 230 or so) and Doug Martin all on the same field. If Josh Freeman and sleep in meetings and do well with them, I want to see what Glennon can do.
January 15th, 2014 at 4:19 pm
It’s OBVIOUS that Joe Bucs Fan doesn’t want Glennon around. I mean forget all of the Johnny Football love we see at every corner, but it’s articles like this that prove it. You have to say that Glennon is working every angle like he is lobbying for his job. You don’t think that maybe they contacted him with regards to the Seattle game? It seems every chance JBF can take a jab at this kid they do. Let’s try not to forget he is a ROOKIE, that for the most part had NO offseason work, thrown into a bad situation with not much talent to work with and performed admirably. Outside of the constant flack he gets from JBF and other locals he has done what? Well, he was named to the 1st Team All Rookie Team, Broke almost every QB Rookie record for the Bucs, is loved by many in NFL circles, is a smart kid who is first to the complex and last to leave, is a tall QB with a big arm and WANTS to work. Sounds like someone we need to get rid of. But why don’t we try to embrace him, surround him with some help and see if he can blossum? What a crazy idea that is. After all he is a Schiano pick right? I mean when ever a draft pick or FA works out then he was a Rock Star Dominick guy but if he doesn’t or is genrally disliked then he’s a Schiano guy right?
January 15th, 2014 at 4:56 pm
I want to win and see the Bucs rise back to respectability whoever the QB is. But honestly, after reading post after post about how awful Glennon is(which I think is an unfair criticism for a rookie), I hope he blows the doors off this thing. I’m rooting for the kid. Go Mike! Make’em eat crow!
Most of all, GO BUCS!!!
January 15th, 2014 at 5:41 pm
Unfortunately it seems more and more like people are going to have to suck it up and deal with it.
After watching coach Tedford’s presser, it seems like he likes Glennon.
I may want to draft his competition, but I do know Glennon seems like the prototypical QB for this guy’s system.
January 15th, 2014 at 8:43 pm
A BUCin Good Time Says:
January 15th, 2014 at 4:19 pm
It’s OBVIOUS that Joe Bucs Fan doesn’t want Glennon around. I mean forget all of the Johnny Football love we see at every corner, but it’s articles like this that prove it. You have to say that Glennon is working every angle like he is lobbying for his job.
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It’s obvious that you have no clue to the rules of the game. Why so serious??? Understand the rules to the game, then you’ll get why Joe’s bringin up Glennon’s approach to the game. The Joe’s play their parts well. Clicks. So well, that theyve created a website for all Glennon Mobbers to stroke each others “ego”, while the rest of the Bucs community looks forward to bigger and better at the QB position. So keep strokin each other guys… We wont judge..
January 15th, 2014 at 9:12 pm
Glennon should be lobbying for his job. He was terrible last year. If the bucs decide to not bring in competition for Glennon then I will deal with it and support him. But after watching 13 games of him last season I can honestly say I do not think Glennon is good enough to be a starting QB. Certainly not a guy that could lead a team to the playoffs. If he ever did make it to the playoffs it would be because the bucs defense and Doug Martin carried him there.
January 15th, 2014 at 10:45 pm
You know what’s a really good way to never build a strong roster? Go into every year trying to upgrade the exact same positions and never try to develop the guys that don’t look like hall of famers after one or two years.
January 15th, 2014 at 11:41 pm
Upgrayyed Says
“Bonzai, first off, just look at the difference in yards per game. With Glennon having more attempts.
Second, His TD average in 2013 is 1.46, Brees’ TD average in 2013 was 2.43. So youre already skewing numbers, or youre just bad at math. So I wont bother to verify the rest.”
Okay, I said it in the original post, but here goes again. The numbers for Brees are his final 13 games, the same number of weeks that Glennon played, the same part of the year. So looking at the stats for Brees as they are ATM will not do you any good…you actually have to do some math.
Patrick in VA & Couch Fan
As I said, I was comparing them to Brees BECAUSE BREES IS THE ONE HE HAS TO BE ABLE TO BEAT to get us to the playoffs.
In other words…he must be the best QB in the NFC South. I don’t give a rats butt if Glennon is a rookie. It doesn’t change the path to the playoffs, and that path goes thru Brees, Ryan and Newton…Brees being the top guy.
January 15th, 2014 at 11:41 pm
Unless, of course, you guys are happy NOT making the playoffs.
January 15th, 2014 at 11:46 pm
Tampabaybucfan Says
“If Glennon is as bad as they think….we’ll be drafting at 2 or 3 and the teams above us will probably have already drafted their “Franchise QB” this year!!!”
So, okay, you are completely satisfied with losing a lot of games next year? Come on, TBF, you know that would mean a new coach again. Glazers will wish to see improvement, and in order to get of of the top 3 picks, we would only be able to win 2 games.
At least be realistic.
There is no need to trade up and sacrifice picks, because someone good will fall to us. And even if it isn’t a QB, there are going to be guys released that can compete with Glennon…like a Mark Sanchez, for example.
January 15th, 2014 at 11:47 pm
gotbbucs Says
“You know what’s a really good way to never build a strong roster? Go into every year trying to upgrade the exact same positions and never try to develop the guys that don’t look like hall of famers after one or two years.”
You know a really good way to miss the playoffs for the next 5 years? Rely on a 3rd round quarterback “maybe” developing into a good starter.
January 16th, 2014 at 12:35 am
He doesn’t have to beat any of the QB’s in the NFC South to get into the playoffs lol.
He has to beat the teams on our schedule and the Saint’s, Panthers, and Falcons defense twice.
Comparing their stats is just illogical lol. There have been plenty of Super Bowl champs that weren’t the best QB’s in their division.
I want another QB to come in and compete with Glennon, hell I want us to trade up for one but that whole argument is Bush league.
January 16th, 2014 at 3:13 am
Bond’s Eye:
“Okay, I said it in the original post, but here goes again. The numbers for Brees are his final 13 games, the same number of weeks that Glennon played, the same part of the year. So looking at the stats for Brees as they are ATM will not do you any good…you actually have to do some math.”
If you want to fully evaluate someone, why the shit arent you taking in their entire body of work? Breese played a full season, Glennon played 13/16th of a season. So instead of nitpicking which games to include and which games to omit, JUDGE THEM PER GAME. And THAT will be the TRUTH… You number skewing mot – …..
January 16th, 2014 at 8:39 am
To everyone citing stats, third-down conversion percentage, the fact that he checked down instead of taking the riskier play, the fact that Glennon didn’t do anything in the second half, etc.:
Why don’t you go back and listen to the new OC and noted QB Guru Jeff Tedford and pay attention to where he says, “WE DON’T KNOW WHAT HE WAS ASKED TO DO LAST YEAR”. I’m so over everyone talking about what Glennon did or didn’t do last season when no one has any knowledge of what Schiano and Sully asked of him.
We all agree that Sully’s schemes were horrible; that Schiano was overly conservative (especially in the second half where he admitted numerous times that they were just trying to be careful and not turn the ball over); that there were far more injuries and players coming back from injuries than most teams deal with in a season, especially on the offense; that Glennon had zero help anywhere around him; and that he was a rookie who got thrown into the fire in the middle of a coach vs QB MRSA-filled mess. Yet, after agreeing on all of these things, people treat Glennon like he should have told the coaching staff to f off and turned the group of nobodies around him into all-pros and won us 10 games.
No one is saying Glennon was great this season. All the supposed MGM are saying is that this season should be looked at as experience for Glennon, and he should be given a chance to compete for the starting job next season without being treated like the problem on a team full of holes. There is obviously no changing some people’s minds, and they will scream that the season is doomed if Glennon is the starter this year; but how about everyone trusts the new coaches that we’ve all agreed are much better equipped to handle this team to make the decision, and we support them fully after that? It’s a lot to ask, I know.
January 16th, 2014 at 9:11 am
Glennon is going to start no doubt, sorry freemanites.
January 16th, 2014 at 12:57 pm
Get ’em mvermulm! Well said, I cannot add to that.
January 16th, 2014 at 1:02 pm
Actually, I can:
I’m so sick of these naysayers that I’ve actually found myself rooting for the kid. What some don’t understand is that there are absolutely NO guarantees that another rookie(1st round or not) or even another veteran will do any better. Just shut up and wait till it unfolds. We’ll know soon enough.
I want the Bucs to win. PERIOD! It really doesn’t matter who’s at the helm.
January 19th, 2014 at 3:20 am
Lovie will draft defense. Glennon starts. Case closed…..for now.