John Idzik Stonewalling Trade Talks With Bucs
April 8th, 2013
Yes, Bucs fans who want Jets cornerback Darrelle Revis on the Bucs roster aren’t tied up in what the compensation will be and, in fact, want Revis in Tampa Bay now!
Those fans will have to find a hobby in the coming days, as Jets general manager John Idzik is in no hurry whatsoever to consummate a deal with the Bucs. That’s the information dropped by Jets beat writer Conor Orr, who types for The Star-Ledger located in the Garden State.
Orr was a guest on the dreadful NFL AM show on NFL Network, a show that to the bewilderment of Joe, spends more time talking about how NFL players dance than how NFL players, you know, play football!
(Column intermission: Please, powers that be at the NFL Network, will you just STOP IT with this fetish for dancing! We, red-blooded football fans of America, turn to your beautiful network to gain information about our beloved sport and could not care less how an NFL player dances, nor do we give two rats’ arses about his touchdown celebrations. Only the E! Network, MTV and Entertainment Tonight types are interested in this schlock because they, kind sirs, are not football fans. In the immortal words of Chucky, knock it off! If the only way to keep Nicole Zaloumis’ attention is to waste hours and massive amounts of electricity a day on this subject, then Joe dares to suggest it is time to get a new co-host, specifically promote Molly Qerim to the gig. At least she’s a football chick — in addition to being dropdead gorgeous.)
Mark Kriegel: Conor, what are the Jets holding out for? Is it really a matter of this year’s first round pick [from the Bucs]?
Conor Orr: It could be. I definitely know Idzik wants compensation in this year’s draft and it seems Tampa Bay is kind of pushing things towards 2014 just because they have a really high 2013 pick. I think that is what [Idzik] is waiting for but at the end of the day, it is how he does business. He is very slow. He is very pragmatic. At the end of the day this is the biggest decision he will ever have to make as the Jets general manager. So he is trying as hard as he can to get the best compensation to maybe even [delay] some time in order to pull out another suitor. Apparently that is why this process is taking so long.
This is why Joe believes Bucs rock star general manager Mark Dominik has all the cards. If the Jets don’t trade Revis by the trade deadline of the 2013 season, he walks out on his contract. By the time August rolls around, teams will have their salaries budgeted. Teams aren’t going to be able to just find $12-15 million in cap space like the Bucs have to make room for Revis starting in 2014.
And if the Bucs draft two corners in the first three rounds, Idzik is totally boxed in by Dominik.
April 8th, 2013 at 1:46 pm
If I were Rock Star, I would start offering less each week for Revis. We are only bidding against ourselves.
April 8th, 2013 at 1:47 pm
Idzik has the “card”- Revis.
We have 25 million in cap space, and a crappy roster of Cornerbacks.
This deal needs to get done, period.
No excuse for not being more active in Free Agency for a Cornerback, unless you plan to get Revis.
Letting Biggers walk, couple that with Ronde possibly retiring, it is time for Dominick to make a statement. His statement is false promises and 24-40 so far. Either win now, or get out of the way.
April 8th, 2013 at 1:50 pm
@SteveK,
Can you come up with nothing else? You find a way to complain about the same exact things on every post. Would love to read something original.
April 8th, 2013 at 1:55 pm
People bashed MD and thebFront Office all year and most of this off sesson for over paying for Wright. Now those same people are crying because Mark D isn’t making the same mistake. There was no CB on the market that would have been worth the trouble.
L Johnson for a rookie did well and will only get better. Wright played well when healthy. Why just signed some player that’s no better than what you got just say you signed somebody.
April 8th, 2013 at 2:00 pm
When the bucs don’t make the playoffs again this year, We will see how all these cards the Dominick is holding works for him when he gets fired.
April 8th, 2013 at 2:06 pm
Joe agree with 1000% about NFL am and their ridiculous fetish with dancing. It’s ridiculous!!
April 8th, 2013 at 2:16 pm
@vern4499
Amen!
April 8th, 2013 at 2:20 pm
vernon,
Joe has had 5 posts today – 4 about Darrelle Revis and Mark Dominik. If the stories are the same, the posts will be the same. You and your goobersmoocher friends will slobber all over Dominik and how he’s handled the Bucs over the past 4 years, and those of us who aren’t happy with the mediocrity he has led this franchise to will complain about him.
April 8th, 2013 at 2:21 pm
Idzik, knows the Bucs are desperate for CB’s have the worst Secondary in the league and may not have a chance to draft the best CB in this draft. So he’s holding out for as much as he can. There’s also the fact that Dom has failed to improve the CB’s on the Bucs. Yeah, Goldson was a nice add. Butt Safety’s typically don’t cover WR’s and he was part of a 49ers secondary that Flacco lit up. Bucs face 3 top flight passing attacks in their own division. Dom, is desperate for corners or he will be out of a job. So don’t believe Joe when he says Dom holds all the cards.
April 8th, 2013 at 2:31 pm
Dom may not hold all the cards, but he’s in a better position the Idzik. The Bucs are the only path for the Jets to get compensation for Revis. There may be a split among Jets fans of what is acceptable compensation for Revis, but I cannot imagine there being too many of those fans who would be ok with getting nothing and having Revis walk after next year. From what I’ve seen on these boards and even on local radio is the split among Bucs fans is whether or not to even get Revis.
So Dom is going to take PR hit no matter what he does, but nothing compared to what Idzik would take if they don’t move Revis at all. Granted winning would make either teams fans forget the moves they don’t like.
Point being that since there’s more pressure on Idzik to move Revis than for Dom to trade for Revis, that does give Dom a little more leverage.
April 8th, 2013 at 2:32 pm
People need to get used to the idea that Wright will be our other starter. We are currently looking for a starter opposite him and depth. If we get Revis, he will be the opposite starter. If it doesn’t happen, look for a rookie to start. Either way, our CB’s will be improved from a year ago. It wasn’t so bad with Wright starting. When he was out, things got way out of hand. I wouldn’t mind him being a starter if he really is healed and wants to contribute.
April 8th, 2013 at 2:37 pm
At this point I say screw the Jets…resign Wright to half what he made last year, draft a couple of young DB’s this year (There will also probably be a few DB’s available after the draft when they get cut prior to training camp) and then pick up Revis next year for nothing as a FA!
April 8th, 2013 at 2:37 pm
TBuC it’s not difficult to trade up for Millner resign barber and wait for Revis next year. Believe me Dom holds the cards And he gets more rest than Idzik.
We can live with a new DT second round CB and a signing of a FA.
April 8th, 2013 at 2:38 pm
Personally, I would say next year’s 1st, this years 3rd and 6th will be on the table until the draft starts. Once the draft starts, the offer becomes next year’s 2nd and 5th, as we’ll be moving forward assuming he will not becoming to Tampa, and draft accordingly. Once we have the additions thru the draft, the demand for Revis is reduced (may still want to bring him, but shouldn’t feel like the sky is falling if we don’t).
As long as no other team steps up to the table, the Jets are forcing a reduced demand for Revis (from their perspective) by waiting to deal him after the draft.
April 8th, 2013 at 2:38 pm
@Stevenk you are clueless as always.The addition of Goldson,Return of Wright and possible move of Ronde back to corner alreadyake our secondary much more stout.Go back and listen to Ronde interview.We changed our Defense secondary back to a better suited scheme against atlanta and wouldnt you know it,We played balls out !! That sad excuse for a Db coach is gone and we have alot of real potential with LJ,Gaitor,Gorer .Add in just 1 descent Cb in draft like taylor,Ryan,amerson,Trufant etc and we are just fine.Add Revis and we are down right scary.Our cupboard is far from empty and any clear thinking Buc fan should see Domenick is doing a great job so STFU and let him work his magic.He earned that with last years draft and with the Stud Free agents he aquited over the last 2 years.For fU$& sake!!!!
April 8th, 2013 at 2:38 pm
Hey Vern 4499- how about reading that the Bucs had a damn winning season, or made the Playoffs!!
How about you” happy to be losers” guys post something new? Listening to you kiss Dims butt is pretty boring for the intelligent fans.
Go brag about your 24-40 record elsewhere.
Pathetic!
April 8th, 2013 at 2:44 pm
North end- Christ! Wright and the other corners”with potential” are the guys who were the worst Secondary/ pass defense in Buc history!!!
Potential?? Are you nuts. NFl network said , that if you listed the 6 worst CBs in the NFL- they would all be buccaneers!
Do you get it? There is no talent there. No potential. Only the worst CBs in the NFl. Stop being delusional.
April 8th, 2013 at 2:49 pm
That 24-40 record would have gotten many General Managers fired, long ago.
I think Idzik knows the pressure is on Dominik, to win now, or he is gone next year.
Just the addition of a healthy Revis, almost guarantee’s a winning season, to save Dominik’s job!
Idzik knows if he is patient, the “Rockstar with a 24-40 record” may cave in, and give the Jets what they want.
A wounded animal is dangerous, as is a 24-40 Rockstar, about to lose his job, if he does not win this year!
April 8th, 2013 at 2:50 pm
Dom just needs to approach this as Revis is a Luxury item (and costs like one too). It would be great to get him and hopefully he is healthy but he can still do his best with the Draft. It may take longer than having Revis but it saves a truckload of money and he can still fill the needs.
I’m really indifferent to this situation. It will be great if they get him for less value picks, but I don’t want to give up any picks, so whatever. bring on the Draft, and pass me a beer, sir.
April 8th, 2013 at 2:50 pm
Honestly, I’d rather have next years #1 pick than this years. Not much of a difference in talent between our 1st and 2nd this year.
April 8th, 2013 at 2:52 pm
@Vern4499
LOL.
April 8th, 2013 at 2:53 pm
yeah – that dancing crap has to end.
and MD holds the cards. We CAN walk away from this… draft some corners and change the scheme. Proven ability based on the 2nd Atlanta game.
April 8th, 2013 at 2:59 pm
Northend, DjoshFreeman, and Vern4499,
Do you all have the expectation of playoffs for the Bucs in 2013? I do.
My money is not on the current set of CBs to get the job done, in fact we are worse at CB then we were last year, as we lost 2012’s most productive Buc CB- EJ Biggers.
24-40, 3 pro bowls, zero playoffs, worst secondary in the NFL by a wide margin, and mix in some uninspiring signings/extensions/draft picks…
It is what it is, folks. We have been a bottom feeder of the NFL for a while now. When is Dominick responsible for “wrighting” the ship?
April 8th, 2013 at 3:03 pm
I guess I am not a “true” Buc Fan because I don’t embrace mediocrity? I guess “half-a$$ing” it in the front office and salary cap is all part of the grand old “plan”?
Does the plan involve leaving the “rebuilding” phase anytime soon. If not, no worries, the fans deserve to know that EVERY effort and resource is being BEST utilized to give us playoffs.
If we don’t make playoffs (again under Dom), then what? It will be ok, because of “misscommunications”, just like Freeman? When is it NOT OK to continue losing?
Are we there yet?
April 8th, 2013 at 3:05 pm
I still dont get why the need to get Revis this year. The Bucs are not 1 player away from contending. We’re going to end up taking a young corner who will need time to develop anyway. If the Bucs are willing to pay top dollar to Revis, then sign him to a long term deal next year after he’s played a season on his surgically repaired knee. Then we’d still have all of our top picks, and know how well he’s recovered. We need those picks. This team needs depth in the worst way.
April 8th, 2013 at 3:05 pm
That week 17 defense still gave up almost 250 yards. It’s not like that pass defense was shutting down the Atl offense. Bucs need impact players, Dom is desperate.
April 8th, 2013 at 3:07 pm
I find it funny how some posters use two or more names to post under so they will have someone agree with what they have to say.
I also believe that Domonic is playing poker with the cards that the Glazers have dealt him. In other words, the Glazers are dictating every move regarding Revis. Personally, I wish Domonic would tell Zidzak all deals were off and then wait on him to slither back with someting very reasonable. It’s time to call the Jets bluff.
April 8th, 2013 at 3:20 pm
@ Vic66 – “I find it funny how some posters use two or more names to post under so they will have someone agree with what they have to say.”
That is one of the funnest but yet true comments I have read.
I could not agree with you anymore. Start retracting the offer! GO BUCS…
April 8th, 2013 at 3:21 pm
Can someone give me a viable scenario where we can trade up and get Millner?
April 8th, 2013 at 3:21 pm
is it outrageous to think that idzik think’s he can control the out come of this because he worked for the BUCS from 93-2001 and pratically groomed dominik, even though dominik has been a GM longer, he still may know how the glazer family and even dom’s business tendencies. Not to mention he left or was replaced right before the bucs only Super Bowl…just spec. But the process has been drawn out so long I think it’s worth considering.
April 8th, 2013 at 3:22 pm
They post on here has became very defensive. Even though I do not completely agree with what most of the things Stevek says the one thing we can agree on is that we want this team to win. I respect everyone’s opinion and try to criticize their beliefs in this team, because when it all boils down to you wouldn’t be rooting for or complaining about this team if you weren’t a fan.
If it was the randoms guy that just pops up and say the bucs suck, without anything input on helping the situation. Then yes I will criticize him and tell him find another team.
April 8th, 2013 at 3:40 pm
The Jets are looking at trading their best player. Idzik doesn’t want to mess this up. The Jets know Revis will be gone next year, otherwise they would’ve resigned him by now. They don’t have much leverage considering their situation and they only have one willing and able trade partner (further decreasing their leverage). I think the Jets are biding time hoping for another interested team to make an offer so they put the pressure back on Dominik. If a deal happens, it will probably be the week of the draft. I would prefer Dominik give Idzik an ultimatum with their best and final offer and be completely willing to walk away if it’s not accepted. A healthy Revis is a major upgrade, but not worth all the compensation and potential headaches when/if he thinks his contract should be ripped up and replaced with another one in two years.
April 8th, 2013 at 3:52 pm
don’t try to criticize*
April 8th, 2013 at 3:52 pm
@Capt Tim…Are you the same Capt Tim that used to write like a pirate speaks and threaten to have people walk the plank? If so, go back to whatwever made you such a happy go lucky guy…you were more fun to read.
April 8th, 2013 at 3:54 pm
@ Vicc66
people actually do that? wow, that pretty pathetic and low by any standards.
April 8th, 2013 at 4:15 pm
I think the jets want our first and second for Revis and the jets 3rd round pick.
April 8th, 2013 at 4:24 pm
@lightningbuc,
First thing I don’t know what a goober smooched is? Please enlighten me oh wise one. Second the post have not been exactly the same. Therefore there is no need to copy and paste from post to post. It gets redundent. But obviously some people can’t come up with different points and people like you just write what you heard on sports talk radio or read on line. But me and my friends are the goobersmochers as you say.
April 8th, 2013 at 4:27 pm
I think the Bucs are guarenteed to get either Millner (not likely), Trufaunt (more likely), or X Rhodes (more likely) with pick #13.
No way will 3 CBs be taken ahead of the Buc’s 13th pick.
Therefore, use that pick on one of those guys. Then on day 3, trade for Revis with next year’s 1st round draft pick.
Maybe trade around some picks this year during the draft to gain some for next year… and then use those as trade bait.
April 8th, 2013 at 5:03 pm
Vern4499,
I believe Captain Tim was trying to say,”goober smooched” means, “complacent, apologetic, not a competitive fanship”.
I am a Buc fan, and I saw some damn good football in 1999-2006 or so.
Dominick has been “rebuilding” since he took the post 4 years ago. Are you ok with “rebuilding” for two more years?
Do you expect a meaningful 16 game schedule for the Bucs?
Why do you defend 24-40, 3 pro bowls in 4 years, trading up to draft Freeman (could be out of a job next year), and most recently sitting on 25 million in cap space and not addressing 1 FA CB?
I like your outlook, but just because someone has a different opinion than you doesn’t make them “clueless”. In fact, it shows your “mental midgetry
April 8th, 2013 at 5:06 pm
Vern4499,
I believe Captain Tim was trying to say,”goober smooched” means, “complacent, apologetic, not a competitive fanship”.
I am a Buc fan, and I saw some damn good football in 1999-2006 or so.
Dominick has been “rebuilding” since he took the post 4 years ago. Are you ok with “rebuilding” for two more years?
Do you expect a meaningful 16 game schedule for the Bucs?
Why do you defend 24-40, 3 pro bowls in 4 years, trading up to draft Freeman (could be out of a job next year), and most recently sitting on 25 million in cap space and not addressing 1 FA CB?
I like your outlook, but just because someone has a different opinion than you doesn’t make them “clueless”. In fact, it shows your “mental midgetry” towards accepting any view other than your direct line of sight. It detracts from your: thoughts, beliefs, and any other view you present.
April 8th, 2013 at 5:14 pm
Joe, omg, Molly might just beat out your Rachel Watson, that Molly is freaking HOT!!
April 8th, 2013 at 5:20 pm
Brad:
Joe’s geeked that we can finally agree on something! 🙂
Thanks.
April 8th, 2013 at 5:34 pm
@stevek
I didn’t defend Dom. I want the Bucs to win every year. I know he has had four years. I do t believe he was able to pick his first coach and that to me is huge. I dot believe he was able to spend the money he wanted to. Plus we were in cap hell with old players when Dom took over. Since he hired Schiano which I believe was the right hire I like what they have done. Now did I want them to get a free agent CB this offseason? Yes I did. But they obviously didn’t like what was out there. They have shown they are willing to pay for guys they like that are top players. I hope and expect playoffs this year. They must have a plan. I wish I knew exactly what it was but they forgot to call me and let me know what it is.
As for difference of opinion I am all for it. That’s what makes blogs and post fun. But you can’t tell Me you havent worn this out. I will save how I feel abour the entire roster for when it is completed. Week 1.